Perhaps MS realizes this and figures they've got a good 9 more years to experiment before they need to make a solid desktop OS that'll be adopted by their enterprise customers?
Never thought of that but I wouldn't put it past them to treat us home users are damn guinea pigs once again. Only this time they've got a decade to get things right. Yes I did say decade as in 10 years because there is nothing that says MS couldn't extend support for Win7 a few months if needed.
I'm happy with an old system that still runs Me - preloaded and very little extra crap installed so it works fine. I even didn't have much of a problem with Vista though like many I complained about some idiotic things like very slow file copies/moves and a too aggressive UAC but once system was setup right, I had very few issues with it.
That's just like many scream about the Ribbon interface and I agree, it's a PITA because things that I'm used to finding in menus that I now have to learn where they're at.
What they should have called it was Windows 8 Beta, becuase that's exactly what it is - A damn Beta. Buggy as hell in some spots but like the Win7 Beta, it gives us an oppurtunity to see what's coming and figure out how to support the damn thing.
This is why I tend to stick with AMD over Intel. I can replace a board 5 years later with the same socket and my current CPU investment should simply drop right in and work while giving me access to newer features such as USB 2 and PCIe. Intel though wants you to buy a new motherboard and CPU every couple of years, which is why they change socket design. It also allows them to force segregate the market. A prime example is ECC memory support. The damn memory controller is now built into each and every damn Pentium/Xeon chip yet they don't support ECC on anything except the Server class Xeons. Why? Because it allows them to force you to buy the more expensive chip if you need ECC support unlike AMD who includes ECC support in damn near all of their desktop CPU's. The issue is the motherboard needs the extra traces to properly support ECC, which is the expensive part unlike including the support on the Die as AMD does.
The main problem that AMD has with both the Brazzos and Llano designs is production. Simply put, demand is so high that they were unable to meet the demand for all of their chips. Because of this and yeild issues with Global Foundaries, they jetisoned GF and worked with TSMC to get it out. From what the 3 prior posts (great explanations and why I still read/.) said, My take is that AMD now has a method of cutting the power consumption of chips like the A350 from 12 watts to 1/3 - 1/2 (4 - 6 watts) while staying on the same process size. This opens the production floodgates across the board because there are plenty of 45nm foundaries with available capacity.
Remember that one of the problems they had with Bulldozer was getting the yeilds up and this may be a solution to some of that problem. Another issue that comes to mind is that Global Foundaries simply didn't have enough capacity available, so AMD was going to have to farm some of their chip production out. So what chips make sense? Those still using the 45nm process and if this offers anything near what I see in power reduction, then they would finally be able to meet Intel's Performance per Watt and start regaining market share.
(in case you haven't heard in a serious "WTF are they thinking?" move AMD has killed AM3 for two sockets that have less than a year of life in them, FM1 and AM3+)
Please turn in your geek card and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. You forgot that when AMD changes a socket from the AM# to AM#+ that the new socket supports the AM# chips fully. They're adding new features to the socket but that's the advantage. All of those AM3 CPU's will work in the new AM3+ socket without issue, unless the OEM/Bios maker screws something up.
I will agree it's a WTF is Tiger thinking selling off their stock of 95watt Thubans as they'll work just fine in the new socket. The only reason I can see them making this decision is that the AM3+ Thubans are a better deal and they want to make the most of the stock they've already have before the new ones hit the market at a cheaper price.
The problem is, the Tegra does not have an LTE radio/modem on the SoC. This means it's a seperate chip and the current chips do not pla nicely with the Tegra. Qualcomn has pulled a major upset with their new design as the SnapDragon is faster, uses less power and includes the needed LTE radio on the die. The only area where the Qualcomn offering sucks tits on a worm is graphics as the Tegra beats the hell out of it like a red headed step-child but that's the only thing it wins.
and now, he's on the No Fly List and DHS Watch lists as a Potential Terrorist. Maybe the gubbermint will pick him up and send him to g'tmo for some reeducation.
Hate Crime Laws are the new Political Correctness and that's absolutely abhorent under the Constituitional Guaranty of Equal Protection under the Law. The entire purpose of Political Correctness Laws such as these are to destroy the Constitution
I'd say a 16GB flash drive is large enough to not only boot but run Ubunta. Simply build a custom installation and install it to the flash drives. Pull the drives from the laptops though you need to record what machine they came from for reinstall and configure them to boot from usb. Problem solved and if someone borks the system, simply swap a good stick and reimage. Keep in mind that you can probably get 50+ 16GB flash drives for pretty cheap. This gives you several spares for those who decide to take it home. Heck if you're charging for this, add the cost of the flash drives into the price and cut the worry about the things. Cheap Value Added that may give you the option of doing it again.
