Look at it from this way; with IE's marketshare there will also be websites for IE only. That would be uhm... schools included. It has bigger implications than you might imagine.
Yeah, and if everybody keep thinking that then IE will never go away. Just display the message "Your are trying to view this webpage with a non-standard browser. Please use Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome or Opera." Seriously, is that so hard? Even Google did this trick with YouTube for IE6. Well... if Google can do that then why can't you?
I think that's a very good strategy; The cloud is awesome as long as a server is up or a company doesn't drop the service or if a company doesn't go bankrupt.
That said; have all your docs and stuff stored in your phone and still be able to have a cloud.
Besides, with current phones everybody has already stored their messages, phonebook, calander on the phone itself, so there is no extra worry about privacy, especially because you, yourself, are in charge of your data and not some company.
Genius idea Nokia, if it wasn't for the fact that everything has already been working like this for ages. It can only be done if Nokia would make it an open industry-wide standard, otherwise this kinda tech would not catch on...
What ClosedSource is saying is not really far from the truth. At least he is bringing some serious arguments to the table instead of pure lies and insults only. However it's completely besides the point.
You know what the best parental control would be......a parent that actually pays attention to what their kids do. If a parent is putting their children in front of a internet connected PC for endless hours a day, week, month unattended, then WOW playtime really should be the least of their concerns.
I am sorry but I fail to see why that would be wrong. Not only do kids learn a shitload from Wikipedia and whatnot, they also socialise through IM and network sites, instead of sitting in their rooms doing absolutely nothing. Sorry to break it down to you, but the times have changed. They will only find themselves being shut out by their classmates who do IM all day.
It's not longer: "Hey wanna play after school?" but instead "Hey, meet you at msn/counter-strike.
Seriously; let your kids spend all the time they want behind their computers and also get them to play a team sport so they stay healthy. That way they will learn a lot faster and also develop a lot more social skills.
I'm sorry to break it down to you but this is the year 2009 and not 1983:/
As much as I would like to see that happen; history shows that whoever is best at marketing, wins. I'll spare you the examples, because otherwise I would be modded down for (-1, incomfortabl- errrrr.... trolling or flamebaiting.
"bring you the unmatchable power of GNU/Linux". Cheesiest. Line. Ever. On/.
Just for the record: is there anything that you can name that can do more than Linux? Ever had an OS run on your wristwatch that was also able to run on the world fastest super computers, space exploration and operation critical medical hardware?
Have actually created a limited user account (as opposed to an administrator one) on XP?
I just created a user account. I don't know if it's limited or whatever. You can choose between admin, user and guest.
I'm sorry, I simply do not believe you can kill the graphics driver in XP as a limited user. Maybe kill the user mode control panel bit, but not the driver or you'd have a blank screen.
At first the screen freezes, shortly after that it goes blank (as in no framebuffer on the screen anymore) then the music still playes but after a few seconds it chockes (you know, that looping) like at 200bpm and then the sound stops and then... nothing... With the semi-realtime playback in XP I think that shows that the kernel crashes. Hitting the soft-shutdown button also doesn't shut the system down anymore so yeah...
The API is extended, and is constantly getting larger, and this is a good thing (although it does make for a complex and inconsistent API), because backwards compatibility is vital, and key to the reason why Windows will keep beating linux and Mac on the desktop.
Backwards compatibility is seriously declining. Starting with XP I already have a few games from the 'Pentium 3 era' that don't even run anymore. I need Wine for that. Ofcourse I do also need to mention that a lot more games still work good on Windows and absolutely crappy on Wine.
Adding API's does not really slow anything down. Adding feature does. It has got slower because people expect an OS to do more, and to be more secure.
Ehm, no offense, but KDE 4.3 has more features than Windows 7 and is much faster than explorer. Yet Microsoft has unlimited money and top-notch programmers on a payroll and Windows 7 is much slower. Expnding the API's is good, but expending upon a deep Win3.x subsystem at Win7's core is a completely different story. It's insane...
The more that the OS does, the more it has to mode switch between kernel and user mode, which is very slow. These days the hard disk is a huge bottleneck because as the OS has tried to do more, the available data from the hard disk has not been able to keep up.
