Somewhat off topic, but this such a scare-word. Why exactly would a non-proprietary chemical be better? What makes it proprietary, and how do you know its proprietary?
Maybe we should start using FOS fracking chemicals?
the answer would still be to tear down the reactor today and replace it with a more modern one.
At any particular time with any sort of thing that gets better over time, you can make the argument that its better to ditch what you have and invest in the new tech. Ie, getting a new car for the better milage. But obviously at some point you have to sit on what you have in order for it to be economical-- you cannot save money by buying a new car every year for the lower gas and maintenance costs, because the sunk investment kills you.
Parent and a good number of people in this thread have not the knowledge to make any such points. Generally it is best not to argue points if one is completely ignorant of them.
Christian Bible was in fact penned by the nobility at the council of Nicaea which was assembled by the Roman Emperor Constantine.
More ignorance, will wonders never cease. The council of Nicea simply affirmed a list of books that were already in use. You can see this if you did the slightest research, such as looking in Eusebius' church history where he clearly refers to a canon. The Old Testament certainly has never been in question; for 2000 years we have used the same OT. The NT has varied depending on denomination, with the Roman Catholic church pulling in some apocrypha (which as I recall was not referenced by Eusebius), but even that variance has been minor.
Constantine was not the first ruler to write religious texts
All of the texts in the New Testament are first century. That would be quite some feat for Constantine to author them.
Constantine have re-written the bible
Gosh, its a shame we dont have original manuscripts. Oh wait, we do.
That is not, to my knowledge, true. They DID kill people who refused to demonstrate that they were not christian by performing incense offerings, but that was only sporadic, and as I recall simply affirming that you were not christian was sufficient-- the offering was just the most convenient way to be sure, as they understood christians to be particularly stubborn regarding sacrifices to other Gods.
The irony is that the "religious sacrifices" you speak of were pretty darn secular, and were often enough offerings to the emperor himself. I mean, you dont suppose the Jews were made to make those sacrifices, do you?
Also, Rome went through several periods; there were no despots during the Roman Republic, hence the name. You seem to be referring to the roman empire. Apparently, GP isnt the only one whose history needs some work.
A 2000+ year old book (older, in some cases) fraudulently constructed by ignorant, illiterate peasant halfwits from a time before justice and democracy
Youre knowledge of history is truly astounding. Do tell, when do you suppose the Roman Republic existed? Or the democratic Greek city-states?
The US is turning into what all governments eventually turn into; anyone who is shocked about the direction understands neither human nature nor history.
Thats actually a large part of the reason I take the conservative "limit government as much as possible" stance. It surprises me continually that people will vote for an increase in government size and then act shocked when that power is abused; does one suppose that only large businesses abuse power given too freely?
Its hillarious that you got modded +5 for a statement that is, according to all subsequent comments, horribly off base: apparently this facility has long been in use, well before the terms of the current slate of senators.
Then the kernel guys and everyone else that is handy can pitch in to fix sudo if they want but that could be a bit hard for them since sudo has nothing at all to do with the kernel.If you put as much effort into learning about the thing you are attempting to make fun of
I understood it perfectly. If there is a privilege escalation bug in the kernel, a program may use that to avoid having to call sudo. That is something that would be patched at the kernel level, as that is where privilege escalation bugs tend to reside.
Would Linus' statement that I quoted be best understood to refer just to the ABI / API? Because my issue with it is that it seems to be far more broad.
Security bugs are most likely handled differently, I do not know.
No. Thats the other part of Linus' attitude which I find ridiculous-- he has repeatedly stated that "security bugs are just bugs-- we dont treat them specially".
Combine that with the statement I quoted above, and you begin to see why I find his attitude absurd.
No, it means I have some idea, but Im not an expert. I have been an IT guy for close to a decade, I understand avoiding breakage, but I also understand that breakage is an expected reality when you upgrade. This is why you dont log into a random linux box and do apt-get upgrade; you can expect that upgrading java or perl or python or anything else has a decent chance of breaking something, even when it shouldnt. We're not even at the stage where Linus' dream is a reality: upgrading your kernel is one of the SUREST ways to break stuff-- at least it has been in the past.
Basically, I dont have the dev perspective, but I do have the end-user and the IT perspectives down pretty good.
Do not change API internals.... SO MAKE A NEW SYSCALL THAT RETURNS CORRECT!
If Linus had said that, I would have been on board, hence my "supported API" comment. But he didnt-- he said if a change you make to the kernel breaks any user application, ever, it is a kernel bug-- and I find that to be absurd for the reasons I mentioned.
In this particular case (which I recall reading about when it happened), Linus was right to chew the guy out. Im not disputing that. Its the statement he made (quoted above) that I never understood.
But above all, do not break userland with kernel changes. Ever.
So in the Windows XP-every-dev-is-assuming-administrator-rights scenario, where devs are being retards and requiring rights they dont need or failing to actually check for their needed rights, how do you proceed? Say "screw security, we're stuck with this forever"? What about in that "app relies on security hole" problem (which has definately been an issue with eg Java JRE before)? Just leave it unpatched for the sake of this golden rule?
