For probably half of that, you could develope nanorobotics and AI and we could go to andromeda if we wanted to. But no let's blow a huge mountain of cash on quaint rockets (that blow up 1 in 50 times) to send a few guys to the moon and collect rocks or whatever. If people are going to be that stupid why don't you just put me in charge? I could do way better...
That exploit took advantage of code MS left in the beta version of IE8 that opted out of DEP and ASLR, the RTM IE8 disables that code on the internet zone, and it can be disabled on the intranet zone as well, so it's not much of an issue in the RTM IE8.
We could invest probably one tenth that amount in nanorobotics and AI, and probably do ten times as much, and visiting mars and the moon would then be trivial. But no one wants to hear about this, they talk of investing 150 billion in a one time trip to mars and nothing about something that could fix just about every material need humans have forever for much less (nanorobotics and AI.)
IE's lack of security being a reason for this. This is not true of recent versions of IE, and in fact, IE is sandboxed in recent versions of Windows, unlike FF and Opera. The Pwn2Own hacker winner rated it at 9/10 in security, and so on. I highly doubt this has anything to do with real security, more like hackers are faddish gullable kids who believe the "IE is teh insecure!" hype that the typical slashdotter believes.
Ya mod me down, I don't care.
Notice, that whenever someone defends MS or Windows against mindless fud, they get called an astroturfer, like automatically? Like there are really 5 million paid-for MS employees surfing the web telling the fudders to get stuffed. Certain people just can't handle that someone actually, gasp, disagrees with them.
http://begthequestion.info/
Windows 7 and Vista have lots of features, the problem is the average user does not ever see them. How do you sell ASLR and sandboxed browsing to joe football? Yet they are features, and damn good ones. There are countless others, but they do what a feature should do; they work and make things better and stay out of the users face while he/she does what's important.
Good move, getting all those XP users to a standards compliant browser that's reasonably secure will be a Good Thing. Even if you completely jock FF, at least this improves standards support, so you should support this. Hopefully, it won't take as long for IE8 to get the majority of the market as it took IE7, too. I can't remember if IE7 was ever released as a critical update or not, but we really need to get rid of IE6, pronto. They need to release this as critical for Vista as well, Vista + IE8 = very secure browsing, which is what most people need, just basic and secure browsing.
Upgrade to Vista, install the latest updates, leave auto-updates on, enable DEP for all processes adding exceptions to the DEP exception list if necessary (i.e. app crashes occur) - use IE8, lock down the internet zone so that all active-x and.net stuff is disabled, add trusted sites to the trusted sites zone that need those things, enable IE 'protected mode' for all zones, run users as standard users.
Use strong passwords, teach users basic computer security, including no clicking on email links, no downloading anything from the web. Tell them to trust no one (and no web page,) make sure they understand that they are under siege from one of the most powerful governments on the planet, and so on. Give users 'tests' on this stuff, to make sure they understand it.
There may also be security apps for windows that do more than signature scanning, something that cryptographically signs files and checks signatures, and alerts users/admins to any new processes that auto-start. Or perhaps writing/contracting one might be something you may want to look into.
That's enough to get started, but the key thing is update to Vista, it has so many security features added that it's very hard to break into relative to most other feasible OSes.
Since unix was conceived? So I must have imagined the morris worm and world readable passwd files. I'm guessing you're in your early 20s right about now... Anyway, YOU and your cheerleading friend should read up on vista's security:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_and_safety_features_new_to_Windows_Vista - and also note, a lot of linux and mac os x do not have a lot of features listed, nor did they have them when they were 'conceived.'
A one word rebuttal? LOL. Guess you don't want to overwork that tiny brain of yours. And it's the same tired crap that always gets trotted out when the open sores and crapple cultists run out of arguments...
I love posters like you. They always allude to the fabled 'lack of a secure system in windows' without any proof or idea of what they are talking about. Windows Vista supports ACLs, MACs (for sandboxed applications like IE), ASLR, DEP, pointer encryption, heap and stack protection (cannary values to detect corruption), exception handling white list, user accounts that are 'security boundaries' (look it up on wikipedia or google), site zoning in IE so untrusted sites can't launch browser plug-ins, a firewall turned on by default and so on. Many of these things, many linux distros and Mac OS X STILL lack, two and a half years after Vista's debut. No matter what security you provide, you are still only human and you will make a coding mistake and malware will find a way in (though this can be greatly reduced it can never be eliminated completely,) not to mention social engineering attacks that NO OS can defend against. Windows, being 100 times more popular than linux and 20 times more popular than OS X, gets attacked orders of magnitued more than those other operating systems. That is why anti-malware is necessary. So take your clueless, over wordy nonsense and stuff it. You are no better than any other fud spreader, despite what slashdotters think of themselves, fud is fud, so stop spreading it.
FF on Vista does use ASLR and DEP, but not protected mode like IE. This can be verified with Process Explorer run on Vista with FF open, just add "ASLR" and "DEP" columns.
The solution is easy, though you may not like it.
Install Vista (It has ASLR, heap protection, pointer protection, dep, integrity levels, and so on) and latest updates.
