This is really cool. I used to think it was just another Open Source project where someone creates a SourceForge website and then abandons it two months later after no code is written.
Hey, I resemble that remark. I'm just waiting for a time machine to take me back to 1999 so I can find a Mac to recompile that extension on. Really...
No actually I have a new version of a few of my toolkits in use at the office, but they are not in a presentable shape for public consumption. Hell, my last version was pirated by some guy's Doctoral Thesis, and if I had one more request to recompile the software for later versions of Tcl on the Mac I was going to scream. I don't even own a Mac anymore! The source code is right there, with the Metrowerks Build files.
Hey, how about you just open a copy of Tcl 8.0, and use a sockets interface to talk to your new program?
I did have a few kind souls who did submit some patches. But for every contributer there was a high maintenance user who didn't want to believe that his platform was stuck in time.
...but I always thought it excelled as the bright kid who frankly didn't care about grades. Now it's going for MilSpec certifications and benchmarks.
I don't know what I'm going to do now. When I tell poeple my server run Linux they don't look at me like some granola head. I'm actually starting to see Linux showing up on Intern's resume along side Microsoft Word and Excel as computer experience.
It getting to be cool, and I've never been cool before. I backed apple back in '94. I had a PC when everyone had a C64. Could it be, that for a shining moment in time, I could actually be doing something that the rest of the world considers cool?
Well for that matter, what beyond a word processor can you install without an inimate knowledge of your network topology, hardware driver, and business methods?
Folks there is a whole realm of software beyond Microsoft Office. Hell, even my "PC Compadible" games require tweaking to exploit my graphics card.
Users want things that work like coffee machines. You plug it in and it works. If you want a different coffee machine, you get a different coffee machine and plug it in and it works. Windows makes computers a lot more like coffee machines than Linux does...
I don't agree. Firstly, I doubt you have ever seen a typical user operate a coffee machine. They never get the mix right, folks will forget to grind the beans, put in too much water, or forget to put in any water at all. (Well, at least until the Fire Department arrives.) People don't put the filters in, there are a number of failure modes for your everyday coffee pot.
Secondly, to the average user for Linux they have:
A login screen
A start menu
An icon on their desk to put files in
A set of icons in the menu and on the desktop to open all of the programs they need.
Windows gives you the whole damn computer at your finger tips. When acclimating a new user, the first thing I have to tell them is: ignore this icon, that folder, this message window, and don't save files here here here here or here.
Now mind you, this is a corporate work environment. We have a team of entirely undertrained overworked people who don't know a thing about linux. I gave them a disk that boots the computer off the network, runs through an automated install sequence, and 20 minutes later you have a working computer.
Acutually it's not that simple. You have analog phones, digital phones, VOIP phones. They all use roughly the same wiring, and unless you know what you are looking for they are very hard to tell apart.
And if you plug the wrong phone into the wrong phone system, you are going to blow out either the phone or the local phone switch. Hell, there are even a few flavors of Analog phone depending on what part of the world you are in.
Now let's assume that we are only dealing with analog phones designed for our ubiquitous american AT&T network. (Yes folks, the reason every phone system in the US in compadible has everything to do with the Bell monopoly.) Is it a pulse or tone line? It is even connected? Is it actually a DSL?
Nope. as a phone/network guy who works in a very old building, I would say your chances of plugging a phone into a jack in the next room and having it working are more like 25%.
I do hear you on the billing issue though. I'm a Verizon customer and some days I wish they would just loose the pretenses and simply charge me more.
Granted, the point I should have been trying to make is that Processors are not all things to all applications.
The fact that you CAN drop all of those functions into a giant coffee heater in the center of the board, doesn't make it a great idea. That is, unless you also include the RAM (like IBM mainframes do.) And even then, if you have a highly I/O based application, you really don't need a beefy CPU. You just need a traffic cop to watch the bus.
I don't know about that. When I was in College, Windows was so laughable on operating system that many colleges (including mine) REQUIRED you to buy a Macintosh.
My school (Drexel) went over to the dark side in '96 after Microsoft basically gave Windows NT and Office away to everyone on campus. Predatory priceing? No, not at all.
Gentoo uses a python script to download the source and install. No instant graftication, but man it sure beats a crufted RPM database.
I actually know a lot of Apple sysadmins. I was the last class at Drexel that had to buy Macintoshes. (Before that I abused my poor parents' 386. They never knew what new device driver was going to pop up and explode.)
I personally gave Macs up after using my 7100 to install MK-Linux. It so took me back to the old school that I never looked back. Besides, there is a very subversive satisfaction achieved with finally getting an OS prompt on a Mac. Muhahahaa.
Anyway my Mac friends are trying to get me to switch back. They LOVE the new BSD core on Macs. Now how many of you out there would have believed that hard-core Mac users would be busting root and installing Apache, let alone on Apple hardware?
Reminds me of the time I had a RAID-1 with 2 caviar drives. Both went at the same time, taking my entire data center with it.
Now I lucked out, I had a tape backup that I had made 2 days before, completely out of character for me.
Now of course I have also had backup tapes fail. That's never fun. At least I've stopped using home brewed IDE RAID's and shell scripts. I drank the Kool-Aid and installed Veritas on a Win2k machine, which is backing up a 100GB SCSI array on a hardware RAID card. A bitch to set up, but my H1-B assistant can even run it.