Unlike Linux, BSD has plenty of commercial apps available - no arguments about tainting the kernel as the BSD license allows for that, so support is available for that app. BSD Tends to be very stable between releases with a longer release cycle. This helps commercial software apps as they can target a specific version and Know it will work unlike linux where you have so many different versions of the LFSHS or even what's supposed to be installed by default. BSD is the Unix Standard - means that if you write to that standard, it will work. That's why Apple chose BSD as the base of OS X.
People tend to complain that BSD doesn't work well on a desktop and that's true because BSD is designed/optimized for Servers. PC-BSD is the desktop version. OpenBSD is geared towards security from the beginning and most of what they do (code audits and such) tend to find their way back into the regular BSD branches.
The only thing is, as a Sprint Customer, I can say these changes they've made do not apply in California as California has already ruled on the state level that an ETF is ilegal and tantamount to "Adhesion". As to class action status and the requirement to go to arbitration, that also is not legal in California as you can never give up your right to pursue legal remedies. That aribtration clause has been thrown out of our contracts as a requirement though they can insist on it as it reduces the case load upon our court system.
sorry but you don't have to pay 200-500 for a full copy of windows to do that. All you need is a valid copy of any Win7+ disc in order to do a clean install. Activation will require the use of the product license key that's placed on the machine for OEM installs and MS will validate such an install over the net - I've done this with a single Win7 Upgrade set for all the systems in the house and had no problems with MS about validation. When I or one of the customers I support purchase a new system, that's the first thing I do after ensuring I have all the specific hardware drivers on a flash disk (particularly the network - dialup/ethernet/wi-fi) before I nuke it. Cheap and only requires a single upgrade set (32/64bit copies) to do this.
Yea the price MS is charging for Office Home-School version is pretty cheap. It's only $150 for three systems from the same disk. They should be charging $70 per seat in order to be the same price as the single seat version of Home and Business. The only difference is the Inclusion of Outlook.
If it was just me, I'd seriously look at the new Home and Business bundle for another $80 as it gives me the ability to install on a desktop and laptop but if you don't need Outlook get the home and school version because it gives you 3 seats w/o Outlook.
The only thing is, it's not the downloaders who are the infringers, it's those who uploaded the file to begin with and in the EU, that's the key difference. It's still legal to download files and at $0.10 I'd be quite willing to download any album I'm interested in as that would be far cheaper then Amazon/iTunes or any other Legitimate vendor because I don't give a rats ass if the label looses money or not. It's their fault for not providing things in a format I'm willing to pay for at a price I'm willing to pay - Tennent of a Free Market Economy and Capitalism.
I've experienced problems with the auto-update of Google products in the past, which is the reason I refuse to even allow them onto my computer now.
Tinfoil Hat Time: The biggest issue I've had with Google's software is the privacy elements. It wasn't so bad to begin with but the last time I installed Picassa, it wanted to index my entire system and send all of that data to Google
That was pretty much the last straw. Why does an image viewer need access to any files other then/Users/UserName/MyPictures? It doesn't need to scan the entire system by default looking for pictures and it shouldn't but since it's almost impossible to get any kind of response from Google for Tech Support, I pulled all of their apps (Search/Picassa) and what not and prepped to Nuke it From Orbit and a clean install because Google's Updater wasn't removed along with all the scheduled task entries (It continued to update itself and transfer information to the mothership - malware/spyware behaviour) afterwards. Although I continue using Google for email, docs and such, I'm not sanquine about their efforts to profile/collect as much information about me as they are and I block Analytics along with some of their other efforts but haven't reached the point of giving up using things like Gmail, Docs and Calendar due to the usefulness.
Yes and No with no button mapped to Esc or Enter/Return. Force a mouse click on the desired option.
And the first time it popped up, I'd be pissed and quit using the program simply because it is not allowing me to defer the decision until later. It would make far more sense to ensure that the Do Not Tack option is in the 1st Tools Menu Layer instead of the Options. This puts it in a prominent position where it will be seen by anyone who decides to examine the various options and tools provided. In regards to this being a mandantory choice durring installation, I do agree. Force the user to make a decision either way while Installing FF and include an explanation of what this setting means/does.
