Have you ever considered that bright flashy advertisements catch eyes better than black and white advertisements? If a church is going to put up an advertisement for a church garage sale at the local grocery market, a color add is more eye catching than a black and white one.
Your basic assumption that a church should survive on bread and water alone is quite foolish. I suppose that you would also say that a church softball league is just a silly expenditure not helping the poor or needy. However, it also serves as an excellent out-reach into the community and it brings brothers and sisters together working in unity.
So, while a color laser printer may not have direct use to the poor, it does serve a purpose. To immediately write off any bit of expenditure that does not help the poor as wasted is quite foolish.
An example from the Bible is in Mark 14:3-9. Here a woman annoints Christ with an expensive oil and when some were upset that the oil was used on Christ instead of sold for money to pay the poor. Christ rebukes them and says that she has done a good work and that it shall be accounted to her.
Why?
Well, if you read the passage you see that Christ tells the people that he is with them a short time, yet the poor will always be with us. But, that also whenever the gospel is preached from then on that this woman will be remembered for her good works.
Basically, what is being said is that though money is used for one purpose now, in the future it will bring benefit. While sometimes money is wasted by churches, sometimes it is an investment into the future.
"Let us condemn to hellfire all those who disagree with us." -- militant religionists everywhere
s/religionists/slashbots/
Sometimes black and white works. Such as my church is fairly small. Infact, my wife and I are the ones who donated the printer to our church. My wife does the bulletins and I do the audio recording for our church.
Now, perhaps if we wanted we could have decided what we wanted to donate. We did look into some color lasers before, and our research took us to xerox's site (mainly we were looking at the Phaser 6200). I didn't see in the documentation this time, but I thought that it did double sided. It might have been a slightly different model. As far as how it holds up, I don't have any information on though. Toner didn't seem too outrageous, but it is on the higher end of the price range I think.
Explaining a buffer overflow and actaully programming one are two different things. And programming an expliot for one drives the idea home even better.
I'm not saying that they should be trying to hack nsa.gov or something. However, when you actaully have a chance to play with a virus or recent exploit in a controlled environment you will get a better understanding.
That is why folks honeypot and such. They can actually figure out what are the techniques used in the wild and how to defeat those techniques.
Seems like most of the comments here are pretty derogatory.
I think this sounds pretty cool. I checked out the site that was linked and thought it was pretty cool. Sure, its not Buffy or whatever crap people watch on TV all the time, but its a pretty cool hack.
I personally think its neat to be able to look up stats like that.
Another fun stat to look at is on gentoo.org. You can see some of their bugzilla stats, like how many bugs and of what type.
Stop paying! Seriously. They only have your money since you give it to them.
At work, sure, use what the company gives you. At home, don't use it.
OpenOffice.org can read word documents to a fair degree. Sure, you'll find feature X that doesn't work, you will be able to extract your data from the document though.
You want to argue monopoly? Well, by pirating the software you encourage their monopoly. By using another product your erode their monopoly.
If a company wants to charge $BIG_NUM dollars for their product and another charges $MODERATE_NUM dollars for their product, use the second company's product if you need it. Don't pirate the first company's product because you can, that is wrong.
Yeah, I went all the way through college not paying a red cent. When ever they came to my door demanding money, I told them I am not making money off taking classes so I shouldn't pay for them and when I am graduated and making money off the classes I took I'd pay them for classes then. They'd nod and say, yeah, you're right and leave me alone. Gosh now, when ever I take a college class now that I am working I'll pay, but certainly not when I was just learning for fun.
I agree demo software is nice to use before I purchase a product, but its the companies perrogative. If they don't offer a demo its less likely I'll buy their product since I cannot get a feel for it. And usually there are other products that offer a demo so I can.
In no way does it make me pirating software right.
We can assume by this that the BSA will be disolved in 39 years. Its really not a bad business plan for the lawyers, in 39 years most will be retired by then with nice hefty stacks of cash. They just have to say each year that they are being successful by 1% and that way the group corporations will keep paying them. When they finally get 39 years from now they'll be rich and really haven't done anything.
Or put another way in more slashdot terms:
1. Get corporations to pay lawyers to do stuff. 2. Lawyers harass legitimate purchasers of software. 3. Lawyers claim 1% success a year. 4. ??? (loop back to #2) 5. Profit! (and retire when no more %'s to go)
Now isn't that cynical.
