Separate legal entity. Intel may be pissed off about it, but Dell is still Dell, and Alienware was using AMD processors anyway; no one gained or lost any ground in marketshare.
Ok, Ok, I know dell buys it from someone else, like they buy their fibrechannel SANs from EMC... but, we just bought one of these for the Computer Science department at Virginia Tech. Without the additional library component, it's i think 5U's, and holds 20 or 24 tapes. We are using 400GB/800GB LTO-type tapes. We back up to a gateway SAS (Scsi Attached Storage) array (it's slick - 2U, 12x500GB SATA drives, SCSI320 interfaces in back, manages all raid onboard), and flush from there to tape. We bought 75 tapes, so in theory that's 60TB of storage.
The machine its self keeps track of the tapes - it comes with a set of stick on / color coded bar codes, and it scans the tapes you pop in with a barcode reader.
It's cool. It may not be enough for your setup, but it was only like $50k for the autoloader and tapes.
To me, writing things down (and trust me, with a history degree, I did plenty of it) helped me to remember it. I think it was the multiple stimulus - I heard the data, I physically did something with the data (the motion of the pen), and I saw it (after I wrote it).
Taking all that in I think helped me quite a bit. I have a pretty good memory with things that I have taken good notes on, to the point that if I read my notes, I can recal with pretty good detail the character and inflection of the professor's voice. Just reading the text and my notes was usually enough study preparation for me; but I usually prepared outlines for essay questions and things anyway. And Yes, I actually would rather take an essay test than a MC one (and have, when given the choice).
Not to say I did this all the time, writing every word that was said - I had to figure out for myself what was important for me to remember.
Especially in the sciences?!? Try taking a Byzantine Empire focused history class sometime!
Most social sciences don't coddle you into reading the lecture material before class; you either figure it out, or you're sunk to the C range. I can't tell you how many times it made things easier on me to pour over the textbooks and source material ahead of time, so that I could acutally *learn* in class.
I agree 100% that communities should determine what is and isn't acceptable in their little part of the world.
And I disagree. Probably not 100%, but... yeah. When the federal government supports little enclaves of backwoods people, saying "their laws are different than what we think should be the laws", you pave the way for government sponsored bigotry and disunity within the country as a whole. I mean, now, it's just that Alabama has different censorship standards than California, and I don't want to get into a slippery slope arguement... but how far of a jump is it from that to making it illegal for folks in Alabama to hear Howard Stern on sirius? Or to watch The Sopranos on HBO?
I'm not saying that doing this will kick us back into Jim Crow laws, but... it's a step in the wrong direction. One Unified Country, please. Not "most of us" and "the prudes in the south and Utah".
Thank you, I was going to point out that according to Thomas Malthus' explanation of carrying capacity, a species does not ease up comfortably to the carrying capacity as a limit graph would show; the species will grossly overshoot the carying capacity of the environment it lives in, and will die off rapidly, dip under the carying capacity, flourish, and overshoot it again. The real graph depiction is something approaching an oscilating sine wave, where as time increases, the modulation decreases, but is ever present.
That's what we're steaming head on for.
It's thanks to the works of people like Norman Borlaug that we are even where we are today. A supremely intelligent geneticist, he actually had the conviction in his ideas to step out of the comfort of a lab and move his family to mexico, where he doubled wheat production of the country in just a few years. He did it again in India, and again with rice production in Asia.
In Penn and Teller: Bullshit!, Borlaug refutes the claims of green activists who claim that genetically engineered crops are going to ruin the world and poison the food. He says that's easy to say when you're not hungry, but without GE crops, we've only got enough food to feed 4 billion people, and I don't see 2 billion volunteers to dissappear. And he's right - If we're going to have the population, we're going to have to feed them. It's estimated by some that Norman Borlaug has saved the lives of over a billion (carl sagan with a "B" billion) people. Greatest human being ever, indeed.