Old guy walks back into bank, waits in line and when he gets to teller, asks her to validate his parking stub. She tells him no so he steps aside and requests to speak to bank manager. When manager comes over he informs them that he's closing his accounts (plural) with the bank due to poor customer service for the refusal to validate the parking stub he'd forgot to have done when he was first in. Same teller. Manager discovers that said customer holds account in excess of 5million, then begs him to remain with the bank. Sorry but the quality of customer service has gone to hell here over the last 10 years.
What'll happen is that one of the people they've fired brings in 30-50 percent of all research funding yet they've never published? Well they've now lost all of that funding along with all of the projects because the funding owns the hardware that is being used in the research. Can they now afford to pay for the building upgrades/repairs? Not likely since they just lost a major source of money for that.
This is exactly what the problem is with the "Allow All" thinking. If everyone went with the "Deny All" and whitelist what is actually needed, we wouldn't have most of the damn problems we do as this shit wouldn't be possible to begin with
There's another book called "High Crusade" involving Knights in Armor, Aliens in Space Ships and the Crusades. The only good demon is a dead demon. We end up kicking their ass after they've taken a number of Knights because they can't defend against trebutchets and catapults. Their tech is to advanced that they simply can't detect them. Their defenses are geared for the destructive levels of their own explosives, beam weapons and such but they haven't considered what happens when Greek Fire is thrown at them from undectable launchers. A very good read for those who can find the book.
I do agree bonch and yes, the first question I had was just how does Google gauranty to me that the PW generation is being done in a secure way on my system and not theirs? The other issue is what happens when someone figures out a flaw in the PW generator and are then able to easily crack all of the PW's generated by everyone using this method? We've already seen it happen - Remember the Debian SSH key screwup?
As to trusting the browser, I really don't as far as retaining my passwords that's what a password safe is for because if someone compromises the pw.db you're screwed-blued and tatooed, which is why I use a PW safe. They have to figure out what app I'm using then compromise it before stealling all of my pw's.
Sorry bonch, but I'll stick with PassKeeper 1 as it's trully cross platform. Another reason and the most important one, is that I don't feel that the browser should ever generate my pw's for me. What happens if someone figures a compromise for the browser and am able to steal all the pw's you've generated? I do agree on not trusting Google in this case and in fact that was the first thing I thought of. Is the actual PW generation being done in a secure way on my system or is it being done using Google's servers; with Google then having a copy of all of my secure PW's? It all falls back to the reason I prefer using a seperate PW app such as PassKeeper and that I use the 1.0 version as it's not dependent on dotnet as the 2.0 tree is.
I suspect that the EOL in 2014 of XP is the only reason that many companies are even bothering to look at Win7 and as they upgrade, they'll stick with Win7 until EOL in 2020 when Win12 will finally be out and then they'll move to something Nix like that looks/acts like XP instead.
This is exactly what I was trying to say about their new fusion design.
AMD has realized that the critical aspect of CPU performance is math capabilities and with their new Fusion Designs, they have begun the replacement of the 387 math coprocessor with something that offers far better performance using elements from GPU designs such as the stream processors.
The only other apps that are needed by small businesses are Acrobat and Flash. MS actually has a decent replacement for Quickbooks though that's one that will be ported to WOA simply because Intuit doesn't want to loose business. To many small businesses use/depend on Quickbooks for their accounting needs and they're pretty much the defacto standard package for them. On the Acrobat and Flash issue, you simply can't avoid either of them because to many businesses use Acrobat for sending documents. My personal preferrence is an older version of Foxit Reader (1.3 build 1622) as it does what I need most times but sometimes I do have to use Acrobat because the idiots seem to think it's critical to use the latest stinking features for a simple doc.
As a home user, with the exception of Flash and Acrobat, there's little additional software that's needed. I have a friend who I provide occaisional support for that is now running this setup. She does have flash and Acrobat installed due to YouTube and various PDF's that simply depend on features that aren't supported by Foxit or Sumutra. Hell they'd be able to get by quite well with WOA if it was a decent laptop setup that satisfied their needs and because of them, I'll be testing the Beta/Preview as much as possible when it's available. If it works well and both Flash and Acrobat are ported to the WOA version, I'll be able to satisfy their RFC when they're ready to replace/upgrade their current laptop (about 2-3 years).