In reality I'd say software piracy is a problem. I don't know how many times here I've seen folks claim that they pirate software because its so darn expensive. Well, sometimes there is a reason that software is expensive, it takes time and money to do right. Then folks will say that software is buggy and not done right so they shouldn't have to pay for it. Well, don't use it! Novel idea huh? It sickens me how often folks think that deserve stuff without paying for it.
Its really a simple idea folks. If you are unwilling to pay the price for something, you don't get to have it. It doesn't matter if you don't like the rules, they are the rules.
Which brings me to another point. OSS or free software. Use it if you don't want to pay for commercial software. No one is forcing you to use commercial software. Simpley owning a computer does not give you the right to use commercial software without paying for it. However, there are a lot of folks out there that write software that you can use for free. Use that.
Whining that your favorite game only runs on a certain platform isn't an excuse to pirate the software. There are many emulators, use those if you absolutely need to run the software. Otherwise tell the company that you want a version that runs on your platform.
Quit whining that life gets hard when you have to use OpenOffice.org to read word files and it isn't perfect. You look like a fool when you whine that something isn't up to your standards because its buggy so you won't pay for it then use it anyways.
Check out ogle here for DVD software in linux. Its not 1.0 yet, but still a pretty useable peice of software. The menu is still missing many features, but it plays DVDs fine and has a full screen mode.
Why do you feel you should be allowed to have software that you have not met the requirements for using? You have not purchased a license to use it, so why do you run it?
I'd really like to see an arguement that makes be believe that you are a decent person instead of a petty bottem feeder.
Oh, so much better than a 20d6 fireball though.:-)
I wasn't saying that the drives were inherently bad. Just my experience with the company was bad. Granted the two drives I've had of theirs didn't exactly make me want more.
Except, ideas are non tangible. They have zero resource expenditure.
The only way to design/create something than cannot be copied is to never show anyone. However, once you have released your idea into the open there is nothing preventing anyone who has seen your physical implementation.
So, actually, copyright and patent is an artificial restriction granted by the government to designer/creators. Now, because the government sees fit to control this area, doing this so that creators may have a temporary monopoly on their creations.
The point being, an idea is different from a physical material item.
Except, it really isn't too difficult for Disney or any other company to handle this process fairly automatically.
Maybe a last sale date would be a better method. For instance, if a book is not released within the last 5 years, it enters a public domain license. Or similar with a movie or software.
Basically its the same idea. If something copyrighted is not worth making money with, it enters public domain. Ofcourse then Disney would then be able to release Mickey Mouse every five years to not lose copyright, but then the public has access to that.
I know there are a number of CDs that I simpley don't have access to since they are out of print. This would allow me to have access to 80's hair bands that no longer get any money from their product.
Oh man, bad luck with the maxtors. I've only had two of maybe 20 maxtor drives go bad on me before they entered the hallowed halls of "antiques" (a cardboard box in the closet). One was a drive I had given to me from a friend who had upgraded his drive. About a year later it died. I called up maxtor and they replaced it with a new drive which was +2GB over the original. The second was a 2GB drive which was the OS drive in a fileserver in college.
My most recent drive I picked up is a maxtor 7200 rpm 80GB drive with an 8mb cache on it. What an excellent drive. Very quiet. I was amazed which how quiet it was as many other 7200 rpm drives are very loud.
Now I find WD drives to be very loud. I can pretty much tell a WD drive when I walk into a room and someone is doing a disk read. I find that very annoying. Its not that it has to be silent, but its a nice feature.
I've had a couple seagate drives. One 200mb drive from my 486 many moons ago that survived all the way until 1999. That was a beast. As loud as a WD, but it was rock solid for almost 8 years. I used it as a "portable" disk for a while since its usefulness as a hd ended after a while.
I also had a stack of seagate 1gb scsi drives I setup as a raid a couple years ago. I cut apart a case so I could put in a second powersupply for those alone. But it was amusing when I turned the machine on that it sounded like a jet taking off.