#yum install ghostview. THINKING PARSING THINKING UPDATING THINKING 5 minutes later NO matching packages, nothing to do. Crap. #Yum search ghostview. Oh!!! Here's ELEVENTY BILLION DIFFERENT PACKAGES FOR GHOSTVIEW, NONE OF WHICH ARE ACTUALLY THE PROGRAM. Goddamnit. #yum info ghostview. No matching packages. --Google ghostview. Package is called gv. Oh, that explains it. No problem. #yum install gv. THINKING PARSING THINKING UPDATING 52 of 72812 files parsex UPDATING REPOSITORY.XML 5 minutes later No matching packages. wtf. #yum search gv. Shipboard computer Eddie: HERE YOU GO BUDDY, HERE'S EVERY PACKAGE ON THE PLANET WITH THE LETTERS G AND V NEXT TO EACH OTHER IN THE PACKAGE NAME OR DESCRIPTION. Thanks. #yum info gv. Package gvv not installed. Damn you. #yum install gvv. THINKING PARSING UPDATING DOWNLOADING IS THIS OK?!? Y/N Y OK INSTALLING... UPDATING.... done.
I could have mailed away for a copy.
That "check for updates" step takes way to long, and it does it even on searches (what? search from cache, dumbass) - search, search, no packages found is annoying.
But, moreso, that update/upgrade step is crucial for several reasons. If you don't want to update, for instance. I can think of several reasons why you'd not want to - chiefly being you don't want to go to a different version of c libraries or something. If you update your package repository, you'll run the risk of having stuff on your system that's compiled with a number of different libraries, etc.
But, seriously. F_UNROLL_LOOPS jokes aside, use emerge sometime. It is truely what a package management system should be.
Thank you for not flaming me; you're the first person in this thread who has tried to rationally explain your POV to me, and I appreciate it.
I dunno, I just feel that if OpenSSH is so trivial that it's just lumped in with whatever everyone else does, it shouldn't be on display as the critical patient in need of a cash transfusion. And if it is in critical need of a cash transfusion, or no more OpenSSH, then they should be willing to separate the two business entities.
You see what I'm saying? They're holding up OpenSSH as a strawman to endorse their false dichotemy - "Either donate money to OpenBSD, or there will be no more OpenSSH".
It's like a homeless guy with a puppy and a knife at the puppy's throat. "I'm HUNGRY. Give me money, or the puppy will DIE!". Um, couldn't we just save the puppy? I mean, giving money to a homeless guy is a good deed (tm), but I don't like being coerced by the threat of puppy mutilation.
I wish you, and everyone else here, would stop putting words in my mouth. I am relatively free with my money; on my last tax return, my wife and I used the turbotax deduction software and added up all that we had donated to various charities in the past year; it was over $2000 on a gross income of around $40,000, with a net far less than that due to child/daycare.
In the past, I have donated or purchased overpriced products from (the difference works out to the same as a donation) gentoo, redhat, mandrake, freebsd, and others.
I don't see how much clearer I could have been when I stated my point, though. I don't care about OpenBSD. BUT, I DO care about OpenSSH. Unfortunately, OpenSSH is only a small part of OpenBSD, and therefore, any money that I give to OpenBSD will only trickle down to OpenSSH (perhaps what, 5%?).
And I don't only use OpenSSH on i386, at work here we use it on Alpha / True64, Solaris 64bit, Mac/PPC, and x86. Not to mention, I have an SSH client on my Cellphone (god knows if there's any OpenSSH code in that). BUT even if I did only use it on x86, I'd still donate, because the money is going to someone who will look at the OpenSSH code.
The pothole analogy is a terrible one. Better would be this: Of all taxes collected locally to fund the War in Iraq, 5% will go towards fixing the roads in my town. There is no other mechanism for fixing the potholes other than to raise taxes specifically for funding the Iraq war. All I want are my potholes fixed. Should I vote to raise taxes?
But, even as such, analogies are dumb anyway. It's not hard to comprehend what I am saying. If OpenSSH was really in trouble, I'd gladly kick in $10 to save it. But, I'm not going to kick $10 to OpenBSD when I don't care about it and only $0.50 is going to do anything for OpenSSH.
It all boils down to this: It's my money. I'm greatful that the OpenBSD team has given the world OpenSSH. I'm annoyed that they're trying to use the OpenSSH tail to wag the OpenBSD dog. Therefore, until there's some way to donate directly to the developmers who maintain OpenSSH, I won't consider giving.
