Wait, so now my internet connection is like a gun? And besides, what's wrong with leaving my gun on the table? I always leave it there - then again, I *do* live in California...
Well in the eyes of US law it is an object or a tool (or a service, depending on which aspect you're talking about) but I'm surprised you can leave your gun on the table in Cali:) They won't even let you smoke in public, unless you're beheading ex-wives, or shooting them (or some other woman) in the face..
As far as I know that defense probably wouldn't work. It's akin to leaving your gun on the kitchen table. In the US, the use of various tools implies knowledge & responsible handling. Unless you live in California where you can get away with anything.
What if I sell coffee out of my kitchen window ? Could I then claim to be an Internet Cafe, and not liable for my customer's actions ? Or is this yet another right which only companies over a certain size rather than real human beings have ?
Once you have a business license and proper permits for operating a commercial business in a residential zone then you can claim that but even then, these businesses you speak of are still liable. Have you ever read their TOS when you connect to their WIFI?
IANAL, but that strikes me as absurd -- when I lived in San Francisco there were free (as in gratis) WiFi access points all over, many left that way by businesses for their customers. Now in rural GA I do leave my WiFi unsecured for my neighbors, and I am criminally liable? That makes no sense at all.
If you knowingly leave an object in a public place which is then used for illegal purposes in the USA then you are just as liable as the person who used it for those purposes. If you don't believe me, try it out. There's no need for an argument about such things, it's a simple fact. If you're not willing to go down the road and try it out, why not call a lawyer and ask? These matters have been set by precedent in the USA over and over again. I've worked for several businesses, I've never seen one with public wifi that did not have some crazy waiver of liability in their TOS when using their WIFI and if they don't they're quite naive.
As far as I know that defense probably wouldn't work. It's akin to leaving your gun on the kitchen table. In the US, the use of various tools implies knowledge & responsible handling. Unless you live in California where you can get away with anything.
Hmm. So you're saying that me sharing my wifi with my neighbors is irresponsible? I thought it was called "being nice".
You are completely misrepresenting what I said. Sharing is not irresponsible. If you want to share with your neighbors, encrypt the connection and give them the key. That is responsible and nice.
Isn't it possible just to claim your wireless access point was left open and that someone else was using your wireless without your consent or knowledge?
As far as I know that defense probably wouldn't work. It's akin to leaving your gun on the kitchen table. In the US, the use of various tools implies knowledge & responsible handling. Unless you live in California where you can get away with anything.
so is Don Lapre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Lapre) this is the joke I'm referencing for all those who think I'm utterly without humor... I guess you had to be there...
Google fights scrutiny with scrutiny (and by having more PHDs than you).
Never fear! Eventually the weight of all their paper geniuses will fail to be supported by theoretical bullshit READ: all these geniuses and their cash cow are these little tiny ads??? I saw an infomercial once like that in college...
Well I mean, the stories are out there. You can google them yourself and choose to believe them or not. What do you want, packet inspection logs?
Unfortunately whenever I do search for these, I only find uncorroborated claims made by cantankerous consumers (a la the consumerist) with way too many assumptions and gripes by users who are all too obviously complaining because whatever piracy they were committing was thwarted by such traffic shaping.
Alas, we are getting waay too offtopic for this thread though:) I'll continue to search for convincing articles but so far I think I've only found 2.
I'm all about the whistle-blowing but the mindset of newsmedia these days is way too focused on mob-mentality of truth determination (look @ digg for a perfect example) and I am by nature skeptical (not cynical) of anything I hear. This sky-is-falling mentality of whistle-blowers these days has unfortunately hurt the overall credibility of such complaints.
To be fair, GPP was referring to Linux on the desktop. With the exception of gaming, the examples you game were not desktop apps - And most gamers use Windows.
Fair enough:) Though I doubt we'll foresee much headway into the gaming market anytime soon what with the prohibitive entry price points on graphics cards these days, only rich kids can afford to play computer games (let alone console games!) unless the market moves towards the Apple crowd (doubtful, they are too busy being cool) we probably won't see much gaming on the Linux platform.
In industry? Lots (I'm not going to bother to list, we all know where to look) of companies use OSS technologies for routing, traffic shaping, VPN, etc...
In commerce? I've seen countless websites run on Apache which I've bought products from, you?
In the media? In the home?
Tivo uses Linux, plenty of games use Vorbis...
I'm sure plenty of people could come up with better examples than I have. Maybe you're looking for huge sweeping changes at once but generally these changes are small and over time. They'll likely become more visible in a way that is pleasing to you in the next 10 years.
