I don't think you realy understand Chromium. It is 100% open sourced and available today.
So what limits the FSF, for example, to use the Chromium code, cut out all the phoning home, turn transfer_files_and_data_to_google to transfer_files_and_data_to_personal_ftp_server? So what limits Firefox to support WebGL? So what Canonical to complement Ubuntu Netbook with Chromium tech and integrated it with Ubuntu One instead of Google and ship updates for 'UbuntuChromium' themselves?
It is only natural that Google defaults Chromium to their own services, but anyone can take the code and say: "Whaha! I am Steve Ballmer and I am going to pull of a joke! I will integrate everything with Windows Live and call it Macaronium, srew up some webstandards and ship it with IE10 instead!" Just like SRWare created Iron, which is a fork of Chrome that doesn't phone home.
What do you mean, remote on Google Gears? Gears is a local cache 'solution', in which Gears code/tecnology/whatever creates the possibility for a webapp developer to store information on the client in terms of a SQLite database.
Gears does other things to, like client side Javascript execution, notifications, etc.
So what Gears comes down to is: You go to a webapp on the internet. Let's say Google Earth in WebGL with Gears support. So what happens? It will be cahsed. So next time you boot up your netbook and you find that you cannot connect with the internet, you can still fire up Google Earth and view all satalite images that you have cached while browing.
With Google Gears, client > web. But when you are actually connected with the internet, Gears updates the GUI, your database, etc, etc.
So Gears is like offline pages for webapps and integration with the client side.
Kernel: Linux WM: Chrome GUI kit: HTML + CSS Media player: Flash and OGG Graphics library: WebGL Application store: The internet with Google Gears Coding language: Javascript Backup: automatic online gratis storage
Need I even say more? Yes;
Chromium needs semantic file management and a better use of tabs (WM's that can only display fullscreen Windows sucks) and the ability to hook up an extrenal storage device and a one-click-offline-backup-solution and a better way to store webapps offline with Gears.
Okey... 'nuff said. If there is anything that could on the long run kill proprietary, monoplies, vendor lockin, etc, etc. then it is Chromium.
Not that I would make it my primary OS is the near future, but it will be installed on my netbook for sure...
To Google it really is. Every extra microsecond of time that a user could spare for browing the WWW is a microsecond extra worth of chance that a user could spent looking at- and clicking on Google Ads.
And also: Everytime you boot up Chromium it first checks if the to-be-booted-system-image is not corrupted and then load a clean slate image into the RAM. This way you can get rid of virusses and adware more easily by just rebooting...
Depends... Loading a 2GB file from HD upon turning on the computer at the wall may require a little more power than just letting your RAM stay powered on and the rest of the system powered of (including any activity like fans too).
I am highly against that last sentence of yours, but people that smoke should smoke outside. I am addicted to smoking, but I hate it when everytime I get into peoples houses where they smoke inside. My clothes smell discusting the next morrning and the walls are all yellow and mice and keyboards are disgusting too.
It's censorship. But what if a Russian game studio made a kickass game with a scene where the US is pure evil and bad and you take the role of a Russian person to kick the US governments ass?
Well that would be a bit stupid to release it like that in the US. Allthough I do not think a lot of US citizens would mind kicking the ass of their own government. I know I wouldn't mind kicking mine ^^,
Chromium is currently only geared for netbooks. These are slow as hell and used only on the go anyway. The only thing that one'd be doing on one of those is browsing the internet anyway...
And it's a nice testbed too.
So while I will totally not install this onto my desktop, I will swap my Linux install on my ASUS EEE PC 900 for Chromium the very day it's released!
While true, the Geneva convention is what sepperates 'us' from 'them'. How can we make a stand and say "You are very bad!" if 'we' would just be doing the same evil things as 'they' do?
"I use Trillian, FWIW, and go out of my way to uninstall the MSN Messenger adware client on every machine I use" That's interesting given the fact that the Messenger that comes with a fresh Windows install doesn't contain adware.
"and having 2 (or more) IM clients installed on a machine is just stupid." How's that stupid? A bunch of unused 20MB worth of 1's and 0's... I am sure that's hell...