While true about the slowness of the HDD; the OS is there to make your hardware run, not the other way around. Windows should adept to hardware and you can't blame HDD's for 'not keeping up with Windows'. That's just plain wrong...
Of course they can't make raw CPU calculations faster! This is a OS, not a hardware upgrade!
I think that we are talking about two different things. No the OS can't make single CPU calculations go faster!:) What an OS can do is demand a lot of raw CPU calculations and so less calculations are available for a given application in terms of time.
The improved responsiveness of the OS is about the only performance measure that actually tests what the OS does.
Also very true, but, a frontend of an app may run faster, however the speed of the backend sucks on Windows 7. You can't deny that. For example: encoding, decoding, compressing, reading, writing, rendering... all that stuff is slower, while the menu's for the graphical frontend might pop up faster. That's a huge difference. Not to mention games that do not rely on GDI at all. You see the biggest performance hits there. Even with Crysis for gods sake!:P xD
Third party applications simply don't make use of OS code enough to provide useful information about OS performance. The only useful measure involving third party applications and the OS is launch time.
Anecdotally, I am running XP pro on my work machine (quad core) and my windows 7 laptop is much more responsive machine, even with just 2, slower cores.
Word, excel, visual studio all start faster on the windows 7 laptop than on the win XP desktop
There was this class reunion show on Dutch television a long time ago and there was this Georgio Armani model that said that he was actually kinda nerdy inside and read/. "New for nerds" on a regular basis. Not that anyone knew what that website was but eh, that's not the point. I'm not the anti-social nerdy kind of failure type that can't get girls (they usualy approach me and funny that you mentioned it; some gay guys as well) either. So I guess I'm just myself and just have this insanely huge interrest in everythign related to science, and I don't even know where it is comming from, but I don't care.
An even funnier side note is that I found myself usually getting along with the more nerdy people, simply because they had a real personality instead of the "monkey see, monkey do" losers and I was always kicking the asses of those joe 6-packs instead of the other way around.
The last thing I want is to constantly defrag my system, scan for mallware and have my so called awesome GUI called explorer crash every now and then because of the failed driver model and then not being able to ctrl+alt+backspace and restart it again. FUCK YOU!!!! Linux is 100 times better than Windows in every aspect! You know it and your trolling will have zero effect on the truth and the FLOSS movement. Get ready to be raped as a programmer in a year or 5 or so when Linux will crush the competition on the desktop, since it is already more ready for the desktop then the entire software industry out there, including Apple. Nothing beats the foundation of KDE 4.3 and that makes Linux actually very much ahead of the 'competition', fucktard.
Don't you think that a pidgin is just a bird that people used to send mail to each other when there was no post office, like they did in medieval times, you fucking retard?!
I think he is traceable. There is no reason why the USA couldn't have killed him. But think about this, OK? -> If you were the USA government, and you would have killed him, wouldn't it not be extremely beneficial to keep that quite? I mean; no Osama, no war...
Clearly I know nothing about computers. I've only been writing software professionally on windows for 10 years, and VAX/VMS, Alpha/VMS and PDP11 before that, and fortran on DEC UNIX at university before that.
I guess I am not going to ignore you after all. OK let's get it on...
You cannot terminate the XP graphics driver as a limited user (You may be able to crash it, and that may be a genuine security bug, but that's a different matter). Get a copy of VMware and try it, like I have. You cannot uninstall it or update it or anything as a limited user. XP home lacks some of the more advanced access control features, so I wonder if this is what you're thinking of, but XP Pro is much more secure.
No need for VM; I still have genuine, even, XP pro and have a user account still floating around. I can kill my ATI driver. Not that killing it has any value because even the latest version keeps giving me BSOD's.
On ALL operating systems device I know of device drivers MUST run (at least in part) in the Kernel in order to access hardware.
Not with open source X.org drivers. I've tried a GNU/Hurd LiveCD about a year ago...
Even in Vista only part of the graphics drivers run in user mode. There is still a core driver which runs in kernel mode, just as there is for your web cam and everything else.
Do I know how Windows truly works within? Well, I've not read the source code, but I have read Mark Russinovich's excellent Windows Internals book, and Pravat's Advanced Widows Debugging (awesome when you have device driver bugs to fix).