To whoever is modding me flamebait, why not provide me some confirmed examples of all this traffic shaping? All I am saying is that I'm a heavy user & I've never encountered these issues that people complain about with Comcast. I'm not saying they're not happening- just that it's never happened to me & I'm definitely a legit user of their services, not some hobo-pirate. So please, show me some confirmed examples where Comcast has stifled legitimate traffic. I'd really like to know because I would not want to use a service that does but I'm not going to complain blindly.:)
I upload & download tons on Comcast's network. OTOH I don't pirate software or music. Really, I make heavy use of the bandwidth given me (routine full load) and I've never received any of these notices, any sort of throttling or anything else. Is there a site with all the assumed proff of all this Comcast badness going on that I can look at?
I'd be impressed if the loudest complainers weren't some sort of thieving pirate.
I'm about as far from any sort of religious person, and I still enjoyed the hell (hur hur) out of the Ten Commandments as a good movie adaptation of a book, despite the subject matter.
I gotta agree with this. I believe the bible to be nothing more than an allegory... I think that Heston's 10 Commandments is one of the greatest films ever.
Saying you don't like the movie because it's based on a book (which many people believe is defacto-true for some bizarre reason) is like saying you disliked LOTR because it's based on a book (which many people act like it may as well be true) when you really should be hating LOTR because it sucks:)
just like the article says, it's not like it's going to make your app run any faster. In fact, with tday's machines, 64 bit will probably run slower than 32 bit...
to make my life more complicated than it all ready is. To give me more ways to waste time than I all ready have. To give me something that will suck down repair fees because my small children screwed it up. This sounds like an awful idea for anyone who is not gay, doesn't live in SF and who doesn't have tons of disposable income. So what happens with the screen when I plop down my bowl of ice cream on it? What will happen when my kids spill their food on it?
depends... are you going for "bad movie" or "bad movie with partial nudity"?
At least with the partial nudity you also get an amusing storyline, Michael Madsen, Ben Kingsley and a movie that goes someplace. with the "bad movie" you get some fake-good actor like "Liam Neeson" the WORST fanbase of anything in the world, and a move that goes NOWEHERE
No, our (and yours even more so) media would just like you to think that. I'm amazed that the rest of the world thinks they're so spot-on about Americans when your media arguably distorts facts in an even more insidious and twisted fashion than ours does. Seriously guys, come on, are you this naive?
Really!! While I don't have a list of instances on hand, I'm sure we can all think of different moments where someone or something was "guarding" anything when really the guarding was really just a method of censoring or suppressing some sort of information.
I hear that Hillary is looking for a Gordon Libby type figure, this guy may be a great choice for her.
So it seems, as long as the choice is *NOT* Microsoft.
Take the guy who did Linux boot benchmarking -- it quickly resulted in optimizations of the process.
Unless we're discussing the scheduler!!
Now try to do the same with Apple. Apple is about the "experience".
Unfortunately the experience involves giving up even more freedom than a GPL license or MS involves!:)
I've never seen a fan reply to the complaint of the iPod's lack of ability to play Ogg Vorbis as "You know, they should really include that".
The should include it but won't & for good reason, the Vorbis codec is rapidly becoming dated and was almost all hype. Whatever happened to bitrate peeling anyway? I love FLAC:)
If it was a Linux device somebody would have added that within a month of the iPod's release.
You can run Linux & Vorbis under iPodLinux.
But seriously... I prefer the Zune interface & if they ever get around to ramping up the capacity & vastly improving their playlists to equal or better than the iPod then I'lljump ship in a heartbeat. Of course I sure do miss the ability to record with my Nomad Jukebox3! That was the bomb diggity...
The article says that Steve Job's evil ways are still useful in cranking out a product which people (like you) will buy. You as customer don't really care if people died during the process.
I think this quote applies to Steve Jobs... from Seinfeld, SIDRA: He said she's mentally ill. He's one of those guys who is obsessed with neatness and order? Everything has gotta be just so. He would have made a great Nazi.
I know you're a troll, but how does enforcing your copyright the same as: "lower yourself to other litigious morons and abuse tort"?
Interesting. I neither identified myself as one nor have I intentionally gone out of my way to offend someone. Normally I would love to know what your reasoning is but then I would be, "feeding the troll" so to speak!:)
I guess you're one of those people who really doesn't understand what FOSS is?
Fortunately I am and (fortunately again) I advocate it whole-heartedly! I guess you're one of those people who really doesn't understand sarcasm and obvious humor then?
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Wait, so now my internet connection is like a gun? And besides, what's wrong with leaving my gun on the table? I always leave it there - then again, I *do* live in California...
