Hmm...in OS X, the finder is just another application. You can terminate it and use X or KDE or Gnome even. Let Apple do its own thing and Linux develop on its own. Soon the two will be able to run the same apps so it doesnt even make a difference. Now we're nothing.
Doubtful, but it would be awesome. They would have to be CHRP machines so they can run all the OSs available for the PPC. It would also force Apple to allow cloning again. Dell would be too big for Apple to stop and they would end up being more like IBM; a technology company. Remember in the early 80's when IBM was the king of hardware? Well PC clones sure took care of that.
Well, back to reality; like I said, doubtful. Now we're nothing.
speaking of LinuxWorld Expo, anyone see the 4x G3 SMP demo. Its expensive as hell, but mabey they can explain how they pulled off that trick.
BTW: here is a site that has 4 G3's on a 64bit PCI card with 2 DIMM slots. Its for NT and MacOS. Hmmm...a B&W G3 with 3 of those card can have 13 processors and 2.5Gb of RAM....but the heat! heh -- Now we're nothing.
Hypotheticals about Apple are irrelevant. They don't want BeOS or mac clones. Period.
So? Who is forcing anyone to buy Apple? Certainly not your boss. Or family members or friends. If they don't want BeOS or mac clones, that their decision and they will face the conciquences(if there is any).
I'm still waiting for that PPC Chrp PC even if it only runs linux. I guess linux is also locked up in x86/intel world and will be even more entrenched with the new intel optimizations. gcc for PPC isn't going to be as optimised
Only runs Linux? That sound a little closed. If there is an interest in Linux for PPC then someone will make it happen. And it will. Or I could be wrong and Linux will be X86 only. Who knows? =P -- Now we're nothing.
Even if Apple does release the G3 motherboard specs to Be, I think Be would find another excuse to not develop BeOS for the PowerPC. Don't get me wrong, I love the PPC (I have 2 Macs at home and one at work), but it makes sense for Be to focus on the X86 market....for now. The PPC market is too small for them to make a dent in the whole OS market share. X86 is enourmous. They can start building a bigger user base in the X86 sector to secure a 10%-20% total OS market share before moving to other platforms like PPC. If you want a high end BeOS system, it makes better sense to get a high end K6-2 or K6-3.
Hopefully, in a couple of years, they can once again diverge onto the PPC(and other) platforms. Saying that you refuse to buy a Mac is not the answer. If a company wanted to, they could make their own PPC CHiRP motherboard and bundle BeOS with it. There is no reason a PPC motherboard has to be more expensive than a Intel mobo. -- Now we're nothing.
Sad, but true... (IMHO)
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True, but what i meant was, if YOU need to run NT, not the machine. -- Corruption breeds insanity. Insanity breeds power. Power breeds curruption... -- Now we're nothing.
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And how do you propose to do 4 way or 8 way SMP with a PII?? They can only do 2 way and even with a Xeon, they are limited to 4 way. And forget AMD SMP....
For low cost SMP that does not require NT, PPC is the only way to go. Look at the RS/6000's and AS/400's or Bull computing in france. -- Corruption breeds insanity. Insanity breeds power. Power breeds curruption... -- Now we're nothing.
I wouldn't put too much faith in the Motorola mobos. They are way too expensive. $2400 for a 300MHz 604e motherboard and $3800 for a dual 333MHz is pretty bad. We need someone to develop a cheap motherboard based on the powerPC.
Ways to make it cheaper: Use IDE instead of SCSI. Standard DIMMS (SDRAM) Stick to PCI (no ISA slots or bridge chips) Use standard AGP slot ship with a standard BGA ZIF socket so you can buy a G3 or G4 Use USB, parrallel, firewire
I work at ComPUSA Direct and this is an email we got on this today:
If we get any calls about customers wanting to return their Microsoft based PC Operating System Software and the Software has not been registered please follow this criteria:
1. If it is a CompPC we can only accept the product back for refund as we only offer Microsoft Operating system products. The refund amount would be $79 and would be credited to the customer upon receipt and inspection of the return.
2. If it is a non CompPC we should refer the customer to that vendor.
Joe
-----Original Message----- From: deleted Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 6:46 PM To: deleted Subject: Questions on Microsoft Windows Refunds
A number of Linux Operating System users groups have declared Monday, February 15th, Windows Refund Day. Although we do not expect to receive calls on this issue there is always the possibility.