If such a guaranteed mechanism does exist, though, let me know and I will match your donation up to $50, and eat ramen at work for 2 weeks.
Maybe the openBSD & openSSH projects should seperate?
This is exactly the first thing I thought when I read this story. It sounds like the developers are yelling: "OH NOES, OPENSSH IS DYING, WE NEED MONEY!!!!11", and then honest people, who want to support openssh, ask "How can I support OpenSSH?". The answer given is "Give money to OpenBSD."
To me, that's unacceptable. It's classic bait-and-switch. I use OpenSSH every day of my life and if you count scripts and cronjobs, probably every hour of my life. But I could give a shit about OpenBSD. So, while I'd be willing to help OpenSSH out, I want to know that my money is being spent on OpenSSH. I don't want the overhead going to OpenBSD. There, I admit it - I expect something in return for the money I donate - it's my money so sue me.
You want to get support for OpenSSH? Fork off the legal entity and make an OpenSSH foundation which can accept donations directly. We're not going to solve your OpenBSD problems for you, though.
I have email (both pop3 and imap clients), as well as text messaging, AIM, web browsing, and an ssh/telnet client, so if I really wanted (and I have before) I can log in and read my mail with pine.
Suse I actually used for the first time today; and I was immediately annoyed by their package management system (the system I was working on didn't have rsync (the command, not the server) installed, and I ended up compiling from source).
But, I have used Mandriva. In fact, I used to mirror the/current/ version at http://mirror.cs.vt.edu/ which I administer. Lately, though... I really don't like the Mandriva philosophy, I don't like the way their website deceptively tries to get you to buy the distro by hiding the free stuff (it's not the paying, it's the deception), and I don't like what they've done with their guy that they fired earlier this week.
Aside from that, though, Mandriva is a CLUNKY server. There are hardly any administration tools, and the package management sucks.
Trust me, I've used all the major ones. RedHat is the best of an odd bunch; it seems suited to do all the tasks I need it to do.
Still, though. God, when will they make yum not suck. All I want is a package management system that works like "emerge". Blah blah funrollloops gentoo etc, but NOTHING rivals emerge for ease of use and availability of packages, except maybe apt-get, and I'm still not sure on that count.
Example: emerge ghostview. Emerge says: OK, here are the packages I need to merge. No problem.
#yum install ghostview. THINKING PARSING THINKING UPDATING THINKING 5 minutes later NO matching packages, nothing to do. Crap. #Yum search ghostview. Oh!!! Here's ELEVENTY BILLION DIFFERENT PACKAGES FOR GHOSTVIEW, NONE OF WHICH ARE ACTUALLY THE PROGRAM. Goddamnit. #yum info ghostview. No matching packages. --Google ghostview. Package is called gv. Oh, that explains it. No problem. #yum install gv. THINKING PARSING THINKING UPDATING 52 of 72812 files parsex UPDATING REPOSITORY.XML 5 minutes later No matching packages. wtf. #yum search gv. Shipboard computer Eddie: HERE YOU GO BUDDY, HERE'S EVERY PACKAGE ON THE PLANET WITH THE LETTERS G AND V NEXT TO EACH OTHER IN THE PACKAGE NAME OR DESCRIPTION. Thanks. #yum info gv. Package gvv not installed. Damn you. #yum install gvv. THINKING PARSING UPDATING DOWNLOADING IS THIS OK?!? Y/N Y OK INSTALLING... UPDATING.... done.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_strange_units _of_measurement#Rods_to_the_Hogshead
"Wholly Owned Subsidiary"
Separate legal entity. Intel may be pissed off about it, but Dell is still Dell, and Alienware was using AMD processors anyway; no one gained or lost any ground in marketshare.
~W
Ok, Ok, I know dell buys it from someone else, like they buy their fibrechannel SANs from EMC... but, we just bought one of these for the Computer Science department at Virginia Tech. Without the additional library component, it's i think 5U's, and holds 20 or 24 tapes. We are using 400GB/800GB LTO-type tapes. We back up to a gateway SAS (Scsi Attached Storage) array (it's slick - 2U, 12x500GB SATA drives, SCSI320 interfaces in back, manages all raid onboard), and flush from there to tape. We bought 75 tapes, so in theory that's 60TB of storage.
