They will ask you to leave, and if it escalates, I imagine they call the manager, who may in turn call whatever kind of security they have / the police if you continue to resist. Its not complicated, and probably not much different than if you made a scene.
This is much like if a restaurant wants to enforce a dress code; they are perfectly free to kick you out if you do not conform to it. I dont get why this is a story.
Yes, well, Im sure a Japanese net manufacturer knows nothing about nets, and the Japanese space agency knows nothing about space, and this entire thing will fail.
Being an employer does not give you the right to suspend the constitution.
The constitution mostly deals with federal "cans" and "can nots"-- and as its purpose is to lay out the structure of the government, not grant rights, I think you are rather referring to the Bill of Rights-- which is ALSO not directed at corporations so much. The first amendment, which is so often trotted out, declares "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW", not "Corporate policy shall not encompass...".
We are citizens, not slaves
Then quit, or let yourself get fired and find another job! If you were slaves, you wouldnt have that option. Heck, in a third world country you might not have that option. Here in the US, you even get unemployment benefits to help with the period between jobs. Enough with the exaggeration, comparison to slaveery is disingenuous and likely insulting to those in far worse situations more akin to slavery across the globe.
People in the middle east are dieing right now in order to have the right to freely express themselves
Not in private corporations, however. What you seem to be proposing is that a company be forced to employ someone, even if he is openly disparaging of their product in a way that harms sales-- should a Coke employee be able to go onto a news station and abuse Coke products? I see no reason why an employee that becomes such a burden should be offered further employ by that company.
At the end of the day, employment is a contract between two people. If the terms include "you may not go onto nightline and trash our product", or "you must wear a pink tie on tuesdays", guess what-- you have 2 options. Accept the terms, or walk out the door. If the company violates the terms, well, thats already illegal. If you want some kind of employment guarentees, go to a "right to work" state-- they do exist.
Your general point is taken, but the hyperbole is a little excessive. I havent heard of a job where you can go to your boss and declare "you now owe me this much".
Pretty bold statement, but it is true. Take AGW for example, it is taught as 'settled science, the Truth which must not be questioned.' But if it is science it should be falsifiable and it isn't
I might be mistaken, but part of the bill seemed directed at allowing teachers to dissent on AGW as well.
These damaged children should be able to hold their parents criminally liable.
... for trusting research that was just recently, conclusively shown to be falsified? Yes, great plan, throw blame at the parents for not being qualified to debunk the research, or for being subject to the (all too human) flaw of trusting information ("X causes Y") more than dis-information ("the old research was flawed").
Hey, is it possible to dislike the tactics of Microsoft without having to take potshots at everything Gates does? Is it possible that (GASP) he actually is onboard the "saving children's lives with vaccines" train?
I mean geez its like you cant dislike one aspect of anything on slashdot; no, you have to hate everything it has ever been involved with! Microsoft is litigous, anticompetitive, and anti-oss? That means Balmer must beat his wife! Gates must hate babies!
Grow up, kids. Im sure theres some PR here, but dont kid yourself that theres nothing redeeming about Gates as a person.
All those security concerns and yet you still: A) Run the completely unvetted (and by their own admission, modified) SRWare Iron -->Which lacks autoupdate -->Which you for some reason trust more than googles official version, or the Chromium nightlies (despite this exploit, lol?) -->not to mention that you cant exactly get the source code to SRWare, can you? B) Use hosts files as some kind of attempt at security C) (based on remark about promiscuity) believe that the websites you visit has anything to do with your level of securrity?
I used to be on the SRWare bandwagon, but the idea that I should for some reason trust this no-name company for no other reason than that they claimed to do "optimizations", use the latest webkit, and strip out googles spyware from the software-- all without access to their source-- and that whats more, I should trust their software more than the completely open Chromium.... yea, kind of hard to justify.
No, its not. The operating system is "OSX". The version is 10.4.2. That doesnt mean "tenth version of OSX" any more than Ubuntu 11.04 means "eleventh version of ubuntu"; the vendor chooses how to name and version their product. You are of course free to disagree with me, Apple, and whoever else you like, but you would be wrong-- as the vendor, all of this is their prerogative. I might suggest checking the wikipedia page for OSX if you want some clarification on the matter.
“We’re not copying but watching users,” Shum said.
Weitz added, “The word ‘copy’ has a very specific connotation, and it’s wrong. We get the clickstream. We’re going to see it. We may choose to show it or not.”
Oh, ok, that changes everything! Teacher, I wasnt copying Billy's test, i was watching his scribestream. See, fancy words make it hip, and cool, and legit!
