very true. The thru-put on this motherboard would be greatly improved resulting in a much more effiecient bus. If this is the way they implement it. That would be uber c00l.
Installing memory in pairs would let you interleave it at 128 bits, but it would be an super-engineering accomplishment to get it running at 200MHz. We call a dual PII system a "Dual 450MHz PII computer" not a "900MHz PII system". 100MHz 128bit bandwith would be enough for a system like this... It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Looks like the FSB is going to actually be around 100MHz vs. 200MHz. The 200MHz bus people talk about is to chipset and other processors. This will certainly improve the efficiency of dual processor systems, but the motherboard still connects to the RAM at ~100MHz and the PCI bus at 33 or 66MHz. One thing i am wondering about is overclocking the motherboard bus speed. If you OC the memory bus to 133, this will also affect the PCI bus, OCing it to either 44.4MHz with a 3X multiplier or, if you can adjust the multiplier (many motherboards cannot), perhaps 33.3MHz with a 4X multiplier. This has been one major problem with OCing the bus, and inturn, the PCI bus. It messes with PCI cards and can cause instability. I would assume that the 200MHz bus to the CPU would be affected also by the main bus overclock. This would result in complications and most likely an unstable system.
But, I'm sure Abit will work around this.;) BTW: the G4 bus will perform a similar trick by doubling the bus width between processors and memory instead of MHz speed. Its called the MaxBus and will transfer data at 128 bits instead of 64. I'm not sure SDRAM will be used, though. It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
True, and I heard that Apple invented to atom bomb and started the holocaust. You know the ignorant folks spell Mac in all caps like it's an acronym. MAC, heh. It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
was that Windows has more buttons and doo-dads than Linux ever will! It is easier to get lost in Windows than Linux, therefore it has more features. Cave in Linux Users! Windows is here to stay! tak*
PS. Um, NOT! It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Well, Apple sells hardware. I seriously doubt they give a damn what OS you put on them as long as you buy the hardware from them...
As far as the CPU issue goes, they don't mean the G3 processor it self. Many companies use the acronymn 'CPU' to mean the PC it self. The whole unit itself. I'm sure they didn't just mean the processor. It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
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Thats ounds good, right? Why don't they do it? Alpha is an "open" architecture, supposedly. If they don't make BeOS for the G3 because Apple wont release the G3 specs, will Compaq release the Alpha system specs to Be? Is there an interest in Be/Alpha or am I mistaken?
Might it really have something to do with Intels "investment" in Be? It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Yes, and I think it was Steve Jobs who said 256K of RAM was enough..he he, boy was he wrong It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
You know what would happen. Steve would convince Larry to kill Bill and Steve would finish the exhausted Larry off! Then Steve would rule the computer industry! Woo hoo! Yikes. It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Thanks for your typical X86 Linux users balanced viewpoint! You do the fanatically-ultra-open-OS-and-hardware stereotype proud! not. oh ya... Macs suck! Steve Jobs is a whore and Bill Gates is not that bad! It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
The coolest case I saw there was the Duo case. It would be cool if there was an option for black with the purple. The real question is, how do they open up? Like a standard ATX case? If so, big deal. Wheres the innovation there? It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
You are right about the boneheaded move they did by moving to NT on Intel. That was just stupid. It was a reaction to their losing thier MacOS license. This is what kids do... They're worse than Apple was between 1990-96 It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Thats got to be one of the most ignorant remarks ever posted on/. You, my friend, are greatly mistaken. Mac users are not morons and the G3 is certainly getting results in the market. Get a clue. Sheesh...you give AC's a bad name. It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
There is nothing wrong with Mac hardware. It is superior or at least equal to PC hardware. The problem people seem to have is with the OS. It doesn't have the advanced features that a modern OS should have. I purchased a G3/300 (beige) about 3 weeks ago and have not crashed out of the OS once. This is true. The buzzwords are all fine and dandy (protected memory, pre-emptive multitasking, etc.) but the true measure of an OS is real-world stability. That also depends on the programs being run on it too. Developers may have issues programming for MacOS but that will change soon with the intro of MacOS X. Sure, I know its so-called "vaporware" at this time, so spare me your vapor accusations. Linux support is pretty much vapor with the big PC manufacturers also but its not being held against it.
I do aree with you on that the G4 will be a rocking chip. But the real G4 too look out for will be the 2nd revision of the chip. It will have a 128bit cache bus and 128bit MaxBus that will provide the most thruput of any chip that will be out there at the time. Look for it in late 99. It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
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very true. The thru-put on this motherboard would be greatly improved resulting in a much more effiecient bus. If this is the way they implement it. That would be uber c00l.
Installing memory in pairs would let you interleave it at 128 bits, but it would be an super-engineering accomplishment to get it running at 200MHz. We call a dual PII system a "Dual 450MHz PII computer" not a "900MHz PII system". 100MHz 128bit bandwith would be enough for a system like this...