Quantum. Yeck! What an awful drive/company. I bought one quantum drive and had it go bad within a year. I had them replace it and then sent me a rebuilt drive. Well, that rebuilt drive sucked right off the bat, it wouldn't spin up all the time and clicked awfully sometimes. Well, that one gave up the ghost and when I tried to return it they said since the original drive was out of warrenty they wouldn't replace the drive. That sucked.
Bah, sendmail isn't so hard. Once you have a basic set of address rewriting rules you can do some pretty powerful stuff. And if you are sticking with a simple configuration using m4, its even pretty easy.
Otherwise maybe its my choice of printers that made printing so unbearable.
Either way, it take me about 20 minutes or so to get sendmail setup on a new box versus hours and hours for printing.
I used to use apsfilter w/ lpd for all my printing needs. Which worked, once it was setup. Though I never did get samba printing exactly correct. It was a bear. It was eaiser to setup sendmail than getting printing working in linux.
Well, a short while ago we picked up a new printer. I was dreading going into apsfilter setup again and wrestling with lpd and all that. I looked around cups' site looking for a decent howto. Nothing for a simple "just do it" documentation. I decided to try out gentoo's site for documentation, which is awsome. Here is an awesome howto for getting cups setup in gentoo. You could probably glean the information for doing it in other distributions also from this howto.
I know a lot of folks get sick of gentoo folks pushing it all the time. But documentation and howto's are one of gentoo's biggest strengths. I really reccomend folks look at the gentoo docs when they are trying to figure something out.
Nope, I don't have any affiliation with gentoo other than a user and the occasional bug reporter.
Slashdot Mirror
Have you ever considered that bright flashy advertisements catch eyes better than black and white advertisements? If a church is going to put up an advertisement for a church garage sale at the local grocery market, a color add is more eye catching than a black and white one.
Your basic assumption that a church should survive on bread and water alone is quite foolish. I suppose that you would also say that a church softball league is just a silly expenditure not helping the poor or needy. However, it also serves as an excellent out-reach into the community and it brings brothers and sisters together working in unity.
So, while a color laser printer may not have direct use to the poor, it does serve a purpose. To immediately write off any bit of expenditure that does not help the poor as wasted is quite foolish.
An example from the Bible is in Mark 14:3-9. Here a woman annoints Christ with an expensive oil and when some were upset that the oil was used on Christ instead of sold for money to pay the poor. Christ rebukes them and says that she has done a good work and that it shall be accounted to her.
Why?
Well, if you read the passage you see that Christ tells the people that he is with them a short time, yet the poor will always be with us. But, that also whenever the gospel is preached from then on that this woman will be remembered for her good works.
Basically, what is being said is that though money is used for one purpose now, in the future it will bring benefit. While sometimes money is wasted by churches, sometimes it is an investment into the future.
Hey, come on. This isn't a troll. Its a Janis Joplin song!
e de sbenz.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/janisjoplin/merc
Geesh, even the guy who I replied to was more of a troll than this. Oh-well. All you Non-Janis lovin' folks. Go learn ya some real music.
"Let us condemn to hellfire all those who disagree with us." -- militant religionists everywhere
s/religionists/slashbots/
Sometimes black and white works. Such as my church is fairly small. Infact, my wife and I are the ones who donated the printer to our church. My wife does the bulletins and I do the audio recording for our church.
Now, perhaps if we wanted we could have decided what we wanted to donate. We did look into some color lasers before, and our research took us to xerox's site (mainly we were looking at the Phaser 6200). I didn't see in the documentation this time, but I thought that it did double sided. It might have been a slightly different model. As far as how it holds up, I don't have any information on though. Toner didn't seem too outrageous, but it is on the higher end of the price range I think.
Ack, ink jets and high volume do not mix.
Unless ofcourse you don't mind paying through the nose for ink.
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV.
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a color laser printer.
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a mercedes benz.
unknown host www.whiteshouse.gov
In a really simple contrived world maybe.
Explaining a buffer overflow and actaully programming one are two different things. And programming an expliot for one drives the idea home even better.
I'm not saying that they should be trying to hack nsa.gov or something. However, when you actaully have a chance to play with a virus or recent exploit in a controlled environment you will get a better understanding.
That is why folks honeypot and such. They can actually figure out what are the techniques used in the wild and how to defeat those techniques.
Seems like most of the comments here are pretty derogatory.
