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RIAA/MPAA vs. xMule Author, EarthStation 5
Two bits of news in the ongoing battle between the RIAA/MPAA and the rest of the internet: One P2P company, apparently based in Palestine, has thrown down the gauntlet to the movie industry. Meanwhile, a developer of another P2P tool who unwisely chose to live in the USA has been shut down (mirror) by the RIAA.
Could this be a Palestinian kick at the Jews they figure run Hollywood?
It's Christmas everyday with BitTorrent.
Its 11:15 EST... Where the heck is our daily SCO story, huh?
This is my sig. Its pathetic.
this is getting fucking ridiculous.
It saddens me as a developer that you can't even deign to write a P2P add without the assumption that it will be used for sharing copyrighted materials and thus shut down by the RIAA/MPAA. It's really amazing to see what lengths these bastards will go to to protect their industry after a major, earth-shattering shift in their profit model.
I urge everyone reading this to be very diligent in your boycott of buying new music or going to see movies. I haven't bought a CD in 22 months and haven't seen a movie since (believe it or not) 1999. You can't cheat and plead, just one movie! It's the Matrix! I have to see it. Nothing but the bottom line is going to get through to these people. If these folks don't get the message and soon, you may find yourself asking for permission to write anything on your machine that moves bits around.
Karma: Excellent Birds (mostly as a result of listening to Laurie Anderson)
Wow, not only do they feel the need to steal movies, but quotes within the movies as well!
Palestine isn't a nation, it is under Israeli occupation, and since Israel is allied with the US, it will soon extradite these people to the US so they can be prosecuted. Either that or blow them apart in a helicopter raid. There is no place in the world that is safe from RIAA/US control.
Here's the full text of the article, to hopefully stem some of that tide.
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Haaa... maybe the be^H^H^H^H THe bETTer gAMe in tHe wORLd!
-Woof woof woof!
(...) Earthstation 5 is at war with the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) and the Record Association of America (RIAA), and to make our point very clear that their governing laws and policys have absolutely no meaning to us here in Palestine, we will continue to add even more movies for FREE. .com) does not require any signups, registration,
credit cards and/or any other personal information to watch the first rate
streamed movies like TERMINATOR 3, BRUCE ALMIGHTY, MATRIX RELOADED, etc.
Our secure software protect our users who use our P2P application and
there is nothing that you can do to stop us, says Ras Kabir, president of
Earthstation 5 (http:/www.earthstation5 .com).
(...)
ES5 (http://www.es5
(...)
Ras Kabir's warning to the RIAA and the MPAA, "The next revolution in P2P file sharing is upon you. Resistance is futile and we are now in control".
OMG! It's what I call a man who has BALLS!!
Israel bombed Gaza, they just needed a scapegoat...
I'm a little worried about what their motivation is. Do they see themselves as an Anti-American group? Or do they actually plan to make a profit out of Illegal movies?
That's all we need. The MPAA and RIAA getting involved in the Middle East. I wonder if Big Oil will like the competition.
R: That voice. Where have I heard that voice before? B: In about 365 other episodes. But I don't know who it is either.
Do they mean Palestine, Texas... or Palestine, West Virginia?
Wait! Maybe they mean the middle-eastern country "Palestine" that the Jordanians and Egyptians gave to their Arab brothers when they controlled 100% of Gaza, West Bank and Jerusalem from 1948-1967.
(oh, wait a second, that never happened...)
It's not like Arabs like American big business anyway. The language of 'declaring war' on American interests isn't too new for the region either.
I just can't figure out whether they are trolling for publicity or really mean it...
This guy's talking about being barred from use of the Internet as a result of a DMCA subpoena. WTF? Is this sensationalism or is there legal basis for this claim?
who are those slashdot people? they swept over like Mongol-Tartars.
I like how prnewswire.com 'avoided' linking to the sites they were discussing.
Meanwhile, a developer of another P2P tool who unwisely chose to live in the USA has been shut down (mirror) by the RIAA.
More like, the developer has been shut down by slashdot
The terrorist wannabes are attacking people in a country known to harbor terrorists.
Perhaps the MPAA/RIAA are just jealous.
Hard to say anything. They didn't sign any international copyright agreements. And I think Israel's a little to busy with Hamas currently to do anyhing about file traders.
Viva la es5!
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
Yes, there is a problem with digital rights management. Yes, Hollywood DOES have the right to make money. No, you do NOT have the right to broadcast their copyrighted info, and even the most fanatical, devoted, peer to peer sharing folks will agree.
Why exactly is this on slashdot? It's not a freedom movement. In no way can it be given a good slant. It's out-and-out copyright infringement. Period.
Even the most cockeyed activists have to see that far from making Hollywood "wakeup", this kind of thing is going to give them the ammunition they need to get more draconian laws passed in congress.
Moronic.
No other press releases that I can find on prnewswire.com have had their company website URL link made inactive. Looks like the MPAA/RIAA can strongarm Prnewswire to remove what they allege are offending links from press releases, even if its a corporate website.
Watch out Apple, your press releases may be next to have links disabled.
Edith Keeler Must Die
Portable MP3/Ogg players get better every year. While I was searching the internet for a suitable present to give my SO, I have considered purchasing an iPod for my SO, what brought it to my attention was that it costs the same as a Ruger .357. Both are lovely little pieces of engineering although with a bit of thought I realised both are bad things, instead I decided to put down my first down payment on a BMW X5. Back to the iPod, is this device legal? Will those of us who use it bring the wrath of the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) down on our heads like a corporate version of Maxwell's Silver Hammer?
Music is a creative process. Today, when a musician publishes music, i.e., exposes it to the outside world, only a privileged set of individuals are able to use the music as they please (RIAA). However, the artist has drawn from the creativity of many other musicians and there is an existential responsibility placed upon them to give this back unconditionally, so creativity is fostered among people. This is why peoples using music how they like is imperative.
Consider: RIAA-bought legislators are trying to get insane bills made into law. Whether or not they succeed, there are plenty of confusing copyright protection regulations out there already, and the latest tactic the music industry is using in its attempt to slow the death of their obsolete business model is to target individual users, not just commercial CD duplicators or large-scale file-sharing networks.
There seems to be this big RIAA push to outlaw all devices that facilitate file copying. Computer operating systems, for example, all have ways to copy files, and all those new little USB memory devices are certainly handy places to stash files and give you an easy way to move them from one computer to another, even if neither computer is hooked to the Internet or a LAN.
And then there's that MP3/Ogg player. My SO has many years' worth of legally-purchased CDs, and loves the idea of being able to transfer the music on them to a small solid-state device instead of using a portable CD player and lugging stacks of CDs everywhere. But would my Stevie suddenly become a criminal if he started ripping all his CDs?
Apparently not. Yet. It seems the recording industry powers-that-be haven't gotten around to suing customers who transfer music (that they've paid for) from one medium to another to make personal use more convenient. But will this largesse on their part continue? Could my SO be at the beach one day and find himself tossed in the back of a police car if he has music in his possession for which he has no receipt on his person?
(Yes, this is one of those "slippery slope" arguments, and the idea of an innocent music fan getting arrested is as farfetched as the ideas of copyright terms getting extended by Congress every time Disney?s copyright on Mickey Mouse is due to expire.)
But it looks like the RIAA is now going after music fans who share as few as five songs with friends over the Internet.
What if my SO hands his headphones to a young friend who may not have heard a piece of 'classic rock' he enjoys? What if he shares five songs with ten friends at a party? What if he makes a compilation CD full of MP3 or Ogg Vorbis files for a friend by using a 'copyright circumvention device' like, say, his laptop computer? So far, the nasty old Internet hasn't come into play. But if my SO emails those same files to a few friends, is he suddenly a pirate?
I have given up trying to sort out all this music filesharing stuff. The only 100% safe solution I've come up with is to avoid owning any music whatsoever produced by RIAA member companies. If you look around a little, you can find plenty of interesting pieces, in almost all genres, sold directly by the artists or by small recording companies that aren't trying to make trouble for their customers.
Hopefully you'll take similar steps yourself to eliminate the risk of being arrested by the FBI or other law enf
There is no god
"Earthstation 5 is at war with the Motion Picture Association of America
(MPAA) and the Record Association of America (RIAA),"
IMHO Earthstaion 5 hasnt declared war,
they are formalising it, the war has
been on for years now.
I dont suport ppl braking copyright laws,
but i hate companys that dont allow
there arhived copyrighted matrial to be
bought...
what is the point of having copyright and
sueing left right and center and yet not
makeing it avaible for purches at a resonable
price..
some companys out there want top $ for
products 20+ years old, even anchent
computer games and the like, it sickens me.
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"...Resistance is futile and we are now in control."
Someone has been watching too many Star Trek reruns...
So if P2P is the Borg, does that make the federation the future of the RIAA/MPAA??
This is my sig. Its pathetic.
Ironically, he said this while we were both drinking Sam's delicious Boston Ale.
The RIAA will send a suicide bomber to their front door and end the argument. Anything can be bought for enough money.
HTTP error 506:
Server has been ran over by an Israeli tank.
Hate me!
Most countries are signatories to one or more copyright treaties that commit them to recognizing and protecting international copyrights. They are therefore more or less prohibited from allowing the explicit breach of copyright declared in this PR release.
But who is responsible for enforcing copyright in an occupied country? Palestine has been recognized by the UN as an occupied territory, with Israel as the occupying power. With little real power, is the Palestinian Authority still supposed to enforce copyright restrictions? Or is that for Israel to do?
The same situation would apply, I assume, in Iraq. America is the occupying power, so I would think the same criteria should apply as in the Israel/Palestine situation. There is no true Iraqi government to enforce copyright, but on the other hand it seems a bit absurd to think that American laws should govern Iraq.
Interesting situation....
I am concerned about any program, any piece of hardware, any treaty, any law that treats me as a consumer, not a citizen
Their company page (http://www.es5.com/company.html) says:
"Our group is made up of many people, Jordanians, Palestinians, Indians, Americans, Russians and Israelis. Some of us are Jewish, some Christians, some Hindus and other of us are Muslim.
Believe it or not, we all love and respect each other.
We all work and play together. Our families on many occasions eat at the same dinner table. We trust each other and are very close friends with each other. As a group, the most important thing in our life is our children, our families and love ones and of course our friends. "
IMO The Earthstation 5 dudes are pretty arogant and naive to to think that their foreign location prevents the RIAA from taking action. Since they are in Palestine and outside the US borders, I would imagine that the RIAA has a carte blanch to unleash mercenary hackers/crackers upon their servers. I really doubt the Israeli gov't will do anything to protect them.
And now that I think about it...Israeli-US relations...bulldozers...the apache strike-helicopters are probably powering up even as I write this.
Provided this whole thing isn't some kind of hoax of course.
This isn't "throwing down the gauntlet," this is just a publicity stunt. They'll milk this for what it's worth from the flash in the pan they become from this press release, and then fold.
So, if P2P development needs to move out from the U.S. in order to survive, does this mean that our SCO-based Linux developers need to depopulate the U.S. and move to non-applicable foreign countries as well?
Bah! USA is not stronger. Need to invade a whole country to show the world is still the big dog. And need to fuck UN to show that. This is how USA show is weakness. Anyway no other guy can be the bad guy, and actually corporations have take over the real powers. As laws fit Corporations needs, real citadines lose more and more power and become a item to fuck/use/abuse for corporations owners. Of course, this is in longterm, and I supose this will change, as is a wrong way to evolve or democracy. My first option is that USA will change first, has is the oldest democracy alive, all is system is old and new optimization, and become more democracy and less money sugestable. If this occur is posible that some change in the world, and some anti AIDS ... hell what hard is to write english! :P
-Woof woof woof!
Es5 looks interesting, has anyone here used it and had good/bad experiences?
Hey! 1997 called! They want their web developer back!
...from the easily-harrassed domestic sharers. Now you don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun the guy who's jumping up and down, yelling and poking the bear with a stick.
Promote civility: mod down any post starting with 'ummm'.
Considering that the left wing weirdoes launched the same sort of attack against gun manufacturers to deny citizens of their rights, and it was struck down that they can NOT be held liable for what the end users do, I would think that could be used in court against nonsense like this..
I don't know if the bill was passed to bar this type of action, but the legal precedent is there at least.
You cant blame a tool for its improper use.. or the tool maker..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Okay you stupid mother fuckers, think about this. If you were someone who wanted to take down the internet, or build a nice DDOS network, how would you go about doing it? One way would be to try and exploit the latest bug. The other way would be to write up an app that everybody would intentionally install on their machines.
Why would some dumb fuck from a war torn area go and spend his own time and money in order to provide free movies, porn, and what not to a bunch of Western slackers who think everything is "free" because their mommy is paying for their shit and thus they aren't able to understand that bandwidth, hosting, content production, code development, etc. all have an actual real cost.
Pure paranoia at this point, but how long before the US government magically "discovers" that ES5 channels money to Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc, and the MPAA, RIAA, and DOJ get to spin P2P file sharing as supporting terrorists, much like the "If you use drugs, you're supporting terrorism" ads?
I'm not a speaker, but AFAIK "Ras Kabir" is arabic for "large head"
definately a pseudonym.
What's more, with the fighting in the west-bank over the last two years,
I doubt that people there had time to run any OS project, let alone one with "15 million active online users" cocurently. Especially entertainment-oriented.
This "declaration of war" is probably a hoax, and I wouldn't be surprized if kooky conspiracy-theories actually turn-out true in this case
(BTW, I'm not much of a speaker, but AFAIK "Ras Kabir" is arabic for "large head" definately a bad pseudonym )
Working for necessity's mother.
Michael has once again shown what a tool he is..referring to "Palestine", currently a pipe-dream, because no such country exists.
There will be no Palestine, until these terrorists stop killing innocent civilians.
Palestinians don't want 'a country'. They want Israel. They have been offered land 3 times, all three of which would have given them quite a bit more acreage than Israel possesses. However, the Palestinian leadership has refused each time. They don't want to forge their own nation out of the desert, as the Israelis did. They want to take over an existing nation, Israel, which already has all the infrastructure in place, and then they want to kill all the Jews. I have no sympathy for their 'plight' and neither should anyone else, unless they're anti-Semite.
I agree that a Palestine is a pipe dream, but for reasons which are deeper than the terrorists, and which are, in fact, what drive the terrorists. They hate the Jews, they were led to believe that they should have had that country instead of the Jews (nevermind the fact that when offered land they didn't take it) and they are continuing a centuries-old pogrom against the Jews. Were I in charge of Israel, I'd have been much more violent, much sooner. They took a postage stamp in the desert and made it productive. Notice that there was no "Palestinian" movement to get a country before Israel was formed, and no desire to form "Palestine" anywhere else *but* Israel.
The crap that the MPAA/RIAA put out in the last couple of years. I'm all for rewarding good film-making, but I want my money back for the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I'd like my time back too, but since no one has found a way to re-imburse time...
Seriously, I've been taken in by too many 'previews' of movies, thought 'this looks good', gone to see it, then wished I had not. Feels like I'm getting conned half the time. I'll buy DVDs, I'll pay to see good movies, but since I can't actually see a movie before I pay for it (unless I 'aquire it') what choice do I have?
None, and that's exactly what the MPAA wants. Text message that.
I said no text.
The whole thing reads like a joke. The whois lists the Registrant as Earthstationv Ltd, A Vanuatu Corporation. And the corporation as Jenin refugee camp #23.
All the people who say "Don't buy CDs or go to the Cinema etc" are fooling themselves, the more they don't spend on the industry they are just proving the Record/Movie association right!
I still buy CDs/DVDs and goto the Cinema, why they hell wouldn't I? watching a Film at home isn't the same as the Flicks, I don't care what TV you have. When LOTR Two Towers came out my and 15 of my mates went to see it at the Odeon London Leicester Square (Biggest Screen in the UK) Us and the other 2000 where in that screen, man, what an experience.
The Industry will learn that they can still make good sales with P2P if they just lower their price, not shut down the networks. I've downloaded moveis that I would NEVER buy, I wouldn't have bought them even before P2P was around, so the RIAA or whatever can't claim that for every movie we download they are losing that much money, cause thats a stupid statement, are they saying that in my house (5 students) we would have spent like 10000 on movies?!?!?! yeah get real. Don't deprive yourself to prove a point that's counter-productive
I spent ages trying to think of sig, but never did
Hmmm, I don't think the Palistinian idea of war is what the MPAA had in mind when it began prosecuting a war on copyright infringement. If I were a US company I would worry anytime a middle eastern group used my name and the word "war" in the same sentence. Sometimes they (Palestians, well most groups in the middle east, including Israel) are not the most rational people.
MPAA/RIAA lawyers with subpoenas vs. Palestinians with RPGs (not the game format mind you).
This could get interesting.
this will be reported, glowingly, as an Israeli action to curb terrorism by taking out a "suspected Hamas leader".