Well in the eyes of US law it is an object or a tool (or a service, depending on which aspect you're talking about) but I'm surprised you can leave your gun on the table in Cali
As far as I know that defense probably wouldn't work. It's akin to leaving your gun on the kitchen table. In the US, the use of various tools implies knowledge & responsible handling. Unless you live in California where you can get away with anything.
What if I sell coffee out of my kitchen window ? Could I then claim to be an Internet Cafe, and not liable for my customer's actions ? Or is this yet another right which only companies over a certain size rather than real human beings have ?
Once you have a business license and proper permits for operating a commercial business in a residential zone then you can claim that but even then, these businesses you speak of are still liable. Have you ever read their TOS when you connect to their WIFI?
IANAL, but that strikes me as absurd -- when I lived in San Francisco there were free (as in gratis) WiFi access points all over, many left that way by businesses for their customers. Now in rural GA I do leave my WiFi unsecured for my neighbors, and I am criminally liable? That makes no sense at all.
If you knowingly leave an object in a public place which is then used for illegal purposes in the USA then you are just as liable as the person who used it for those purposes. If you don't believe me, try it out. There's no need for an argument about such things, it's a simple fact. If you're not willing to go down the road and try it out, why not call a lawyer and ask? These matters have been set by precedent in the USA over and over again. I've worked for several businesses, I've never seen one with public wifi that did not have some crazy waiver of liability in their TOS when using their WIFI and if they don't they're quite naive.
As far as I know that defense probably wouldn't work. It's akin to leaving your gun on the kitchen table. In the US, the use of various tools implies knowledge & responsible handling. Unless you live in California where you can get away with anything.
Hmm. So you're saying that me sharing my wifi with my neighbors is irresponsible? I thought it was called "being nice".
You are completely misrepresenting what I said. Sharing is not irresponsible. If you want to share with your neighbors, encrypt the connection and give them the key. That is responsible and nice.
Isn't it possible just to claim your wireless access point was left open and that someone else was using your wireless without your consent or knowledge?
As far as I know that defense probably wouldn't work. It's akin to leaving your gun on the kitchen table. In the US, the use of various tools implies knowledge & responsible handling. Unless you live in California where you can get away with anything.
from the article:
"this technology is so easy a grandmother could use it"
As a 48 yo grandmother, and C programmer, I find that offensive.
By that logic you would find the statement that it's so easy yet a grandmother couldn't use it less offensive?
b4 anyone freaks out on me with more troll mods I realize parent was being funny
so is Don Lapre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Lapre) this is the joke I'm referencing for all those who think I'm utterly without humor... I guess you had to be there...
Whoever modded me troll must have a PhD & work for Google :)
Good luck selling those tiny little ads!!
Google fights scrutiny with scrutiny (and by having more PHDs than you).
Never fear! Eventually the weight of all their paper geniuses will fail to be supported by theoretical bullshit READ: all these geniuses and their cash cow are these little tiny ads??? I saw an infomercial once like that in college...
They're basically a criminal organisation according to EU law. I don't want to deal with an organisation that habitually breaks the law.
What if the law is the systematic extermination or unjust persecution of a group of people?
Well I mean, the stories are out there. You can google them yourself and choose to believe them or not. What do you want, packet inspection logs?
Unfortunately whenever I do search for these, I only find uncorroborated claims made by cantankerous consumers (a la the consumerist) with way too many assumptions and gripes by users who are all too obviously complaining because whatever piracy they were committing was thwarted by such traffic shaping.
Alas, we are getting waay too offtopic for this thread though
I'm all about the whistle-blowing but the mindset of newsmedia these days is way too focused on mob-mentality of truth determination (look @ digg for a perfect example) and I am by nature skeptical (not cynical) of anything I hear. This sky-is-falling mentality of whistle-blowers these days has unfortunately hurt the overall credibility of such complaints.
To be fair, GPP was referring to Linux on the desktop. With the exception of gaming, the examples you game were not desktop apps - And most gamers use Windows.
Fair enough
What acceptance, where?
Let us see...
In industry?
Lots (I'm not going to bother to list, we all know where to look) of companies use OSS technologies for routing, traffic shaping, VPN, etc...
In commerce?
I've seen countless websites run on Apache which I've bought products from, you?
In the media?
In the home?
Tivo uses Linux, plenty of games use Vorbis...
I'm sure plenty of people could come up with better examples than I have. Maybe you're looking for huge sweeping changes at once but generally these changes are small and over time. They'll likely become more visible in a way that is pleasing to you in the next 10 years.