I think this sounds pretty cool. I checked out the site that was linked and thought it was pretty cool. Sure, its not Buffy or whatever crap people watch on TV all the time, but its a pretty cool hack.
I personally think its neat to be able to look up stats like that.
Another fun stat to look at is on gentoo.org. You can see some of their bugzilla stats, like how many bugs and of what type.
The best part is that you get to play these guys. The objective is to get into the concert after you do some bar hopping.
Nothing like suppressing ideas you don't agree with huh?
Hmmm, here's an option for you.
Stop paying! Seriously. They only have your money since you give it to them.
At work, sure, use what the company gives you. At home, don't use it.
OpenOffice.org can read word documents to a fair degree. Sure, you'll find feature X that doesn't work, you will be able to extract your data from the document though.
You want to argue monopoly? Well, by pirating the software you encourage their monopoly. By using another product your erode their monopoly.
If a company wants to charge $BIG_NUM dollars for their product and another charges $MODERATE_NUM dollars for their product, use the second company's product if you need it. Don't pirate the first company's product because you can, that is wrong.
Yeah, I went all the way through college not paying a red cent. When ever they came to my door demanding money, I told them I am not making money off taking classes so I shouldn't pay for them and when I am graduated and making money off the classes I took I'd pay them for classes then. They'd nod and say, yeah, you're right and leave me alone. Gosh now, when ever I take a college class now that I am working I'll pay, but certainly not when I was just learning for fun.
I agree demo software is nice to use before I purchase a product, but its the companies perrogative. If they don't offer a demo its less likely I'll buy their product since I cannot get a feel for it. And usually there are other products that offer a demo so I can.
In no way does it make me pirating software right.
We can assume by this that the BSA will be disolved in 39 years. Its really not a bad business plan for the lawyers, in 39 years most will be retired by then with nice hefty stacks of cash. They just have to say each year that they are being successful by 1% and that way the group corporations will keep paying them. When they finally get 39 years from now they'll be rich and really haven't done anything.
Or put another way in more slashdot terms:
1. Get corporations to pay lawyers to do stuff.
2. Lawyers harass legitimate purchasers of software.
3. Lawyers claim 1% success a year.
4. ??? (loop back to #2)
5. Profit! (and retire when no more %'s to go)
Now isn't that cynical.
In reality I'd say software piracy is a problem. I don't know how many times here I've seen folks claim that they pirate software because its so darn expensive. Well, sometimes there is a reason that software is expensive, it takes time and money to do right. Then folks will say that software is buggy and not done right so they shouldn't have to pay for it. Well, don't use it! Novel idea huh? It sickens me how often folks think that deserve stuff without paying for it.
Its really a simple idea folks. If you are unwilling to pay the price for something, you don't get to have it. It doesn't matter if you don't like the rules, they are the rules.
Which brings me to another point. OSS or free software. Use it if you don't want to pay for commercial software. No one is forcing you to use commercial software. Simpley owning a computer does not give you the right to use commercial software without paying for it. However, there are a lot of folks out there that write software that you can use for free. Use that.
Whining that your favorite game only runs on a certain platform isn't an excuse to pirate the software. There are many emulators, use those if you absolutely need to run the software. Otherwise tell the company that you want a version that runs on your platform.
Quit whining that life gets hard when you have to use OpenOffice.org to read word files and it isn't perfect. You look like a fool when you whine that something isn't up to your standards because its buggy so you won't pay for it then use it anyways.
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/
Check out ogle here for DVD software in linux. Its not 1.0 yet, but still a pretty useable peice of software. The menu is still missing many features, but it plays DVDs fine and has a full screen mode.
since I have a pirated copy of XP
Why?
Why do you feel you should be allowed to have software that you have not met the requirements for using? You have not purchased a license to use it, so why do you run it?
I'd really like to see an arguement that makes be believe that you are a decent person instead of a petty bottem feeder.
Why don't you use linux or some other free OS?
Oh, so much better than a 20d6 fireball though. :-)
I wasn't saying that the drives were inherently bad. Just my experience with the company was bad. Granted the two drives I've had of theirs didn't exactly make me want more.
Yes, that is the reason that why the temporary monopoly is protected by the gonvernment.
However, lets go back in time: Some guy invents the club. Another guy sees first guy with a club. Second guy goes out and copies the idea of the club.