Whens the last time you actually looked at what a degree costs? Because you really seem to have no idea. In-state tuition tends to be pretty much in line with what GP posted as the norm in australia. Its only when you go to ridiculously high end schools out of state (for cripes sake UVa in-state tuition is ~$12k / year) that you get into trouble.
But dont let me interrupt your rant about things that arent actually a problem. Clearly, we can ignore the fact that more Americans than ever have an undergrad. Clearly, its a problem that only the federal government can solve (wasnt that in article 11 of the constitution?).
What I simply don't understand is why US universities are so expensive.
Theyre not.
Over here, a degree (not counting the really expensive ones like medicine) costs $15-30k and a masters $20-37k.
Same here.
Well, until someone decides that they want to go out of state, to a really expensive school, and then complain about debt, sure. For the record, I live in Va, and I can go to any of the following schools for ~$400/credit:
WIlliam and Mary
Va Tech
U.Va
GMU
JMU
I can also complete the first two years of undergrad for ~$100/credit at Va's community college system, and transfer into any of those. As I work it out, youre looking at ~$20k for your undergrad from fairly terrific schools ( I hear that UVA is considered "decent"....).
The "Why" is that sometimes people decide its a good idea to go to a university that they cant afford for a degree in an unmarketable field, and then complain that theyve dug themselves into a hole.
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Somewhat off topic, but this such a scare-word. Why exactly would a non-proprietary chemical be better? What makes it proprietary, and how do you know its proprietary?
Maybe we should start using FOS fracking chemicals?
the answer would still be to tear down the reactor today and replace it with a more modern one.
At any particular time with any sort of thing that gets better over time, you can make the argument that its better to ditch what you have and invest in the new tech. Ie, getting a new car for the better milage. But obviously at some point you have to sit on what you have in order for it to be economical-- you cannot save money by buying a new car every year for the lower gas and maintenance costs, because the sunk investment kills you.
Im sort of surprised, I had understood nuclear to be cheaper once the initial investment had been sunk.
Anyone know how easy it is to revive a plant like this later if the market changes?
America let it's prisoners vote?
No
Illegal immigrants?
Well, elections are for nationals, so no, but that may change. That Im aware of, NO country lets non-citizens vote.
Parent and a good number of people in this thread have not the knowledge to make any such points. Generally it is best not to argue points if one is completely ignorant of them.
Christian Bible was in fact penned by the nobility at the council of Nicaea which was assembled by the Roman Emperor Constantine.
More ignorance, will wonders never cease. The council of Nicea simply affirmed a list of books that were already in use. You can see this if you did the slightest research, such as looking in Eusebius' church history where he clearly refers to a canon. The Old Testament certainly has never been in question; for 2000 years we have used the same OT. The NT has varied depending on denomination, with the Roman Catholic church pulling in some apocrypha (which as I recall was not referenced by Eusebius), but even that variance has been minor.
Constantine was not the first ruler to write religious texts
All of the texts in the New Testament are first century. That would be quite some feat for Constantine to author them.
Constantine have re-written the bible
Gosh, its a shame we dont have original manuscripts. Oh wait, we do.
Must have been nice being Saul of Tarsus and all, giving up a cushy life to die for a metaphor.
That is not, to my knowledge, true. They DID kill people who refused to demonstrate that they were not christian by performing incense offerings, but that was only sporadic, and as I recall simply affirming that you were not christian was sufficient-- the offering was just the most convenient way to be sure, as they understood christians to be particularly stubborn regarding sacrifices to other Gods.
The irony is that the "religious sacrifices" you speak of were pretty darn secular, and were often enough offerings to the emperor himself. I mean, you dont suppose the Jews were made to make those sacrifices, do you?
Also, Rome went through several periods; there were no despots during the Roman Republic, hence the name. You seem to be referring to the roman empire. Apparently, GP isnt the only one whose history needs some work.
A 2000+ year old book (older, in some cases) fraudulently constructed by ignorant, illiterate peasant halfwits from a time before justice and democracy
Youre knowledge of history is truly astounding. Do tell, when do you suppose the Roman Republic existed? Or the democratic Greek city-states?
The US is turning into what all governments eventually turn into; anyone who is shocked about the direction understands neither human nature nor history.
Thats one of the reasons, when someone says "but maybe the [1st | 2nd | 4th | 5th] amendments are outdated and need repealing", you have to stand firm.
Thats actually a large part of the reason I take the conservative "limit government as much as possible" stance. It surprises me continually that people will vote for an increase in government size and then act shocked when that power is abused; does one suppose that only large businesses abuse power given too freely?
However, that isn't how the unwashed masses
Careful, your contempt is showing.
Someone discovered the "undo close tab" shortcut thats only been around since Firefox's 1.5 days. Congrats, guys! Welcome to the internet!
Its hillarious that you got modded +5 for a statement that is, according to all subsequent comments, horribly off base: apparently this facility has long been in use, well before the terms of the current slate of senators.