. So the text of that page and the links would be automatically connected by the search engine.
So if your guess about the design of the toolbar is correct, then the first page of every google search, links, query, summaries, ads, and all are all sent straight to microsoft.
Would it be no issue whatsoever if the same results started appearing on Bings results with said queries? Simply because Bing had the users consent to plagarize Google?
Ah, and their search dev team was "informed" by google's linking of "mbzrxpgjys" to Research in Motion", were they? I wonder what algorithm revisions lead to Bing making the exact same link?
I dont think its silly at all for a big search company to accuse-- with evidence-- another big search company for using possibly illegal tactics to compete unfairly. Search is Google's core business (technically advertising i guess?), I dont think they see it as silly in the least.
So the Bing toolbar analysed those clicks, and because no-one else in the world was clicking on a link with those terms, they went straight to the top of Bing's results. So, Microsoft aren't data-mining Google
Theyre getting data-- basically, ALL relevant data on a search-- from google, and slapping it straight into their search results. How is that NOT datamining? What definition of datamining do you use?
Further, this ignores the fact that most dell machines ive seen shipped in the last year and half come with IE8 preloaded with the bing bar already installed. "Explicit consent" in this case means "user frantically clicked whatever they could to get the 80 IE8 startup prompts to go away". Explicit consent my foot.
Nevermind that that looks to me to be grey area, much like an eyeglasses plugin that monitors what books the user reads and then transcribes them as someone elses work-- "the wearer gave explicit consent!" except that copyright doesnt quite work that way.
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They will ask you to leave, and if it escalates, I imagine they call the manager, who may in turn call whatever kind of security they have / the police if you continue to resist. Its not complicated, and probably not much different than if you made a scene.
This is much like if a restaurant wants to enforce a dress code; they are perfectly free to kick you out if you do not conform to it. I dont get why this is a story.
Depending on the conditions, you may indeed be eligible if you quit or are fired.
Yes, well, Im sure a Japanese net manufacturer knows nothing about nets, and the Japanese space agency knows nothing about space, and this entire thing will fail.
Yes, except the town in that video actually has the money for ITS rail system.
Not until we have a social safety net
You mean like unemployment benefits?
Otherwise there are too many people who would demand sexual favors
Yes, in that instance the safety net is known as "the justice system" and "a lawsuit".
complete subservience from employees they knew to be in a precarious financial condition.
Again, thats why we have unemployment benefits, minimum wage laws, OSHA, etc.
Being an employer does not give you the right to suspend the constitution.
The constitution mostly deals with federal "cans" and "can nots"-- and as its purpose is to lay out the structure of the government, not grant rights, I think you are rather referring to the Bill of Rights-- which is ALSO not directed at corporations so much. The first amendment, which is so often trotted out, declares "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW", not "Corporate policy shall not encompass...".
We are citizens, not slaves
Then quit, or let yourself get fired and find another job! If you were slaves, you wouldnt have that option. Heck, in a third world country you might not have that option. Here in the US, you even get unemployment benefits to help with the period between jobs. Enough with the exaggeration, comparison to slaveery is disingenuous and likely insulting to those in far worse situations more akin to slavery across the globe.
People in the middle east are dieing right now in order to have the right to freely express themselves
Not in private corporations, however. What you seem to be proposing is that a company be forced to employ someone, even if he is openly disparaging of their product in a way that harms sales-- should a Coke employee be able to go onto a news station and abuse Coke products? I see no reason why an employee that becomes such a burden should be offered further employ by that company.
At the end of the day, employment is a contract between two people. If the terms include "you may not go onto nightline and trash our product", or "you must wear a pink tie on tuesdays", guess what-- you have 2 options. Accept the terms, or walk out the door. If the company violates the terms, well, thats already illegal. If you want some kind of employment guarentees, go to a "right to work" state-- they do exist.
Your general point is taken, but the hyperbole is a little excessive. I havent heard of a job where you can go to your boss and declare "you now owe me this much".
"Open Mind" is for topics that have not been thoroughly figured out.
Good to hear we've got that climate thing licked then.
Pretty bold statement, but it is true. Take AGW for example, it is taught as 'settled science, the Truth which must not be questioned.' But if it is science it should be falsifiable and it isn't
I might be mistaken, but part of the bill seemed directed at allowing teachers to dissent on AGW as well.
Quiet you, we're ranting here. Cant you see thats the entire purpose of this article?
These damaged children should be able to hold their parents criminally liable.