"(Your reply, I imagine, [...]" I use Kopete more often because I am on Linux more often than Windows. Windows is by far inferior to modern Linux, GNU tools, X and KDE 4.3. I am not a Microsoft fanboy (that's the fun in all of this); I am just giving credit where it's due. Live Messenger, IMO, is just way better than anything else overall. It's okey if you do not like it. Use whatever suits your needs... The problem I am having with all the comments here, though, is that people bach is it favor of something else, because it's a Microsoft product. They feel like "OMG I have to bash this... Why? Uhm... let's look if I can find some valid reasons to justify my use of another IM, because my friends do not use it and because it's not FLOSS." And thát triggers comments like mine.
"I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt" Honestly I couldn't give a flying fsck what you try....
"(which is partly nested in parenthesis, for some odd reason)" Posting in plain old text doesn't have the option of markup. I was getting tired of HTML.
But what fscking kind of a low life loser are you when you track random/. users? Seriously...
I never post anonymous, because I do not have to. My karma is excellent even when I engaged in thousands of discussions (some of which I probably started myself) and knew I got modded troll and flamebait. Who cares?
What all the above comes down to is: all other messengers combined cannot beat the Live Messneger feature set. Big. Fucking. Period. Shit like:
Backgrounds. Animated avatars. Animated emoticons. Drawing pictures. Pricate file sharing. Slideshows. The list goes on and on and on and on and on.
Fuck the CLI. Fuck the crypto that nobody fscking uses that has a life anyway.
And no I am not getting payed for saying this. One would think Microsoft already had enough minions to do that for them. Just give credits where it's due. Get your head out of the sand. Just say it like it is.
And please Anonymous Coward, get a fscking life... -_-'
PS: And with security model I do not mean the technical security model of the Windows OS, but the way Microsoft responds to known security vulnerabilities with patches.
"I'm game. What makes it so great?" It pioneered and still pioneers messenger features and therefore with it a lot of online culture.
"Google Talk uses Jabber to begin with, which is the defacto open standard for IM, so it wins as a network." Oh come on! Number please!
"Pidgin, Kopete, Adium, Trillian, and Meebo all allow connections to most IM networks, including Windows Live, Yahoo, and AIM" Pidgin suffers from horrible, not soon to be fixed security holes and the developper refuse to fix them. Nobody is under security hole pressure like Microsoft, and nobody comes anywhere close to their security model. Kopete lacks webcam support completely and all other IM's may connect to it, send some text and little more do they support.
"Farther down is good AV support." Live Messenger suffers from slow Microsoft servers, but the protocol is reversed engineered like crazy, and the client itself has nothing to do with that. Add upon that Linux IM's that do not even enhance the image quality of the webcam feed and therefor suffer great image quality. If you have great codecs or whatever, but your feed is shit, then you'll still be transfering shit.
"Can Windows Live do either crypto or history at all?" Back when Live Messenger was still called MSN Messenger it actually pioneered history. Crypto is good when all your friends give you crypto keys. Crypto is only usefull when you are having something to hide. Talking about "OMG where's my privacy then?" and carying a mobile phone with subscription with you everyday doesn't convince and nobody that I know would even give me crypto keys so I'd just shut myself out of social communication. Plus I am not an enemy of a dictatorship country so I don't give a fsck.
"How do they make a profit on Windows Live Messenger? I'm curious what the business model there is." Offering the same software portfolio as Apple has. "What is the business model of the windshield on my car? Well... there isn't because the windshield is part of the car...
"But it seems like at least part of its purpose is to support the Windows platform" It al started very evil because MSN was standing for MicroSoft Network, which was Microsofts hope to conquer the internet with a multimedia and social approach, but failed and was nevertheless continued. Like Netscape that is now more or less the free giveaway called Mozilla.
Do you considder Enlightenment for example badly written software? It's the option windows that do not fit vertically on a low resolution screens. It's everywhere; from Windows to Firefox and from MS Office to whatever software you can think of...
Microsoft could make key applications like Windows Live Messenger (best messenger ever. Don't even dare to argue with me on that one because you WILL lose this one) and Office available on Linux and prepare every OS out there for being able to run their apps so that they can still make huge amount of profit outside of the Windows OS realm. Just to name one thing...
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I don't think you realy understand Chromium. It is 100% open sourced and available today.
So what limits the FSF, for example, to use the Chromium code, cut out all the phoning home, turn transfer_files_and_data_to_google to transfer_files_and_data_to_personal_ftp_server? So what limits Firefox to support WebGL? So what Canonical to complement Ubuntu Netbook with Chromium tech and integrated it with Ubuntu One instead of Google and ship updates for 'UbuntuChromium' themselves?