Now add cooling, power, generators, physical security, a SAN, a virtualization platform, and multiple failover sites.
Sure they do, and they used "their say" to sign a contract.
Luckily we live in a society where contracts are taken seriously.
Then the kernel guys and everyone else that is handy can pitch in to fix sudo if they want but that could be a bit hard for them since sudo has nothing at all to do with the kernel.If you put as much effort into learning about the thing you are attempting to make fun of
I understood it perfectly. If there is a privilege escalation bug in the kernel, a program may use that to avoid having to call sudo. That is something that would be patched at the kernel level, as that is where privilege escalation bugs tend to reside.
Would Linus' statement that I quoted be best understood to refer just to the ABI / API? Because my issue with it is that it seems to be far more broad.
Minor version changes shouldn't expect any software compatibility breaks.
Except that every sysadmin, ever, expects compatibility breakage on ANY kernel upgrade.
Security bugs are most likely handled differently, I do not know.
No. Thats the other part of Linus' attitude which I find ridiculous-- he has repeatedly stated that "security bugs are just bugs-- we dont treat them specially".
Combine that with the statement I quoted above, and you begin to see why I find his attitude absurd.
So you don't know what you are talking about.
No, it means I have some idea, but Im not an expert. I have been an IT guy for close to a decade, I understand avoiding breakage, but I also understand that breakage is an expected reality when you upgrade. This is why you dont log into a random linux box and do apt-get upgrade; you can expect that upgrading java or perl or python or anything else has a decent chance of breaking something, even when it shouldnt. We're not even at the stage where Linus' dream is a reality: upgrading your kernel is one of the SUREST ways to break stuff-- at least it has been in the past.
Basically, I dont have the dev perspective, but I do have the end-user and the IT perspectives down pretty good.
Do not change API internals.... SO MAKE A NEW SYSCALL THAT RETURNS CORRECT!
If Linus had said that, I would have been on board, hence my "supported API" comment. But he didnt-- he said if a change you make to the kernel breaks any user application, ever, it is a kernel bug-- and I find that to be absurd for the reasons I mentioned.
In this particular case (which I recall reading about when it happened), Linus was right to chew the guy out. Im not disputing that. Its the statement he made (quoted above) that I never understood.
But above all, do not break userland with kernel changes. Ever.
So in the Windows XP-every-dev-is-assuming-administrator-rights scenario, where devs are being retards and requiring rights they dont need or failing to actually check for their needed rights, how do you proceed? Say "screw security, we're stuck with this forever"? What about in that "app relies on security hole" problem (which has definately been an issue with eg Java JRE before)? Just leave it unpatched for the sake of this golden rule?
The percentage of the population with an undergrad has steadily increased over the last 70 years. It is currently at an all time high.
It used to be that they simply could not charge that much, because the average person simply could not afford to pay.
And yet we have more college grads than ever, and loads of folks coming from overseas to go to US universities.
The same thing happened for Cars... It used to be that you could by a Model-T for pretty cheap money but you paid all up front.
And yet a vastly higher percentage of Americans now own cars than when the Model-T was around.
Somehow, your claims dont add up.
Speaking of history, are you aware that undergrad degrees are at an all time high in the US?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Educational_Attainment_in_the_United_States_2009.png
Looks like theres more than enough ignorance to go around in this topic.
but you ignore massive amounts of evidence that this pure free market capitalism
Also, we dont have "pure, free capitalism", and very few people actually want one.
Just for one example, it was the deregulation of the housing and mortgage industry that allowed "free market" to destroy the economy in 2008.
Wasnt there some pressure on Fannie Mae to give out a bunch of risky mortgage loans?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae#1990s
Seems to me that played a role, and I dont think you would call that a result of deregulation.
Whens the last time you actually looked at what a degree costs? Because you really seem to have no idea. In-state tuition tends to be pretty much in line with what GP posted as the norm in australia. Its only when you go to ridiculously high end schools out of state (for cripes sake UVa in-state tuition is ~$12k / year) that you get into trouble.
But dont let me interrupt your rant about things that arent actually a problem. Clearly, we can ignore the fact that more Americans than ever have an undergrad. Clearly, its a problem that only the federal government can solve (wasnt that in article 11 of the constitution?).
What I simply don't understand is why US universities are so expensive.
Theyre not.
Over here, a degree (not counting the really expensive ones like medicine) costs $15-30k and a masters $20-37k.
Same here.
Well, until someone decides that they want to go out of state, to a really expensive school, and then complain about debt, sure. For the record, I live in Va, and I can go to any of the following schools for ~$400 /credit:
I can also complete the first two years of undergrad for ~$100/credit at Va's community college system, and transfer into any of those. As I work it out, youre looking at ~$20k for your undergrad from fairly terrific schools ( I hear that UVA is considered "decent"....).
The "Why" is that sometimes people decide its a good idea to go to a university that they cant afford for a degree in an unmarketable field, and then complain that theyve dug themselves into a hole.