... for trusting research that was just recently, conclusively shown to be falsified? Yes, great plan, throw blame at the parents for not being qualified to debunk the research, or for being subject to the (all too human) flaw of trusting information ("X causes Y") more than dis-information ("the old research was flawed").
Hey, is it possible to dislike the tactics of Microsoft without having to take potshots at everything Gates does? Is it possible that (GASP) he actually is onboard the "saving children's lives with vaccines" train?
I mean geez its like you cant dislike one aspect of anything on slashdot; no, you have to hate everything it has ever been involved with! Microsoft is litigous, anticompetitive, and anti-oss? That means Balmer must beat his wife! Gates must hate babies!
Grow up, kids. Im sure theres some PR here, but dont kid yourself that theres nothing redeeming about Gates as a person.
Sounds like the library has odd permissions issues-- allowing "create file" and "append data" but not "delete file". Not adobes fault at all.
All those security concerns and yet you still:
A) Run the completely unvetted (and by their own admission, modified) SRWare Iron
-->Which lacks autoupdate
-->Which you for some reason trust more than googles official version, or the Chromium nightlies (despite this exploit, lol?)
-->not to mention that you cant exactly get the source code to SRWare, can you?
B) Use hosts files as some kind of attempt at security
C) (based on remark about promiscuity) believe that the websites you visit has anything to do with your level of securrity?
I used to be on the SRWare bandwagon, but the idea that I should for some reason trust this no-name company for no other reason than that they claimed to do "optimizations", use the latest webkit, and strip out googles spyware from the software-- all without access to their source-- and that whats more, I should trust their software more than the completely open Chromium.... yea, kind of hard to justify.
No, its not. The operating system is "OSX". The version is 10.4.2. That doesnt mean "tenth version of OSX" any more than Ubuntu 11.04 means "eleventh version of ubuntu"; the vendor chooses how to name and version their product. You are of course free to disagree with me, Apple, and whoever else you like, but you would be wrong-- as the vendor, all of this is their prerogative. I might suggest checking the wikipedia page for OSX if you want some clarification on the matter.
Stop being pedantic (and wrong, for that matter).
“We’re not copying but watching users,” Shum said.
Weitz added, “The word ‘copy’ has a very specific connotation, and it’s wrong. We get the clickstream. We’re going to see it. We may choose to show it or not.”
Oh, ok, that changes everything!
Teacher, I wasnt copying Billy's test, i was watching his scribestream. See, fancy words make it hip, and cool, and legit!
Uhm, how would that work, exactly?
Which you answer quite nicely with...
. So the text of that page and the links would be automatically connected by the search engine.
So if your guess about the design of the toolbar is correct, then the first page of every google search, links, query, summaries, ads, and all are all sent straight to microsoft.
Would it be no issue whatsoever if the same results started appearing on Bings results with said queries? Simply because Bing had the users consent to plagarize Google?
Ah, and their search dev team was "informed" by google's linking of "mbzrxpgjys" to Research in Motion", were they? I wonder what algorithm revisions lead to Bing making the exact same link?
I dont think its silly at all for a big search company to accuse-- with evidence-- another big search company for using possibly illegal tactics to compete unfairly. Search is Google's core business (technically advertising i guess?), I dont think they see it as silly in the least.
And theyre apparently deconstructing the google search URLs to get the search terms. How do you get around that?
If they were supplementing GPS direction systems with the routes you took, quite possibly.
So the Bing toolbar analysed those clicks, and because no-one else in the world was clicking on a link with those terms, they went straight to the top of Bing's results.
So, Microsoft aren't data-mining Google
Theyre getting data-- basically, ALL relevant data on a search-- from google, and slapping it straight into their search results. How is that NOT datamining? What definition of datamining do you use?
Further, this ignores the fact that most dell machines ive seen shipped in the last year and half come with IE8 preloaded with the bing bar already installed. "Explicit consent" in this case means "user frantically clicked whatever they could to get the 80 IE8 startup prompts to go away". Explicit consent my foot.
Nevermind that that looks to me to be grey area, much like an eyeglasses plugin that monitors what books the user reads and then transcribes them as someone elses work-- "the wearer gave explicit consent!" except that copyright doesnt quite work that way.
You know what would be golden? If bing started to subsequently link them all together.
Thats what we call poetic justice.
Why would you need to change the mac address?
Its like people think that someone else knowing your NIC's MAC is a security issue; you cant even discover a MAC address once you go through a router.
Step 3: Microsoft gets the data and compares it against relevent information for that search term.
So what youre saying is, they ARE copying google, just with the user's opt-in consent? Ah, thats different then.