100% of My job is online
:P
100% of My school is online
100% of My friends are online
100% of My hobbies are online
and if i can't use a comptuer at all, they might as well put me in a federal prison taht allows me to read and purchase any book i want...
Man... get a life. Maybe taking away your computer would be a good thing
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
In Palestine, no one would think it was out of the ordinary if someone say, bulldozed their homes in the middle of the night.
I was going to download this, but then I thought to look and see if anyone had anything to say about it. Any word?
You can't cheat and plead, just one movie! It's the Matrix! I have to see it.
Like the slashbots are going to boycott The Matrix/Lord Of The Rings/Star Trek/Star Wars. More like:
1) see the movie 3 times in the theatre
2) buy the movie soundtrack on CD
3) rent the movie on VHS
3) buy the movie on DVD
4) buy the director's cut edition on DVD
5) buy the deluxe edition on DVD
6) buy the super deluxe edition on DVD
7) buy the video game for the PC
8) buy the video game for the Play Station
9) buy the video game for the Nintendo
10) buy the video game for the XBox
11) Profit (for the MPAA)! No need for ???
It's too bad. I agree with you.
From the website, it seems they do have their privacy ducks in a fairly neat row:
;)
ES5 #1 goal is to protect its users from intrusions to their privacy by providing encrypted traffic, random ports and IP anonymity:
ONE CLICK PROXY SERVER - Users can send connection requests through intermediary proxy servers located throughout the world so that the download destination of a file cannot be traced by any entity whatsoever. There is nothing for the user to set-up, just right click to enable the proxy server.
SSL - SECURE SOCKETS - Prevents monitoring of a user's uploading or downloading activity. Users can automatically deploy SSL by right clicking.
UDP -USER DATAGRAM PROTOCOL Using UDP makes it impossible to reliably scan a useras computer to determine if ES5 is running. Also, unlike TCP connections, UDP traffic can not be easily blocked by ISPs.
ES5 SECURITY KEY - ES5 utilizes a standard HTTP server to transmit files, but deploys a special "security key" so than only ES5 users can access your shared files.
IP ADDRESSES - ES5 does not display user IP Address information.
DYNAMIC PORTS- Each ES5 node uses a randomly chosen port (unless the user chooses a specific port themselves). Therefore, ISPs will be unable to identify file-sharing traffic based upon port numbers and unable to throttle back the users bandwidth.
USER DEFINED PORT SETTINGS- ES5 provides users with "one-click" port setting options for ES5 to use port 53 (the port used by DNS) or port 37 (the port used by time service) therefore rendering all blocking attempts hopeless.
MULTIPLE POINTS OF ENTRY - ES5 uses multiple methods for connecting to the ES5 network including IP Multicast, Usenet Articles, Web Sites, Node List Files and a several other undisclosed methods.
PENETRATING FIREWALLS - UDP allows seamless penetration of firewalls without inconvenient setting of firewall parameters. For users behind firewalls, ES5 uses UDP to request a PUSH, where the behind-the-firewall computer initiates the connection back to the requested user's computer. PGPDisk - As an additional security feature, to all P2P programs, is that ES5 integrates seamlessly with PGPDisk (which is a free program and will be provided by ES5 to its users) that lets you encrypt your disk drives to store your P2P content. No one except you will ever be able to see your files, not your kids, your spouse, your mother, your boss, the FBI, the KGB or anyone else!
So, the plot thickens. Whatever will the *AA do?
everything in moderation
Of course you know what the MPAA will say now.
Palestine uses P2P, terrorists live in palestine, p2p is a terrorist tool, anyone in the US using p2p is a terrorist.
Our group is made up of many people, Jordanians, Palestinians, Indians, Americans, Russians and Israelis. Some of us are Jewish, some Christians, some Hindus and other of us are Muslim.
Believe it or not, we all love and respect each other.
We all work and play together. Our families on many occasions eat at the same dinner table. We trust each other and are very close friends with each other. As a group, the most important thing in our life is our children, our families and love ones and of course our friends.
This is actually a very interesting move on the political front. Palestine is not recognized as a self-ruling nation, put is viewed as an occupied state. The RIAA/MPAA have no legal recourse, but then again no one would likely say boo if they unleash mercenary hackers to take BS5 out of commission.
Of course, if the United States were to formally recognize Palestine as a free and independent state, they could sign a treaty that would let the RIAA/MPAA go get these guys.
So are the RIAA/MPAA bought members of congress going to suddenly start calling for the recognition of Palestine? Hmmm....
Has anyone been able to substantiate this supposed busts? SOunds like a way to get publicity/money.
1) a subpoena is not a bust. It means show up in court. And it can be fought on jurisdictional grounds. This is a prime EFF case.
2) Palestine doesn't have shit for infrastructure, I have difficulty believing anyone can have any sort of net connection there. First, Israel would destroy it. If not, the Islamist fundemanentalists would.
3) I've heard too many stories on the streets about hard times, etc, yea war veteran with three kids but I am off drugs, yadda yadda. Why should the net be any different? No I won't send you money. I'll send money to places that know a con job from the real thing and act appropriately.
If this is for real and you really have been shafted, my sincere hope that things get sorted out and you are cleared. But you need to think about how to do publicity in a way that doesn't make it seem like the nigerian scam.
Now we can finally put capitalists to the test and watch them squirm as they fight the urge to demonstrate that capitalism is no better than communism. They don't want people to perceive America and our capitalist system as totalitarian. But, if they make any steps to do anything about this situation, that is exactly how we will appear to the rest of the world. I have to say, these people are quite ingenious.
Speaking of which, when is ThinkGeek going to come out with Anti-SCO t-shirts?
I did - I didn't like the interface.
I've downloaded it again and will install it when I get home. I want to see if its gotten any better.
Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
Not that I'd de-advocating this sort of stance. I'd really prefer that my money not go to these money-grubbing [NAUGHTYS].
But think on this for a second. These idiots don't even have a NODDING acquaintence with common sense, or even REALITY. All they'll see, and yammer about, when sales plummet is "It's filesharing!" "It's texting!" "It's freedom of speech!"
No matter what, they're utterly incapable of believing tha that their sales dropoffs are actually due to:
Need I go on?
In short, no matter what people do, or do not, buy, the likes of the MPAA and the RIAA will merely blame-shift so they don't have to accept responsibility for their own [NAUGHTY]-ups.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
The ones who blow up buses, schools, hospitals in the hope of killing and maiming as many innocent civilians including children and babies as possible.
Is that a clue yet?
Uhm, it says he was subpoenaed. Far as I know, subpoena does not mean injunctive relief. It just means he has to show up and possibly talk.
Given that it doesn't take effect until the paper arrives at his door, by certified mail or served in person, he's not bound by the ruling.
Now, if the RIAA/MPAA had pushed for injunctive relief and the judge issued a ruling saying he couldn't be online until yadda-yadda, then he's got problems. But again, he still has to recieve notice to be bound by it. E-mail doesn't count.
But as it stands, there is no mention of a document or paper dealing with a injunction, or even subpoena having arrived yet.
Until they do, just chill.
... but this is what you get if you click on the "Company"-Link of ES5:
Our group is made up of many people, Jordanians, Palestinians, Indians, Americans, Russians and Israelis. Some of us are Jewish, some Christians, some Hindus and other of us are Muslim.
Believe it or not, we all love and respect each other.
We all work and play together. Our families on many occasions eat at the same dinner table. We trust each other and are very close friends with each other. As a group, the most important thing in our life is our children, our families and love ones and of course our friends.
I am fairly new to open source and can contribute very little right now, but I want to do something. Would it be possible to off load some bandwith costs of some opensource projects/websites using a form of p2p and an ftp server. Everything could be md5'ed and capped at a gig or two. I like the security that comes with some ftp servers and linux (3 years and no recorded compromise with an anon setup).
What about for commercial use-say something like file planet or file front. Note: file front did try something similar at one time but the p2p software was fairly insecure. I could allow a gig or two to be donated on behalf of an open source project.
Everyone on slashdot continues to support the idea of legal p2p because there are loads of applications that do not break the law. Instead of thinking of es5 as giving a bad name to p2p instead look at it as though es5 will become a known illegal vending point and that other organizations that say they only want legal trade could asipre to be avoided in the RIAA/MPAA attacks. 2c. ?
Yawn.
1. Wonderful press release, kick the MPAA/RIAA where it hurts.
2. Web site not slashdotted.
3. 40kb/sec download of the software. Exactly what kind of net pipes do they have running into Jenin? Maybe download.es5.com is located somewhere else...
4. None of this "we're just technology providers" bullshit. No, this is theftware at its best. Hey, the US has paid billions to help the Israeli state bomb the Palestinians into the stone age, it's not surprising there is not huge local support for US "intellectual property".
The software was apparently developed in Russia, financed by Arab and Israeli businessmen. It appears to use UDP rather than TCP/IP, which is a neat idea when you are sending redundant chunks of information around, and SSL for security, which may or may not be really secure.
The whole thing may be a hoax, I am downloading it to a test machine to try right now.
At last, someone with the guts to sock it to those bums at the MPAA and RIAA. Yeah!!
Ceci n'est pas une signature
E5? First of all there is P2P software that is made by Israelis like iMesh and SoulSeek.
Second, E5 seems like a hoax, Ras Kabir? It means Big Head if i'm not mistaken, not quite your regular Palestinian name. So it is a nick/pseudonim, fine, but all these absurd press releases about P2P software and wars on RIAA make it seem a little funny. Has anyone tried the E5 software? Does it do what they say, or is it just another Kazaa Lite?
I'm afraid to try it because I'm running Windows, and you know what might happen if you take software from strangers...
Well well well a pro-israeli post in public. You're either a money grabbing Jew or a right-wing christian loony.
After all, anybody that doesn;t condem the evil israeli opressor and support the heroic palastinian freedom fighter can;t be a well adjusted member of western urban society.
Or so the ever objective news media and the bleeding-heart left-wing humanist intelligentsia would have us believe.
----
- It took western civilisation 2000 years to ensure popular literacy, and now we work with icon driven GUI's. Go figure.
This is getting more and more ridiculous, now we get supoenad *before* anything happens. What the heck happened to 'innocent until proven otherwise'?
Let me ask you something; how can we call the US the 'free capital of the world', or 'a place where personal freedom thrive' when one can be pretty much condemned because of the connontations and possible uses that the piece of software one wrote *might* have?
Who are we as individuals when we support and raise our stand to *free the world of tyrans* overseas, when we let this type of things happen @ home? Yes, I know. Two totally different things. The consequences of having a tyran as a ruler are definitely not the same than having a corrupt and money driven institution that proposes and passes laws; but the underlying principle is the same. Freedom, of any kind.
Taco:Yes, of course! The Holy Slashdot of OSDN! 'Tis one of the sacred relics Brother Cowboy Neal carries with him. Brother Neal! Bring up the Holy Slashdot!
AC's chanting: Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem.
Brother Neal: Armaments, chapter two, verse nine to twenty one.
Brother Neal: And Saint Stallman raised the Slashdot up high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this Thy Holy Slashdot that, with it, Thou mayest slashdot Thine enemies to tiny bits in Thy mercy'. And the Lord did grin, and the AC's did feast upon first posts, trolls, GNAA posts, and...
Taco: Skip it a bit, Brother.
Brother Neal: And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou click on the holy link called Slashdot. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, clickest thou holy Slashdot of OSDN towards thy server, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.'
Taco: Amen
From the article, I fail to understand why the xmule developer's net connection was shutdown. Sure, he's been subpoenaed, but where's the due process? It sounds to me like his ISP isn't aware of the concept of "innocent until proven guilty"
653899 - Another prime Slashdot UID
A really good buy/sell secondhand site is www.secondspin.com
( I know, shameless plug. )
First of all, Boycotting is very easy.
You see, some of the worst movies ever made were from the past few years. (Think Gigli).
Tell your friends about how the media industry bought off scumbag politicians and circumvented your constitutional rights with the DMCA. About how they are targetting college kids (who are eternally broke thanks to a f*cked up higher educational system in this country) - and grandmothers. The boycott approach will only show the illogic in the media industries plan.
Also remind these fools that HIGH PRICES are the reason for slow down NOT PIRACY! Also the fucking recession might be a good reason, or a Republican in the White House (especially a brain dead former coke fiend father of slutty daughters) - ANY REASON can explain the lack of business growth in any sector.
You know, if we had proper DRM -- including the abilty to set "no restrictions" on a document, we wouldn't be in this mess. You could have P2P and not have to worry about copyright infringement.
Next time I'll just steal them.
Its not really stealing y'know, cause if I like them then next time i'll pay for them so really the twinky folks will make money this way. It costs them almost nothing to kake those things y'know so its really not stealling since I think they over charge. The fact that I'm willing to pay that much for them doesn't really mean they are worth that. common sense.
Oh and the reason I had to eat the whole box I did buy was that since I had already paid my money I did not want to stop in the middle of it even though I already know I would not like it.
what was my point. Oh yeah everything should be free, I dont need to use my judgement, I never learn from my mistakes or take steps to avoid them, and its all about me. music video and twinkies all free to me. yeah that's it.
if people cant make stuff I like it should be free.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
It's a bunch of adware and crap, despite the press release. It has built in "dating service", which is really just a redirect to one of the many online dating scams.
It also has a firewall warning, that told me I needed to open all UDP and TCP ports above 1023. Seriously.
Seeing as the "no adware" part was a lie, seeing as how they have no respect or common sense in the press release, I dont buy any of the "anonymous" crap about it either.
I'd avoid it. I wouldnt be surprised if I didnt just put a big old trojan onto this machine by installing it. Luckily its a test box, and I was going to bounce it today anyways.
...the RIAA/MPAA does not need to have an actual case that will stand up in court, in order to shut you down or make you pay a fine in the form of a settlement: it is sufficient to threaten you with a multimillion dollar lawsuit that they can and will drag on for the rest of your natural life. When facing that sort of lawsuit, would you take it to court and fight them all the way, or would you give in and pay the settlement even though they had no case?
The **AA's are actually quite clever to go after end-users and small-time outfits: these are the opponents that will quickly bend over and give in.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
That's not really funny.
-- Repeat with me: "There is no right to profits".
I would LOVE to tear this program apart and find all the backdoors and zombification functions this will add to people with a broadband connection.
Think about why palestinians would want to give you all of these functions for FREE. It is surely not because they have lots of free bandwith and programmers lying around not being used. What a deal, in exchange for free porn you can help bring down the "Zionist Enemy" and the "Great Satin" all from the comfort of your desktop.
Bulldozer? Are you kidding????
Try, can you say "Apache Gunship"?
I imagine some calls are being made to the Sharon goverment....Israel is moving tanks into the bank now....watch for "Earthstation 5" to be in the way when they roll. Is this really going to be a surprise to anyone?
I think these people are fools. Do not taunt dragons...they have sharp teeth.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Don't keep asking what xMule is, ask Google.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Used CDs:
a) Are cheaper
b) Don't send money to the RIAA
I haven't bought a new CD in many years. I have bought used though.
half.com rocks.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
Well, if it should be illegal to just think about using or creating p2p software because it can be used for illegal actions, shouldnt that apply to other areas as well or not at all?
I would presume that you can use a gun to do things that are much worse than what you ever could achieve with Kazaa (RIAA might disagree)..
Then again, while we are at it: you could speed in a car, or drive drunk and kill somebody.
Point being the obvious: I dont care if piratism is illegal, it should be, its just that today its easier to pirate music than to buy it, so, it is pirated. The fault for that lies with the industry, but its still not justifying piratism.
But: Dont illegalize tools that may be used for both good and bad, they are only tool, and as I said, I can think of things much worse and harmful than a p2p application..
exactly
this hurts my friends as well. i have a friend who runs an indi record store. i spend all kinds of money there, but the majority is on used records--a point that's beaten to death on /.--and records from indi labels. a boycott is a kneejerk response which cause a tremendous amount of collateral damage.
spread the knowledge.
let people know the cost of cd production v. the selling price.
spread the word on how much actually goes to the artist, especially those out of the mainstream
promote music purchased through alternate distribution chanels.
a boycott is usefull, but MASS education is better.
!(^((ri)|(mp))aa$)
well, the "war" has been going on for some time, and so far the Israeli massacred much more civilian the the BAD / EVIL terrorists.
and I don't see much Israeli people complaining...
There ARE some who do, but they are considered as black sheep by their fellows.
BTW, Isreal is a religious state, no ? and the old testament said that the people of Israel will get his country back on the day the Messiah will come back, isn't it ?
So, no Messiah, no Country...I think a few million ppl should start packing about right now if they are consistent with their faith...
The palestinian got fucked, hard, both ways, for fifty years. It's not an excuse for the terrorism, but it is the only weapon poor people have against Right-Winged, Fascist Governments elected with the help, and money, of every goddam Jewish Intergrist there is/.
I do Boycott Israeli products, as far as I can.
If you have 2 cents of intelligence, you'll do the same.
Best Regards from Cynical AC
Have any of you installed this, and can you comment on whether you're being shown ads or if you otherwise see how it works?