To whoever is modding me flamebait, why not provide me some confirmed examples of all this traffic shaping? All I am saying is that I'm a heavy user & I've never encountered these issues that people complain about with Comcast. I'm not saying they're not happening- just that it's never happened to me & I'm definitely a legit user of their services, not some hobo-pirate. So please, show me some confirmed examples where Comcast has stifled legitimate traffic. I'd really like to know because I would not want to use a service that does but I'm not going to complain blindly. :)
I upload & download tons on Comcast's network. OTOH I don't pirate software or music. Really, I make heavy use of the bandwidth given me (routine full load) and I've never received any of these notices, any sort of throttling or anything else. Is there a site with all the assumed proff of all this Comcast badness going on that I can look at?
I'd be impressed if the loudest complainers weren't some sort of thieving pirate.
I'm about as far from any sort of religious person, and I still enjoyed the hell (hur hur) out of the Ten Commandments as a good movie adaptation of a book, despite the subject matter.
I gotta agree with this. I believe the bible to be nothing more than an allegory... I think that Heston's 10 Commandments is one of the greatest films ever.
Saying you don't like the movie because it's based on a book (which many people believe is defacto-true for some bizarre reason) is like saying you disliked LOTR because it's based on a book (which many people act like it may as well be true) when you really should be hating LOTR because it sucks
just like the article says, it's not like it's going to make your app run any faster. In fact, with tday's machines, 64 bit will probably run slower than 32 bit...
You know that Michael Madsen and Ben Kingsley star in Uwe Bolle's "discrapungent" film BloodRayne
Yea, I had the misfortune of being dragged to that. So does the girl from T3 though.
to make my life more complicated than it all ready is. To give me more ways to waste time than I all ready have. To give me something that will suck down repair fees because my small children screwed it up. This sounds like an awful idea for anyone who is not gay, doesn't live in SF and who doesn't have tons of disposable income. So what happens with the screen when I plop down my bowl of ice cream on it? What will happen when my kids spill their food on it?
depends... are you going for "bad movie" or "bad movie with partial nudity"?
At least with the partial nudity you also get an amusing storyline, Michael Madsen, Ben Kingsley and a movie that goes someplace. with the "bad movie" you get some fake-good actor like "Liam Neeson" the WORST fanbase of anything in the world, and a move that goes NOWEHERE
Are all americans one dimensional
No, our (and yours even more so) media would just like you to think that. I'm amazed that the rest of the world thinks they're so spot-on about Americans when your media arguably distorts facts in an even more insidious and twisted fashion than ours does. Seriously guys, come on, are you this naive?
Really!! While I don't have a list of instances on hand, I'm sure we can all think of different moments where someone or something was "guarding" anything when really the guarding was really just a method of censoring or suppressing some sort of information.
I hear that Hillary is looking for a Gordon Libby type figure, this guy may be a great choice for her.
IMO, the Linux zealots are less scary.
I'll agree with you on that
Linux is about freedom and choice.
So it seems, as long as the choice is *NOT* Microsoft.
Take the guy who did Linux boot benchmarking -- it quickly resulted in optimizations of the process.
Unless we're discussing the scheduler!!
Now try to do the same with Apple. Apple is about the "experience".
Unfortunately the experience involves giving up even more freedom than a GPL license or MS involves!
I've never seen a fan reply to the complaint of the iPod's lack of ability to play Ogg Vorbis as "You know, they should really include that".
The should include it but won't & for good reason, the Vorbis codec is rapidly becoming dated and was almost all hype. Whatever happened to bitrate peeling anyway? I love FLAC
If it was a Linux device somebody would have added that within a month of the iPod's release.
You can run Linux & Vorbis under iPodLinux.
But seriously... I prefer the Zune interface & if they ever get around to ramping up the capacity & vastly improving their playlists to equal or better than the iPod then I'lljump ship in a heartbeat. Of course I sure do miss the ability to record with my Nomad Jukebox3! That was the bomb diggity...
The article says that Steve Job's evil ways are still useful in cranking out a product which people (like you) will buy. You as customer don't really care if people died during the process.
I think this quote applies to Steve Jobs... from Seinfeld, SIDRA: He said she's mentally ill. He's one of those guys who is obsessed with neatness and order? Everything has gotta be just so. He would have made a great Nazi.
hehehe...
I know you're a troll, but how does enforcing your copyright the same as: "lower yourself to other litigious morons and abuse tort"?
Interesting. I neither identified myself as one nor have I intentionally gone out of my way to offend someone. Normally I would love to know what your reasoning is but then I would be, "feeding the troll" so to speak!
I guess you're one of those people who really doesn't understand what FOSS is?
Fortunately I am and (fortunately again) I advocate it whole-heartedly! I guess you're one of those people who really doesn't understand sarcasm and obvious humor then?