There was much more than marketing involved in the success that Microsoft had until this day.
It involved lies, false promises (yellow road to Cairo), lobbying for antisocial laws (DMCA), lock-in practices(WMV, MS Office files), FUD(agreement with Novell about patents), embrace, extend and extinguish and bying into the stock of competitors.
Apples success so far came from delivering a better product...
Mac OS doesn't work with nearly as much hardware as Windows does, or else it'd probably be about as stable as Windows and therefore not any 'better.'
Yeah my mobile phone OS also doesn't work on a Nokia. It's not like Windows Mobile works on an iPhone either... Your point?
Linux distributions are way beyond the capabilities of the average computer user.
Which is untrue because I have seen avarage users doing productive work for their jobs on Ubuntu.
Windows works. [...]
Default drivers work? No. Security works? No. OpenGL works? No. Rendering web pages correctly with the Windows browser works? No. DVD playback works? No. Compatible with older hardware? No.
Wow, I guess nothing works unless you fix everything with external software.
[...]Maybe not for you.[...]
Think about the last time an avarge user liked Windows.
[...]The fact that a product isn't well suited for a power user[...]
What fact? Ubuntu is suited for the avarage user
[...] does *not* make it the worst product in the world.
The fact that it is made to earn money instead of evolving computing in a digital age '*does*' make it suck. Oh and Linux is not a product; it is a profitless project.
The company may have had a bad influence on the computer world, but its OS isn't as bad as people make it out to be.
You're right; it's even worse. Where shall we start? Shall we start with the NSA backdoors, the DRM, the artificialy high mininal system requirements, the ad-ridden Live Messenger, the crash of the NYSE after paying money to the NYSE so they could downgrade to Windows, the attempts at screwing the OLPC project so children in Africa couldn't be part of the digital age, errr...? There are just too many points to write down here.
Most problems that people comment on are issues that rarely will ever effect the normal user.
Like what issues? The BSODs in the first year of Vista? The remote exploits? The virusses and the malware? The system requirements? I'm not really sure what you mean here...
Stop bashing something because it wasn't designed for you, but for someone else.
Ah, so contrary to Windows, Fedora was designed for me? Cool, but very untrue. Ubuntu is designed for the avarage user. Windows is clearly not. You see, Windows is the only OS that is actually designed solely for programmers and for money. That way they could get everyone to code for Windows, but those days are now gone.
You're not the center of the universe.
That's because the universe doesn't have a center, otherwise...
Considdering the fact that they bought a computer with Vista preloaded, they probabbly have lived in the "I need a computer, but I don't like computers"-cave.
Dude, get over the fact that you fail at switching away from the worst OS ever concieved that did more damage to computing in general than people could have ever thought.
Why are you being such a crybaby by defending a sucking commercial product created by a commercial company that tries to lock you in, drain you and by that fucking you in any way it possibly can?
Windows was, still is, and will always be the worst OS ever concieved and if every application worked on every platform than you (and everybody else) would never ever use it. As a matter of fact, the only reason people switch between Windows versions is because they upgrade to a faster computer that has the latest piece of digitally incarnated shit on it preloaded.
Or, they want to keep their Office cash cow for when nobody will switch to Viena just like nobody switched to Vista (except for a few out there).
Iirc, I've read on another Dutch tech website that Office for Web is just a web frontend to the MS Office backend that needs to be installed localy on a PC.
Whatever happens, Windows is going down anyways... Maybe not at this very time, but somewhere in the future when Linux and Apple gain more traction.
At first they create something that is accesible by everyone. Then, when everyone is locked in product, they will do the same thing with Hotmail: sniff web agents and deny acces to everyone running Linux. When this happens, people will start to use fake user agents. After their "switch to Windows" attempt has failed, Microshit will 'evolve' MS Office for Web(TM) with releasing a newer version with 'extended capabilities' that requires the latest IE rendering crap on order to properly view the 'web app'. Then everyone will start installing the latest IE with Wine. When that happens they will release OOXML2(R)(TM)(c) which is a proprietary web format that only works with the latest IE, but hey, if you want an open standard, then why don't you save your documents in OOXML1?/sarcasm.