... like some kind of trap to anyone else? First question: How can someone in Jenin refugee camp acquire enough reliable bandwidth to avoid a slashdotting? The site is still up and I am downloading the client with 15-25k/sec. Second question: If their servers are not in Palestine, which it seems they are not, what's to prevent someone from simply grabbing the servers? Third question: It uses "methods which are secret to communicate" (paraphrased). Anyone care to do traffic analysis on this and see where those packets are going?
Say for instance, that a US coalition of companies (*aa) decided to produce what they thought would lure all p2p users, then compile statistics, and sue. Or since it's in Palestine, and as everyone knows, Palestinians are terrorists, why not just say you're supporting terror and prosecute as terrorism under whatever Ashcroft is calling PATRIOT II this week?
Download music, face a firing squad.
Just being paranoid.
They are anti-establishment. Their software is the epitome of ideals held by hackers everywhere.
From the article:Earthstation 5 also has a FREE multi-user Voice and Video chat system,
FREE Dating system, provides FREE video streaming of first run movies, FREE
ten SEX channels, FREE live Sporting events, and will be releasing soon a
Voice over IP application providing FREE local and international telephone
calls to its users to communicate with each other.
They are attacking the old bricks-and-mortar businesses, in an attempt to force them to change their ancient business practices. And good for them! Information wants to be free, but content doesn't have to be. These companies had better start releasing their music/movies/services to the unwashed masses in a proper and timely manner or people are going to do it for them.
If you can't remember a non-jewish actors in Soviet movies than you better ask your doctor about Aricept. Modern medicine can do wonders and will hopefully delay your dementia by a year or two. Abdulov, Nikulin, Pugovkin, Lyubov Orlova, Gurchenko, Vizin, Morgunov, Mironov... These are the first couple of names that pop into my head when I think of russian movies and - guess what - all of them are superstars and none of them are Jewish. Better yet - you go research it yourself.
Earth Station 5 are a bunch of unhelpful idiots. What they do not choose to understand is the simple facts of the situation.
...and that target will be the ISPs of America.
While it is true that American laws have no power in Palestine, American laws do indeed have power in the good old US of A.
So, the RIAA will simply take one look at Earth Station 5, see that they cannot touch them, and therefore go for the next available target...
How long before the RIAA makes a petition to a judge, then Congress to insure that American internet users will not even be able to reach the website of Earth Station 5? In my opinion, not very long at all.
And in doing so (provided that they achieve the aim) they will then have started a huge avalanche of lawsuits against the ISPs, forcing ISPs to block access to certain 'undesireable' sites on the internet.
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Jaylen
Right, so which one is it, Hammas or the Israeli army?
What, you don't think firing five rockets into a car on a public street doesn't cause colatoral damage? We all saw a child being held in his fathers arms, who was shot and killed when the Israeli army opened fire. Oh yeah, Israel can do no wrong can they? Gotta' prop up that old sacred cow.
the fact that es5 are on slashdot and lauding the idea of giving away everything for free, therein holding themselves in some way on a different level to kazaa et al is pretty phenomenal advertising. feel sharing is a godsend. i'm in deepest darkest africa and can't get movies / dvd's unless i go 1000miles away. i have a satellite connection for communications - 128kbps is $950 per month!! long live free downloaded entertainment
Is anyone else paranoid enough to envision ES5 as a front set up to download clandestine malicious programs to the boxes pulling down the files from their site?
/paranoid
I'm no fan of the MPAA, or the Israli Government, and I don't want to add fuel to their arguments to shut down P2P, but, doesn't anyone worry about connecting to a renegade server in Palestine? Doesn't it seem too easy?
"Creativity is allowing ones self to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep" - Scott Adams
and you must be one of those americans everyone else in the world hates..
There will be no Palestine, until these terrorists stop killing innocent civilians.
They wouldn't have to kill innocent civilians, if they had a possibility to build and finance their own properly equipped army. This way Palestinians could reclaim their occupied grounds in a legitimate way. But who would be able to help them with that, as long as Israel has USA with all its financial, and if needed, military power.
ES5, regardless if its really operated from Palestine, or is just a spoof, is a small , but first step to bring some balance in this conflict.
Yes. Let's put a bullet in that myth right now and stop spreading misinformation on behalf of the RIAA -- sharing of copyrighted material is not illegal if it is done in a way the copyright holder condones and even then there is a fair amount of flexibility depending on which country, but even in the U.S. and other countries subscribing to the Berne convention there is some flexibility.
The real bite is that client-server file sharing, the kind you do with a file server, is getting neglected. If even half of the offices around the world actually used their Netware/Samba/AFS servers, there would be no need to do anything other than filter to /dev/null those $%^&* mail attachments aka MS-Outlook worms.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
Earthstation 5's pressrelease makes it clear that they are trying to do their little bit in the jihad against America. It is obvious that they are terrorist, and I expect it won't be long before the Bush administration labels them a terrorist organization, and will dispatch some troops to take care of the matter.
P2P file sharing is linked to terrorism. If you share music files, you are a terrorist
Brought to you by the Department of Homeland Security.
While you Slashdot luzers, discuss lame RIAA crap,
the Cheney-Rumsfeld regime continues its theft of the United States of Amerika:
Bet Against The Moron
Thanks and have a John_Ashcroft_free day!
W00t
Buy, then return the DRM CDs you buy. That'll put more cost to the retailer, which will piss them off and cause them to demand changes.
And I don't think the RIAA wants their main means of distribution to get pissed off at them.
AC comments get piped to
Trying to stop file sharing is like trying to nail jello to a tree. Every time they think they've put a nail through the heart of file sharing, it just slips off the stake and morphs into something else.
The only way government and pseudo-government (RIAA, MPAA, etc) officials will help reduce illegal file sharing is if people choose to not download files. It's all about freedom of choice, folks. So save your money from suing people and spend it on advertising, appealing to people's sense of right and wrong. Being a bully and suing some poor college student is just kicking the hornet's nest, and begs for someone like Earth Station 5 to rise up and make what they're trying to stop even worse.
Ruby on Rails Screencast
the less people get exposed to the junk movies and music these guys produce, the better place this planet will be. seriously!
use P2P to fileshare good stuff instead.
There are many fine forms of entertainment that aren't controlled by the RIAA/MPAA, and don't agree with them. Live near Baltimore? See a John Waters film at The Charles. Music? Dischord, Touch and Go, Archenemy, Fueled By Ramen (geeks ought to like that label). I went to see Eleni Mandell last Wednesday; it was her first time in Baltimore. It's CRIMINAL that she doesn't get more attention, as she's a wonderful artist (and really nice in person). Far more criminal than some kids depriving Britney Spears of a hypothetical $1 per CD.
:)
This site:
http://www.magnetbox.com/riaa/
has a "bookmarklet" to help you identify non-RIAA bands when you're shopping online. Or, you could find the small clubs in your area (Baltimore: The Talking Head, The Ottobar, The Mojo). Check their schedule, look up the bands (who will probably have free, legal downloads). Go see the ones you might like; it's probably only $5 or so. Buy their CDs if you do like them; most of it goes to them, and the CDs are cheaper too.
Reply to this post with your tastes if you want suggestions. I can't help with hip-hop so much, but I can with nearly everything else. And, shameless plug, WMBC will start broadcasting again in a few weeks
WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
Sure there are people in soviet movie industry who aren't Jewish. Still most of them are. And for those you've mentioned - recount please.
You see, having "Russian" written in your passport, telling everyone you are of course "russki", even visiting ortodox church doesn't change your true identity in most cases.
Just for your personal reference: There is no such country as Palestine. Sorry. It's nowhere on the map. The country to which you are referring is called Israel.
Earthstation 5 also has a FREE multi-user Voice and Video chat system, FREE Dating system, provides FREE video streaming of first run movies, FREE ten SEX channels, (...)
(...) and to make our point very clear that their governing laws and policys have absolutely no meaning to us here in Palestine
Wait a sec... isn't pornography illegal in muslim countries?
Scandalous behaviour by internet users has been exercising religious authorities in the Middle East for some time. According to a Saudi scholar, internet pornography was even foretold by the Prophet as one of the evils that would occur just before the day of judgement.
Article
Where the long arm of the RIAA cannot reach, a fatwa against p2p may kill thousands (literaly).
Hack your mind out of its sandbox.
is that, after all that blustering and defiant language, Earthstation 5 is now unreachable.
Kudos, Slashdot, for doing what the MPAA could not.
It's the economy, stupid.
Duh.
Or if that isn't face-to-face enough, how about the ones killed at roadblocks by soliders? When can I see the arrests (or executions, yum) of the US personnel and administrators (Our "heros" and "patriots") responsible? I'll be waiting over here, thanks.
The Point: War sucks. Doubly so when the two sides are completely unmatched. Ugly things tend to happen.
I can watch Gigli without the embarrasment of
being caught buying a ticket! Woohoo!
you know the RIAA pulls all their loss figures from what you *WOULD* have paid for the entire album if all you got was one song... Artists have long made their money from touring on concert and product endorsement and other venues outside of selling their music (and last time I checked no one on MTV Cribs was living in the gutter, unlike many of the people they claim empathy with/for) so I say: Fuck 'Em; Fuck 'Em Long and Hard with properly heated, wrought iron, not a single smoooth surface rods and watch them writhe around in agony slowly dying, fuck the RIAA, fuck the MPAA and fuck their puppet Senators (I'm looking at you Fritz)
as an OT note, your sig about Randi is dead on, he avoids people with real proof of the otherworldly like a plague, he makes a healthy living being as big a fraud as the people he purports to "debunk" and someone needs to set his beard on fire as well (yes fire IS the answer)
Its all about the revolution. that means we take the fat cats money and sharew it with the people. its all about sharing. if enough people do it then its called a revolution. the people have spoken and it the people who say whats right and wrong. if the people say its right its not stealing man. you just dont get it. music is meant to be free or its not really music, music lives in the air and gets shared, it doesn't live in a pocket book. you're an asshole.
It is sad to see corporations and entities that exist only on paper having more rights than living breathing human beings. The worst thing the Supreme Court ever did was to give "rights" in the late 1800's to corporations.
Yes. Let's put a bullet in that myth right now and stop spreading misinformation on behalf of the RIAA/2FMPAA -- sharing of copyrighted material is not illegal if it is done in a way the copyright holder condones and even then there is a fair amount of flexibility depending on which country, but even in the U.S. and other countries subscribing to the Berne convention there is some flexibility.
The real bite is that client-server file sharing, the kind you do with a file server, is getting neglected. If even half of the offices around the world actually used their Netware/Samba/AFS servers, there would be no need to do anything other than filter to /dev/null those $%^&* mail
attachments aka MS-Outlook worms.
Isn't that what the upcoming software patent vote is about? Just think about the control you can have with patented file formats and algorithms, backed up by the EUCD/DMCA, the Economic Espionage Act, and the Business Software Alliance. Add restrictions management technology and the lock-in is complete, pretty much killing of the IT sector and most possibility for R & D.Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
A little to add (offtopic) :
About "troll" : just who's posting anonimously?
About "you better ask your doctor about Aricept" : thanks for advice, but I doubt it will help. I spent a big chunk of my life in a city with some 0.1% volume methan,CO,H2S and other shit in the air. I had headaches almost every day since I can remember myself and I've kinda accomodated to it.
Have you seen what Palestine looks like? Its lucky it isn't a stone-age web site.
As loudly as they proclaim, "Get your Illegal Warez here, we will protect you, we got nothing but illegal sutff," I don't trust them to not be a trap for users. Think about it, RIAA/MPAA set this up, make it super duper abundantly clear that the only purpose here is to be illegal, they score a two fold victory: first their case is strengthened against P2P in general, and second, they eventually sue said company and in an "out of court agreement" come away with complete logs of who did what on the network. Now they get to really sue those people, and their case is all the stronger, "More people watched Terminator 3 on the net than went to see it in theatres!"
Slay a dragon... over lunch!
It was the dawn of the third age of mankind, 4 years after Napster.
The Earth Station 5 Project was a dream given form. Its goal: to provide free entertainment to the people of the internet. It's a port of call for hackers, cracker, leeches, and newbs.
The internet can be a dangerous place, but it's our last, best hope for pr0n.
This is the story of the last of the Earth Stations. The year is 2003. The name of the place is Earth Station 5.
(With appologies to JMS)
Ed Wedig
Graphic design services
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We got in 100th Window at WMBC, and it didn't have any problems in any CD player where I tried it (including a CD-RW drive in Linux), and was also rippable (we have a rotating playlist fill in our gaps when there are no live DJs).
:)
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As far as boycotts, I say that we should make sure to have big increases in sales of non-**AA movies and music, to point out where the revenue really went. Nothing would make me happier
Support small artists, folks. They actually want you to listen to their music. Reply to my other post above if you want suggestions.
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=75555&c
WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
The false claims about dropping revenue need to be refuted. However, that is difficult because in most countries media is not only becoming increasingly privatized (the size of the wallet determine who speaks) but also decreasingly varied so that there are fewer voices and greater chances for abuse.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
Oops, sorry, you'll need a P2P app to download them from my PC.
HAND!
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Let us summarize:
-streaming FIRST RUN movies over the internet for FREE
-freely share their music and movies online
-FREE video streaming of first run movies
-FREE ten SEX channels
-hides the identities of its users and their IP addresses
It's an RIAA/MPAA honeypot! They're finally learning from us! Run...RUN! They'll be on you like stink on a hillbilly!
Could it be that the RIAA has set a trap for people? The website is very explicit about its intentions, so if you take part, you are knowingly and willingly breaking the law. They can round up a whole bunch of people at the same time!
The xmule story is suspicious to me. The guy doesn't know why his site was shut down, he just assumes it is the RIAA. I don't see how this is newsworthy... at least not yet.
No, no, no. This is not a sig.
THAT's what hurts the theatre, who also pays through the nose for the priveledge to play the Matrix just like you. They're in the same boat. The least you could do is have the decency to buy an overpriced bag of Skittles, as a token of your understanding.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
logged in with visible E-mail and homepage.
Thank you, Mr. IQ-below-penis-length.
I don't think the laws of the occupying country apply (completely, atleast) in the occupied territories.
For eg., Isreali army won't be able to kill anyone it likes in Isreal i.e. it can't indulge in extra judicial killings. But it can do so in Palestine. More importantly, people of the occupied territories don't have the same rights enjoyed by citizens of occupier. I've read news stories about the problem of judiciery in Iraq. They are not sure which old laws of Iraq apply ... there was no mention of US laws applying there.
Before 1947, in India, the British enacted separate laws just for India, many of them continue even today.
karma : former act as leading to inevitable results
Un-Thesis was not shut down for being a developer in the project, and he was far from being the author of the project. The project was originally named as LMule, and later forked to xMule. The original project died few weeks after the fork.
The real reason Un-Thesis was shut down was most probably the 30'000 mp3z he was sharing on various networks, NOT because he was developing a p2p program. RIAA has been shutting down power-sharers on P2P networks for quite some time already, its no secret. I bet they simply saw a great opportunity to get two flies with one hit - shut down a powersharer AND a developer. The fact that he lived in USA made it even simpler.
If RIAA really hopes to shut down the xMule project, then this won't happen. As we all know, open source software cannot be killed. And there is already an ongoing project for new client that will replace xMule in few months when its finished - currently under temporary name xMule2.
Madcat.
>> So save your money from suing people and spend it
:AJISF "ASNDfa sdf.....
>> on advertising, appealing to people's sense of
>> right and wrong.
Please tell me you're kidding. The last thing this planet needs are more fucking advertisements.
The Movie studios also have the option of:
- Not spending big gobs of money producing the same old crap over and over again because they've gotten the unwashed masses to beleive that because the early adopter unwashed masses spent the most money on seeing this hunk of flaming dogshit really does make it America's Number one Movie!
--OR--
If a $100 million dollar budget wasnt broken down by roughly:
50% Marketing, Advertising, focus audiences
20-25% Lead actors' salaries
4-6% supporting actors' salaries
(maybe 7% if aging/up-and-coming starlet shows boobs, 8% for a fuck scene)
10% Excplosions & car chases
5% Catering
10% Crew
0.00000001% Script Writing and Development
And things were JUST SCALED DOWN A BIT, there wouldnt be so much money to lose
--OR--
Marketing would not be needed to suck a degree IF YOU DIDNT MAKE SUCH CRAP!!!
Record Studios have the option of:
- Not giving advances to every 15 year old with a workable set of pipes and a sweet rack (yet have never played an instrument or written a song in their lives) and producing their next 3 albums of bubblegum junk.
and then having the gall to sell them for $20 a pop.