Well me neither, but all you need to do is read the Wine documentation, coupled with interviews and other readings from (ex-)Microsoft employees. Windows 7 is now basically, in contrast to lies, lies and even more lies, except for the kernel; Windows 3.x+95+98+2000+XP+Vista = Windows 7. It's rediculous and unbelievable, yet still very true... Which is the reason why some very, very old Windows apps (like win98) can still run on Windows 7. They keep expanding and expanding on what they have and almost nothing gets rewritten, which is why each version of Windows is getting slower and slower.
The question is, do YOU know anything about windows? You keep talking about ROOT, but Windows doesn't have an exact analogue to the ROOT user.
Well there isn't really a ROOT account, which is what I was trying to say: When logged in as a user, one runs everything like one would as an admin, except eplorer doesn't display you these very options, usually
You say MS can't speed windows up, but that's precisely what they've done with Windows 7.
No they have not -> They made explorer faster and that's it. You think it's faster untill you benchmark your applications...
In many cases it's faster even than XP on the same hardware,[...]
Whoa, which cases? You mean they have done a good job by making better use of hardware that previously manufacturers had to write functionality for? Yes that is certainly the case. Also; some games were optimised for Vista and are supposed to be faster on Windows 7 than on XP simply because of bad porting. In all of my cases with Windows 7 (yes I tried it and by trying I mean installing and not on a VM) everything was slower and I have serious hardware...
[...] and it scales much better to high end enterprise machines thanks to finer grained locking in the task scheduler and memory subsystems.
Here we go again; tuning, tuning, tuning... It's like wi
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Look at it from this way; with IE's marketshare there will also be websites for IE only. That would be uhm... schools included. It has bigger implications than you might imagine.
Yeah, and if everybody keep thinking that then IE will never go away. Just display the message "Your are trying to view this webpage with a non-standard browser. Please use Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome or Opera." Seriously, is that so hard? Even Google did this trick with YouTube for IE6. Well... if Google can do that then why can't you?
I think that's a very good strategy; The cloud is awesome as long as a server is up or a company doesn't drop the service or if a company doesn't go bankrupt.
That said; have all your docs and stuff stored in your phone and still be able to have a cloud.
Besides, with current phones everybody has already stored their messages, phonebook, calander on the phone itself, so there is no extra worry about privacy, especially because you, yourself, are in charge of your data and not some company.
Genius idea Nokia, if it wasn't for the fact that everything has already been working like this for ages. It can only be done if Nokia would make it an open industry-wide standard, otherwise this kinda tech would not catch on...
You're. *sigh* grammarnazi
What ClosedSource is saying is not really far from the truth. At least he is bringing some serious arguments to the table instead of pure lies and insults only. However it's completely besides the point.
What the fsck are you on? Install Ubuntu, go to the package manager and search for flashplugin-nonfree, install it and your done :/
You know what the best parental control would be......a parent that actually pays attention to what their kids do. If a parent is putting their children in front of a internet connected PC for endless hours a day, week, month unattended, then WOW playtime really should be the least of their concerns.
I am sorry but I fail to see why that would be wrong. Not only do kids learn a shitload from Wikipedia and whatnot, they also socialise through IM and network sites, instead of sitting in their rooms doing absolutely nothing. Sorry to break it down to you, but the times have changed. They will only find themselves being shut out by their classmates who do IM all day.
It's not longer: "Hey wanna play after school?" but instead "Hey, meet you at msn/counter-strike.
Seriously; let your kids spend all the time they want behind their computers and also get them to play a team sport so they stay healthy. That way they will learn a lot faster and also develop a lot more social skills.
I'm sorry to break it down to you but this is the year 2009 and not 1983 :/
OK, give me your number and I'll call you yesterday.
As much as I would like to see that happen; history shows that whoever is best at marketing, wins. I'll spare you the examples, because otherwise I would be modded down for (-1, incomfortabl- errrrr.... trolling or flamebaiting.
"bring you the unmatchable power of GNU/Linux". Cheesiest. Line. Ever. On /.
Just for the record: is there anything that you can name that can do more than Linux? Ever had an OS run on your wristwatch that was also able to run on the world fastest super computers, space exploration and operation critical medical hardware?
Just curious...
Which has nothing to do with an IM at all but nice try...
Have actually created a limited user account (as opposed to an administrator one) on XP?