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Perhaps MS realizes this and figures they've got a good 9 more years to experiment before they need to make a solid desktop OS that'll be adopted by their enterprise customers?
Never thought of that but I wouldn't put it past them to treat us home users are damn guinea pigs once again. Only this time they've got a decade to get things right. Yes I did say decade as in 10 years because there is nothing that says MS couldn't extend support for Win7 a few months if needed.
I'm happy with an old system that still runs Me - preloaded and very little extra crap installed so it works fine. I even didn't have much of a problem with Vista though like many I complained about some idiotic things like very slow file copies/moves and a too aggressive UAC but once system was setup right, I had very few issues with it.
That's just like many scream about the Ribbon interface and I agree, it's a PITA because things that I'm used to finding in menus that I now have to learn where they're at.
What they should have called it was Windows 8 Beta, becuase that's exactly what it is - A damn Beta. Buggy as hell in some spots but like the Win7 Beta, it gives us an oppurtunity to see what's coming and figure out how to support the damn thing.
This is why I tend to stick with AMD over Intel. I can replace a board 5 years later with the same socket and my current CPU investment should simply drop right in and work while giving me access to newer features such as USB 2 and PCIe. Intel though wants you to buy a new motherboard and CPU every couple of years, which is why they change socket design. It also allows them to force segregate the market. A prime example is ECC memory support. The damn memory controller is now built into each and every damn Pentium/Xeon chip yet they don't support ECC on anything except the Server class Xeons. Why? Because it allows them to force you to buy the more expensive chip if you need ECC support unlike AMD who includes ECC support in damn near all of their desktop CPU's. The issue is the motherboard needs the extra traces to properly support ECC, which is the expensive part unlike including the support on the Die as AMD does.
The main problem that AMD has with both the Brazzos and Llano designs is production. Simply put, demand is so high that they were unable to meet the demand for all of their chips. Because of this and yeild issues with Global Foundaries, they jetisoned GF and worked with TSMC to get it out. From what the 3 prior posts (great explanations and why I still read /.) said, My take is that AMD now has a method of cutting the power consumption of chips like the A350 from 12 watts to 1/3 - 1/2 (4 - 6 watts) while staying on the same process size. This opens the production floodgates across the board because there are plenty of 45nm foundaries with available capacity.
Remember that one of the problems they had with Bulldozer was getting the yeilds up and this may be a solution to some of that problem. Another issue that comes to mind is that Global Foundaries simply didn't have enough capacity available, so AMD was going to have to farm some of their chip production out. So what chips make sense? Those still using the 45nm process and if this offers anything near what I see in power reduction, then they would finally be able to meet Intel's Performance per Watt and start regaining market share.
(in case you haven't heard in a serious "WTF are they thinking?" move AMD has killed AM3 for two sockets that have less than a year of life in them, FM1 and AM3+)
Please turn in your geek card and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. You forgot that when AMD changes a socket from the AM# to AM#+ that the new socket supports the AM# chips fully. They're adding new features to the socket but that's the advantage. All of those AM3 CPU's will work in the new AM3+ socket without issue, unless the OEM/Bios maker screws something up.
I will agree it's a WTF is Tiger thinking selling off their stock of 95watt Thubans as they'll work just fine in the new socket. The only reason I can see them making this decision is that the AM3+ Thubans are a better deal and they want to make the most of the stock they've already have before the new ones hit the market at a cheaper price.
The problem is, the Tegra does not have an LTE radio/modem on the SoC. This means it's a seperate chip and the current chips do not pla nicely with the Tegra. Qualcomn has pulled a major upset with their new design as the SnapDragon is faster, uses less power and includes the needed LTE radio on the die. The only area where the Qualcomn offering sucks tits on a worm is graphics as the Tegra beats the hell out of it like a red headed step-child but that's the only thing it wins.
and now, he's on the No Fly List and DHS Watch lists as a Potential Terrorist. Maybe the gubbermint will pick him up and send him to g'tmo for some reeducation.
Hate Crime Laws are the new Political Correctness and that's absolutely abhorent under the Constituitional Guaranty of Equal Protection under the Law. The entire purpose of Political Correctness Laws such as these are to destroy the Constitution
I'd say a 16GB flash drive is large enough to not only boot but run Ubunta. Simply build a custom installation and install it to the flash drives. Pull the drives from the laptops though you need to record what machine they came from for reinstall and configure them to boot from usb. Problem solved and if someone borks the system, simply swap a good stick and reimage. Keep in mind that you can probably get 50+ 16GB flash drives for pretty cheap. This gives you several spares for those who decide to take it home. Heck if you're charging for this, add the cost of the flash drives into the price and cut the worry about the things. Cheap Value Added that may give you the option of doing it again.