---AND---
Trying to get sympathy with one hand while the other is squeezing the testicles of the artists for every drop of blood they can extract
(We're ALL at fault for this. Letting these companies get this big and bloated is a direct result of us saying - adn KNOWING AS TRUTH - "God, why does most media fucking SUCKS ASS these days" and yet still we get together with our buddies, suck back a few beers and go see "Freddy -vs- Jason"
I did it. I'm guilty, and I'm not alone)
maybe I'm just angry. maybe THERES JUST TOO MUCH CRAP BEING FOISTED ON THE WORLD AND WERE SICK OF PAYING TO SORT THROUGH IT YOU FUCKING GREEDY FUCKERS!!!
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-whew-
much better now. back to lurking.
s'wut i sed.
Below is a copy of my letter to my senator, McCain, of Arizona. Feel free, indeed encouraged, to email your own senator (or even others!) and representatives. You can find their addresses at http://www.senate.gov/ and http://www.house.gov/
With respect,
Un-Thesis
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Dear Senators,
Some of you have . It affected me personally on 17-Aug 03. I am the main developer of one of the few person-to-person filetrading programs for UNIX (Linux, FreeBSD, etc) machines and MacOS X.
Apparently I was struck without warning by some DMCA clause for downloading 'copyrighted material.' In other parts of the law, you need habeus corpus, search warrants, judicial review, warning, etc. With the DMCA they merely terminate you, with no warning, with no appeal, with no representation, with no pretense of jurisdiction, based upon evidence that was 100% obtained outside the framework of any noticeable governmental or 3rd-party oversight.
In short, it is an apparently open fascist policy prone to rampant abuse, supporting the rights of the Establishment over the People.
My life revolves around the marvelous information transport technologies collectively referred to as the Internet. I attend a part-time university online (www.accis.edu), near 95% of my contact with my friends and family is online, 100% of my employment is online (via rentacoder.com), and my personal hobbies (www.xmule.org) and political activities (www.fearlesszippy.com, wakeup-people.com, etc) are online.
In short, terminating my internet without warning has seriously halted my life. It is time we make the right to chat online a fundamental human right. The government should be allowed to restrict a person's movements (prohibit uploads, downloads, etc) by placing restrictions on the amount of data a 'criminal' should be able to send online in a given day or so (500KB should be sufficient for email, chat, etc). Such bandwidth caps are already implemented by teh vast majority of broadband suppliers throughout the nation adn would be just about as easy to implement and enforce as the current DMCA suspension of accounts.
I just wish there would be *some* judicial process involved in the DMCA. I should have my constitutional right to a fair trial. This is above and beyond the reasons why most people download movies. People overseas download movies and music because of artificial monopoly regulations that delay the international exportation of American media by weeks and even months.
People in America download media because they are either too poor to purchase the overpriced media, and also primarily to see if a given media is of good enough intellecutal quality to warrant purchasing, due to the unequal consumer rights 'laws' which prohibit the returning of open media.
Generally, people download not out of nefarious intent, but because they lack real alternatives to verify the intellectual quality of any given electronic Media before purchasing.
Thus, more consumer rights laws, less 'illicit' copyright infringement.
Sincerely,
Theodore R. Smith
Promote freedom; fight fascism.
I could care less for your laundry list of history (true or not). Sorry but the Old Testament is not a guidebook for modern day foreign policy. The fact of the matter is that the Palestinian people are there, they aren't going anywhere and the Israelis and their cheerleaders have to face the facts. Either give them independence or integrate them with full citizenship, but since Israel is a pseuodemocracy (close to a theocracy) that is unlikely to happen. Neighboring nations shouldn't have to absorb the refugees because those aren't their homelands and it would basically reward Israel for taking their homes by force. They have put the Palestinian people in a ghetto and beaten them down in a way disturbingly similar to the way the Jews were in the Warsaw ghetto, but Israel is the perpetual victim even though they have nukes and a US sponsored military machine, right?
Arab antagonism to Jews only started when the British handed over land that wasn't theirs (grabbed from the Ottoman Empire) over to a 3rd party. The Brits had the support of other nations who were more than happy to see their Jews leave under the guise of "homeland". Nonnative Jewish populations from places such as Russia and Europe flooded in and carried with them antipathy for the locals (especially "schwartzes"). Even black Ethiopian Jews have had to face prejudice. Before this, Arab treatment of Jewish populations had been either indifferent or positive. It was the Christians who drove the Jews out of Spain after taking over Moorish lands and it was the Christian Crusaders who slaughtered Muslim and Jew alike in the conquest of Jerusalem.
I've found Israel's American supporters to be far more racist and fanatical than anyone I've met from Israel itself. It seems that the idea of the place matters more than the reality of it. People in the US and Israel allow the Palestinians to be treated in ways they themselves would never stand for. Israelis and American Jews have a double standard about how others are treated vs. constantly playing the Holocaust victim card to avoid judgment themselves. Constantly demonizing people only guarantees perpetual enmity.
Wow, this is great. I had never heard of earthstation5 before today.
Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
Earthstation 5 is at war with the Motion Picture Association of America
(MPAA) and the Record Association of America (RIAA), and to make our point
very clear that their governing laws and policys have absolutely no meaning to
us here in Palestine, we will continue to add even more movies for FREE.
I hadn't be able to come up with a word to describe the
-a
People don't download the crap. They don't even download the good stuff to avoid getting crap. They download to avoid paying.
Now, I'm no fan of any of the money-hungry lawsuit-happy big corps out there, but you have to use your head a bit. The RIAA business model is based around singles and one-hit-wonders. To get one decent song you want, you have to shell out for a whole CD or Album which often otherwise contains crap.
It's not about the expense of CD's themselves... I find that a CD with 90%+ good content is worth the bucks (if it weren't funding the RIAA)... it's about getting a shitty value for our dollar.
Now with movies it is different. Unless you go to opening night (and that's your choice) there are loads of movie reviews out quickly. The MPAA even admits that text messaging is speeding this process. Now, are these idiotic lawsuits a good thing? No.
However, to turn the buck around, is expecting to get away with downloading perfectly good movies just to avoid paying for them a good thing either? No! The MPAA does make good movies. Over the last year I've seen lots of em (American Wedding being the latest). They were worth my cash, and if the MPAA went after users who were providing bootleg/P2P movies I think that would be great. Going after the programmers is dumb... but everyone else is trying to freeload a quality product.
Come on people, you don't believe that anime should be "pirated", so why should movies? Want them to cost less, protest the huge f***ing wages going to bullsh*t actors or producers. Don't watch the movie. But if you go out and download Revelations insteading of paying to see/buy it... then you're no better them them... you're just being a greedy bastard.
In summary. Nope, we don't have to pay for the crap. But the stuff being downloaded isn't crap, or at least it's in demand, or it wouldn't be downloaded. I won't be buying any RIAA music anytime soon, but I will be seeing Revelations in the theatre, as it shoudl be. How about you?
Nill null and void! Heaven forbid if the Fourth Reich of USA allowed their government controlled CNN to talk about ES5 on their 24 hour news channel. Can't educate the masses afterall lol.
Indus valley and Vedic people lived in these areas from ... take this ... 3,500 B.C. Yes, a full 4000 years before Islam. And yes, the Vedas clearly state that these areas are the "mother land (mathru bhoomi)".
And hey, why are people talking about Mugabe throwing out a few white farmers ? Haven't native people been there for atleast 50,000 years?
You know what .... the muslims didn't drop out of the sky. The jews in Isreal, Hindus in India converted to Islam. So it is their land too, as much as it is jews/Hindus.
karma : former act as leading to inevitable results
Hohoho you forget the Israeli military, police politicians and in the end the people who vote on these politicians. You are blaming the Palestines and the neightboor countries for all the problems there? Yeah right.
Oh and when you look at history, you notice that the country is actually owned by the Palestines.
The US says they want peace. They are a joke. They are FAR, i repeat, they are FAAAAR from non-biased. Quite the opposite. And as a Palestine freedom fighter, i wouldn't want to talk with them.
You can share with your friends (instead of 60M people) so it's less guilt factor. Plus it is over an RSA encrypted link. The best of all P2P worlds.
http://waste.sourceforge.net/
"There are laws that enslave men, and laws that set them free. " - Sean Connery as King Arthur
Is this the cyberterrorism the talking heads on the idiot box have gone on and on about?
The Uncoveror: It's the real news.
I rember when arcades were thriving then home video games came out and as thay got better people stopped going to the arcade. Arcade owners cried. This is the same you could only see movies on the big screen (Theator), then vcr's came out rember the big ho ha about tape piroting? Now that DVD and big screen why go out. Get the DVD from a friend or from netflix. That is where the market has gone, who has time to go out to see something with $4 drinks and $8 popcorn. Mike
So maybe we should just distro everything through Palestine?
...somewhere in Gaza...
...
Picture this:
KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK
Suit: As a duly empowered representative of the government of the United States of America, I hereby serve you with the following court order...
[silence]
Suit: Why are you all smiling like that?
See, I know they were bigots
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
You should cut on watching CNN, dude.
Palestinians != Muslims != Islamists != Terrorists
For the "sake of curiousity" I decided that I wanted to check this site out. Particularly the claim of providing first-run movies (I'm not interested in wasting my money on The Hulk...hey I got the text page telling me it sucks, remember?). I don't know if it's the bandwidth constraints of refugee camps or the serious slashdotting but the movie stop for two minutes of buffering just about every 20 seconds.
u lk-384.wmv" , Target = "")
Frustrated, I whipped out my trusty copy of ASFRecorder. Imagine my surprise when it failed to connect! First time that has ever happened to me. So I whipped out my trusty backup copy of ASFRecorder that was recompiled with a Windows Media Player User-Agent string. That didn't work either! This was bizarre. I'm watching the video play right now (albeit poorly) in WMP but ASFRecorder with the exact same user agent is getting connection closed. I try HiDownload, again, failed, even with the same agent string! What is going on here?
The entire thing is SWF based so I download an evaluation copy of SWF Scanner and decide to see what URL I'm actually going to. Low and behold, what is this?
on (unLoad) {Get URL("mms://stream.es5.com:1755/es5/movies/The%20H
What the hell is with that blank "target" paramenter? Can anyone explain that? I have a feeling that is the problem. ASFRecorder only takes a URL, there is no place to specify a target. Ditto for HiDownloader and Windows Media Player. I confirmed that if I type the stream location into Media Player, it fails to connect. But, if I make an ASX file that links to the stream and includes the blank "target" parameter, it works!
Okay, now it's gone beyond trying to see if The Hulk is really as crappy as everyone says. This is a mystery, and I'm hoping someone here can figure it out.
In short, streaming file plays in Windows Media Player but it seems impossible to capture this stream using any of the tools available. Is there a solution? And why would these boneheads at war with the RIAA/MPAA bother to sabatoge downloads to begin with?
- JoeShmoe
.
-- I wonder which will go down in history as the bigger failure: the War on Drugs or the War on Filesharing
First, there's a fella who wrote a cool program. He's not rich, doesn't have any agendas other than paying his rent and making a living and isn't a major problem with the transfer of copyrighted material. He wrote a P2P application that has lotsa uses outside the realm of the RIAA's apparent tunnel vision.
Then, you have some jihad crazed Palestinian claiming to wage and open war on RIAA/MPAA with admitted illegal acts. This is just the meat the RIAA/MPAA needs to get stronger legistlation passed that in turn makes life very much harder on the rest of us. And, being Palestinians with very clear "Death to America" feelings - do *you* want to log onto their network? What with the suicide bombings, terrorism and this guy obviously very proud of the "war" and illegal actions he's committing - just what happens when this network of 15,000,000+ P2P computers suddenly becomes a DoS army to bring down the rest of the worlds networks. What are you going to say then? Sorry, in this case, the saying "united by a common enemy" should not be adopted - this guy and his network is dangerous to us all, makes us look bad, will facilitate the further errosion of our rights and is just a plain obnoxious ass.
I can't help but to wonder what their policy would be on locally (as in Palistinian/Israli) produced content, and how ES5 is percieved by those in the entertainment industry over there. Do they support it, believing it will help spread their product to a greater audience, or are they also against it, believing it will stifle their efforts?
Before I get flamed to death for the parent, I suppose I should point out that:
-I think sueing the authors of P2P apps is retarded
-I think sending out nastygrams to almost random IP's is retarded
-I think that the MPAA should be able to expect profit (and less "piracy") on the good movies. The others end up in bargain-bin anyhow...
-I think that sueing heavy P2P users, or litigating them, is a workable solution
-I think that sueing college students or teenagers for unreasonable amounts is retarded
-I think the RIAA and MPAA could both use a new business model... but that's not entirely the problem (people are cheap)
-I think that if you made something and millions of people were copying it without authorization you'd be pissed, too
It's hard to come up with the right analogy but how about clothing?
You want a new outfit. You go to the store. You try it on. You test the fit. You try different colors. You try different materials. You select your purchases based on a full use experience.
Movies (more especially) and music (to some degree) operate on a trust system. You read reviews of the product, you hear a song or two -- but you don't know what the full product is truly going to be like in use. No one wants to spend money based on trust. One wants a full use experience before committing the necessary money towards ownership or a personal copy license.
The MPAA/RIAA don't trust you the way they insist you trust them. The answer is stop playing the trust game. Another model must present itself -- something beyond extending copyright ad infinitum.
I will give the MPAA one break though, let's admit that for many people a movie is a one time experience -- you see the film, you're done with it forever. Full use is in some case the only use needed. One way to offset the difficulties presented is to drop the value risked (i.e. lower the price of a movie theater ticket) or allow refunds on demand. When I see a bad movie in the theater and paid full evening price (approaching $10 in SF) for the ticket, I do almost feel as if I had been mugged. That might be overstating it, but it's still not fair somehow.
That said, the RIAA is out of luck -- if the music is good you will listen to it again and again and again. Full use in advance is perfectly fair. If the music sucks you should never have to pay for it. But if you like it, you should buy it.
Isn't it amazing how something so unimportant as a few studios that produce screen plays and music can drastically change the laws in a huge country full of freedom loving (wanting) people?
The RIAA and MPAA members wealthy off our dollar. Please don't spend more money with these people unless you don't mind kissing more freedoms goodbye.
What the fuck are you waiting people??? The original post is complete crap but it gets moderated as "Interesting" rising ridiculous "There's a bomb in the room that's gonna blow everything in ten second. Hmmm, what I'll have for dinner tomorrows night??" questions and when the answer comes up - nobody.
1. No sig. 2. ???? 3. Profit!!!
post a traceroute to them servers? Thanks.
Jesus. If you don't like the man's argument, write a comment. But I see you like to piss in your pants a lot more than make reasonable discussion.
In this county, during its founding, it was acknowledged that citizens have a god given right to bear arms and protect themselves, among other rights.
This is the law here, if you don't approve, you may move to a country that doesn't attempt to protect those RIGHTS.
Pretty simple really.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Rather twisted view of things you have there, suing a manufacturer of firearms has NOTHING to do with 'stealing lives'.. It only has to do with people attempting backdoor means to remove the constitutional rights extended to the citizens of this country since day one.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Even if it takes years.. ill fight them, then sue them for damages afterwards.
If i represent myself, i wont cost as much, plus sice its still a civil manner ( for now ) there isnt any jail time, just a lot of court time..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Looks like we'll be ignoring North Korea's baby-murdering a little longer so we can go "terrorist-hunting" in Palestine!
I bet W is all over this like bad suits on lawyers.
*Smears on flame-retardant gel*
Saying that you have downloaded movies that you would never buy actually does give the **AAs an argument: since you took the time to download it, and more to the point, watch it, it must have some value; therefore you are ripping them off. "I wouldn't have bought it even if I could have" is a defence that would reduce any judge to tears of laughter.
You must remember that the **AAs don't care about your opinion of their work, just whether or not you have paid for it. It doesn't matter that you may not be able to spend 10,000 ($,,,) on movies, you have still obtained their services through an illegal channel.
Also consider, you may just be one individual, but how many others have downloaded those same files? That adds up. If they feel they are being ripped off (which they obviously do), they have no incentive to produce works of lasting quality (which they largely don't). Why release "Dark Side of the Moon" (14 years in the Billboard top 100) if its going to be all over the P2P networks in three months, when you can release something that will only sell for 3 months but costs far less to make? Their reasoning, not mine.
I agree that you don't need to completely boycott CDs/DVDs, and it is indeed counter-productive, since those who don't buy, by definition, aren't a market. The point I'm making is that if you wouldn't pay for it, DON'T WATCH IT! Pay for the stuff you do like, and with any luck they'll make less crap. The only message they understand is your money.
Has anyone seen the source code of this? How do we know that it isn't a trojan, and thay the whole thing isn't an attempt to gain control of a portion of the world IT infrastructure?
Thats right, their web site says they are a group of multinationals, and all good friends. Its a good thing you can trust everything you read on the net...
It strikes me that the earth station Boss or PR guy may not be using his real name as "Ras Kabir" which is the name in the press release is arabic for "Big head". this may just be a discrepancy in the was his arabic name has been phoneticly translated to roman characters though...
But it's seeds doubt in my mind...
An interesting article at Zeropaid.com. But has anyone here actually tried the software? It sounds too good to be true... Any personal experiences would be interesting.
Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
Now, I agree that his situation sucks. But when practically all your own life depends on an internet connection, how come you don't have some safeguards in place, like a second connection, even if it's a modem one?
My work isn't online, but here I have 4 computers, an UPS, and another one that I'll buy because I'm running out of capacity. I can also dig out my old modem if I ever need. If you depend so much on something, you have to take some care and make sure that you won't lose money while you look for some place that still sells AT supplies, or something like that.
They have a sales contact listed on their website but what are they selling?
How can they afford to give away FREE everything with no Ads or Spyware? What is the catch?
Please don't tell me that not everything is about money because it is.
- SR
I hate to break it to you, but Palestine has been at WAR with Israel for many many years (...you insensitive clod --couldn't resist :).
When you are at war, you don't think about making/selling movies mate.
On the other hand, they've been bitten by the Israel-supporting US many times, and they want to bite back.
When they say that 'US laws don't apply here'... well, we may generally have many counterexamples (Christiansen, anyone?), but they know that the system is already not in their favour, so why bother?
my 0.02
T.
I'm no longer fed up with MS Windows: I go rid of them
Haven't we already established P2P itself breaks no law, it is only the actual people who shares copyrighted material? Why go after the developers?
What does the court stand in this battle?
See, in 1983, before CD's came out, LP albums cost about $6.98, and tapes about the same. Then CD's came out, costing TEN DOLLARS MORE! The industry's excuse was that CD's cost more to make, "better sound forever", and other rubbish. Now we know these all were lies. CD's now cost about 1/10th as much to press as records cost at their cheapest (and I'm speaking 2003 dollars here which are worth about half of 1983 ones). CD's STILL cost almost 20 bucks apiece. The record companies' excuse is that inflation has finally caught up, which is more bullshit. In essence, they TRIPLED the price of CD's over LP's, got rid of LP's (to remove choice), got rid of singles (to make sure that you HAD to pay $17.98 to get the ONE song you liked), raped the consumer for over 20 years, formed cartels (which would have been illegal in 1983!) and now when the consumer finally has the ability to fight back they respond by bribing our lawmakers to maintain the status quo by passing the DMCA, throwing the Constitution out the window in the process. Yep..sure sounds like an upstanding business model and a fair deal for the consumer, huh?
and it's the ugliest damn program I've used in a long, long time.
"There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter," Jeeves, (Jeeves and the Impending Doom)
by the authors of Is Paris Burning?
The Israelis are merely doing to the Muslims what Hitler did to them. Displaced anger and transference, and all that.
I am also impressed with ES5, they are trying to fight back against MPAA/RIAA with going on the offensive at once.
MPAA/RIAA first destroyed Napster, a music only centralized system, that could have generated cash with a few tweeks to the system. But no the music industry did not want that so they killed it.
That left a void which was soon filled by Kazaa, DC and everybody else, some go to other countries, some go broke, some hang on only to see there users attacked by MPAA/RIAA. The field is now filled by these application and all of them are trying to talk to MPAA/RIAA. If another P2P app appears it will have no void to fill and therefore few users.
Therefore this ES5 has gone on the attack. They don't care about international laws, they protect their users identity, they use encryption. They are either trying to be the next big app and earn loads of cash or they will go down realy fast.
If they get a lot of users fast and they cannot be defeated legaly then I wouldn't be suprised if the MPAA/RIAA begin to fight dirty.
MPAA -> Bush -> Israeli president -> Army -> Missiles.
MPAA -> Bush -> Palestinian peace prosess -> New laws.
Palestinians, being semites themselves, can hardly be anti-semitics...
Somebody's not paying attention.
Semite means of the Semetic peoples, ie those in and around the Arab world
but 'anti-semite' has been tied to the jewish people for a long time.
Even your own source agrees with me (emphasis in dictionary):
Main Entry: anti-Semitism
Pronunciation: "an-ti-'se-m&-"ti-z&m, "an-"tI-
Function: noun
Date: 1882
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group
Main Entry: Semitic
Pronunciation: s&-'mi-tik also -'me-
Function: adjective
Etymology: German semitisch, from Semit, Semite Semite, probably from New Latin Semita, from Late Latin Semitic Shem
Date: 1813
1 : of, relating to, or constituting a subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic language family that includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic
2 : of, relating to, or characteristic of the Semites
3 : JEWISH
Use my userscript to add story images to Slashdot. There's no going back.
How about the rise in prices? How about the decline in the economy? How about the RIAA's drop in production? That alone could offset the decline in sales. If I produce 20% less product, how can I expect an increase in sales? How about the lack of quality? There aren't that many new acts that I am interested in. The reason I bought a lot of stuff in the 80's and 90's? I bought all the old stuff I wanted on CD. I certainly don't want to hear anything from Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera, or Brittany Spears. Ever. Not even if it was free. You'd have to pay me to listen to most of this crap, and I'd still be angry about it. Sorry kids. I like old rock and roll, and I own everything I want. Look at the following research article. http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:xnlNAoYzCdgJ: www.bricklin.com/recordsales.htm+RIAA+2001+revenue +drop&hl=en&start=9&ie=UTF-8
...with his visit to the Al Aqsa Mosque. And he's fighting it with my tax dollars, killing Palestinians and Americans like Rachel Corrie.
Someday there'll be a US administration that doesn't blindly follow Israeli fundamentalists and their ethnic cleansing agenda ("Israel as a Jewish state"). When that happens, right-wing Israelis will regret their past irresponsibility. I, for one, can't wait.
It's great that the links in the article don't even work. How's that for irony?
We all saw a child being held in his fathers arms
Cool your conspiracy-theory cover for Jew bashing, buddy. As quick as everyone was to embrace this lie, it became clear from investigation that the shots came from arabs, not Israelis that killed that boy.
Further investigation also revealed that it really was an arab waving his bloody hands after lynching an Jew. Remember that image, smarty?
Those that oppose Israel hate Jews. Most white liberals just secretly miss the days of European pogroms when their ancestors went on rampages bashing in the heads of Jewish children and sewing live cats into the stomachs of pregnant Jewish women. Think you have something to contribute to the discussion on Israel you descendants of Cossaks, Nazis and inquisitors?
It seens that the only non-free thing on the
... I liked it...who is working on
earth station software is just itself.
Not free as in speech at least.
So
a GPLD Gaia Station 5 to connect on their network
and when are the beta test versions due?
-><- no
Could the RIAA suck any more than it does today ? Is that possible. Can a group of people be more from hell ?
"I don't find that very funny."
(Score:-1, Whatever)
Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. - Ambrose Bierce
maybe you could do one of those "asseatingmonkeytrolls" ten times while you're giving a ticket ..
how long it's going to be before a car bomb is parked outside the door of this company?
A distinctive mark, characteristic, or sound indicating identity
1) What the hell are these peoples living in Palestine in a refugee camp and have BroadBand Connections.
.... I'll buy myself a PC to try their .exe cause I'm under OSX ... and then I'll try to figure out why people that care so much about hiding their users identities don't run linux and don't have even coded a linux version of their software :P
:D
2) Why the hell, are those people coding a P2P application that make you untraceable despite they don't need to be untracable as they live in a country that don't care about copyright.
3) How the hell people living in a refugee camp can afford buying ALL the www.earthstationv.*** at namescout.com a really crappy site to buy domain names for an "amazing coder team" such as them.
When I'll figure out those three thing
and finally I wonder why they don't read slashdot and haven't said anything here
"The next revolution in P2P file sharing is upon you. Resistance is futile and we are now in control".
Geeze, even the software developers talk like there in Hamas
MESSAGE FROM MEL
Date: Today 1:14:51 pm
From: Corporate Relations
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
TO: ALL VIACOM EMPLOYEES
FROM: MEL KARMAZIN
DATE: JULY 29, 2003
RE: MPAA DIGITAL PIRACY INITIATIVE
The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) and its member studios,
including Paramount Pictures, has launched a multifaceted public
education campaign to combat digital piracy. We are proud to support
this campaign and salute our colleagues at Paramount Pictures. Viacom is
committed to protecting intellectual property, which is a cornerstone of
the creative process and vital to our business interests around the
world.
The campaign began with a series of Public Service Announcements (PSAs)
that stress the importance of copyright protection. As part of this
unprecedented industry effort, over 25 broadcast and cable networks,
including CBS, UPN, MTV Networks and BET, agreed to run 30-second spots
on Thursday, July 24 at approximately 8:00 p.m. local time. In addition,
over 5,000 major motion picture exhibitors, including National
Amusements, will showcase similar PSAs on a daily basis in theaters
across the United States.
The initiative also includes a new consumer Web site,
www.respectcopyrights.org, which will serve as an informational resource
about the importance of copyrights as well as the effects of piracy on
the people, like all of us, who work in creative industries. The site
also provides links to online, high-quality entertainment alternatives
that are legal.
In addition, beginning in September 2003, the entertainment industry
will join forces with Junior Achievement to introduce a new curriculum
that educates students in grades 5-9 about the ethical, legal and
economic importance of protecting copyrights.
We hope you will take the time to learn more about this initiative and
how it will help the public understand why protecting creativity and
innovation is important and how piracy hurts everyone who loves and
values entertainment and information.
Maybe they are running spyware, and keeping IP logs. Maybe this is an RIAA/MPAA sting. That would be entrapment. This thread is calling out for the Fark.com Admiral Ackbar cliche'. Does anyone have ASCII art of it? It's a trap!
How ya like dat?
..Just live where 95.3% of the population live..
i.e., NOT the USA.
Now, what was the problem?
-Andy
I am the original poster, and if you'd looked at my reply that's right next to yours you'd have seen me say that, indeed, there are much bigger problems in both Palestine and Iraq. I've visited Israel and Palestine, and talked to people in both places. There's a lot of truly aweful stuff going on.
But, that does not make my original post "crap", nor worth the expletives you shoved on the people who modded it up.
This was a story about filesharing and copyright infringement, and I asked a relevant question! So unless you have something interesting and worthwhile to add to the discussion, sit down and be quiet.
I am concerned about any program, any piece of hardware, any treaty, any law that treats me as a consumer, not a citizen
"us here in Palestine"
wtf, last time I checked Palestine has not been around since 1948, way before P2P applications were invented.
does the Earthstation 5 need a reboot after installation. Enough for me to abort...
Product endorsements are good things! They're only a sellout if they endorse something they previously were aligned against. Like a PETA favoring star suddenly endorsing furs.
Endorsements let the artists earn money through another route besides album sales. They should aim to make money through endorsements and through concerts. Albums should pay for themselves and generate just a little revenue. That would make for fair pricing.
Something else everyone seems to forget. Video production costs, promostional costs, and a lot of other BS has gone through the roof since 1983. CD's aren't just music anymore - even though that's basically all you still get (well, that and smaller album covers).
Go ahead and look at the video quality from 1983 (except for perhaps Duran Duran - they started the million dollar video), and you'll see what I mean.
Most of these videos that are made today will never even see the light of MTV anyway but you'll pay for them by simplyh buying the $17 dollar CD. Well when I do buy said CD.. WHERE'S MY FUCKING VIDEO??! I've paid for it, and I feel like I'm being ripped off - you should too.
If the music industry wants to compete they need to do just that - COMPETE.
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
I know the situation isn't the same. However, it is an interesting thought. Will we ever get so sick of IP law, that we will stage a modern day Boston Tea Party? Even if we don't, it makes for an interesting look at my country's revolution.
Another interesting point is that the British felt the taxes imposed were legitimate given the cost of the French and Indian War.
What do you mean my sig is repetitive? What do you mean my sig is repetitive? What do you mean....
Hoax or not, Ive been watching Requiem For a Dream for the past 20 minutes. Before that I tried 8 Mile, just because its the first movie in the 'A' folder, im assuming its movies that have a number or A in the name....
So it it is a Hoax, they managed to get a shitload of movies online to stream to your PC....
Now If i can just find a spot to test the porn....
Actually you can look up the correct facts here:e 10.html
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrat
2000, United States
Drowning Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 16
ICD-10 Codes: W65-W74,X71,X92,Y21
Number of
Deaths Population Crude Rate
1,113 66,462,150 1.67
000, United States
Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 16
ICD-10 Codes: W32-W34,X72-X74,X93-X95,Y22-Y24,Y35.0
Number of
Deaths Population Crude Rate
1,046 66,462,150 1.57
As you see the total drowning just a small bit more than gun releated.
Now, there's no option for "pool releated", but I would say most drownings happen in dangerous places
, like where there is a big current.
ES5 being a spyware was my initial gut feeling -
The description of their client software reads as a crafted marketing message ('free this, free that') and sounds a bit too good to be true. Also they are not immediately perceived as people doing it for the fun of it, they don't disclose sources and 'f*ck corporations' attitude is not convincing enough to justify what seems to be very big development effort. In other words -
what's in it for them ?
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CD's don't always cost about $20. Sure, I can go to the record store in the mall and pay that or and I can go to places like Target, Borders, Best Buy, etc and pay $3-$7 less for the same CD, maybe even less online. I don't see that as the industry sticking it to the customer. There are other factors involved there. Consumers need to be smarter. Not all stores sell at list price. Don't pay $20 for a CD that you can get for $14 down the street.
'Same speed C but faster'
This is going to be interesting.
Try a traceroute on "www.earthstation5.com" and report back. Something unusual is going on.
The reason you can purchase them much cheaper at places like Best Buy and Target is because they're actually losing money on CD sales. Their philosophy is simple, and in my opnion, genius: if we offer a hot commodity (cheap tunes), they will purchase other crap from us, too.
u r-plate fecal matter.
I have a friend that is purchasing manager for the local branch of a chain record store. He told me that dreck like Eminem and 50 Cent cost the STORES approximately $15 per disc.
So you can see how big chains lose money on CD sales, and why they are willing to do so. Well, from everything I've heard, *were* willing to do. I've heard rumors (granted, nothing more, but from trusted sources) that Best Buy (and one can extrapolate other chains from this argument) are worried that they're losing SO much money, that they're going to stop selling CDs. Again, that is just rumor mills.
It doesn't affect me, personally, because I refuse to purchase music from any band on an RIAA label because a) I disagree with their litigation process, and b) they put out shit in CD form. Pure, unfiltered, still-steaming-fresh-from-the-cow's-asshole-to-yo
Um... That's an odd bit of entitlement, isn't it?
Am I "entitled to eat"? Exactly who provides the substance of that entitlement?
Sounds to me like someone has been accustomed to hand-outs for far too long.
As far as I'm concerned the constitution should not be modified at all, beyond the original 10 amendments.
you don't fold spindle or mutilate the foundation of a country due to the wind blowing a different direction this week.
Nor do i even accept 11+ as valid.
And dont worry, if its changed id leave... Or be first in line when the revolt occurs to put things back in order.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I think occupied territories don't have any laws. I'm not a lawyer but that's my impression. Instead, the closest thing to a legal system is the occupying power's wishes. Palestine does not have a government (it only has an "administration", which isn't even elected in most cases). So the laws that apply are whatever Isreal wishes, or the local authoraties (you can be one too) want.
:( ...
Similarly, I expect Iraq to have no TRUE legal system. Instead, American laws (or at least wishes) will be imposed on the Iraqis. This is the reality of the situation. After all, do you really think that USA will let Saddam's laws be used? Yes, Saddam, like all dictators, basically wrote the laws...
Occupied territories are similar to colonies, under colonialism. Colonies were basically slave states to the colonial power. They had a legal system but it was nothing more than the occupying force's rules passed off as law. SAdly, the population followed the rules
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Sivaram Velauthapillai
Seeking the meaning of life... @slashdot of all places
google group has some interesting things to say on 'earthstation5' An example. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=earthstation5&hl =en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=fnhggvoeut4ubuk5g2q d0rdqu4piuev8ob%404ax.com&rnum=7
Sorry, I think you must have forgotten about the six day war in 1967 (OK so it was a "preemptive strike". Name a war where the first person to attack hasn't claimed that).
Ask France what happens when you do nothing as massive amounts of troops and weapons move toward your borders. As for wars where the first people to attack didn't claim self-defense, you give two examples below: Israel's war for independence and the Yom Kippur war where the only aims were to destroy Israel.
You also seem to have overlooked the 1978 and 1982 invasions of Lebanon -- the last one being condemned even by the US. So by my counting Israel was invaded twice in the last 55 years: the 1947 independence war and the 1973 Yom Kippur war. Perhaps you were confusing Israel with Lebanon, which has never started a war but has been invaded three times in the last 30 years (by Syria in 1976, Israel in 1978 and 1982).
Considering all the attacks on Israel from bases in Lebanon (which was and is still controlled by Syria but nobody complains about that bloody occupation) I'm going to believe Israel's self-defense arguments in that instance too. We took out the Taliban for pretty much the same reason.