It is only natural that Google defaults Chromium to their own services, but anyone can take the code and say: "Whaha! I am Steve Ballmer and I am going to pull of a joke! I will integrate everything with Windows Live and call it Macaronium, srew up some webstandards and ship it with IE10 instead!" Just like SRWare created Iron, which is a fork of Chrome that doesn't phone home.
What do you mean, remote on Google Gears? Gears is a local cache 'solution', in which Gears code/tecnology/whatever creates the possibility for a webapp developer to store information on the client in terms of a SQLite database.
Gears does other things to, like client side Javascript execution, notifications, etc.
So what Gears comes down to is: You go to a webapp on the internet. Let's say Google Earth in WebGL with Gears support. So what happens? It will be cahsed. So next time you boot up your netbook and you find that you cannot connect with the internet, you can still fire up Google Earth and view all satalite images that you have cached while browing.
With Google Gears, client > web. But when you are actually connected with the internet, Gears updates the GUI, your database, etc, etc.
So Gears is like offline pages for webapps and integration with the client side.
Kernel: Linux
WM: Chrome
GUI kit: HTML + CSS
Media player: Flash and OGG
Graphics library: WebGL
Application store: The internet with Google Gears
Coding language: Javascript
Backup: automatic online gratis storage
Need I even say more? Yes;
Chromium needs semantic file management and a better use of tabs (WM's that can only display fullscreen Windows sucks) and the ability to hook up an extrenal storage device and a one-click-offline-backup-solution and a better way to store webapps offline with Gears.
Okey... 'nuff said. If there is anything that could on the long run kill proprietary, monoplies, vendor lockin, etc, etc. then it is Chromium.
Not that I would make it my primary OS is the near future, but it will be installed on my netbook for sure...
And, most importantly; drain less battery life and has more performance left for anything internet.
To Google it really is. Every extra microsecond of time that a user could spare for browing the WWW is a microsecond extra worth of chance that a user could spent looking at- and clicking on Google Ads.
And also: Everytime you boot up Chromium it first checks if the to-be-booted-system-image is not corrupted and then load a clean slate image into the RAM. This way you can get rid of virusses and adware more easily by just rebooting...
Depends... Loading a 2GB file from HD upon turning on the computer at the wall may require a little more power than just letting your RAM stay powered on and the rest of the system powered of (including any activity like fans too).
Ehm... I don't know... maybe a netbook has a battery that could get somehow drainend or something? Who am I?
sudo make install sandwich
Yummy!
I am highly against that last sentence of yours, but people that smoke should smoke outside. I am addicted to smoking, but I hate it when everytime I get into peoples houses where they smoke inside. My clothes smell discusting the next morrning and the walls are all yellow and mice and keyboards are disgusting too.
It's censorship. But what if a Russian game studio made a kickass game with a scene where the US is pure evil and bad and you take the role of a Russian person to kick the US governments ass?
Well that would be a bit stupid to release it like that in the US. Allthough I do not think a lot of US citizens would mind kicking the ass of their own government. I know I wouldn't mind kicking mine ^^,
But it's still kinda wrong...
get me a sandwich is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
You mean 10 buttons?
Chromium is currently only geared for netbooks. These are slow as hell and used only on the go anyway. The only thing that one'd be doing on one of those is browsing the internet anyway...
And it's a nice testbed too.
So while I will totally not install this onto my desktop, I will swap my Linux install on my ASUS EEE PC 900 for Chromium the very day it's released!
While true, the Geneva convention is what sepperates 'us' from 'them'. How can we make a stand and say "You are very bad!" if 'we' would just be doing the same evil things as 'they' do?
Don't mistake individuals for groups of people ;)
Ignorense is bliss. And that's not a bad thing. I didn't mind the low quality YouTube video's and MP3's while I was 14 years old.
Now that I do know what's different with a lossy codec I can't stand 128KB/s MP3's anymore.
I don't know what's worse: 128KB/s MP3s, or the fact that I can't stand them anymore =x
"I use Trillian, FWIW, and go out of my way to uninstall the MSN Messenger adware client on every machine I use"
That's interesting given the fact that the Messenger that comes with a fresh Windows install doesn't contain adware.
"and having 2 (or more) IM clients installed on a machine is just stupid."
How's that stupid? A bunch of unused 20MB worth of 1's and 0's... I am sure that's hell...
"(Your reply, I imagine, [...]"