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Looks like the FSB is going to actually be around 100MHz vs. 200MHz. The 200MHz bus people talk about is to chipset and other processors. This will certainly improve the efficiency of dual processor systems, but the motherboard still connects to the RAM at ~100MHz and the PCI bus at 33 or 66MHz. One thing i am wondering about is overclocking the motherboard bus speed. If you OC the memory bus to 133, this will also affect the PCI bus, OCing it to either 44.4MHz with a 3X multiplier or, if you can adjust the multiplier (many motherboards cannot), perhaps 33.3MHz with a 4X multiplier. This has been one major problem with OCing the bus, and inturn, the PCI bus. It messes with PCI cards and can cause instability.
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I would assume that the 200MHz bus to the CPU would be affected also by the main bus overclock. This would result in complications and most likely an unstable system.
But, I'm sure Abit will work around this.
BTW: the G4 bus will perform a similar trick by doubling the bus width between processors and memory instead of MHz speed. Its called the MaxBus and will transfer data at 128 bits instead of 64. I'm not sure SDRAM will be used, though.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
True, and I heard that Apple invented to atom bomb and started the holocaust. You know the ignorant folks spell Mac in all caps like it's an acronym. MAC, heh.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
was that Windows has more buttons and doo-dads than Linux ever will! It is easier to get lost in Windows than Linux, therefore it has more features. Cave in Linux Users! Windows is here to stay!
tak*
PS. Um, NOT!
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Well, Apple sells hardware. I seriously doubt they give a damn what OS you put on them as long as you buy the hardware from them...
As far as the CPU issue goes, they don't mean the G3 processor it self. Many companies use the acronymn 'CPU' to mean the PC it self. The whole unit itself. I'm sure they didn't just mean the processor.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
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Try this.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Go here: Good job.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Thats ounds good, right? Why don't they do it? Alpha is an "open" architecture, supposedly. If they don't make BeOS for the G3 because Apple wont release the G3 specs, will Compaq release the Alpha system specs to Be? Is there an interest in Be/Alpha or am I mistaken?
Might it really have something to do with Intels "investment" in Be?
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Yes, and I think it was Steve Jobs who said 256K of RAM was enough..he he, boy was he wrong
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
You know what would happen. Steve would convince Larry to kill Bill and Steve would finish the exhausted Larry off! Then Steve would rule the computer industry! Woo hoo! Yikes.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
cause LinuxPPC doesnt work on the same machine. NEXT!
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
They meant 1st OS company. Netscape doesnt have a OSS OS. Neither does IBM.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
The price has been lowered over 50%. As cheap as $250. A 5 user license is $500
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
The price was cut by 50%. It is $499 for a 5 user license. $250 for edu purchases.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
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It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
And next time i hear a wuss agitating about how good is mac, i'm gonna beat'em to a bloody pulp.
You shouldn't be in a society full of people. Seriously.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Thanks for your typical X86 Linux users balanced viewpoint! You do the fanatically-ultra-open-OS-and-hardware stereotype proud! not.
oh ya...
Macs suck! Steve Jobs is a whore and Bill Gates is not that bad!
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
id I miss when they started publishing
the secritive hardware specs for the macintrash?
I don't hate macs,...
thats a contradiction...you're fooling no one.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
The coolest case I saw there was the Duo case. It would be cool if there was an option for black with the purple. The real question is, how do they open up? Like a standard ATX case? If so, big deal. Wheres the innovation there?
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
You are right about the boneheaded move they did by moving to NT on Intel. That was just stupid. It was a reaction to their losing thier MacOS license. This is what kids do...
They're worse than Apple was between 1990-96
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Thats got to be one of the most ignorant remarks ever posted on /. You, my friend, are greatly mistaken. Mac users are not morons and the G3 is certainly getting results in the market. Get a clue.
Sheesh...you give AC's a bad name.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
They both design and manufacter the G3. They produce it differently though...
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
There is nothing wrong with Mac hardware. It is superior or at least equal to PC hardware. The problem people seem to have is with the OS. It doesn't have the advanced features that a modern OS should have. I purchased a G3/300 (beige) about 3 weeks ago and have not crashed out of the OS once. This is true. The buzzwords are all fine and dandy (protected memory, pre-emptive multitasking, etc.) but the true measure of an OS is real-world stability. That also depends on the programs being run on it too. Developers may have issues programming for MacOS but that will change soon with the intro of MacOS X. Sure, I know its so-called "vaporware" at this time, so spare me your vapor accusations. Linux support is pretty much vapor with the big PC manufacturers also but its not being held against it.
I do aree with you on that the G4 will be a rocking chip. But the real G4 too look out for will be the 2nd revision of the chip. It will have a 128bit cache bus and 128bit MaxBus that will provide the most thruput of any chip that will be out there at the time. Look for it in late 99.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
MacOS X will not cost over $100.
MacOS X Server will be $1,000.
Now we're nothing.
At 22watts each the PIIs would consume 704w. HDs and memory would add another 1200w. Thats about ~2000w. Or 20 light bulbs.
Now we're nothing.