1. If a customer calls requesting a refund for a Microsoft operating system that is installed on a system purchased from us and the operating system has been registered with Microsoft there is no refund ability. To change operating systems this customer would need to purchase new operating system software.
2. If a customer has received a system from us, has not loaded and registered the operating system and is looking for a refund for the cost of the operating system please refer this customer to Customer Service.
They are involved in a secret government project to make a mind control processor using alien and soviet technology. Their purpose is to control the human race through a simple solitaire game.
Or is that Microsoft? Either way, we're in for some hard times ahead. Our only hope is that they run NT on it and it crashes before the subjugate us.
...the MacCentral forum. Especially Jason. He admitted he worked for MS. (but I wouldn't beleive everything he says).....but, a lot of kids out there may be getting out of line defending MS, that it seems they work for MS. I wouldn't discount that.
Well you can get a New G3 and upgrade it to the G4 later on. The mother board can support multipliers up to 8, so thats 800MHz!
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Have you even used a Mac?? The start menu?!?!?! Have you ever seen the Apple menu? Much easier to add to it and customize it that the "Start" menu. Also, it looks more like a button than a menu.
I had the same idea. I also would like to start a business making and selling PPC systems running Linux and MacOS X. Even AIX. CHRP is not a closed standard and its cleaner than X86. But I don't agree that Apple has a strangle hold on the PPC. They don't even manufacture them. Motorola and IBM do. They are not popular for the desktop because INTEL has a strangle hold on the desktop (not really Intel, but any X86 chip maker). If you look around, there are PPC system makers, like Bull computing, IBM, PIOS (They changed their name), etc.
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Heh heh...true. I('ve) use(d) Mac, PC, and BeOS. They both have features I like and dislike, and each one has its place
Now we're nothing.
Hmm...in OS X, the finder is just another application. You can terminate it and use X or KDE or Gnome even. Let Apple do its own thing and Linux develop on its own. Soon the two will be able to run the same apps so it doesnt even make a difference.
Now we're nothing.
Doubtful, but it would be awesome. They would have to be CHRP machines so they can run all the OSs available for the PPC. It would also force Apple to allow cloning again. Dell would be too big for Apple to stop and they would end up being more like IBM; a technology company.
Remember in the early 80's when IBM was the king of hardware? Well PC clones sure took care of that.
Well, back to reality; like I said, doubtful.
Now we're nothing.
speaking of LinuxWorld Expo, anyone see the 4x G3 SMP demo. Its expensive as hell, but mabey they can explain how they pulled off that trick.
BTW: here is a site that has 4 G3's on a 64bit PCI card with 2 DIMM slots. Its for NT and MacOS. Hmmm...a B&W G3 with 3 of those card can have 13 processors and 2.5Gb of RAM....but the heat! heh
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Now we're nothing.
If I Recall Correctly it means, well, "If I Recall Correctly"! =P
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Now we're nothing.
Hypotheticals about Apple are irrelevant. They don't want BeOS or mac clones. Period.
So? Who is forcing anyone to buy Apple? Certainly not your boss. Or family members or friends. If they don't want BeOS or mac clones, that their decision and they will face the conciquences(if there is any).
I'm still waiting for that PPC Chrp PC even if it only runs linux. I guess linux is also locked up in x86/intel world and will be
even more entrenched with the new intel optimizations. gcc for PPC isn't going to be as optimised
Only runs Linux? That sound a little closed. If there is an interest in Linux for PPC then someone will make it happen. And it will.
Or I could be wrong and Linux will be X86 only. Who knows? =P
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Now we're nothing.
Even if Apple does release the G3 motherboard specs to Be, I think Be would find another excuse to not develop BeOS for the PowerPC. Don't get me wrong, I love the PPC (I have 2 Macs at home and one at work), but it makes sense for Be to focus on the X86 market....for now. The PPC market is too small for them to make a dent in the whole OS market share. X86 is enourmous. They can start building a bigger user base in the X86 sector to secure a 10%-20% total OS market share before moving to other platforms like PPC. If you want a high end BeOS system, it makes better sense to get a high end K6-2 or K6-3.
Hopefully, in a couple of years, they can once again diverge onto the PPC(and other) platforms. Saying that you refuse to buy a Mac is not the answer. If a company wanted to, they could make their own PPC CHiRP motherboard and bundle BeOS with it. There is no reason a PPC motherboard has to be more expensive than a Intel mobo.
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Now we're nothing.
True, but what i meant was, if YOU need to run NT, not the machine.