Enable DEP for all processes and memory protection in IE advanced options (must run IE as admin first to change this setting.)
Disable all the AcitveX and.NET stuff in the internet zone.
Enable Protected Mode for 'trusted zone.'
Add necessary, trusted sites to 'Trusted Zone' site list, that require an active-x/.net plug-in.
Leave auto-updates on.
Don't download anything unless you know for sure the trustworthyness of the people who made it.
Using just that, I have been using Vista for almost 2 years without a single Virus, trojan or Worm, or anything at all to speak of, and I surf everything, all day, including very shady sites. Vista pretty much takes care of the automated and drive-by download infections, teaching non-advanced users about web scams that only require a sucker user on the other hand is very difficult, I recently had to clean antivirus-360 from a friends computer because despite all the security (it was XP) she willingly clicked 'download' and 'install' and 'ok' when it said she needed the program on some website. lol.
That we are on the verge of creating nanorobotics and AI, and so any civilization more advanced than us almost certainly have these technologies, and with them they could remain hidden from anyone who does not have equivalent technology. They would also be likely to WANT to remain hidden because if they pollute our civilization. If the aliens developed their civilization until they reached nanotech and AI without outside inteference, they probably would see this as the most natural course of a civilization's history, and therefore would impose it on us. If aliens introduced themselves to us, there would be mass chaos on this planet, and a lot of hatred going both ways, they are almost certainly not going to be 'pretty' to our eyes, and vice versa. People would attack the aliens if they tried to walk amongst our population just as they do people of different races, and even people of the same race. Although the aliens could defend themselves easily if they had the technology to get here, it would still be ugly. Just look at orginizations like Hamas, how would they react to the 'infedels?' Although I think seeing an alien would be neat, and we could learn a lot, there are a lot of good reasons for them to just stay away from us and hidden, and with advanced technology that would be easily possible. Or maybe life is just so improbable, we're the only ones around.
Security...DEP, ASLR, UAC, Protected Mode (sandboxed) IE, service hardening, and better support of running as standard user with file and registry virtualization. Vista is also more stable, since a lot of driver code has been moved into user land, personally I've run a Vista x64 box 24/7 for a year and a half, and only had one system crash/reboot, which was due to an nvidia driver. I also find the GUI to be nicer, since it's accelerated and doesn't look like that luna crap.
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For probably half of that, you could develope nanorobotics and AI and we could go to andromeda if we wanted to. But no let's blow a huge mountain of cash on quaint rockets (that blow up 1 in 50 times) to send a few guys to the moon and collect rocks or whatever. If people are going to be that stupid why don't you just put me in charge? I could do way better...
That exploit took advantage of code MS left in the beta version of IE8 that opted out of DEP and ASLR, the RTM IE8 disables that code on the internet zone, and it can be disabled on the intranet zone as well, so it's not much of an issue in the RTM IE8.
We could invest probably one tenth that amount in nanorobotics and AI, and probably do ten times as much, and visiting mars and the moon would then be trivial. But no one wants to hear about this, they talk of investing 150 billion in a one time trip to mars and nothing about something that could fix just about every material need humans have forever for much less (nanorobotics and AI.)
IE's lack of security being a reason for this. This is not true of recent versions of IE, and in fact, IE is sandboxed in recent versions of Windows, unlike FF and Opera. The Pwn2Own hacker winner rated it at 9/10 in security, and so on. I highly doubt this has anything to do with real security, more like hackers are faddish gullable kids who believe the "IE is teh insecure!" hype that the typical slashdotter believes. Ya mod me down, I don't care.
Notice, that whenever someone defends MS or Windows against mindless fud, they get called an astroturfer, like automatically? Like there are really 5 million paid-for MS employees surfing the web telling the fudders to get stuffed. Certain people just can't handle that someone actually, gasp, disagrees with them.
http://begthequestion.info/ Windows 7 and Vista have lots of features, the problem is the average user does not ever see them. How do you sell ASLR and sandboxed browsing to joe football? Yet they are features, and damn good ones. There are countless others, but they do what a feature should do; they work and make things better and stay out of the users face while he/she does what's important.
Good move, getting all those XP users to a standards compliant browser that's reasonably secure will be a Good Thing. Even if you completely jock FF, at least this improves standards support, so you should support this. Hopefully, it won't take as long for IE8 to get the majority of the market as it took IE7, too. I can't remember if IE7 was ever released as a critical update or not, but we really need to get rid of IE6, pronto. They need to release this as critical for Vista as well, Vista + IE8 = very secure browsing, which is what most people need, just basic and secure browsing.
Upgrade to Vista, install the latest updates, leave auto-updates on, enable DEP for all processes adding exceptions to the DEP exception list if necessary (i.e. app crashes occur) - use IE8, lock down the internet zone so that all active-x and .net stuff is disabled, add trusted sites to the trusted sites zone that need those things, enable IE 'protected mode' for all zones, run users as standard users.
Use strong passwords, teach users basic computer security, including no clicking on email links, no downloading anything from the web. Tell them to trust no one (and no web page,) make sure they understand that they are under siege from one of the most powerful governments on the planet, and so on. Give users 'tests' on this stuff, to make sure they understand it.