At least when she remembers to format the tapes first.
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No need for special flags for your idiot trainee to delete the whole filesystem either.
So if everything is replaced with database calls, /R C:/*.*
DELTREE
or
rm -rf /
Will be replaced by the much simpler
DELETE FROM FILESYSTEM
No need for extra arguments when you desire 100% compression.
At that point the disadvantage to running WINE or Win4Lin would be what?
Hey, I resemble that remark. I'm just waiting for a time machine to take me back to 1999 so I can find a Mac to recompile that extension on. Really...
No actually I have a new version of a few of my toolkits in use at the office, but they are not in a presentable shape for public consumption. Hell, my last version was pirated by some guy's Doctoral Thesis, and if I had one more request to recompile the software for later versions of Tcl on the Mac I was going to scream. I don't even own a Mac anymore! The source code is right there, with the Metrowerks Build files.
Hey, how about you just open a copy of Tcl 8.0, and use a sockets interface to talk to your new program?
I did have a few kind souls who did submit some patches. But for every contributer there was a high maintenance user who didn't want to believe that his platform was stuck in time.
Mind if we call it Bruce, just to avoid the confusion?
But didn't you get the memo?
I don't know what I'm going to do now. When I tell poeple my server run Linux they don't look at me like some granola head. I'm actually starting to see Linux showing up on Intern's resume along side Microsoft Word and Excel as computer experience.
It getting to be cool, and I've never been cool before. I backed apple back in '94. I had a PC when everyone had a C64. Could it be, that for a shining moment in time, I could actually be doing something that the rest of the world considers cool?
Nah, back in your box Skippy.
(With apologies to Office Space)
I just keep thinking back to the book 1984 where more was less.
Absolutely. Man pages have every bit as much to contribute to the conversation as Woman pages.
Hey, Linus is VERY sensitive about the pining for the Fjords line!
Folks there is a whole realm of software beyond Microsoft Office. Hell, even my "PC Compadible" games require tweaking to exploit my graphics card.
...the software pirates YOU.
I don't agree. Firstly, I doubt you have ever seen a typical user operate a coffee machine. They never get the mix right, folks will forget to grind the beans, put in too much water, or forget to put in any water at all. (Well, at least until the Fire Department arrives.) People don't put the filters in, there are a number of failure modes for your everyday coffee pot.
Secondly, to the average user for Linux they have:
Windows gives you the whole damn computer at your finger tips. When acclimating a new user, the first thing I have to tell them is: ignore this icon, that folder, this message window, and don't save files here here here here or here.
Now mind you, this is a corporate work environment. We have a team of entirely undertrained overworked people who don't know a thing about linux. I gave them a disk that boots the computer off the network, runs through an automated install sequence, and 20 minutes later you have a working computer.
Nothing like that exists for Windows.
My wife's hotter anyway. And oddly enough, technically savvier. Maybe that's why she's so hot?
But then again, she's taken. So that would just be rubbing salt into the wound, wouldn't it?
the computer distrusts YOU.
Though their track record so far seems to indicate the last one is a dotted line that is invisible on printouts...
And if you plug the wrong phone into the wrong phone system, you are going to blow out either the phone or the local phone switch. Hell, there are even a few flavors of Analog phone depending on what part of the world you are in.
Now let's assume that we are only dealing with analog phones designed for our ubiquitous american AT&T network. (Yes folks, the reason every phone system in the US in compadible has everything to do with the Bell monopoly.) Is it a pulse or tone line? It is even connected? Is it actually a DSL?
Nope. as a phone/network guy who works in a very old building, I would say your chances of plugging a phone into a jack in the next room and having it working are more like 25%.
I do hear you on the billing issue though. I'm a Verizon customer and some days I wish they would just loose the pretenses and simply charge me more.
Does my wife count?
...First Host.
The fact that you CAN drop all of those functions into a giant coffee heater in the center of the board, doesn't make it a great idea. That is, unless you also include the RAM (like IBM mainframes do.) And even then, if you have a highly I/O based application, you really don't need a beefy CPU. You just need a traffic cop to watch the bus.
My school (Drexel) went over to the dark side in '96 after Microsoft basically gave Windows NT and Office away to everyone on campus. Predatory priceing? No, not at all.
I actually know a lot of Apple sysadmins. I was the last class at Drexel that had to buy Macintoshes. (Before that I abused my poor parents' 386. They never knew what new device driver was going to pop up and explode.)
I personally gave Macs up after using my 7100 to install MK-Linux. It so took me back to the old school that I never looked back. Besides, there is a very subversive satisfaction achieved with finally getting an OS prompt on a Mac. Muhahahaa.
Anyway my Mac friends are trying to get me to switch back. They LOVE the new BSD core on Macs. Now how many of you out there would have believed that hard-core Mac users would be busting root and installing Apache, let alone on Apple hardware?
Now I lucked out, I had a tape backup that I had made 2 days before, completely out of character for me.
Now of course I have also had backup tapes fail. That's never fun. At least I've stopped using home brewed IDE RAID's and shell scripts. I drank the Kool-Aid and installed Veritas on a Win2k machine, which is backing up a 100GB SCSI array on a hardware RAID card. A bitch to set up, but my H1-B assistant can even run it.
At least when she remembers to format the tapes first.