See, the idea is transferable. The physical club is not.
This is over simplified, but the point is made.
Ah, but you see if there is one copy of the CD out there I would be able to get a copy of that in some fashion.
Otherwise you could require for something to have an enduring copyright it must be provided to the library of congress a copy.
Ah, yes.
Except, ideas are non tangible. They have zero resource expenditure.
The only way to design/create something than cannot be copied is to never show anyone. However, once you have released your idea into the open there is nothing preventing anyone who has seen your physical implementation.
So, actually, copyright and patent is an artificial restriction granted by the government to designer/creators. Now, because the government sees fit to control this area, doing this so that creators may have a temporary monopoly on their creations.
The point being, an idea is different from a physical material item.
Except, it really isn't too difficult for Disney or any other company to handle this process fairly automatically.
Maybe a last sale date would be a better method. For instance, if a book is not released within the last 5 years, it enters a public domain license. Or similar with a movie or software.
Basically its the same idea. If something copyrighted is not worth making money with, it enters public domain. Ofcourse then Disney would then be able to release Mickey Mouse every five years to not lose copyright, but then the public has access to that.
I know there are a number of CDs that I simpley don't have access to since they are out of print. This would allow me to have access to 80's hair bands that no longer get any money from their product.
Oh man, bad luck with the maxtors. I've only had two of maybe 20 maxtor drives go bad on me before they entered the hallowed halls of "antiques" (a cardboard box in the closet). One was a drive I had given to me from a friend who had upgraded his drive. About a year later it died. I called up maxtor and they replaced it with a new drive which was +2GB over the original. The second was a 2GB drive which was the OS drive in a fileserver in college.
My most recent drive I picked up is a maxtor 7200 rpm 80GB drive with an 8mb cache on it. What an excellent drive. Very quiet. I was amazed which how quiet it was as many other 7200 rpm drives are very loud.
Now I find WD drives to be very loud. I can pretty much tell a WD drive when I walk into a room and someone is doing a disk read. I find that very annoying. Its not that it has to be silent, but its a nice feature.
I've had a couple seagate drives. One 200mb drive from my 486 many moons ago that survived all the way until 1999. That was a beast. As loud as a WD, but it was rock solid for almost 8 years. I used it as a "portable" disk for a while since its usefulness as a hd ended after a while.
I also had a stack of seagate 1gb scsi drives I setup as a raid a couple years ago. I cut apart a case so I could put in a second powersupply for those alone. But it was amusing when I turned the machine on that it sounded like a jet taking off.
Quantum. Yeck! What an awful drive/company. I bought one quantum drive and had it go bad within a year. I had them replace it and then sent me a rebuilt drive. Well, that rebuilt drive sucked right off the bat, it wouldn't spin up all the time and clicked awfully sometimes. Well, that one gave up the ghost and when I tried to return it they said since the original drive was out of warrenty they wouldn't replace the drive. That sucked.
Bah, sendmail isn't so hard. Once you have a basic set of address rewriting rules you can do some pretty powerful stuff. And if you are sticking with a simple configuration using m4, its even pretty easy.
Otherwise maybe its my choice of printers that made printing so unbearable.
Either way, it take me about 20 minutes or so to get sendmail setup on a new box versus hours and hours for printing.
I used to use apsfilter w/ lpd for all my printing needs. Which worked, once it was setup. Though I never did get samba printing exactly correct. It was a bear. It was eaiser to setup sendmail than getting printing working in linux.
Well, a short while ago we picked up a new printer. I was dreading going into apsfilter setup again and wrestling with lpd and all that. I looked around cups' site looking for a decent howto. Nothing for a simple "just do it" documentation. I decided to try out gentoo's site for documentation, which is awsome. Here is an awesome howto for getting cups setup in gentoo. You could probably glean the information for doing it in other distributions also from this howto.
I know a lot of folks get sick of gentoo folks pushing it all the time. But documentation and howto's are one of gentoo's biggest strengths. I really reccomend folks look at the gentoo docs when they are trying to figure something out.
Nope, I don't have any affiliation with gentoo other than a user and the occasional bug reporter.
Almost right.
p irated()
__riaa_checked_invalid_song()
__mpaa_movie_is_
Though they seem a very similar, their purpose is quite different.
Mr. Hanes?