Because the Palestinians don't have the option of sending in helicopter gunships to assassinate Israeli politicians. I'm not condoning suicide bombings, but your comparison is laughable. In a conflict, each side will naturally make use of the means at its disposal. Moreover israel's "targeted assassinations" invariably kill many more people than just those being targeted -- but obviously a 6-year-old girl who happens to live next door to a Hamas leader doesn't matter as much as a 6-year-old killed in a suicide bombing.
You are condoning suicide bombings. Hell, you're condoning suicide bombings against civilians too by morally equivicating the actions of a democratic nation defending itself to thugs who target civilians in order to invite the harshest reprisals possible in order to win over public opinion. And it appears to be working (an AP story today was titled Hamas abandons truce after Israel strike. Heck, I thought they abandoned the truce when they bombed an Israeli bus and killed 20 people-6 children). Yeah more people that those just target by Israel die but they're not invariably or even often innocent civilians. And even if they were the rules of war permit proportionality in the use of force against legitimate targets (think Deathstar contractors). That is, you could bomb a convoy with Saddam even if his civilian family is with him. One of the first polls ever conducted of the Palestinians showed that a majority didn't support suicide bombings because of the harsh reprisals and their prevention of any peaceful settlement. Plenty of rebels succeeded without resorting to systematically targeting civilians. But again, Israel wouldn't be doing any of that shit if they weren't getting attacked all the time.
And guess why the Palestinians don't have the 'means' to destroy Israel. Other Arab countries aren't really interested in the Palestinian's cause other than use as a distraction from their own problems. Despite the fact that Palestinian GDP is better than most Arab peoples (excluding oil) because of their economic ties to Israel they could still be much better off if they cooperated rather than try to push Israel into the sea. The Palestinians who live in Israel have more right and are generally better of than Arabs pretty much anywhere else.
Sorry to go off topic on this Isreali /Palastinean discussion, but has anyone used this EarthStation p2p? Any good? How would you rate it?
Hello---mldonkey team...Can you hear me now?
The Hamas Charter states there can be no peace as long as Israel exists. For example:
"Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences
[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith...There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. The Palestinian people are too noble to have their future, their right and their destiny submitted to a vain game."
Further, they define Palestine as including Israel itself.
I won't use ES5 anymore until they changed the childish GUI and the possibility to resume downloads.
A third world country is hurting us at 0.0000000003% GDP per annu. They're not blowing them selves up or other peoples children. They are doing some harm to our economy yet are also spreading our culture and propaganda.
Get a freaking life!!!!
I bet you have the complete "Porky's" collection too, huh?
Sheesh, talk about falling off the clue train. For the record I don't pay to see movies or buy CDs - but I also download any damn thing I please. Ironically, that very rarely includes music published under an RIAA label. And it most certainly never includes movies, since I live in an area that will have broadband about the time Michael Eisner becomes POTUS.
Frankly, I'm all for greedy bastards - just not greedy bastards in suits. I wish everyone in the US would download more shit and stop sending their money to Hollywood, because Hollywood has way too fucking much power and if you cut off the money you put lobbyists on the street, which means you destroy the power.
That very same "greed" is what put a bunch of snooty frenchmen on the gallows. The american people might be too stupid to elect representatives that actually represent them, but greed is the one universal human trait that can be relied upon to enact change when nothing else will.
I will usually check boycott-riaa.com prior to making a purchase. I want to ensure NO member of the RIAA ever sees any profit from me. It really hurt me when I found Rockstar Games on the list.
I really like Bloodshot Records. They're non-RIAA. Epitaph and most other punk labels are also non-RIAA.
Cannibals capture three hunters an American, a Briton, and an Israeli," begins a classic Israeli joke. The first two hunters make last requests typical to their nationalities, then it is the Israeli's turn. He asks that he be punched in the face.
The surprised cannibal grants the wish, at which point the Israeli pulls out a gun, shoots the chief, and frees himself and his friends. The American and Briton, furious, demand to know why he prolonged their terrifying experience when he had the power to free them all. The Israeli replies: "What? Are you mad? The UN would have condemned me as the aggressor.
and to make our point very clear that their governing laws and policys have absolutely no meaning to us here in Palestine, we will continue to add even more movies for FREE.
So is the MPAA going to go after these guys, or just wait for Israel to bulldoze the right house ? There's a joke in here about Jews controlling the media, but I have a feeling people would take it too seriously.
In Soviet America the banks rob you!
Copied from Associated Press
RIAA strikes back.
Several weeks ago, the writers of an obscure program known as Earth Station 5 (ES5) declared "war" on the RIAA. Most computer users saw it as a media attention grabbing announcement because their "press release" was mostly a glorified sales pitch. In the release, they claimed to have over 20 million users online, when in fact, the figure is closer to 20 thousand.
ES5's network uses two technologies that have been around for a while. The first is known as Secure Socket Layer 3.0 (SSL) which is the standard for online financial transactions. The other is known as a proxy server. A proxy is commonly used by internet and network providers to cache data for faster access and/or allow people to access parts of a network that a firewall would otherwise block. Since the RIAA as been using people's IP addresses to subpoena ISP's, a proxy is used in this case to hide the user's IP.
The RIAA's sting operation began a few days after the announcement by ES5 developers. They purchased a set of IP addresses outside of their public known ranges in order to fool people, who ordinarily block them, into a false sense of security. Then they set up two "secure and anonymous" proxy servers for use by ES5 and began to quietly announce them in to popular P2P websites.
They let the servers run for at least a month. During this time they collected information about everything that people were transmitting and receiving. Besides what was being transferred, they also collected bandwidth usage statistics as well as IP addresses. Of the 20 thousand actual users, 5 thousand users in the U.S. have used one of the two proxies, and has been issued subpoenas.
Okay, I'm picking this one up. This is just waaaaaay too amusing.
1. CINEMA - Israeli law doesn't give a yellow doggypoo about DVD-related offences. Our DVD libraries hold movies from just about every region there is out there, Airline Region7/8 not excluded. Out in the open. Our locally-produced DVD's say "Region 2" but are actually unencrypted.
2. CINEMA - Most of our DVD appliances are sold in an already-patched-to-RPC1 state.
3. Our courts of law will let a home-end-user off the hook 100% of the time if he pleads being naive to the law or to what his actions mean (Oh, this is illegal? Sorry!). This has already happened a few times.
4. RIAA, local version - Our "RIAA-thingie" commonly known as ACUM is this pathetic granny-organization. Every once in a while they realize local artists who haven't recorded a single track in 18 years are not making enough money, so they make a commercial with said artists looking at the ground and shutting up for about 30 seconds. Some people complained of a strange gut feeling after watching this, not unlike what you get when you see 15kg starving human beings in Somalia. It is claimed that this is induced by their morbidly grim (and silent) stares rather than their weight. The failure of the campaign lay in the fact that it caused people to rush to the toilet and throw up rather than rush to their favorite CD store and buy a CD.
5. RIAA, local version - Probbably the worst lawsuit that got headlines in the last two years was a 2-seat hair-saloon that got sued when an ACUM undercover agent (urp?!) who realized they were playing a CD (and did not receive explicit permission from the artist to play it in a public place). This made headlines. The saloon got sued for ~2K$. 2K$ is not a whole damn lot in Israel. But definitely worth its entertainment weight in gold. Yes, Israelis steal local content, but at least our RIAA-wannabe-thingamabob doesn't think it can just shut the internet down. Then again, I don't think they understand what an internet is or how you turn it on. Same for the record labels, most of whose sites are made up of four FrontPage95-Generated HTMLs. (but with anchors!).
6. Software - Businesses that heavily use illegal software are sometimes prosecuted. That's because the local M$/ADOBE-sponsored BSA (anti-sw-piracy) organization is sponsored relatively well. Then again I believe they're employing mostly lawyers, and aren't aware that P2P is around, or, for the matter, what P2P is in the first place. I don't think I ever read anything said by the BSA regarding P2P in the press. EVER.
And, the sweetest of the lot:
7. Palestine? Copyright Laws? _LAWS_? MUA. MUAHA. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Sorry. Spontaneous Burst.
Palestine is an anarchy, a no-mans-land, theoretically controlled by the Israeli military (who periodically run around and have very itchy trigger fingers, and for a good, or at least healthy reason), and several ""palestinian"" criminal gangs like the Hammas, the Islamic Jihad, etc. I say "criminal gangs" because these people couldn't care less if the entire _palestinian_ people, their own mothers included, had an eye torn out with a fishhook and no anaesthetic tomorrow. Said criminals are into power, politics, and proving to the world that they have the longest ***O by blowing up all the civvies they can. And to hell with their own mother.
Copyright laws to them... sorta like a PhD in quantum physics is to a fish (which hasn't figured out what to do with the bycicle yet).
The one realistic observation one has to make on the matter of this whole thing being a farce is that 90% of the palestinian people are well below the poverty line. This means they don't have enough to feed their children.
So either this guy has a wealthy dad (in which case he'd probbably be living in Europe/USA/Down-Under) and absolutely zlip to do with his money, or he plain isn't where he says he is. Keep in mind that Internet in Israel/PALand costs more than it does in the US. You pay more than 2$/Gig a month here. More like 50$/1.5M. Do the math.
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Apparently because of some loophole in the Canadian Copyright Act of 1998, it just might be legal for us Canadians to share music. http://techcentralstation.com/1051/techwrapper.jsp ?PID=1051-250&CID=1051-081803C
I submitted this article yesterday but, not surprisingly, the mods even less objective than meta-mods. :)
You insensitive clod!
"Dancing is the vertical expression of a horizontal desire" --Robert Frost
Hey, the US has paid billions to help the Israeli state bomb the Palestinians into the stone age, it's not surprising there is not huge local support for US "intellectual property".
The Palestinians were already in the stone age like most Arabs. The ironic thing is that the Palestinians would actually be as worse off as most Arabs but for Israel's economic influence and the massive amount of aid from the US. (The US is actually the largest aid donor to the Palestinians and in some years contribute more than all Arab states combined.) More Muslims and Arabs are killed by their own governments than Israel any given day but Israel gets nearly all the attention. I wonder why.
ES5 *IS* actually TROJAN SPYWARE proof!!! DANGER
k .net... ...
"DN" wrote in message
news:4H%Ka.6750$v71.3255@nwrddc01.gnilin
: The Earthstation 5 (ES5) P2P app, which boasts anonymous sharing
: and security, is actually software designed by contractors hired
: by the RIAA! The "Dating" feature was designed to trick users
: into entering their personal info, which makes it easier for the
: RIAA to compile statistics and track down users. All traffic
: statistics are routed through proxies operated by agencies
: working for the RIAA, most notably BayTSP and MediaForce. The
: cheesy outerspace theme was designed to appeal to newbies while
: appearing to have a feeling of security to it without scaring
: away the non-techies. Company info for ES5 is very vague,
: can you guess why?
:
: ES5 is just one of the many projects in effect by the RIAA. The
: MPAA is staying somewhat neutral at the moment, but has similiar
: plans in store.
:
: BOTTOM LINE: DO NOT USE ES5!
:
does anyone here want to refute this!!! this has been known for over a month.
This is not +Funny, this is +Insightful
"We must hold the pool-industrial complex responsible for their reckless murder of thousands of innocents!"
How does this qualify as informative? lol
I really can't buy this.
In Texas (and in other places, I just don't know if there's one where you live) we have a store called Hastings. Hastings tends to sell CDs at anywhere from $11 to $15 with occasional spikes or dips depending up on the CD. The other thing the store does is video rentals, books, and a very small computer game section. Their music selection is larger than Best Buy and generally considered one of their main sources of income. At the prices you're quoting, there is no way they could be making money. Books are big, videos certainly are, but the using music as a draw for people to buy other items simply wouldn't work in a store where the average "other item" probably costs around $5 (combined books and video rentals).
Jurisdiction. Specifically, the case that held the legality if P2P was decided in a different district than this case, so there is no appliciable precedent here. That's how the system works: precedent only works in the jurisdiction of the court making precedent, and only for lower courts at that.
Further, precedent doesn't prevent a lawsuit from being filed; it merely provides a tool for the defense team. As a practical matter, when there is a strong precedent favoring the defense, the plaintiff (or prosecution, in criminal cases) will decline to file, as he knows he has a weak case; however, without a strong precedent, or with a precedent he feels will be overturned (setting a precedent in the opposite direction, which they already have in some jurisdictions), the plaintiff may decide to press anyway. The plaintiff may also believe the precedent may not apply (and I sincerely doubt anybody here is sufficiently familiar with the circumstances of the KaZaA case and case to make such a determination; indeed, it's up to the presiding judge to make that call, in every case). Further, the plaintiff can file anything he wants; it's up to the defense to even mention the precedent. That is, each side has the make its own case, and if it fails to do so, it loses. The judge cannot rule on evidence not presented.
(Note that this applies in all cases, to all parties: for example, in criminal law, you can be guilty as hell, but if the prosecutor fails to prove just one of the elements of the offense, even by omission, you can ask for an immediate dismissal on the grounds that he didn't prove all elements, and you'll get it.)
I, of course, am not a lawyer, but I sit next to one at the dinner table.
Moderate drunk! It's more fun that way!
License.txt:
Copyright (C) 2001-2002 Whatever
suits them corporate bastardos well... hahahahahahahahaha. and no doubt there are posts here doubting whether its spyware in itself. all you cows would believe in is when a white man writes crappy software and sells it to you for $200
muaahahahahahahah
I'm from Colombia and I laugh because the Medellin Cartel jokes. And I've had colateral consecuences because the armed conflict.
Humor is a good way of get free of so much stress and stuff, if youre really affected by conflicts. You don't imagine what armed groups do to people here because the press is somewhat censored about that. If you live in the USA and feel ashamed by your governments actions and believe that feeling sorry about all that can change something, well, that's not true.
And I laughed!!!
We are Turing O-Machines. The Oracle is out there.
Well, it could be that as purchaser for his branch, he is buying the CDs from a main corporate distributor for the store, and it has already added its standard markup. That's just a guess though. It could also be that, like you say, there are spikes and dips - mostly a function of the artist and how much the label believes they can suck you for. Most big chains don't have that spike or dip phenomenon, and may simply even out their prices. Again, these are just guesses.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism
:D )
Anti-Semitism is hatred or antipathy directed against Jews. It typically takes the form of
hostility toward Jews in a degree that greatly exceeds any legitimate grievances or resulting from no legitimate cause whatsoever; or
disdain for supposed physical or moral features of Jews.
The opposite of anti-Semitism is philo-Semitism: love and respect of Judaism and the Jewish people. The adjectival form is anti-Semitic.
Etymology and Usage
Wilhelm Marr coined the German word Antisemitismus in Germany in 1873, at a time when racial science was fashionable but religious hatred wasn't. The term signified the transformation anti-Jewish sentiments and Jew-hatred ("JudenhaB") underwent in the 19th century, when the only Semitic people found in significant numbers in Germany were Jews. Anti-semitism was a new way to express and understand the old Jew-hatred, more adapted to 19th century beliefs in scientific progress and Nationalism. The related word semitism was coined around 12 years later, in 1885.
Here's a little more for you:
The argument is sometimes put forward that the Arabs cannot be anti-Semitic because they themselves are Semites. Such a statement is self-evidently absurd, and the argument that supports it is doubly flawed. First, the term "Semite" has no meaning as applied to groups as heterogeneous as the Arabs or the Jews, and indeed it could be argued that the use of such terms is in itself a sign of racism and certainly of either ignorance or bad faith. Second, anti-Semitism has never anywhere been concerned with anyone but Jews, and is therefore available to Arabs as to other people as an option should they choose it.
A great deal of modern writing about Jews, in the Arab lands as in other parts of the Islamic world, might suggest that many have indeed chosen this option.
Bernard Lewis Semites and Anti-Semites p. 117
(hat tips to SecHumanist and Zulubaby from the LFG
P2P has only created a %7 loss in the industry, that's right.. 7%. not a huge number either, and the artists who are bitching, right after they complain how they're going poor, they buy a new load of sports cars. it's crap, it's greed at its finest, people got tired of the greed and found a way to extend their middle fingers, so now these greedy companies want the government to supress the people into being a controlled permanent money flow. this is where mainstream music is about to die. what;s funny is that there was also a chart showing how much cd sales have tripled from p2p. The real problem are the real pirates, who copy cd's and then redistribute them for a lower price, etc. that's what has been hurting the industry for many years.. but, the industry didnt bitch back then.. so, I think it's just whoever's the easier target, and all that is going to happen in light of this is that the mainstream music industry is going to go broke eventually, people will get wise and listen to IUMA and indie labels. you'll still have the brainwashed people who will back the industry to the grave, becuase they're used to being controlled by someone much "bigger" than them.. and really, you think about it, the industry is below us becuase their existance relies on us. same with actors and actresses, and all of the media. same with the government and all the major companies. we made them, and they forget, we can destroy them, they're trying to make so we cant now, but, you really cant whip the human will down into doing that, well, at least, not right away.
Have you ever tried downloading movies on kazaa. If you don't get a misnamed file, clipped file, or just have to wait several days to get the darn thing you are quite lucky, and I don't find that convenient.