There may also be security apps for windows that do more than signature scanning, something that cryptographically signs files and checks signatures, and alerts users/admins to any new processes that auto-start. Or perhaps writing/contracting one might be something you may want to look into.
That's enough to get started, but the key thing is update to Vista, it has so many security features added that it's very hard to break into relative to most other feasible OSes.
Since unix was conceived? So I must have imagined the morris worm and world readable passwd files. I'm guessing you're in your early 20s right about now... Anyway, YOU and your cheerleading friend should read up on vista's security: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_and_safety_features_new_to_Windows_Vista - and also note, a lot of linux and mac os x do not have a lot of features listed, nor did they have them when they were 'conceived.'
Crap...before I can have my hearty 'lol' I must enter my root password...?!
A one word rebuttal? LOL. Guess you don't want to overwork that tiny brain of yours. And it's the same tired crap that always gets trotted out when the open sores and crapple cultists run out of arguments...
I love posters like you. They always allude to the fabled 'lack of a secure system in windows' without any proof or idea of what they are talking about. Windows Vista supports ACLs, MACs (for sandboxed applications like IE), ASLR, DEP, pointer encryption, heap and stack protection (cannary values to detect corruption), exception handling white list, user accounts that are 'security boundaries' (look it up on wikipedia or google), site zoning in IE so untrusted sites can't launch browser plug-ins, a firewall turned on by default and so on. Many of these things, many linux distros and Mac OS X STILL lack, two and a half years after Vista's debut. No matter what security you provide, you are still only human and you will make a coding mistake and malware will find a way in (though this can be greatly reduced it can never be eliminated completely,) not to mention social engineering attacks that NO OS can defend against. Windows, being 100 times more popular than linux and 20 times more popular than OS X, gets attacked orders of magnitued more than those other operating systems. That is why anti-malware is necessary. So take your clueless, over wordy nonsense and stuff it. You are no better than any other fud spreader, despite what slashdotters think of themselves, fud is fud, so stop spreading it.
As soon as your OS is used by more than 50 people, you'll be invited. :)
FF on Vista does use ASLR and DEP, but not protected mode like IE. This can be verified with Process Explorer run on Vista with FF open, just add "ASLR" and "DEP" columns.
The solution is easy, though you may not like it. Install Vista (It has ASLR, heap protection, pointer protection, dep, integrity levels, and so on) and latest updates. Enable DEP for all processes and memory protection in IE advanced options (must run IE as admin first to change this setting.) Disable all the AcitveX and .NET stuff in the internet zone.
Enable Protected Mode for 'trusted zone.'
Add necessary, trusted sites to 'Trusted Zone' site list, that require an active-x/.net plug-in.
Leave auto-updates on.
Don't download anything unless you know for sure the trustworthyness of the people who made it.
Using just that, I have been using Vista for almost 2 years without a single Virus, trojan or Worm, or anything at all to speak of, and I surf everything, all day, including very shady sites. Vista pretty much takes care of the automated and drive-by download infections, teaching non-advanced users about web scams that only require a sucker user on the other hand is very difficult, I recently had to clean antivirus-360 from a friends computer because despite all the security (it was XP) she willingly clicked 'download' and 'install' and 'ok' when it said she needed the program on some website. lol.
People are going to figure out you need nanorobotics for this type of stuff, and will stop f-ing around and build the damn things.
Beats 1.6 million password prompts...
That we are on the verge of creating nanorobotics and AI, and so any civilization more advanced than us almost certainly have these technologies, and with them they could remain hidden from anyone who does not have equivalent technology. They would also be likely to WANT to remain hidden because if they pollute our civilization. If the aliens developed their civilization until they reached nanotech and AI without outside inteference, they probably would see this as the most natural course of a civilization's history, and therefore would impose it on us. If aliens introduced themselves to us, there would be mass chaos on this planet, and a lot of hatred going both ways, they are almost certainly not going to be 'pretty' to our eyes, and vice versa. People would attack the aliens if they tried to walk amongst our population just as they do people of different races, and even people of the same race. Although the aliens could defend themselves easily if they had the technology to get here, it would still be ugly. Just look at orginizations like Hamas, how would they react to the 'infedels?' Although I think seeing an alien would be neat, and we could learn a lot, there are a lot of good reasons for them to just stay away from us and hidden, and with advanced technology that would be easily possible. Or maybe life is just so improbable, we're the only ones around.
Security...DEP, ASLR, UAC, Protected Mode (sandboxed) IE, service hardening, and better support of running as standard user with file and registry virtualization. Vista is also more stable, since a lot of driver code has been moved into user land, personally I've run a Vista x64 box 24/7 for a year and a half, and only had one system crash/reboot, which was due to an nvidia driver. I also find the GUI to be nicer, since it's accelerated and doesn't look like that luna crap.
Do you have the source code and schematics to your TV and included cpu/roms? Or your microwave or washer/dryer? Car?
You must be new here...
This might explain why the bill is iphone high. Stupid louisiana brain deathers.
Further discoveries of cosmology lie in the 6th decimal place.