I just created a user account. I don't know if it's limited or whatever. You can choose between admin, user and guest.
I'm sorry, I simply do not believe you can kill the graphics driver in XP as a limited user. Maybe kill the user mode control panel bit, but not the driver or you'd have a blank screen.
At first the screen freezes, shortly after that it goes blank (as in no framebuffer on the screen anymore) then the music still playes but after a few seconds it chockes (you know, that looping) like at 200bpm and then the sound stops and then... nothing... With the semi-realtime playback in XP I think that shows that the kernel crashes. Hitting the soft-shutdown button also doesn't shut the system down anymore so yeah...
The API is extended, and is constantly getting larger, and this is a good thing (although it does make for a complex and inconsistent API), because backwards compatibility is vital, and key to the reason why Windows will keep beating linux and Mac on the desktop.
Backwards compatibility is seriously declining. Starting with XP I already have a few games from the 'Pentium 3 era' that don't even run anymore. I need Wine for that. Ofcourse I do also need to mention that a lot more games still work good on Windows and absolutely crappy on Wine.
Adding API's does not really slow anything down. Adding feature does. It has got slower because people expect an OS to do more, and to be more secure.
Ehm, no offense, but KDE 4.3 has more features than Windows 7 and is much faster than explorer. Yet Microsoft has unlimited money and top-notch programmers on a payroll and Windows 7 is much slower. Expnding the API's is good, but expending upon a deep Win3.x subsystem at Win7's core is a completely different story. It's insane...
The more that the OS does, the more it has to mode switch between kernel and user mode, which is very slow. These days the hard disk is a huge bottleneck because as the OS has tried to do more, the available data from the hard disk has not been able to keep up.
While true about the slowness of the HDD; the OS is there to make your hardware run, not the other way around. Windows should adept to hardware and you can't blame HDD's for 'not keeping up with Windows'. That's just plain wrong...
Of course they can't make raw CPU calculations faster! This is a OS, not a hardware upgrade!
I think that we are talking about two different things. No the OS can't make single CPU calculations go faster! :) What an OS can do is demand a lot of raw CPU calculations and so less calculations are available for a given application in terms of time.
The improved responsiveness of the OS is about the only performance measure that actually tests what the OS does.
Also very true, but, a frontend of an app may run faster, however the speed of the backend sucks on Windows 7. You can't deny that. For example: encoding, decoding, compressing, reading, writing, rendering... all that stuff is slower, while the menu's for the graphical frontend might pop up faster. That's a huge difference. Not to mention games that do not rely on GDI at all. You see the biggest performance hits there. Even with Crysis for gods sake! :P xD
Third party applications simply don't make use of OS code enough to provide useful information about OS performance. The only useful measure involving third party applications and the OS is launch time. Anecdotally, I am running XP pro on my work machine (quad core) and my windows 7 laptop is much more responsive machine, even with just 2, slower cores. Word, excel, visual studio all start faster on the windows 7 laptop than on the win XP desktop
Enter uncom
OMG WTF try some education?
Or, ofcourse, Osama is still secretly allied with the USA and does something extremely patriotic xD, okey whatever... :P
There was this class reunion show on Dutch television a long time ago and there was this Georgio Armani model that said that he was actually kinda nerdy inside and read /. "New for nerds" on a regular basis. Not that anyone knew what that website was but eh, that's not the point. I'm not the anti-social nerdy kind of failure type that can't get girls (they usualy approach me and funny that you mentioned it; some gay guys as well) either. So I guess I'm just myself and just have this insanely huge interrest in everythign related to science, and I don't even know where it is comming from, but I don't care.
An even funnier side note is that I found myself usually getting along with the more nerdy people, simply because they had a real personality instead of the "monkey see, monkey do" losers and I was always kicking the asses of those joe 6-packs instead of the other way around.
The last thing I want is to constantly defrag my system, scan for mallware and have my so called awesome GUI called explorer crash every now and then because of the failed driver model and then not being able to ctrl+alt+backspace and restart it again. FUCK YOU!!!! Linux is 100 times better than Windows in every aspect! You know it and your trolling will have zero effect on the truth and the FLOSS movement. Get ready to be raped as a programmer in a year or 5 or so when Linux will crush the competition on the desktop, since it is already more ready for the desktop then the entire software industry out there, including Apple. Nothing beats the foundation of KDE 4.3 and that makes Linux actually very much ahead of the 'competition', fucktard.