Moreover, when I want to watch a movie, I want to watch it *now*. Not "in 3-5 days when the download is complete"
How is that any less convenient than going to the local rental store (and rental for about $3-5 is not completely unreasonable).
And you still have to look at the quality of the product as part of the package, after all, a product is not just about how slightly inconvenient it is for you to not obtain it illegally, it's about how much the actual product is worth to you to obtain.
As for online movies-by-demand... it's a coming thing, just like iTunes is starting to do for music. Bandwidth/etc considerations are that it may be an expensive venture initially though...
in iraq, it was the world bank. Big freaking difference. Interesting how the media doesn't makes it's assumptions...
you're missing the point. The labels should be selling CD's for ~$2 to distributors, and they should cost ~$5-$7 dollars at most for the consumer. That would be reasonable. $15 dollars isn't.
The (narrow) comparison was accidental deaths from guns to accidental deaths from drowning.
The broader point was that we don't ban everything just because it is unsafe.
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Maybe it's because Israel is the nation that's occupying Palestinian land by force and has displaced countless native inhabitants from hundreds of cities. And are you implying that the evil, depsotic actions of the Israeli government are less morally repugnant when compared to the evil despotic actions of other governments?
Don't forget the payola situation. Sure, it's technically illegal, but it is not actively enforced, so it might as well be legal and it has been routine for years. Just try to get an independent single played on a commercial radio station.
Also, it was PUBLICIZED around the 1983 timeframe that CDs were cheaper to manufacture, as I remember thinking "great, music will be more affordable now." Instead, they figured the "golden ears" would pay more for the supposedly higher quality media. Then, many of us bought CD copies of the LP's we used to have because we didn't want to have to maintain both types of playback equipment. Did we get a discount or trade-in value for our previous purchase? Of course not.
Now, I don't buy music at stores at all anymore, when I used to spend at least $100 a week on it for years. I don't P2P trade it either. There are plenty of good new artists out there that are ignored by the industry because they prefer to hype huge acts which is the music industry version of what other industries call ECONOMY OF SCALE, and consequently, most of what new stuff is out there hasn't been worth listening to. My 30 year x $100 week collection gives me plenty of old stuff to choose from, so it's not like I'm not able to listen to any music. But in the "biz" it's been about profits not music for so long that it's just a commodity market to control.
And they wonder why people are pissed at them. Gray Davis is wondering that too, but a fat lot of good it's gonna do any of them now-- the jig's up...
Here's something I don't get. There's probably alot of OSS designers on Slashdot, pretty much 80% of them (a guess) are pissed off at the RIAA/MPAA I don't get it. I like indie films. I'd like to watch more of them - preferably on my computer. But I haven't had a chance to hear about most of them. Why hasn't someone invented a P2P client for movies, like Furthernet, that only allows you to download authorized indie movies? I'm sure indie film makers will love the idea, and it provides a true alternative to the MPAA's whining while still being 99% liability proof. I'm lucky I live in a city which actually has a big collection of indie movies playing, Austin, but why can't someone with some coding skills just write a P2P client like Furthernet for movies? Hell, I bet you could even just take the Furthernet code and switch the authorized downloads around! -- Funksaw
I'm sure the RIAA/MPAA is not going to sit by on this sort of thing. I'm sure they'll reach a point where if countries do not have laws and enforcement in place to stop p2p, piracy, etc. to their liking, then they'll hit 'em right in the commerce by refusing to release movies in the countries that don't play by their rules.
Not that it's really going to do much, but I'm sure that the RIAA/MPAA are going to eventually go with the "I'll take my ball and go home" approach.
/*drunk.. fix later*/
It's worth noting that the US only supported Isreal in its current form after they had to stand on their own with nothing between them and annihilation.
:).
The arabs picked a fight, the palestinians have never been loved, and considering their attitudes, they're like angry tanned serbians, it's not hard to see why, if people want to start assigning blame, start with the UK end with the arabs, the US didn't mess any of that shit up, it was like that when we found it.
A reflection back through history teaches us a little conquest can be helpful, a homoginizing force that can actually bring people together.
Would modern china be what it was without the waring states period, and of course the mongol invasion? Hell no, there wouldn't be a chinese identity without it. They'd be all spread out in crazy little tribes that hate each other too. But thanks to their vicimization, and lets not leave out the colonial powers, they've got a billion people who might not love their system of government, but they can more or less be moved to action as one people.
Modern sensibilities aside, there's certainly a case to be made for writing off a couple of ethanicities that can't move out of some imagined feudal utopia, and into the world we live in. Serbians, angry camel jockies, crazy jungle living bitches from the southern philipines, our very own millitia groups at home, seemingly most of africa, I'm looking at you. Your clock is ticking, learn to play nice, or else
Sometimes people want to fight bad enough, that there is nothing you can do, but kill one, or just let them slug it out until one of them just doesn't have any fight left.
It certainly seems like that is the case with isreal, and her foes. And quite frankly the same goes for uncle Sam and his. In which case, Gengis Khan has much to teach us. You can try to kill everyone who hates you, or just doesn't agree with you, but that's hard. It's much easier to go where they live and obliterate everything they know and love. Soon, no one will want to risk fighting you, but cause they'll have to risk and probably loose everything for a victory that won't even be symbolic because no one will remember it. It's no coincidence that the mongols ruled over both russia and china providing them with a national identity, and forging them into the superpowers they are today.
Likewise, holding back for both the US and isreal only purpetuates the fighting, and just insures another generation will grow up, poor, a drift, hurting and hating.
Overall "Can't we all just get along?" soundsly like a reasonable question, and perhaps we could all agree it's a great sentiment, but the world just doesn't run on hugs. (Mostly greed and ignorance from what I can gather.) We're all bound by the limitations we face, not the ones we wished we faced.
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Honey Pot
Beware!
Once the industry tracking organizations demonstrate that the money spent on entertainment has simply shifted to organizations not involved with the *AA organizations, it's all over.
No more piracy as an excuse, and a bunch of companies we don't like will be forced to find new business models or die under new management or in the case of the record companies, new owners.
Tech Public Policy stuff
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Who Rules America?
The Alien Grip on Our News and Entertainment Media Must Be Broken
By the Research Staff of National Vanguard Books
P.O. Box 330 Hillsboro West Virginia 24946 USA
There is no greater power in the world today than that wielded by the manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even remotely approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's mass media of news and entertainment.
Their power is not distant and impersonal; it reaches into every home in America, and it works its will during nearly every waking hour. It is the power that shapes and molds the mind of virtually every citizen, young or old, rich or poor, simple or sophisticated.
The mass media form for us our image of the world and then tell us what to think about that image. Essentially everything we know -- or think we know -- about events outside our own neighborhood or circle of acquaintances comes to us via our daily newspaper, our weekly news magazine, our radio, or our television.
It is not just the heavy-handed suppression of certain news stories from our newspapers or the blatant propagandizing of history-distorting TV "docudramas" that characterizes the opinion-manipulating techniques of the media masters. They exercise both subtlety and thoroughness in their management of the news and the entertainment that they present to us.
For example, the way in which the news is covered: which items are emphasized and which are played down; the reporter's choice of words, tone of voice, and facial expressions; the wording of headlines; the choice of illustrations -- all of these things subliminally and yet profoundly affect the way in which we interpret what we see or hear.
On top of this, of course, the columnists and editors remove any remaining doubt from our minds as to just what we are to think about it all. Employing carefully developed psychological techniques, they guide our thought and opinion so that we can be in tune with the "in" crowd, the "beautiful people," the "smart money." They let us know exactly what our attitudes should be toward various types of people and behavior by placing those people or that behavior in the context of a TV drama or situation comedy and having the other TV characters react in the Politically Correct way.
Molding American Minds
For example, a racially mixed couple will be respected, liked, and socially sought after by other characters, as will a "take charge" Black scholar or businessman, or a sensitive and talented homosexual, or a poor but honest and hardworking illegal alien from Mexico. On the other hand, a White racist -- that is, any racially conscious White person who looks askance at miscegenation or at the rapidly darkening racial situation in America -- is portrayed, at best, as a despicable bigot who is reviled by the other characters, or, at worst, as a dangerous psychopath who is fascinated by firearms and is a menace to all law-abiding citizens. The White racist "gun nut," in fact, has become a familiar stereotype on TV shows.
The average American, of whose daily life TV-watching takes such an unhealthy portion, distinguishes between these fictional situations and reality only with difficulty, if at all. He responds to the televised actions, statements, and attitudes of TV actors much as he does to his own peers in real life. For all too many Americans the real world has been replaced by the false reality of the TV environment, and it is to this false reality that his urge to conform responds. Thus, when a TV scriptwriter expresses approval of some ideas and actions through the TV characters for whom he is writing, and disapproval of others, he exerts a powerful pressure on millions of viewers toward conformity with his own views.
And as it is with TV entertainment, so it is also with the news, whether televised or printed. The insidious thing about this form of thought control is that even when we rea
Among them: Gypsies, Farsis, Ba'hai, Cossacks, Burakumin, etc., etc. So why is it that we only ever get to hear about the trials and tribulations of the Jews? I for one would like to watch one, count 'em, one news broadcast that wasn't all-Israel, all-the-time. You'd think they could talk about the Chechens or poor Kashmiris just once in a while out of sheer boredom with the subject of Israel and Jews/Palestinians.
So why is it that we are always bombarded with Israel? Is it because they're a major oil-producing nation? uh, no. Is it because they possess some natural resource that is of vital importance to the strategic security of the United States? uh, no. Is it because they are a major trading partner? uh, no. Is it because they are strategically important to the U.S. military, as in major American bases are there? uh, no. Is it because Israel is an incredibly populous country? uh, no. fewer people than the greater Cleveland metro area, actually. Is it because they're an extremely powerful country? uh, no. never have been, never will be. Is it because they're an embattled democracy? Well, gee, so is Columbia. So is India. BFD. We don't get to watch anything about them in the news though, do we? In short, there is no good reason why the entire populace of the world's only superpower should be plagued with incessant whining about a country that most people couldn't care less about.
I recognize that all 1.5 million Jews in this country might care very intensely about Israel. Fine, go obsess on your own time. The other 250 million plus of us just wish you'd shut the hell up.
I've used the Hi-Net streaming recorder several times and have had not problems recording the streaming video. It recorded in real time and played back fine using Windows media player.
BTW the servers hosting the streaming movies are located on an island in the South Pacific. (per the ES5 forum)
Software programs have demos. Cars have test drives. Even video games (consoles) have store displays. All these allow a consumer to 'try before you buy'. Music can be heard on the radio or in the store (but has other issues, such as a lack of selecting particul tracks from an album).
Point is, movies don't have 'free trials.' Some might argue previews, but that is such a condensed version and has very little meaning.
SO lets say im not into downloading music/movies/media at all, but I use lynx and read the odd website (just text). The text has a copyright notice at the bottom of the website... - I just downloaded copyrighted material - would this be grounds for the 'canning' of my internet connection due to downloading 'copyrighted material?'
I do read reviews, but on at least a few occaisions I disagree with the review(s). While I take these into consideration, I prefer to form my own opinions based on first hand experience. Just because "everyone" says "it's bad" doesn't mean you won't like it.
Goes with the old saying "if your friends were jumping off a bridge, would you do it too?"
[source: http://www.sustaincampaign.org/Ethniccleansingchro nology.pdf ]
1947:
European Powers divide Palestine into Jewish and Arab states giving over half the land, and control of
major resources to the minority Jewish population (roughly 1/3) which owned only 7% of the land.
Fighting breaks out as Palestinian population rejects this division.
1948:
Arab States join war in support of Palestinian population. Israel occupies nearly 80% of Palestine,
over 750,000 Palestinians are driven from homes and not allowed to return.
1967:
Israel conquers remaining 22% of Palestine, and places West Bank and Gaza under military
occupation. UN declares that Israel should withdraw to pre-67 borders, allow repatriation of
Palestinian refugees, and that all appropriation of lands conquered in war are illegal.
1967 - 1993:
Arbitrary imprisonment, beating, torture, house demolition, appropriation of Palestinian land in
occupied territories for settlers, economic subordination, and arbitrary searches become commonplace
elements of life in occupied Palestine. 116,300 "settlers" move into the West Bank and Gaza in
violation of international law. (The 4th Geneva convention Article 49 states that the "Occupying Power
shall not transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.")
(The other advantage of this tactic is that even if it doesn't change the RIAA's minds, you've got the music you wanted for free).
Styles of new music the RIAA put out and actively promoted during the 80's:
Styles of new music the RIAA is putting out and actively promoting today:
That is the reason people aren't buying as much from the RIAA as they used to. The variety is gone.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
First, you assume that its the Palestinian's land. It isn't. The region that was supposed to become Israel was divided up - part to the Arabs and part to the Jews. The part that went to the arabs is now called Jordan. Second, you assume the paletinians are reasonable. They aren't. They are totally dedicated to the destruction of Israel and genocide against Jews. They celebrated 911 with parades in the streets. Whatever Israel does is too good for them as far as I am concerned.
WTF you are talking about? Their manifest is an obvious troll.
First, the *AA organizations aren't trying to protect themselves, they're protecting the people who decide whether or not to pay them membership dues. The CEOs at the *AA companies are shoveling the same crap upstairs to the CEOs at the multinationals that own them. The *AA company CEOs are expected to generate more revenue every year despite the shape the economy is in and the business problems you correctly cite. At the moment, they can blame PIRATES!!! for their problems. In short, no matter what people do, or do not, buy, the likes of the MPAA and the RIAA will merely blame-shift so they don't have to accept responsibility for their own [NAUGHTY]-ups.
If people buy enough new music from independent artists and *AA label content from used record stores, industry sales tracking will pick up on this, and industry and mainstream press will tell everybody what really happened to CD and DVD sales.
You want to ratfuck the *AA companies? Simply spend just as much as you usually do on entertainment, but spend it on independent musicians and new video artists who are selling direct-to-DVD and if you must buy *AA, buy it from used record stores which will not show up in *AA sales numbers.
If indie sales go up and *AA sales go into the toilet, it will be noticed. By both politicians and the *AA label/record company owners.
The result will be at minimum, new management and in most cases, new owners for content cartel companies who believe they know how to make money in a real non-monopoly world and know how to use the Net for marketing, not cringe in fear of it.
Tech Public Policy stuff
Israel has always been Israel. There is no Palestine! It never existed. Israel has historical proof that it's people have right to the land (including West Bank and Gaza).
Allowing women to vote is a given, I just dont agree with where it was placed..
If it was needed to be put into law, thats ok ( though it should have been transparent enough from day one to not even be an issue ), but as a constitutional amendment? Nah..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The people that wrote the amendment intended the bill of rights to be FOR people, and to RESTRICT government.
Thats why it was called the bill of rights. Not the bill of rules.. Its all about the rights of the people.
Anyone that disagrees with that, is wrong. Plain and simple, and should be totally disregarded.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Thats my solution, I'll never buy a new CD again, I'll only buy used CDs.
You can boycott and still get music from the idiots who refuse to boycott, this means less sales from the RIAA, so do it, the guys who resell their CDs already made a copy on CD-R and once you make your copy you can resell the CD too.
Lets treat CDs like we treat expensive books.
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This guy has got to figure out the difference between an "injunction", a "subpoena", and a "summons". A "subpoena" is a demand for information or records. A "summons" is a demand to appear. And an "injunction" is a court order not to do something.
He only talks about having received a "subpoena". But he seems to indicate that he's been required to appear in Federal court (about some unknown matter). And he also seems to think he's been forbidden to use the Internet (which seems highly unlikely; even the RIAA doesn't own enough courts to get an injunction against someone's use of the Internet, _ex parte_)
Hopefully we'll see more information on this. In any case, if this guy has received any of those things, he needs a lawyer.
Ok it's a very shallow story, but Jim Carrey in that role fit him perfect. I'm normally not a big fan of him, usually I go "oh come *on*" when he gets too wacky. But in this role he kept me laughing all through the movie. Sure, it wasn't the great Experience like LotR but it was an entertaining couple of hours.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
I feel morally obligated to use P2P instead of BUYING music. You see, when you buy music, the money goes to musicians. The musicians buy drugs with the money. That drug money goes to the drug cartels who fund terrorisim. I say FIGHT TERRORISM! Download music for free! http://www.cafeshops.com/fightterrorism
(continued from previous -- I'm long-winded today)
:)
The above burrito examples are, respectively, "nobody has guns", "some have guns, but they're concealed", "some have guns, and they're visible", and "everybody has guns, highly-motivated vs. opportunistic". Thanks for suggesting the burrito comparison; it was enjoyable to write.
The positions as the Shadows is still being fought over by both MPAA and RIAA. And who's taking the role as the mysterious Vorlons?
But, as long as you can gurantee me that they will both diappear beyond the rim in the end, I'm happy. (Btw, I hate using the word 'rim' in a reply to a post containing the word 'p0rn', I'm sure someone with a pervy mind would make something of it...)
