> And by using my software without paying for it, you are depriving me of money.
Get your head out of your ass.
Fact #1: I cannot afford the outrageous prices charged for most software Fact #2: Therefore I will not pay for any such software, meaning there is no money to be given to you Situation: I want to use "Software Package," just for shits & giggles, to see what it's like Action: I "borrow" a copy of it to use on my computer Result: Net change? zero, except some bits on my HD were flipped and I can play around with this software. Your bank account has not changed one bit, nor has mine. You have not suffered one bit because I copied "SP" (albeit illegally, I agree). You were not robbed, there's no f'ing way you were going to get that money to begin with. So don't give me this "I'm suffering because you copied my program" bullshit, it's not gonna work.
I will reiterate that I am NOT suggesting this is legal or should be, I am only pointing out that me using the software & me not using the software have the same end result for you, no matter the conditions, except some of my HD space is taken up.
I'm not condoning wholesale piracy of software; I am in charge of making sure every single piece of software we have is licensed, and I am 100% sure that they are. I don't even take that software home to use: if I want the same software I'll download a copy from home.
> A) You aren't paying for the software anyway so the publisher can't really lose business. > or > B) You aren't being spied on.
Not quite. You ARE being spied on regardless of whether it's cracked or not. It only reports back if it finds something worthy of reporting. It presumes guilt.
> It saddens me as a developer that you can't even deign to write a P2P add without the assumption that it will be used for sharing copyrighted materials
It saddens me that people can't be coerced into reading a single word of an article without jumping to conclusions. THEY ADMIT THE FUCKING PURPOSE IS TO STREAM MOVIES ILLEGALLY! Read The Fucking Article (since I obviously have to spell EVERYTHING out for you). It is some Arab people writing the software to SPECIFICALLY piss off MPAA/RIAA. Granted, I'll probably download a copy soon.
> the cost comes from all the difficulties in fragile, light bearing cables > The sponge's fiber optics won't solve those problems
Evidently you didn't read the part about them tying this organic "cable" in a knot with no problems. That's half of the point of the darn article. The other half is about the sodium doping.
> Gentlemen, I prove my point. Education is this country sucks
That proves nothing except that that guy doesn't need to know the capitols of every country in the world. Maybe it's not that education sucks, but that they are trying to teach too much useless crap. Most Americans will never meet a foreigner. Why should they need to speak their language, know the capitol of their country, recite average rainfalls for the past twentie years, or even point out any given country on a map? Capitols of states? That's different, an American usually travels between states at least once a year.
Of course, Europe is slightly different -- they are much smaller countries, and the people intermingle quite often. Let them learn the capitols of all the european countries.
> People only learn what they think they need to know immediately.
And what, exactly, is wrong with that?
> Why would you ever possibly want to know the capitol of Nigeria, or Iran? Why not?
1) (Why?) It's not that I don't want to know (I don't), but that I don't care. Except for Jeopardy & Trivial Pursuit, I'll never need to know.
2) (Why Not?) All the time spent learning all of this useless information could be spent learning things that actually apply to the world in which we live (not the planet on which we live, BIG difference). Yes, I mean useless unless you are going into specific fields, in which case more specific classes would teach you the things you NEED to know. Like if you're studying Political Science? Of course you'd need to know more geography & Foreign relations. What if I just want to write crappy web pages all my life? That time spent learning Spanish & German could have been spent learning Java, VB, PHP, whatever. Yes, these are similar excusess as a child explaining why they hate school, but sometimes children are the most wise.
Knowledge is power? -- I feel pretty powerless, considering the large amount of knowledge I have. Knowledge is not power, unless that knowledge is how to influence/manipulate people (which isn't necessarily bad or evil), how to debate & make use of logic. It is only power if you have the RIGHT knowledge, and right now, we are not teaching that to the children of the United States.
These are the kinds of things we need to teach children. Not the capitol of Lithuania, but how to think logically, critically, and open-mindedly, although most parents stop that from happening before school even starts); How to speak properly by not reinforcing the same grammar & sentence structure rules every year, but by teaching how to use the words properly, think about what they are actually saying, etc.