Unlike Linux, BSD has plenty of commercial apps available - no arguments about tainting the kernel as the BSD license allows for that, so support is available for that app. BSD Tends to be very stable between releases with a longer release cycle. This helps commercial software apps as they can target a specific version and Know it will work unlike linux where you have so many different versions of the LFSHS or even what's supposed to be installed by default. BSD is the Unix Standard - means that if you write to that standard, it will work. That's why Apple chose BSD as the base of OS X.
People tend to complain that BSD doesn't work well on a desktop and that's true because BSD is designed/optimized for Servers. PC-BSD is the desktop version. OpenBSD is geared towards security from the beginning and most of what they do (code audits and such) tend to find their way back into the regular BSD branches.
The only thing is, as a Sprint Customer, I can say these changes they've made do not apply in California as California has already ruled on the state level that an ETF is ilegal and tantamount to "Adhesion". As to class action status and the requirement to go to arbitration, that also is not legal in California as you can never give up your right to pursue legal remedies. That aribtration clause has been thrown out of our contracts as a requirement though they can insist on it as it reduces the case load upon our court system.
sorry but you don't have to pay 200-500 for a full copy of windows to do that. All you need is a valid copy of any Win7+ disc in order to do a clean install. Activation will require the use of the product license key that's placed on the machine for OEM installs and MS will validate such an install over the net - I've done this with a single Win7 Upgrade set for all the systems in the house and had no problems with MS about validation. When I or one of the customers I support purchase a new system, that's the first thing I do after ensuring I have all the specific hardware drivers on a flash disk (particularly the network - dialup/ethernet/wi-fi) before I nuke it. Cheap and only requires a single upgrade set (32/64bit copies) to do this.
Yea the price MS is charging for Office Home-School version is pretty cheap. It's only $150 for three systems from the same disk. They should be charging $70 per seat in order to be the same price as the single seat version of Home and Business. The only difference is the Inclusion of Outlook.
If it was just me, I'd seriously look at the new Home and Business bundle for another $80 as it gives me the ability to install on a desktop and laptop but if you don't need Outlook get the home and school version because it gives you 3 seats w/o Outlook.
The only thing is, it's not the downloaders who are the infringers, it's those who uploaded the file to begin with and in the EU, that's the key difference. It's still legal to download files and at $0.10 I'd be quite willing to download any album I'm interested in as that would be far cheaper then Amazon/iTunes or any other Legitimate vendor because I don't give a rats ass if the label looses money or not. It's their fault for not providing things in a format I'm willing to pay for at a price I'm willing to pay - Tennent of a Free Market Economy and Capitalism.
I've experienced problems with the auto-update of Google products in the past, which is the reason I refuse to even allow them onto my computer now.
That was pretty much the last straw. Why does an image viewer need access to any files other then /Users/UserName/MyPictures? It doesn't need to scan the entire system by default looking for pictures and it shouldn't but since it's almost impossible to get any kind of response from Google for Tech Support, I pulled all of their apps (Search/Picassa) and what not and prepped to Nuke it From Orbit and a clean install because Google's Updater wasn't removed along with all the scheduled task entries (It continued to update itself and transfer information to the mothership - malware/spyware behaviour) afterwards. Although I continue using Google for email, docs and such, I'm not sanquine about their efforts to profile/collect as much information about me as they are and I block Analytics along with some of their other efforts but haven't reached the point of giving up using things like Gmail, Docs and Calendar due to the usefulness.
Yes and No with no button mapped to Esc or Enter/Return. Force a mouse click on the desired option.
And the first time it popped up, I'd be pissed and quit using the program simply because it is not allowing me to defer the decision until later. It would make far more sense to ensure that the Do Not Tack option is in the 1st Tools Menu Layer instead of the Options. This puts it in a prominent position where it will be seen by anyone who decides to examine the various options and tools provided. In regards to this being a mandantory choice durring installation, I do agree. Force the user to make a decision either way while Installing FF and include an explanation of what this setting means/does.