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Jenin is a large town (50k or so); Gaza is a refugee camp that the middle ages would recognize.
Neither has anything more impressive than dial-up to the internet. Look for alternative motives, agendas, backers, and likely spyware.
Folks, you are being socially engineered.
There are a fuckload of honest to god Zionists who want to annex all the occupied territories, minus the palestinians (Jewish, and a load of bible thumping xian zionists too ... mostly in the states, premier home of bible thumping cooks).
These are the ones actually occupying the land, normal people dont move their homes to shacks in warzones to make a point.
Even after the division ... they fled in fear of the Jews, and no way can anyone reasonably expect them to be able to return to the lands they fled after all this shit went down. But they have claims to land, and that land will just have to be the occupied territories. From an outsiders point of view that is the only fair compromise, apart from the matter of the "right" of return ... but they should be able to buy that off with part of Jerusalem.
The fact that both find this unacceptable only shows it is a good compromise. The only alternative would be destroying Israel or a genocide of the palestinians.
Even after all the shit the Palestinians did fact remains that they were displaced from land they rightfully owned. Maybe they dont deserve it back, but they deserve something better than annihilation.
Hi guys,
How did he see the hook into his keyboard for keylogging? Should winblows stop that/inform you before it happens?
Thanks,
HH
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hey, there's no need to stop buying cds all together. there are legit artists out there, and there are labels out there that aren't part of the RIAA.
so here's a search engin that lets you check who's part of the RIAA or not.
http://www.magnetbox.com/riaa/search.asp
"Resistance is futile and we are now in control"
renting != buying
Maybe then they should start all their press releases with "Incoming message from The Big Giant Head!"
It really works especially if he's gonna keep saying cool stuff like "The next revolution in P2P file sharing is upon you. Resistance is futile and we are now in control".
Introducing the new Occam Fusion! Now with sqrt(-1) fewer blades!
KEYLOGGER - This allows us to transcribe everything you type on your keyboard. Any instant messages, emails, or search terms you type, we can see. This helps to make it easier to extort and blackmail you. If you install on a corporate machine even better, we can gain very valuable information.
"BONUS" DLLS - We install random dll's that run even when the software is not running. This does a variety of great things! Your computer can even turn into a mail server, without you even noticing!
UNINSTALL BLOCKER - Don't we all hate uninstallers than can REMOVE and DELETE any programs you want to remove. Our special software cannot be uninstalled! This protects you from the MPAA.
D.R.M. software - We don't even know what this does!
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When I clicked on ES5 and EarthStation 5, I was told that I could not connect because the servers do not exist.
What he said is validated by history. "Palestine" had always referred to Israel. Classic usage of the term "Palestinian" was synonomous with "Jew." Go read some old newspapers or books. At first, Arabs were extremely offended when called Palestinians, because that was a name for Jews.
What they're called is irrelevant. The fact remains that Isreal was created without any reguard for the people who were already living there, and a whole group of people were made second class citizens and forced into refugee camps. Now before you bring up the fact that other countries like Jordan were also carved from the Ottoman Empire, at least the people in Jordan have their own country.
This is what really, really burns me about this entire issue. Palestinians murder Jews. Jews murder Palestinians. Everybody calls the Palestinians murderers, which they are, but the very instant you look at the other side of the coin and say, hey, Jews are murderers too, Jews start running around with a club to beat you with--that club is the label "Anti-Semite." It is the universal "thou shalt not criticize Jews" card that they play the very instant anyone points out that maybe, just maybe, Palestinians have just as much right to life, liberty, and a country as the Jews do.
And what is the force behind this club? What makes it an effective discursive trump card? The holocaust. A massive crime and tragedy for us all. But Jews arrogate the entire significance of it to themselves. They, and they alone, have the universal and ultimate claim to victimhood, despite the fact that the class of people the Nazis were aiming to eradicate were the "untermenschen," a term which encompassed Gypsies, Slavs, Homosexuals, Communists, Evangelical Christians, Freemasons, the Handicapped, etc., etc., and millions of whom also perished in the Holocaust.
It was this very fact that Jews and Jewish groups initially used to advocate the formal establishment of Israel. There was a famous filmed speech of Jewish American actors arguing passionately that the world should care about what happened to the Jews in the Holocaust because it wasn't just the Jews who perished, but many others, and therefore was not just a Jewish tragedy but one for all mankind. That conclusion is, I think the correct one. But nowadays Jews conveniently forget to mention all the other groups targeted and claim that they were the sole victims and therefore are the sole group on the face of the earth above reproach. Seems to me therefore that the aggrandizing of the significance of the holocaust solely unto the Jews, so that they can abuse and persecute others, namely the Palestinians, with impugnity is morally repugnant, and I utterly reject it.
I also, in the strongest terms possible, reject your categorization of anyone who opposes Israel as someone who hates Jews. Does opposing the United States mean you hate Christians? Does opposing the Vatican mean you hate Catholics? Of course not. And while we're on the subject of Israel and its peoples, let's point out that you're conveniently omitting the fact that a great many Israelis are Christians, and increasingly, Muslims. It's a fact that pro-Israel supporters often like to trot out when they're trying to make a point about what an enlightened, liberal, and multi-cultural country Israel actually is. Yet here too, like with the subject of the Holocaust, Jews like to conveniently let that drop because they're in love with the idea that even merely criticizing Israel means you hate Jews. So I'm confused, if Israel is a multi-cultural society with Christian and Muslim as well as Jewish citizens, doesn't opposing Israel also not make a a person anti-Christian and anti-Muslim as well?
And while we're on the subject of hypocrisy, let's talk about Jews excoriating Yasser Arafat as a terrorist. Yes, he is a terrorist. But who did the holier-than-thou Jews elect to be their Prime Minister? Arial "The Butcher of Kibya" Sharon. He was a member of the Hagannah, the Jewish PLO, back when Palestine was a British protectorate. They slaughtered British soldiers and Palestinians in what any reasonable person would call terrorist attacks. Later, when the state of Israel had been established, Sharon was in charge of an operation to find PLO terrorists who had reportedly taken refuge in the village of Kibya. Sharon ordered the summary execution of 1500 of the men, women, and children of the village. But yes, I forgot, Hagannah was comprised of Jews, and Sharon is a Jew, so there's no way we can call them murderers for those killings.
In short, I think a people that has been kicked around by history, that has been a victim of abuse and atrocities, is now the abuser and the com
first off, i do not like being referred to in the same paragraph as a "holy war" p2p group which i know nothing about. it totally gets off topic of the current issue, namely civil liberties that no longer exist in the United States (no one has replied to any of my urgings in this page, for instance!)
secondly, i had plenty of contact info and should have been contacted before this was published.
thirdly, as very much stated by teh page the author of this story published, xmule.org was at 90% bandwidth consumption BEFORE Being slashdotted!!! NOW MY SITE IS DEAD! Apparently the glorious admins panicked and rm -r'd the thing. it is gone.
fourthly, because of the slashdotting, i overexceeded the monthly bandwidth allotment by 5 GB (in 12 hours!), which costs me money personally. Thirdly i have very few options left in hosting xmule, thanks to some asshole who linked me w/ a terrorist organization and slashdotted my site while the link that he posted said i was at 90% bandwidth consumption already.
Thanks guys. Very little civil liberty discussion has come off this (nothing constructive save my 0-replies posts!!) you just add to my financial burdens, remove the right to access from our userbase, etc.
Haven't you guys ever heard of editors aka guys who verify stories are fit print?! With my phone number plastered over the page you linked to directly, do you not think it is wise to call first and ask for permission??
You did more harm to xmule than the gov'ment!
Un-Thesis
Promote freedom; fight fascism.
And they get away with it! But let Kobe Bryant charge one girl too much for a CD just once and it's a big deal.
That depends on the content of the MP3s, not the MP3s themselves. The MP3 format is not illegal, nor is spreading copyrighted music. Only if the copyright owner, who is not necessarily the creator, of that particular work prohibits the dissemination, is it a problem. Even then, it's a behavioral problem.
Just sour grapes from MPAA/RIAA for realizing that not only did they miss the boat, but that they've outlived their both their profitability and usefulness.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
The subject line says "I'm a big fat TROLL!" and you still bite? Amazing! It's people like you who make trolling Slashdot worthwhile!
The offices of the developers of Earthstation 5 were destroyed today by the Israeli army. Ariel Sharon, PM of Israel applauded the destruction saying they were harbouring terrorists. The intellegence was provided by Hilary Rosen an analyst in the US government.
-- Karma Karma Karma Karma, Karma Chameleon - Boy George
More people are killed via rocks and sticks each year then guns held by private citizens in the US. ( or car accidents, or drowning in public pools, or MANY MANY other causes.). gun violence initiated by legally licensed citizens is not even on the map...
You also don't account for the crime PREVENTED by that same group of people. Of course in doing that you would just have made your viewpoint totally meaningless.
Germany, ya right, that's a REAL good example of what happens when you have a restrictive government. The people cant defend themselves and you get Hitler..
Please.. give me a f-ing break.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Private gun ownership was part of how this country was able to fend off the British oppressors.. It was how we fed oursleves and protected our land and family...
Its been part of my country since day one. It was a common right mandated to be protected in our constitution since the day we officially were independent..
Unless you mean the rest of the world, where they cant protect themselves and keep asking us for help...
Perhaps in that context its strange, but not here. where we have something called freedom..
And come around my neck of the woods sometime, its not strange here, its rather common. Its just a part of life: Americans exercising their rights and freedoms. ( and fighting to protect them when needed ) Nothing strange about that.
Gun ownership is just one of many rights we exersize here that are under attack. Please dont think im only defending ONE part of our way of life.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The other thing to realize is that this guy is based out of Palestine - as such, his rhetoric is probably a LOT more reserved than the stuff he is hearing from Hammas and other militant groups on a daily basis. It is also probably reasonable to assume that the anti-Israel propaganda that he hears and reads constantly influenced his writing style. He was probably also going for maximum PR exposure (it seems to have worked) - I just think that he has bitten off more than he can chew.
Ever hear of Saddam? Don't give me the excuse that it cant happen today. It can happen to any populace that cant defend itself, or is not diligent.
As far as 'only for killing people': Ever hear of hunting animals? *Everything* has dual uses. Its HOW you use them that is the issue, not the object. A gun is no more harmful then a Lexus, in the hands of a responsible person.
If you speak of defense, i agree the goal IS to kill, nothing less.. And there is nothing wrong with that, either legally or morally.
This is also true for speech, which in my country we consider it a right to have. It can be used for good or bad. That des not mean it should be banned because it COULD be used improperly.. However, that very thing is occurring today, and I'm one of those who are standing up and fighting against it.
I cant help it that you are a member of the sheep, and want their government to take care o them, that is your choice. However in MY country, we have chosen to exercise the *right* of being independent, which includes the right of being able to protect oneself.
I never said you had to own a gun, only tat you have ZERO right to tell me I cant have mine.
As far as relating Bush to this discussion, lets not go there as it would be fruitless an did believe was only to incite an argument.. While I don't agree with all his polices, I do agree with his actions in general... so your statement wont et much traction with me.
( and we are WAY OT here.. no one is listening but us at this point.. )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
now how many times did you go to see harry met sally? right. now do you get it? previews are what you get, you're not gonna get a free-bie viewing or even a reduced quality version for free.
indeed one of the reasons hollywood is producing more action flicks is because it actually stimulates DVD sales. those are the flicks people will pay a limited amount to see more than once.
America has never been America, either. And England was never english - it's celtic.
Quit using ancient history to try to justify current actions. It's really pathetic.
Have we all forgotten when the record companies lowered the price of CDs to $10,
and then raised them back to $15?
CD's now cost about 1/10th as much to press as records cost at their cheapest
Cost "to press" refers only to replication. Have the costs of writing the songs, recording the songs, distributing the records to major chain stores, oromotion on MTV including production of music videos, and so-called "independent" promotion on Clear Channel radio declined in parallel?
CD's STILL cost almost 20 bucks apiece.
1. Most of the price of the CD doesn't lie in replication. 2. Many CD albums are much longer than vinyl albums were. 3. The general cost of labor has increased.
After inflation, CDs are actually just as cheap as vinyl ever was.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Most of the first-generation RAF-terrorist hid in the former German Democratic Republic ("DDR").
If the terrorists are hiding next to DDR machines, I guess I better stay out of the arcade.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Tough luck. Dump the cable and get a DSL line instead.
Most people can't afford DSL's $200,000 installation fee, which includes the cost of moving the family to an area within 3.5km of the telco's switch.
Will I retire or break 10K?
"I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces
I eat no breath-mints 'cause their from de-hoofed horses
Now I can't believe; what an absolute failure
The president's laughing 'cause we voted for Nader"
-NOFX, "Franco Un-American"
Zoot!
This comment is really amazing. By that theory, the USA better pack it in. After all, this land was claimed by the various native tribes long before some english settlers landed here. The Jewish tribes took Israel from the previous owners. Where again is the historical proof of right to the land?
I never said this. I merely said that my money is going towards alternative purchases which simply will not benefit either of the **AA orgs.
This was addressed to the part of the slashdot community that does want to ratfuck the *AA member organizations.
I'm one of those people. I regard the *AA member organizations as a bunch of parasitic "rent-seekers", I think that they are bad for the music community and high-tech industry and users, and they are going to become bad for independent film makers. I also believe that they are bad for the consumer, and that the drop off in sales is largely due to the consumer population realizing this, even if not at a conscious level.
I think the world as a whole will be better off for their self-destruction, and that our civic duty is to give them a push towards the cliff whenever possible.
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And remember, folks, we call them Freedom Fries instead of French Fries, because "French" is synonymous with "Freedom."
You want to know why the US supports Israel?
They won the 6 day war. A war they should have lost. (Although Sun Tzu would disagree with that assesment, I think you could certainly classify that battlefield as "deadly ground")
When the iraelis kill innocent civilians, it's because the terrorist hide among them, sometimes with the people's blessing. When the palestinians kill civilians, it's because that's who they were aiming for. This deeply offends american sensibilities. To the point that spiritual atheists/intellectual agnostics with a nationalistic bent, libertarian ideals, who consider movie theaters to be their holy places like myself side with people who lay claim to place on religious grounds. Israelies kill children on accident, palestinians kill them on purpose. It's pretty clear where the lesser of two evils is.
But more evil than the palestinians are the arabs. They want the palestinians to fight the israelies, because they got their asses killed in the six day war. The land that they believe is theirs by divine edict, they got their asses kicked all up and down it. Brutally. By a foe they greatly out numbered. (Either Allah isn't an interventionist type of God, it ain't their land, or I'm right.) So being the unappologetic cowards they are, the arabs are content to pay the palestinians to hoplessly throw themselves to the lions teeth. Which is fine with the arabs, they don't like the palestinians anymore than the radical jewish settlers do.
Then the palestinians and their "right of return" they didn't sell manhatten for a song, or beads, they got cash. Next time, if you think you might want it later, don't sell it.
If the palestinians or even the arabs want to take Israel's political power away, here's what they should do.
All the camel raping child molesting Hamas bitches, get uniforms, and have to wear them.
They don't flee into civilians areas.
They only attack military targets.
No more buses, no more pizza parlors, or dance clubs.
They can keep doing so serrupticiously, but they've got to wear the uniforms at all times.
Oh and when a kid dies, don't kick'em street like a soccer ball.
The dead deserve a little dignity you savage fucks.
Is it possible to buy a "I HATE RIAA/MPAA" T-shirt somewhere?
Guys,
Boycotting the record industry imho is a good thing, but it will only work if you give musicians a chance to adopt new business models by digging out the money to see their live performances. They may in time put their music on the web for free to promote their concerts - wouldn't that be nice?
Greets,
Samsara
Now imagine that there are 60,000 people doing the exact same thing that you are. The situation changes slightly.
True enough, but 60,000 folks small arms are still not enough to beat the US armed forces (see: Iraq). For such a revolt to be successful it would need huge popular support, millions of people rather than thousands. And at that point probably you'd have portions of the army going over to your side etc.
Further to that, if your popular support doesn't extend to a majority of citizens, then there's a strong case that your revolt lacks a popular mandate. Overthrowing the government with majority support is liberation, doing so without is little more than a coup.
Unless you have majority support, I can't see a situation in which the public having small arms promotes freedom. And if you do have true majority support, you probably won't need the small arms as you'll have regular forces.
I think the right to bear arms is well-intentioned, but just hasn't scaled properly to the present day, and is doing more harm than good at the moment.
Vino, gyno, and techno -Bruce Sterling
And why do all of their IP's traceroute to Holland?
Just another hoax that was spread 5 months ago during the same time esv started.
You say "enemy" the problem lies in the fact that your clerics and your hordes of cultists define anyone who isnt goosestepping with them an enemy. You whitewash the filthiest thing on earth, Islam. You are part of a satanic brainwashing collective, and if we dont stop you, you will kill us all!