Ever even heard of evolution? Those who survive and multiply add their genes to the pool. Back in the day when humans lived in tribes, there were leaders (highest in rank - alpha males).
You really think that trying to seek power by rising higher than everyone else in the rank-ladder of a tribe means that they have a disorder? I can only conclude that psychiatry is largely malfunctioning. If only for the fact that we still don't know shit about the human brain and that psychiatric treatment is constantly making 180's...
Media center backend (my pc) and a Media center frontend (old Laptop behind my pc). id Software games natively and Win32 games under wine. Browsing the web (read/., read email, etc). Download and watch episodes of tv series. Listen to online radio. Download and play music and also put it on my mp3 player. Instant messaging with friends. Doing work for school with OpenOffice.org. QCAD for CAD work for school (we can chose any CAD app that we want). Watching DVD discs. VoIP with video from my webcam (rarely, but I use it sometimes).
Am I forgetting something? Nice talking to you Steve Ballmer:P
I need internet for socialising with my friends, watching news, listening to radio, watch TV and play games. Oh my god I am addicted! Oh my god I am ill!
For most home users, it's all about familiarity, and it'll take a few more decades to dethrone MS in that regard.
So much people are saying that! Yet the avarage computer user doesn't understand shit about the Windows user interface, even after all these years. Whenever you give them Gnome and a little explanation they understand it all.
Do you see the problem? If the average user would have the 'computer IQ' to learn the Windows GUI than they have the ability to learn a new one in no time. The people who don't have the required 'computer IQ' can't learn the Windows GUI in the first place.
Saying that they can never switch from Windows is already proved wrong by the amount of new Apple computer customers.
FTFA you posted: Mesa sucks because of no full HWA OpenGL2.1. What version of OpenGL did Vista allow you to run again? Goog luck doing anything OpenGL>1.4 in the current and upcomming Windows versions. That said: Linux kicks Windows in the balls. But wait... don't the X11 drivers support MESA? Oh wait so my OpenGL KDE4 WM is powered by a HWA MESA? So much for the innacurate troll article you posted...
you very much. I don't why I didn't of that myself.^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h
that for you.
Can't do 51 times ^H -> "Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING."
Yes it does. The entire reason most people switch from Windows to Linux nowadays is because Linux works better under the hood (security, stability and in this case; speed).
I installed Ubuntu 8.10 for my dad on his laptop. His needs are very basic: Office 2003 (Word, Excel, Powerpoint and Visio needed, Publisher would be nice but it's not a requirement), Photomanager, Quake4 and ET:QW, iPod app(s)(Add/remove/edit files, create playlists and manage photos), web browser (IE compatible, flash), audio player, movie player (that can also play protected DVD's)
Installing (read: make everything work flawlessly and integrate it into the desktop) Office 2003 with Wine 1.17 was a pain in the behind, but I didn't need to use the cmdline to make it work (yet I did because it's easyer). Fspot impressed my dad because according to him that's how a photomanager should be. Quake4 and ETQW are... id software! Easy money... This was with the latest and greatest(?) standard nVidia driver, which happens to work on a Quadro FX (is this wrong?)(oh and my dad doesn't need a Quadro FX but he just happens to have one). iPod apps are in place. Apple software is supposed to be easy, yet my dad still doesn't understand iTunes and he loves the easyness of these apps. Web browser is Firefox with adblock plus, the proprietary Adobe Flash 9 plugin and the fake user agent plugin (set to Opera on Windows Vista) for viewing Hotmail under Linux for example. Standard Ubuntu audio player with all additional common codecs I could find. Standard movie player works great with protected media when you sh a script somewhere hidden in Ubuntu that downloads and installs the required software for protected playback that is illegal in some countries. It works with the Star Wars digitaly remastered DVD's (my dad isn't a geek or a nerd or whatever but he loves Star Wars and Star Trek XD).
OK, conclusion? Everything works (TM) in Ubuntu but you have no chance in hell if you're a noob if you want to set up all the 'basic stuff'. Even if everybody switches to OpenDocument it's still not 'user-friendly' enough, but then again who can set up and properly configure a Windows box anyway? In other words: The year of Linux on the desktop is still too far away, if it ever comes.
