Actually, I think ettiz was speaking of a ecological desert, not an after-dinner dish. Though it would have (IMO) been funnier if someone corrected him with some Romanian version of apple cobbler or what have you.:D
The problem is that science is not their goal, controversy is.
Hmmm... controversy is a tool towards their goal, but not the end-goal. The end-goal is that everyone agrees with them, and that their ideas are propagated by law.
Actually, there is considerable disagreement on both theory and paradigm levels of the argument. In the minds of some Creationists, science is itself defective because it only deals with natural phenomena. They view materialism and naturalism as flawed methodologies.
It probably sounds like BS to you, and it definitely sounds like BS to me, but that's where some anti-evolutionists make their stand.
Seriously, there is one other thing to remember--a skylight. What good is it to run even "green" electricity in the daytime if you have sunlight available for the job?
The matter of the fact is that I've been simply trying to make a point that while it is true this kid committed something immoral and possibly illegal, the scope of punishment, even if it is "just" a few years of jailtime, is not in balance with the seriousness of his crime.
ABMind, I'm not sure if you read the "fine article," but one of the entries on his list of crimes is six counts of burglary--and I'm not talking about hacking, I'm talking kicking down a door (or whatever method he used). That's a pretty serious offense in the eyes of the law, and yeah, if he gets a couple of years in jail, he "bought it at the store his own self."
Now, what's probably going to happen is that he'll get time served (Mommie and Daddie aren't bailing him out, remember), probation (probably with some ridiculous "Don't touch computers" clause), community service, a hefty fine, restitution, and court costs. The penalty quoted in TFA is the absolute worst case scenario, but I don't reckon there's even a snowball's chance in hell he'll actually serve a tenth of the 38 year maximum.
I quite agree that 38 years is too much. But--call me hard-hearted if you choose--I do hope he gets more than a slap on the wrist.
There is nothing equivocational (oh gaed, I always wanted to say that!) about this.
Hey, the word itself is worth geek points!
Look at it this way--I'm not sure of where he's from, but with a name like that it is quite possible he's from an area that practices Sharia law. Under Sharia law, burglary can get you a death sentence, depending on the circumstances.
The upper limit for someone breaking into a school and modifying grades on the school computer is 38 years in prison, apparently. That is preposterous.
Again, this will probably sound hard-hearted--but stupidity has its own rewards. Omar Khan is about to reap as he has sewn--fortunately for him, the "harvest" will be considerably lighter than it could otherwise be.
Yeah, I know--but it's occasionally refreshing to vent when stupid people make stupid mistakes, suits like the jerkwad at Sandvine want to sell them a "solution," and people like me get stuck with the bill.
For every five megabits they sell you for $40, they buy a quarter of a megabit because they're planning on you not using your computer 24/7. They count on you being away at work or being asleep. They simply cannot provision that five megabits because that costs way more than what they're selling it to you for. They need people not using the internet for it to work at $40 a month. (Emphasis added)
So let me get this straight--poor planning on their part somehow does constitute some form of emergency on my part?
American criminal jurisprudence is not intended to be equitable, but punitive--it is civil courts, not criminal courts, that deal with issues of equity. And breaking and entering is a lot more severe than "hacking a high school."
If you're non-American, there's certainly reason to understand why you might not understand the distinction (though I'll bet a dollar to a stale doughnut that whatever country you come from has an almost identical system). And if you are American, perhaps Civics class was not the most propitious time to practice recto-cranial insertion.
Oh, goody: A_beautiful_mind has learned a new skill. Can everybody say "equivocation"?
The student in question chose to do not one, but a series of illegal acts, including breaking and entering (a felony any way you look at it). Yes, he's in a shitload of trouble--not because he offended somebody, but because he broke the law.
They have eviscerated the fourth amendment without so much as a peep from the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court cannot so much as peep until and unless a case is brought before them.
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The article was a plug for solar, which is something Greenpeace probably agrees with--this week, at least. Next week may be a different story. :-)
I would assume that the universe itself would qualify, as any set A is a subset of itself.
Romanian doughnuts! Oooohh!
Transfer them to the business school. Where they'll probably get extra credit for their managerial skills.
Actually, I think ettiz was speaking of a ecological desert, not an after-dinner dish. Though it would have (IMO) been funnier if someone corrected him with some Romanian version of apple cobbler or what have you. :D
Um ... whoosh?!?!