That's nothing! I calculate Linux by hand!
Pidgin could be a pidgin word for pigeon as the logo of the IM client suggests. So I stand for 30% corrected.
You are reading /. from a browser... Hmmmm... there is not a single possibility that you could be raped by a-... letÂs say...- browser exploit?
Better yet; visualization -> Special 'asleep OS' that can only listen/talk to the network and read/write to storage devices.
I've seen more of these posts here on /. ... Very disturbing =x
If this is a joke then it's not funny and if it's not then you need to search for help...
Don't you think that a pidgin is just a bird that people used to send mail to each other when there was no post office, like they did in medieval times, you fucking retard?!
I think he is traceable. There is no reason why the USA couldn't have killed him. But think about this, OK? -> If you were the USA government, and you would have killed him, wouldn't it not be extremely beneficial to keep that quite? I mean; no Osama, no war...
There is no pattern in pi. Simple: 0 degrees to 90 degrees, 'the rules are ever changing'. Can you look for a pattern if something is not constant?
Yes axioms bla bla bla. 0,9 to 1 is not infinite.
Clearly I know nothing about computers. I've only been writing software professionally on windows for 10 years, and VAX/VMS, Alpha/VMS and PDP11 before that, and fortran on DEC UNIX at university before that.
I guess I am not going to ignore you after all. OK let's get it on...
You cannot terminate the XP graphics driver as a limited user (You may be able to crash it, and that may be a genuine security bug, but that's a different matter). Get a copy of VMware and try it, like I have. You cannot uninstall it or update it or anything as a limited user. XP home lacks some of the more advanced access control features, so I wonder if this is what you're thinking of, but XP Pro is much more secure.
No need for VM; I still have genuine, even, XP pro and have a user account still floating around. I can kill my ATI driver. Not that killing it has any value because even the latest version keeps giving me BSOD's.
On ALL operating systems device I know of device drivers MUST run (at least in part) in the Kernel in order to access hardware.
Not with open source X.org drivers. I've tried a GNU/Hurd LiveCD about a year ago...
Even in Vista only part of the graphics drivers run in user mode. There is still a core driver which runs in kernel mode, just as there is for your web cam and everything else.
Not everything else -> http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/Going+Deep/Rob-Short-and-kernel-team-Going-deep-inside-Windows-Vistas-kernel-architecture/
Do I know how Windows truly works within? Well, I've not read the source code, but I have read Mark Russinovich's excellent Windows Internals book, and Pravat's Advanced Widows Debugging (awesome when you have device driver bugs to fix).
Well me neither, but all you need to do is read the Wine documentation, coupled with interviews and other readings from (ex-)Microsoft employees. Windows 7 is now basically, in contrast to lies, lies and even more lies, except for the kernel; Windows 3.x+95+98+2000+XP+Vista = Windows 7. It's rediculous and unbelievable, yet still very true... Which is the reason why some very, very old Windows apps (like win98) can still run on Windows 7. They keep expanding and expanding on what they have and almost nothing gets rewritten, which is why each version of Windows is getting slower and slower.
The question is, do YOU know anything about windows? You keep talking about ROOT, but Windows doesn't have an exact analogue to the ROOT user.
Well there isn't really a ROOT account, which is what I was trying to say: When logged in as a user, one runs everything like one would as an admin, except eplorer doesn't display you these very options, usually
You say MS can't speed windows up, but that's precisely what they've done with Windows 7.
No they have not -> They made explorer faster and that's it. You think it's faster untill you benchmark your applications...
In many cases it's faster even than XP on the same hardware,[...]
Whoa, which cases? You mean they have done a good job by making better use of hardware that previously manufacturers had to write functionality for? Yes that is certainly the case. Also; some games were optimised for Vista and are supposed to be faster on Windows 7 than on XP simply because of bad porting. In all of my cases with Windows 7 (yes I tried it and by trying I mean installing and not on a VM) everything was slower and I have serious hardware...
[...] and it scales much better to high end enterprise machines thanks to finer grained locking in the task scheduler and memory subsystems.
Here we go again; tuning, tuning, tuning... It's like wi