Find another job you feel comfortable with. When you are asked why you want to quit your current job than say that your current company requires you to engage in illegal activity. Simple as that...
Girl fishing is easy: take care of your looks, be friendly but act as if you're not interested in love and sex, be funny (make jokes) and even when a girl likes you then pay no interest (have her girlfriend try, then let her girlfriend try, etc, etc). After a while you have a shitload of girls who like you. Now pick one. It's that fscking easy... Yet no one figured it out...
I catched all of the unknowns in Pokemon silver. Did you know that when you did that, you can print them with the GameBoy Pinter? It's sooooo cool... (not).
Just let the devices make a picture of totally random crap and mix that with sound from the mic (anything it's pointed at when you hold it in your hand) and exchange it between devices. Then let the app on both phones exhcange it and hash it (the exact image is in pixels so there is no way one could ever make an exact copy of that picture and sound). This way it's just a purely random, pure text generator...
This way it's not any different from the current connecting proces somebody goes through when connection two bluetooth phones. They won't even have the idea that a picture and sound is being made. Ofcourse don't store the freaking picture on the phone and remove it emediatly from memmory.
I am sorry for the harsh comment but this is/.. You are supposed to have the inteligence to come up with this kinda stuff yourself.
Obama wil also cure cancer patients by just showing them his face on TV. When he gets elected, beams from the heavens shall fall upon the evil lands of Iraq and make every terrorist loyal to the rightious USA. When he pees on your shoulder you will be happy for Obama giving you the eternal live. Burning in hell shallt anyone who will be elcting McCain for his white hair, which is also the color of the white rabbit. Follow the white rabbit and thou shallt be imprisonned by agent Smith, calling you "Miiiiisteeeeeerrr Anderrrrsooonn" instead of just Neo, which is your lame hacker name because you couldn't be at least a litle more creative.
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There was much more than marketing involved in the success that Microsoft had until this day.
It involved lies, false promises (yellow road to Cairo), lobbying for antisocial laws (DMCA), lock-in practices(WMV, MS Office files), FUD(agreement with Novell about patents), embrace, extend and extinguish and bying into the stock of competitors.
Apples success so far came from delivering a better product...
Mac OS doesn't work with nearly as much hardware as Windows does, or else it'd probably be about as stable as Windows and therefore not any 'better.'
Yeah my mobile phone OS also doesn't work on a Nokia. It's not like Windows Mobile works on an iPhone either... Your point?
Linux distributions are way beyond the capabilities of the average computer user.
Which is untrue because I have seen avarage users doing productive work for their jobs on Ubuntu.
Windows works. [...]
Default drivers work? No. Security works? No. OpenGL works? No. Rendering web pages correctly with the Windows browser works? No. DVD playback works? No. Compatible with older hardware? No.
Wow, I guess nothing works unless you fix everything with external software.
[...]Maybe not for you.[...]
Think about the last time an avarge user liked Windows.
[...]The fact that a product isn't well suited for a power user[...]
What fact? Ubuntu is suited for the avarage user
[...] does *not* make it the worst product in the world.
The fact that it is made to earn money instead of evolving computing in a digital age '*does*' make it suck. Oh and Linux is not a product; it is a profitless project.
The company may have had a bad influence on the computer world, but its OS isn't as bad as people make it out to be.
You're right; it's even worse. Where shall we start? Shall we start with the NSA backdoors, the DRM, the artificialy high mininal system requirements, the ad-ridden Live Messenger, the crash of the NYSE after paying money to the NYSE so they could downgrade to Windows, the attempts at screwing the OLPC project so children in Africa couldn't be part of the digital age, errr...? There are just too many points to write down here.
Most problems that people comment on are issues that rarely will ever effect the normal user.
Like what issues? The BSODs in the first year of Vista? The remote exploits? The virusses and the malware? The system requirements? I'm not really sure what you mean here...
Stop bashing something because it wasn't designed for you, but for someone else.
Ah, so contrary to Windows, Fedora was designed for me? Cool, but very untrue. Ubuntu is designed for the avarage user. Windows is clearly not. You see, Windows is the only OS that is actually designed solely for programmers and for money. That way they could get everyone to code for Windows, but those days are now gone.