The machine its self keeps track of the tapes - it comes with a set of stick on / color coded bar codes, and it scans the tapes you pop in with a barcode reader.
It's cool. It may not be enough for your setup, but it was only like $50k for the autoloader and tapes.
~W
Yeah, I want to know how fast that is in Libraries-Of-Congress-per-second.
That post was illogical.
To me, writing things down (and trust me, with a history degree, I did plenty of it) helped me to remember it. I think it was the multiple stimulus - I heard the data, I physically did something with the data (the motion of the pen), and I saw it (after I wrote it).
Taking all that in I think helped me quite a bit. I have a pretty good memory with things that I have taken good notes on, to the point that if I read my notes, I can recal with pretty good detail the character and inflection of the professor's voice. Just reading the text and my notes was usually enough study preparation for me; but I usually prepared outlines for essay questions and things anyway. And Yes, I actually would rather take an essay test than a MC one (and have, when given the choice).
Not to say I did this all the time, writing every word that was said - I had to figure out for myself what was important for me to remember.
~Will
Especially in the sciences?!? Try taking a Byzantine Empire focused history class sometime!
Most social sciences don't coddle you into reading the lecture material before class; you either figure it out, or you're sunk to the C range. I can't tell you how many times it made things easier on me to pour over the textbooks and source material ahead of time, so that I could acutally *learn* in class.
remind them there's a actual world outside Cyberspace.
LIAR!
The daystar! It BURNS us!
I agree 100% that communities should determine what is and isn't acceptable in their little part of the world.
And I disagree. Probably not 100%, but
I'm not saying that doing this will kick us back into Jim Crow laws, but... it's a step in the wrong direction. One Unified Country, please. Not "most of us" and "the prudes in the south and Utah".
~Will
Thank you, I was going to point out that according to Thomas Malthus' explanation of carrying capacity, a species does not ease up comfortably to the carrying capacity as a limit graph would show; the species will grossly overshoot the carying capacity of the environment it lives in, and will die off rapidly, dip under the carying capacity, flourish, and overshoot it again. The real graph depiction is something approaching an oscilating sine wave, where as time increases, the modulation decreases, but is ever present.
That's what we're steaming head on for.
It's thanks to the works of people like Norman Borlaug that we are even where we are today. A supremely intelligent geneticist, he actually had the conviction in his ideas to step out of the comfort of a lab and move his family to mexico, where he doubled wheat production of the country in just a few years. He did it again in India, and again with rice production in Asia.
In Penn and Teller: Bullshit!, Borlaug refutes the claims of green activists who claim that genetically engineered crops are going to ruin the world and poison the food. He says that's easy to say when you're not hungry, but without GE crops, we've only got enough food to feed 4 billion people, and I don't see 2 billion volunteers to dissappear. And he's right - If we're going to have the population, we're going to have to feed them. It's estimated by some that Norman Borlaug has saved the lives of over a billion (carl sagan with a "B" billion) people. Greatest human being ever, indeed.
~Will
I'd even say Solaris is Bluegrass.
When it's done right, it's awe inspiring. But, goddamn, is it more complex than it needs to be.
~W
Untested, but in theory you should be able to upgrade from 4.2 via:
rpm -Uvh http://mirror.cs.vt.edu/pub/CentOS/4.3/os/i386/Ce
yum -y upgrade
reboot
Don't blame me. Should work, no guarantees.
~Will
(screwed up the parent post, i meant yum and not rpm in the 2nd bit)
(fixed link, i think i got it this time)
Untested, but in theory you should be able to upgrade from 4.2 via:
rpm -Uvh http://mirror.cs.vt.edu/pub/CentOS/4.3/os/i386/Ce
yum -y upgrade
reboot
Don't blame me. Should work, no guarantees.
~Will
(screwed up the parent post, i meant yum and not rpm in the 2nd bit)
Untested, but in theory you should be able to upgrade from 4.2 via:
rpm -Uvh http://mirror.cs.vt.edu/pub/CentOS/4.3/os/i386/Ce
rpm -y upgrade
reboot
Don't blame me. Should work, no guarantees.
~Will
Speaking of updates: http://mirror.cs.vt.edu/ - updates 4x per day, 622 mbits.