I use Kopete more often because I am on Linux more often than Windows. Windows is by far inferior to modern Linux, GNU tools, X and KDE 4.3. I am not a Microsoft fanboy (that's the fun in all of this); I am just giving credit where it's due. Live Messenger, IMO, is just way better than anything else overall. It's okey if you do not like it. Use whatever suits your needs... The problem I am having with all the comments here, though, is that people bach is it favor of something else, because it's a Microsoft product. They feel like "OMG I have to bash this... Why? Uhm... let's look if I can find some valid reasons to justify my use of another IM, because my friends do not use it and because it's not FLOSS." And thát triggers comments like mine.
"I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt"
Honestly I couldn't give a flying fsck what you try....
"(which is partly nested in parenthesis, for some odd reason)"
Posting in plain old text doesn't have the option of markup. I was getting tired of HTML.
But what fscking kind of a low life loser are you when you track random /. users? Seriously...
I never post anonymous, because I do not have to. My karma is excellent even when I engaged in thousands of discussions (some of which I probably started myself) and knew I got modded troll and flamebait. Who cares?
What all the above comes down to is: all other messengers combined cannot beat the Live Messneger feature set. Big. Fucking. Period. Shit like:
Backgrounds. Animated avatars. Animated emoticons. Drawing pictures. Pricate file sharing. Slideshows. The list goes on and on and on and on and on.
Fuck the CLI. Fuck the crypto that nobody fscking uses that has a life anyway.
And no I am not getting payed for saying this. One would think Microsoft already had enough minions to do that for them. Just give credits where it's due. Get your head out of the sand. Just say it like it is.
And please Anonymous Coward, get a fscking life... -_-'
PS: And with security model I do not mean the technical security model of the Windows OS, but the way Microsoft responds to known security vulnerabilities with patches.
"I'm game. What makes it so great?"
It pioneered and still pioneers messenger features and therefore with it a lot of online culture.
"Google Talk uses Jabber to begin with, which is the defacto open standard for IM, so it wins as a network."
Oh come on! Number please!
"Pidgin, Kopete, Adium, Trillian, and Meebo all allow connections to most IM networks, including Windows Live, Yahoo, and AIM"
Pidgin suffers from horrible, not soon to be fixed security holes and the developper refuse to fix them. Nobody is under security hole pressure like Microsoft, and nobody comes anywhere close to their security model. Kopete lacks webcam support completely and all other IM's may connect to it, send some text and little more do they support.
"Farther down is good AV support."
Live Messenger suffers from slow Microsoft servers, but the protocol is reversed engineered like crazy, and the client itself has nothing to do with that. Add upon that Linux IM's that do not even enhance the image quality of the webcam feed and therefor suffer great image quality. If you have great codecs or whatever, but your feed is shit, then you'll still be transfering shit.
"Can Windows Live do either crypto or history at all?"
Back when Live Messenger was still called MSN Messenger it actually pioneered history. Crypto is good when all your friends give you crypto keys.
Crypto is only usefull when you are having something to hide. Talking about "OMG where's my privacy then?" and carying a mobile phone with subscription with you everyday doesn't convince and nobody that I know would even give me crypto keys so I'd just shut myself out of social communication. Plus I am not an enemy of a dictatorship country so I don't give a fsck.
"How do they make a profit on Windows Live Messenger? I'm curious what the business model there is."
Offering the same software portfolio as Apple has. "What is the business model of the windshield on my car? Well... there isn't because the windshield is part of the car...
"But it seems like at least part of its purpose is to support the Windows platform"
It al started very evil because MSN was standing for MicroSoft Network, which was Microsofts hope to conquer the internet with a multimedia and social approach, but failed and was nevertheless continued. Like Netscape that is now more or less the free giveaway called Mozilla.
It doesn't: It works with Yahoo! too.
Do you considder Enlightenment for example badly written software? It's the option windows that do not fit vertically on a low resolution screens. It's everywhere; from Windows to Firefox and from MS Office to whatever software you can think of...
Microsoft could make key applications like Windows Live Messenger (best messenger ever. Don't even dare to argue with me on that one because you WILL lose this one) and Office available on Linux and prepare every OS out there for being able to run their apps so that they can still make huge amount of profit outside of the Windows OS realm. Just to name one thing...
What harware are we talking about when we talk about a cheap machine? Do you already own it or not?
What software requirements do you have? I mean: IE websites, flash, MS Office files, whatever... ?