You're not the center of the universe.
That's because the universe doesn't have a center, otherwise...
Considdering the fact that they bought a computer with Vista preloaded, they probabbly have lived in the "I need a computer, but I don't like computers"-cave.
Slashdot crowd *loves* MSFT bashing doesnt it.
Dude, get over the fact that you fail at switching away from the worst OS ever concieved that did more damage to computing in general than people could have ever thought.
Why are you being such a crybaby by defending a sucking commercial product created by a commercial company that tries to lock you in, drain you and by that fucking you in any way it possibly can?
Windows was, still is, and will always be the worst OS ever concieved and if every application worked on every platform than you (and everybody else) would never ever use it. As a matter of fact, the only reason people switch between Windows versions is because they upgrade to a faster computer that has the latest piece of digitally incarnated shit on it preloaded.
Or, they want to keep their Office cash cow for when nobody will switch to Viena just like nobody switched to Vista (except for a few out there).
Iirc, I've read on another Dutch tech website that Office for Web is just a web frontend to the MS Office backend that needs to be installed localy on a PC.
Whatever happens, Windows is going down anyways... Maybe not at this very time, but somewhere in the future when Linux and Apple gain more traction.
At first they create something that is accesible by everyone. Then, when everyone is locked in product, they will do the same thing with Hotmail: sniff web agents and deny acces to everyone running Linux. When this happens, people will start to use fake user agents. After their "switch to Windows" attempt has failed, Microshit will 'evolve' MS Office for Web(TM) with releasing a newer version with 'extended capabilities' that requires the latest IE rendering crap on order to properly view the 'web app'. Then everyone will start installing the latest IE with Wine. When that happens they will release OOXML2(R)(TM)(c) which is a proprietary web format that only works with the latest IE, but hey, if you want an open standard, then why don't you save your documents in OOXML1?/sarcasm.
Another example of psychiatry gone too far...
Ever even heard of evolution? Those who survive and multiply add their genes to the pool. Back in the day when humans lived in tribes, there were leaders (highest in rank - alpha males).
You really think that trying to seek power by rising higher than everyone else in the rank-ladder of a tribe means that they have a disorder? I can only conclude that psychiatry is largely malfunctioning. If only for the fact that we still don't know shit about the human brain and that psychiatric treatment is constantly making 180's...
Media center backend (my pc) and a Media center frontend (old Laptop behind my pc). id Software games natively and Win32 games under wine. Browsing the web (read /., read email, etc). Download and watch episodes of tv series. Listen to online radio. Download and play music and also put it on my mp3 player. Instant messaging with friends. Doing work for school with OpenOffice.org. QCAD for CAD work for school (we can chose any CAD app that we want). Watching DVD discs. VoIP with video from my webcam (rarely, but I use it sometimes).
Am I forgetting something? Nice talking to you Steve Ballmer :P
XPDE
Oh I think I have to get a second $647 Radeon 4870 X2 card (2+2=4GB).
Yes I have a dual core 2GB RAM graphics card...
I need internet for socialising with my friends, watching news, listening to radio, watch TV and play games. Oh my god I am addicted! Oh my god I am ill!
Fucktards^2
Oh wait... that was from way back when I was still using Microsoft products.
For most home users, it's all about familiarity, and it'll take a few more decades to dethrone MS in that regard.
So much people are saying that! Yet the avarage computer user doesn't understand shit about the Windows user interface, even after all these years. Whenever you give them Gnome and a little explanation they understand it all.
Do you see the problem? If the average user would have the 'computer IQ' to learn the Windows GUI than they have the ability to learn a new one in no time. The people who don't have the required 'computer IQ' can't learn the Windows GUI in the first place.
Saying that they can never switch from Windows is already proved wrong by the amount of new Apple computer customers.
FTFA you posted: Mesa sucks because of no full HWA OpenGL2.1. What version of OpenGL did Vista allow you to run again? Goog luck doing anything OpenGL>1.4 in the current and upcomming Windows versions. That said: Linux kicks Windows in the balls. But wait... don't the X11 drivers support MESA? Oh wait so my OpenGL KDE4 WM is powered by a HWA MESA? So much for the innacurate troll article you posted...
you very much. I don't why I didn't of that myself.^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h
that for you.