Yay, I run an official CentOS mirror.
~Will
Agreed. You're right, and you point out things that I forget about emerge.
~Will
$50,000?!? That's enough to fund 2 green card graduate students for 5 years EACH!!
Careless with money...
Yum has its problems.
#yum install ghostview. THINKING PARSING THINKING UPDATING THINKING 5 minutes later NO matching packages, nothing to do. Crap.
#Yum search ghostview. Oh!!! Here's ELEVENTY BILLION DIFFERENT PACKAGES FOR GHOSTVIEW, NONE OF WHICH ARE ACTUALLY THE PROGRAM. Goddamnit.
#yum info ghostview. No matching packages.
--Google ghostview. Package is called gv. Oh, that explains it. No problem.
#yum install gv. THINKING PARSING THINKING UPDATING 52 of 72812 files parsex UPDATING REPOSITORY.XML 5 minutes later No matching packages. wtf.
#yum search gv. Shipboard computer Eddie: HERE YOU GO BUDDY, HERE'S EVERY PACKAGE ON THE PLANET WITH THE LETTERS G AND V NEXT TO EACH OTHER IN THE PACKAGE NAME OR DESCRIPTION. Thanks.
#yum info gv. Package gvv not installed. Damn you.
#yum install gvv. THINKING PARSING UPDATING DOWNLOADING IS THIS OK?!? Y/N Y OK INSTALLING... UPDATING.... done.
I could have mailed away for a copy.
That "check for updates" step takes way to long, and it does it even on searches (what? search from cache, dumbass) - search, search, no packages found is annoying.
But, moreso, that update/upgrade step is crucial for several reasons. If you don't want to update, for instance. I can think of several reasons why you'd not want to - chiefly being you don't want to go to a different version of c libraries or something. If you update your package repository, you'll run the risk of having stuff on your system that's compiled with a number of different libraries, etc.
But, seriously. F_UNROLL_LOOPS jokes aside, use emerge sometime. It is truely what a package management system should be.
~Will
Thank you for not flaming me; you're the first person in this thread who has tried to rationally explain your POV to me, and I appreciate it.
I dunno, I just feel that if OpenSSH is so trivial that it's just lumped in with whatever everyone else does, it shouldn't be on display as the critical patient in need of a cash transfusion. And if it is in critical need of a cash transfusion, or no more OpenSSH, then they should be willing to separate the two business entities.
You see what I'm saying? They're holding up OpenSSH as a strawman to endorse their false dichotemy - "Either donate money to OpenBSD, or there will be no more OpenSSH".
It's like a homeless guy with a puppy and a knife at the puppy's throat. "I'm HUNGRY. Give me money, or the puppy will DIE!". Um, couldn't we just save the puppy? I mean, giving money to a homeless guy is a good deed (tm), but I don't like being coerced by the threat of puppy mutilation.
See? Does that make sense?
~W
I wish you, and everyone else here, would stop putting words in my mouth. I am relatively free with my money; on my last tax return, my wife and I used the turbotax deduction software and added up all that we had donated to various charities in the past year; it was over $2000 on a gross income of around $40,000, with a net far less than that due to child/daycare.
In the past, I have donated or purchased overpriced products from (the difference works out to the same as a donation) gentoo, redhat, mandrake, freebsd, and others.
I don't see how much clearer I could have been when I stated my point, though. I don't care about OpenBSD. BUT, I DO care about OpenSSH. Unfortunately, OpenSSH is only a small part of OpenBSD, and therefore, any money that I give to OpenBSD will only trickle down to OpenSSH (perhaps what, 5%?).
And I don't only use OpenSSH on i386, at work here we use it on Alpha / True64, Solaris 64bit, Mac/PPC, and x86. Not to mention, I have an SSH client on my Cellphone (god knows if there's any OpenSSH code in that). BUT even if I did only use it on x86, I'd still donate, because the money is going to someone who will look at the OpenSSH code.
The pothole analogy is a terrible one. Better would be this: Of all taxes collected locally to fund the War in Iraq, 5% will go towards fixing the roads in my town. There is no other mechanism for fixing the potholes other than to raise taxes specifically for funding the Iraq war. All I want are my potholes fixed. Should I vote to raise taxes?