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Corruption breeds insanity.
Insanity breeds power.
Power breeds curruption...
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Now we're nothing.
And how do you propose to do 4 way or 8 way SMP with a PII?? They can only do 2 way and even with a Xeon, they are limited to 4 way. And forget AMD SMP....
For low cost SMP that does not require NT, PPC is the only way to go. Look at the RS/6000's and AS/400's or Bull computing in france.
--
Corruption breeds insanity.
Insanity breeds power.
Power breeds curruption...
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Now we're nothing.
It means, since CompPCs only come with MS OSs, if you return the OEM CD and Cert. of Authenticity, you can get $79. But, only today.
I wouldn't put too much faith in the Motorola mobos. They are way too expensive. $2400 for a 300MHz 604e motherboard and $3800 for a dual 333MHz is pretty bad. We need someone to develop a cheap motherboard based on the powerPC.
Ways to make it cheaper:
Use IDE instead of SCSI.
Standard DIMMS (SDRAM)
Stick to PCI (no ISA slots or bridge chips)
Use standard AGP slot
ship with a standard BGA ZIF socket so you can buy a G3 or G4
Use USB, parrallel, firewire
Why? Can you refute any of his points?
I work at ComPUSA Direct and this is an email we got on this today:
If we get any calls about customers wanting to return their Microsoft based PC Operating System Software and the Software has not been registered please follow this criteria:
1. If it is a CompPC we can only accept the product back for refund as we only offer Microsoft Operating system products. The refund amount would be $79 and would be credited to the customer upon receipt and inspection of the return.
2. If it is a non CompPC we should refer the customer to that vendor.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: deleted
Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 6:46 PM
To: deleted
Subject: Questions on Microsoft Windows Refunds
A number of Linux Operating System users groups have declared Monday, February 15th, Windows Refund Day. Although we do not expect to receive calls on this issue there is always the possibility.
1. If a customer calls requesting a refund for a Microsoft operating system that is installed on a system purchased from us and the operating system has been registered with Microsoft there is no refund ability. To change operating systems this customer would need to purchase new operating system software.
2. If a customer has received a system from us, has not loaded and registered the operating system and is looking for a refund for the cost of the operating system please refer this customer to Customer Service.
So thats 1,030 + (615 x 2)= $2,860.
A grand cheaper that the PPC, but i'd rather get a PPC and be able to run more OS's.
They are involved in a secret government project to make a mind control processor using alien and soviet technology. Their purpose is to control the human race through a simple solitaire game.
Or is that Microsoft? Either way, we're in for some hard times ahead. Our only hope is that they run NT on it and it crashes before the subjugate us.
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Especially the MTX604-071 (dual 400MHz 604e) and the MTX604-003A (300MHz 604e).
...the MacCentral forum. Especially Jason. He admitted he worked for MS. (but I wouldn't beleive everything he says).....but, a lot of kids out there may be getting out of line defending MS, that it seems they work for MS. I wouldn't discount that.
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With the G4 coming out soon, I know the computer I'm getting... Photoshop with Altivec acceleration will Rock!
Well you can get a New G3 and upgrade it to the G4 later on. The mother board can support multipliers up to 8, so thats 800MHz!
Have you even used a Mac??
The start menu?!?!?!
Have you ever seen the Apple menu? Much easier to add to it and customize it that the "Start" menu. Also, it looks more like a button than a menu.
Also, they all come with 1MB of backside cache! Who want to build CHRP compatible machines with me!?
...oh well. Someday I'll fulfill my dream of PowerPC desktop world domination. Duopolies are better than monopolies.
When you totally miss the point, you say something that makes you look like an idiot.
Can you price that out??
On price watch, this is what i get: (under-estemating)
PII 400MHz - $400
decent mobo - $80
64MB RAM - $70
4GB HD - $100
CD + floppy - $100
3D video card - $120
case + p/s(an ugly one) - $25
TOTAL: $895
You can get one for under $600?! where?
I had the same idea. I also would like to start a business making and selling PPC systems running Linux and MacOS X. Even AIX. CHRP is not a closed standard and its cleaner than X86. But I don't agree that Apple has a strangle hold on the PPC. They don't even manufacture them. Motorola and IBM do. They are not popular for the desktop because INTEL has a strangle hold on the desktop (not really Intel, but any X86 chip maker).
If you look around, there are PPC system makers, like Bull computing, IBM, PIOS (They changed their name), etc.