Can't do 51 times ^H -> "Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING."
Yes it does. The entire reason most people switch from Windows to Linux nowadays is because Linux works better under the hood (security, stability and in this case; speed).
Yes, she'll be interested in your wallet, and not you !
I installed Ubuntu 8.10 for my dad on his laptop. His needs are very basic: Office 2003 (Word, Excel, Powerpoint and Visio needed, Publisher would be nice but it's not a requirement), Photomanager, Quake4 and ET:QW, iPod app(s)(Add/remove/edit files, create playlists and manage photos), web browser (IE compatible, flash), audio player, movie player (that can also play protected DVD's)
Installing (read: make everything work flawlessly and integrate it into the desktop) Office 2003 with Wine 1.17 was a pain in the behind, but I didn't need to use the cmdline to make it work (yet I did because it's easyer). Fspot impressed my dad because according to him that's how a photomanager should be. Quake4 and ETQW are... id software! Easy money... This was with the latest and greatest(?) standard nVidia driver, which happens to work on a Quadro FX (is this wrong?)(oh and my dad doesn't need a Quadro FX but he just happens to have one). iPod apps are in place. Apple software is supposed to be easy, yet my dad still doesn't understand iTunes and he loves the easyness of these apps. Web browser is Firefox with adblock plus, the proprietary Adobe Flash 9 plugin and the fake user agent plugin (set to Opera on Windows Vista) for viewing Hotmail under Linux for example. Standard Ubuntu audio player with all additional common codecs I could find. Standard movie player works great with protected media when you sh a script somewhere hidden in Ubuntu that downloads and installs the required software for protected playback that is illegal in some countries. It works with the Star Wars digitaly remastered DVD's (my dad isn't a geek or a nerd or whatever but he loves Star Wars and Star Trek XD).
OK, conclusion? Everything works (TM) in Ubuntu but you have no chance in hell if you're a noob if you want to set up all the 'basic stuff'. Even if everybody switches to OpenDocument it's still not 'user-friendly' enough, but then again who can set up and properly configure a Windows box anyway? In other words: The year of Linux on the desktop is still too far away, if it ever comes.
Find another job you feel comfortable with. When you are asked why you want to quit your current job than say that your current company requires you to engage in illegal activity. Simple as that...
Girl fishing is easy: take care of your looks, be friendly but act as if you're not interested in love and sex, be funny (make jokes) and even when a girl likes you then pay no interest (have her girlfriend try, then let her girlfriend try, etc, etc). After a while you have a shitload of girls who like you. Now pick one. It's that fscking easy... Yet no one figured it out...
"Lucie! Lucie! Gimme Lucie!"
Are you sure it's just an open WEP secured hotspot? Because if it is not, then the Ubuntu wireless stack has nothing to do with failure...
I catched all of the unknowns in Pokemon silver. Did you know that when you did that, you can print them with the GameBoy Pinter? It's sooooo cool... (not).
Just let the devices make a picture of totally random crap and mix that with sound from the mic (anything it's pointed at when you hold it in your hand) and exchange it between devices. Then let the app on both phones exhcange it and hash it (the exact image is in pixels so there is no way one could ever make an exact copy of that picture and sound). This way it's just a purely random, pure text generator...
This way it's not any different from the current connecting proces somebody goes through when connection two bluetooth phones. They won't even have the idea that a picture and sound is being made. Ofcourse don't store the freaking picture on the phone and remove it emediatly from memmory.
I am sorry for the harsh comment but this is /.. You are supposed to have the inteligence to come up with this kinda stuff yourself.
Obama wil also cure cancer patients by just showing them his face on TV. When he gets elected, beams from the heavens shall fall upon the evil lands of Iraq and make every terrorist loyal to the rightious USA. When he pees on your shoulder you will be happy for Obama giving you the eternal live. Burning in hell shallt anyone who will be elcting McCain for his white hair, which is also the color of the white rabbit. Follow the white rabbit and thou shallt be imprisonned by agent Smith, calling you "Miiiiisteeeeeerrr Anderrrrsooonn" instead of just Neo, which is your lame hacker name because you couldn't be at least a litle more creative.