But, even as such, analogies are dumb anyway. It's not hard to comprehend what I am saying. If OpenSSH was really in trouble, I'd gladly kick in $10 to save it. But, I'm not going to kick $10 to OpenBSD when I don't care about it and only $0.50 is going to do anything for OpenSSH.
It all boils down to this: It's my money. I'm greatful that the OpenBSD team has given the world OpenSSH. I'm annoyed that they're trying to use the OpenSSH tail to wag the OpenBSD dog. Therefore, until there's some way to donate directly to the developmers who maintain OpenSSH, I won't consider giving.
If such a guaranteed mechanism does exist, though, let me know and I will match your donation up to $50, and eat ramen at work for 2 weeks.
~Will
Maybe the openBSD & openSSH projects should seperate?
This is exactly the first thing I thought when I read this story. It sounds like the developers are yelling: "OH NOES, OPENSSH IS DYING, WE NEED MONEY!!!!11", and then honest people, who want to support openssh, ask "How can I support OpenSSH?". The answer given is "Give money to OpenBSD."
To me, that's unacceptable. It's classic bait-and-switch. I use OpenSSH every day of my life and if you count scripts and cronjobs, probably every hour of my life. But I could give a shit about OpenBSD. So, while I'd be willing to help OpenSSH out, I want to know that my money is being spent on OpenSSH. I don't want the overhead going to OpenBSD. There, I admit it - I expect something in return for the money I donate - it's my money so sue me.
You want to get support for OpenSSH? Fork off the legal entity and make an OpenSSH foundation which can accept donations directly. We're not going to solve your OpenBSD problems for you, though.
~Will
Dude.
Get a sidekick II.
I have email (both pop3 and imap clients), as well as text messaging, AIM, web browsing, and an ssh/telnet client, so if I really wanted (and I have before) I can log in and read my mail with pine.
Plus, qwerty keyboard and big screen.
~W
Ooh, it's tuesday, American Idol is on. I hope that chicken little Kevin guy gets voted off... he sucks. Paris rules, though.
Suse I actually used for the first time today; and I was immediately annoyed by their package management system (the system I was working on didn't have rsync (the command, not the server) installed, and I ended up compiling from source).
But, I have used Mandriva. In fact, I used to mirror the
Aside from that, though, Mandriva is a CLUNKY server. There are hardly any administration tools, and the package management sucks.
Trust me, I've used all the major ones. RedHat is the best of an odd bunch; it seems suited to do all the tasks I need it to do.
Still, though. God, when will they make yum not suck. All I want is a package management system that works like "emerge". Blah blah funrollloops gentoo etc, but NOTHING rivals emerge for ease of use and availability of packages, except maybe apt-get, and I'm still not sure on that count.
Example:
emerge ghostview. Emerge says: OK, here are the packages I need to merge. No problem.
#yum install ghostview. THINKING PARSING THINKING UPDATING THINKING 5 minutes later NO matching packages, nothing to do. Crap.
#Yum search ghostview. Oh!!! Here's ELEVENTY BILLION DIFFERENT PACKAGES FOR GHOSTVIEW, NONE OF WHICH ARE ACTUALLY THE PROGRAM. Goddamnit.
#yum info ghostview. No matching packages.
--Google ghostview. Package is called gv. Oh, that explains it. No problem.
#yum install gv. THINKING PARSING THINKING UPDATING 52 of 72812 files parsex UPDATING REPOSITORY.XML 5 minutes later No matching packages. wtf.
#yum search gv. Shipboard computer Eddie: HERE YOU GO BUDDY, HERE'S EVERY PACKAGE ON THE PLANET WITH THE LETTERS G AND V NEXT TO EACH OTHER IN THE PACKAGE NAME OR DESCRIPTION. Thanks.
#yum info gv. Package gvv not installed. Damn you.
#yum install gvv. THINKING PARSING UPDATING DOWNLOADING IS THIS OK?!? Y/N Y OK INSTALLING... UPDATING.... done.
I could have mailed away for a copy.
~Will
I don't actually run that one, it's run by the computing center. I'm not sure why they don't mirror the DVDs, I'll ask.