I'm going to throw a Car Analogy out here:
Old guy walks back into bank, waits in line and when he gets to teller, asks her to validate his parking stub. She tells him no so he steps aside and requests to speak to bank manager. When manager comes over he informs them that he's closing his accounts (plural) with the bank due to poor customer service for the refusal to validate the parking stub he'd forgot to have done when he was first in. Same teller. Manager discovers that said customer holds account in excess of 5million, then begs him to remain with the bank. Sorry but the quality of customer service has gone to hell here over the last 10 years.
What'll happen is that one of the people they've fired brings in 30-50 percent of all research funding yet they've never published? Well they've now lost all of that funding along with all of the projects because the funding owns the hardware that is being used in the research. Can they now afford to pay for the building upgrades/repairs? Not likely since they just lost a major source of money for that.
This is exactly what the problem is with the "Allow All" thinking. If everyone went with the "Deny All" and whitelist what is actually needed, we wouldn't have most of the damn problems we do as this shit wouldn't be possible to begin with
There's another book called "High Crusade" involving Knights in Armor, Aliens in Space Ships and the Crusades. The only good demon is a dead demon. We end up kicking their ass after they've taken a number of Knights because they can't defend against trebutchets and catapults. Their tech is to advanced that they simply can't detect them. Their defenses are geared for the destructive levels of their own explosives, beam weapons and such but they haven't considered what happens when Greek Fire is thrown at them from undectable launchers. A very good read for those who can find the book.
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I do agree bonch and yes, the first question I had was just how does Google gauranty to me that the PW generation is being done in a secure way on my system and not theirs? The other issue is what happens when someone figures out a flaw in the PW generator and are then able to easily crack all of the PW's generated by everyone using this method? We've already seen it happen - Remember the Debian SSH key screwup?
As to trusting the browser, I really don't as far as retaining my passwords that's what a password safe is for because if someone compromises the pw.db you're screwed-blued and tatooed, which is why I use a PW safe. They have to figure out what app I'm using then compromise it before stealling all of my pw's.
Sorry bonch, but I'll stick with PassKeeper 1 as it's trully cross platform. Another reason and the most important one, is that I don't feel that the browser should ever generate my pw's for me. What happens if someone figures a compromise for the browser and am able to steal all the pw's you've generated? I do agree on not trusting Google in this case and in fact that was the first thing I thought of. Is the actual PW generation being done in a secure way on my system or is it being done using Google's servers; with Google then having a copy of all of my secure PW's? It all falls back to the reason I prefer using a seperate PW app such as PassKeeper and that I use the 1.0 version as it's not dependent on dotnet as the 2.0 tree is.
I suspect that the EOL in 2014 of XP is the only reason that many companies are even bothering to look at Win7 and as they upgrade, they'll stick with Win7 until EOL in 2020 when Win12 will finally be out and then they'll move to something Nix like that looks/acts like XP instead.
This is exactly what I was trying to say about their new fusion design.
AMD has realized that the critical aspect of CPU performance is math capabilities and with their new Fusion Designs, they have begun the replacement of the 387 math coprocessor with something that offers far better performance using elements from GPU designs such as the stream processors.
when skynet becomes self-aware
God damn speed filter
I'm not a cowboy! Sod off you damn Whore Mongers, the damn speed filter doesn't apply to me as I'm a Fast Turtle for damn good reason,.
The only other apps that are needed by small businesses are Acrobat and Flash. MS actually has a decent replacement for Quickbooks though that's one that will be ported to WOA simply because Intuit doesn't want to loose business. To many small businesses use/depend on Quickbooks for their accounting needs and they're pretty much the defacto standard package for them. On the Acrobat and Flash issue, you simply can't avoid either of them because to many businesses use Acrobat for sending documents. My personal preferrence is an older version of Foxit Reader (1.3 build 1622) as it does what I need most times but sometimes I do have to use Acrobat because the idiots seem to think it's critical to use the latest stinking features for a simple doc.
As a home user, with the exception of Flash and Acrobat, there's little additional software that's needed. I have a friend who I provide occaisional support for that is now running this setup. She does have flash and Acrobat installed due to YouTube and various PDF's that simply depend on features that aren't supported by Foxit or Sumutra. Hell they'd be able to get by quite well with WOA if it was a decent laptop setup that satisfied their needs and because of them, I'll be testing the Beta/Preview as much as possible when it's available. If it works well and both Flash and Acrobat are ported to the WOA version, I'll be able to satisfy their RFC when they're ready to replace/upgrade their current laptop (about 2-3 years).