> an anti-litigation clause in the GPL? (sue -> lose your rights to the software)
I don't think that would be legal. I don't know WHY, but somehow it seems legally wrong to be refused access to software because you had a valid gripe about it. Just imagine: What would/. be saying if MS put that in their license? Anti-competitive practices, strong-arming their way out of potential lawsuits, etc.
> if you're worried about the money, target CORPORATE WELFARE. that's where it's bleeding > if you're worried about where the money goes, look there, rather than the pittance that makes its way to the homeless.
Well, that's a good point, one that I agree with, but didn't quite think of it that way. I guess I am more upset about who IS getting the money as opposed to who SHOULD be getting it. What I should have really been complaining about is that my tax dollars are going to people who have more money than I do (or to those with less of it who just throw it away, ie state lottery), when it should be going to those who need it and will actually use it to further themselves; at the very least by staying alive when they wouldn't have otherwise.
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> Try it, what have you got to lose
Your dignity. I lost mine long ago, however. Fuck SCO, the 5t00pId p00py 1u53r5!
> Glad to see that we're all mature here ...
I hope this isn't a recent revalation of yours.
> And by using my software without paying for it, you are depriving me of money.
Get your head out of your ass.
Fact #1: I cannot afford the outrageous prices charged for most software
Fact #2: Therefore I will not pay for any such software, meaning there is no money to be given to you
Situation: I want to use "Software Package," just for shits & giggles, to see what it's like
Action: I "borrow" a copy of it to use on my computer
Result: Net change? zero, except some bits on my HD were flipped and I can play around with this software. Your bank account has not changed one bit, nor has mine. You have not suffered one bit because I copied "SP" (albeit illegally, I agree). You were not robbed, there's no f'ing way you were going to get that money to begin with. So don't give me this "I'm suffering because you copied my program" bullshit, it's not gonna work.
I will reiterate that I am NOT suggesting this is legal or should be, I am only pointing out that me using the software & me not using the software have the same end result for you, no matter the conditions, except some of my HD space is taken up.
I'm not condoning wholesale piracy of software; I am in charge of making sure every single piece of software we have is licensed, and I am 100% sure that they are. I don't even take that software home to use: if I want the same software I'll download a copy from home.
> Utah software should be into the monogamy (multiple copy) thing ;-)
Mixed up your prefixes, that's polygamy.
> A) You aren't paying for the software anyway so the publisher can't really lose business.
> or
> B) You aren't being spied on.
Not quite. You ARE being spied on regardless of whether it's cracked or not. It only reports back if it finds something worthy of reporting. It presumes guilt.
Duh I'm a dolt. I meant tags
> I just don't agree that we're somehow separate from nature.
I agree. Maybe I should have used tags.
> No, the one in my class had a normal looking nose.
I thought most skeletons didn't have noses...
> All I see are multiple posts arguing over high-school text descriptions of refraction ("It says right here that light slows down!").
Funny, I see a few posts explaining that light doesn't slow down, just that some of the photons hit atoms to make it appear to slow down.
What IS the correct answer, then?
> It saddens me as a developer that you can't even deign to write a P2P add without the assumption that it will be used for sharing copyrighted materials
It saddens me that people can't be coerced into reading a single word of an article without jumping to conclusions. THEY ADMIT THE FUCKING PURPOSE IS TO STREAM MOVIES ILLEGALLY! Read The Fucking Article (since I obviously have to spell EVERYTHING out for you). It is some Arab people writing the software to SPECIFICALLY piss off MPAA/RIAA. Granted, I'll probably download a copy soon.
> Then reveal to us the correct answer, oh wise one.
If he did that, he'd get -5 redundant. Try reading outside of just 1 post.
> 1. pillage the oceans
2. Hire 3rd-world toddlers to splice the 7-inch fibers together.
> 3. profit!
> In other words, you'd still be perforated by the bullet, but the bullet would come back out.
Hey, then we can brnig crossbows back into popularity. That way, after killing someone, we can regain our ammo. Less expense! Send it to the DoD!
> the cost comes from all the difficulties in fragile, light bearing cables
> The sponge's fiber optics won't solve those problems
Evidently you didn't read the part about them tying this organic "cable" in a knot with no problems. That's half of the point of the darn article. The other half is about the sodium doping.