Paris Hilton has cleavage? A couple of bandaids and some Clearasil would fix that!
About one quarter of the world doesn't have electricity. (1.6 B according to IEA, 2 B according to Greenpeace).
Hmmm ... controversy is a tool towards their goal, but not the end-goal. The end-goal is that everyone agrees with them, and that their ideas are propagated by law.
Excuse me--you're correct, and I mis-stated. Thanks. :)
Actually, there is considerable disagreement on both theory and paradigm levels of the argument. In the minds of some Creationists, science is itself defective because it only deals with natural phenomena. They view materialism and naturalism as flawed methodologies.
It probably sounds like BS to you, and it definitely sounds like BS to me, but that's where some anti-evolutionists make their stand.
Well, there goes Slashdot's whole purpose for existence.
Collars, a song about that very supposition.
You forgot "4. Profit!!!"
Seriously, there is one other thing to remember--a skylight. What good is it to run even "green" electricity in the daytime if you have sunlight available for the job?
ABMind, I'm not sure if you read the "fine article," but one of the entries on his list of crimes is six counts of burglary--and I'm not talking about hacking, I'm talking kicking down a door (or whatever method he used). That's a pretty serious offense in the eyes of the law, and yeah, if he gets a couple of years in jail, he "bought it at the store his own self."
Now, what's probably going to happen is that he'll get time served (Mommie and Daddie aren't bailing him out, remember), probation (probably with some ridiculous "Don't touch computers" clause), community service, a hefty fine, restitution, and court costs. The penalty quoted in TFA is the absolute worst case scenario, but I don't reckon there's even a snowball's chance in hell he'll actually serve a tenth of the 38 year maximum.
I quite agree that 38 years is too much. But--call me hard-hearted if you choose--I do hope he gets more than a slap on the wrist.
There is nothing equivocational (oh gaed, I always wanted to say that!) about this.Hey, the word itself is worth geek points!
Look at it this way--I'm not sure of where he's from, but with a name like that it is quite possible he's from an area that practices Sharia law. Under Sharia law, burglary can get you a death sentence, depending on the circumstances.
The upper limit for someone breaking into a school and modifying grades on the school computer is 38 years in prison, apparently. That is preposterous.Again, this will probably sound hard-hearted--but stupidity has its own rewards. Omar Khan is about to reap as he has sewn--fortunately for him, the "harvest" will be considerably lighter than it could otherwise be.
Yeah, I know--but it's occasionally refreshing to vent when stupid people make stupid mistakes, suits like the jerkwad at Sandvine want to sell them a "solution," and people like me get stuck with the bill.
From TFA:
For every five megabits they sell you for $40, they buy a quarter of a megabit because they're planning on you not using your computer 24/7. They count on you being away at work or being asleep. They simply cannot provision that five megabits because that costs way more than what they're selling it to you for. They need people not using the internet for it to work at $40 a month. (Emphasis added)So let me get this straight--poor planning on their part somehow does constitute some form of emergency on my part?
American criminal jurisprudence is not intended to be equitable, but punitive--it is civil courts, not criminal courts, that deal with issues of equity. And breaking and entering is a lot more severe than "hacking a high school."
If you're non-American, there's certainly reason to understand why you might not understand the distinction (though I'll bet a dollar to a stale doughnut that whatever country you come from has an almost identical system). And if you are American, perhaps Civics class was not the most propitious time to practice recto-cranial insertion.
Oh, goody: A_beautiful_mind has learned a new skill. Can everybody say "equivocation"?
The student in question chose to do not one, but a series of illegal acts, including breaking and entering (a felony any way you look at it). Yes, he's in a shitload of trouble--not because he offended somebody, but because he broke the law.
Um, Lars, just in case you didn't know--a "Stored-program computer" is a specific term, not a generic string of words.
How much trouble is it to ask people to read the fucking article. *headdesk* Waitaminit--this is Slashdot. My bad.
Doesn't work. (FireFox 3, User Agent Switcher).
And if your aunt had testicles, she would fit the description of "uncle."
Jeez, people, read the synopsis: the first three words are "Stored program computers." The Z3 was not a stored-program computer.
No, it's not: look at the Wikipedia history page on any contentious issue of your choice for the reason why.
I have to admit, I sort-of expected a new /. mod category: "-1: Too mentally disturbing to contemplate."