> You could daisy chain computers with it.
Granted, I'm no F.O. expert, but I don't think token-ring is the best use for Fiber Optics.
> Are you implying that we're not a part of nature?
Of course! Everything a human does is unnatural unless we are very uncomfortable doing it. Or if you can't make money from it.
> you obviously have not tried any recently - vegetarian burgers have greatly improved recently.
"Greatly improved" does not mean, or even imply "good." 1 is greater than 0, but when "good" is 1000, it's nothing.
> The entire questionare is almost certainly a hoax,
h tm
You, sir, are absolutely correct.
http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.
> Education? Well, let's consider. Here's a test that was actually given to 8th graders in 1895
Define education. Maybe you don't consider researching wild claims as a valid part of education.
What do I mean? Click this..
> Gentlemen, I prove my point. Education is this country sucks
That proves nothing except that that guy doesn't need to know the capitols of every country in the world. Maybe it's not that education sucks, but that they are trying to teach too much useless crap. Most Americans will never meet a foreigner. Why should they need to speak their language, know the capitol of their country, recite average rainfalls for the past twentie years, or even point out any given country on a map? Capitols of states? That's different, an American usually travels between states at least once a year.
Of course, Europe is slightly different -- they are much smaller countries, and the people intermingle quite often. Let them learn the capitols of all the european countries.
> People only learn what they think they need to know immediately.
And what, exactly, is wrong with that?
> Why would you ever possibly want to know the capitol of Nigeria, or Iran? Why not?
1) (Why?) It's not that I don't want to know (I don't), but that I don't care. Except for Jeopardy & Trivial Pursuit, I'll never need to know.
2) (Why Not?) All the time spent learning all of this useless information could be spent learning things that actually apply to the world in which we live (not the planet on which we live, BIG difference). Yes, I mean useless unless you are going into specific fields, in which case more specific classes would teach you the things you NEED to know. Like if you're studying Political Science? Of course you'd need to know more geography & Foreign relations. What if I just want to write crappy web pages all my life? That time spent learning Spanish & German could have been spent learning Java, VB, PHP, whatever. Yes, these are similar excusess as a child explaining why they hate school, but sometimes children are the most wise.
Knowledge is power? -- I feel pretty powerless, considering the large amount of knowledge I have. Knowledge is not power, unless that knowledge is how to influence/manipulate people (which isn't necessarily bad or evil), how to debate & make use of logic. It is only power if you have the RIGHT knowledge, and right now, we are not teaching that to the children of the United States.
These are the kinds of things we need to teach children. Not the capitol of Lithuania, but how to think logically, critically, and open-mindedly, although most parents stop that from happening before school even starts); How to speak properly by not reinforcing the same grammar & sentence structure rules every year, but by teaching how to use the words properly, think about what they are actually saying, etc.
> Yeah, but most of 'em cant vote...
True, but somehow they end up voting democrat anyway.
> why would anyone want to replace Davis and take the beating?
Maybe they think that they can start to turn things around. Granted, not much can be done in CA in 4 years, but you have to start somewhere.
> an anti-litigation clause in the GPL? (sue -> lose your rights to the software)
No, you were spying when you found out what was WRONG with the server (ie, "I spy something fscked!"). Then you fixed it.
> an anti-litigation clause in the GPL? (sue -> lose your rights to the software)
/. be saying if MS put that in their license? Anti-competitive practices, strong-arming their way out of potential lawsuits, etc.
I don't think that would be legal. I don't know WHY, but somehow it seems legally wrong to be refused access to software because you had a valid gripe about it. Just imagine: What would
> if you're worried about the money, target CORPORATE WELFARE. that's where it's bleeding
> if you're worried about where the money goes, look there, rather than the pittance that makes its way to the homeless.
Well, that's a good point, one that I agree with, but didn't quite think of it that way. I guess I am more upset about who IS getting the money as opposed to who SHOULD be getting it. What I should have really been complaining about is that my tax dollars are going to people who have more money than I do (or to those with less of it who just throw it away, ie state lottery), when it should be going to those who need it and will actually use it to further themselves; at the very least by staying alive when they wouldn't have otherwise.