ASUS has recently released an SDK for these. It may be better and easier to install that on a larger machine and just transfer over compiled packages and install them. Also, I don't recommend this procedure for everyone but I got away with chucking in a source line for Debian Etch and did an "apt-get upgrade" NOT "dist-upgrade". This works well because the Xandros loaded on the unit is based on Etch. So anything I want now can be built on one of my Etch machines and installed easily. Basically as long as the KDE, QT libs, and any package that has "xandros" in the name is untouched, you can install anything built for Etch that you want.
With a little fiddling, I also got OpenOffice 2.4, Acrobat Reader 8.1.2, and replaced Thunderbird with a FirstClass groupware client. And I'm still able to use all of that with the "Easy" interface.
Um...no. You had only to install it with a Xubuntu CD rather than an Ubuntu CD and you would have got a lightweight desktop out of the box. Choosing to download and burn a different iso isn't a big stretch especially since you seem aware of "lighter window managers".
Would it be such a horrible thing for them to go crazy and put a full $25's worth of 2GB of RAM in an Eee?
This category of device already costs too much. The EEE PC 2G Surf isn't really customizable due to the fact that the included load of software barely fits leaving maybe 200MB left for storage without adding a USB drive or a flash card. That unit starts at $300. The more usable 4G model costs $400. The problem here is that low end laptops with bigger screens and hard drive storage can be had $450 if one shops and for $500-$550 typically.
Blinging them out with RAM and bigger screens to run XP acceptably just makes them compete with the low end traditional laptops. I want to see ultra cheap portables in the $150 to $200 range. I bet they're coming too and MS is going to have to scramble if they want to compete on the coming devices.
If using an nvidia or ATI card just be sure that the "linux-restricted-modules" for that kernel gets installed as well and you can get those ten minutes back.
Unless the first two use ultra strange chipsets they should be handled by standard OHCI/UHCI/ECHI drivers and USB HID drivers. I've had four port USB PCI cards work with no hassles whatsover. As for your player I couldn't tell you although I have used iPods, music players that mount as USB storage devices, and one of those oddball Creative players that insist on WMP9 to update the firmware with Linux. Admittedly, I didn't update that firmware with Linux but then downgrading from WMP11 to WMP9 just to admin a player wasn't exactly the height of user friendly.
I wouldn't buy a player that requires some weirdo Windows only software to work but then that is just me. My experience with 5 or 6 random MP3 players in the past couple of years leads me to believe that I could at least move music on and and off the player with Linux which is all I really care about. I'd expect to be able to fully control everything else on the player itself.
I've played with and like a 4G EEE PC. The problem is that at $400 it costs about $200 dollars too much to be what you're wanting it to be. Laptops with full size screens start and more than 20GB storage start at $450 if you really bargain hunt.
The OPLC as originally envisioned is much closer but that project has some strange blindsides. I've seen K12s in the US willing to give it a real shot but they are so stuck on their vision of "pure philanthropy" that they damage the very cause they want to promote and won't make them more generally available. A million or so of these things being bought by First World educational institutions (which can be quite cash strapped themselves!) would kickstart the economy of scale and get the price a lot damn closer to the $100 they were talking about in the first place.....which they could then turn around and provide to those classrooms in developing economies.
I believe that the $200 and even the $100 dollar laptop is coming but the market and economy of scale needed to make that happen is just getting started and Linux will be a real force on them. However, it Windows 7 turns out to be what it is cracked up to be then we may see a leaner modular Windows on them as well.
The "pop scientist" role is probably most fairly applied to someone like Issac Asimov. He was scientifically trained in biology and chemistry but made no real mark on either science although he was an outstanding explainer of both of those and many other things. I believe the "real scientists" are being incredibly short-sighted when they disparage the efforts of good popularizers. The "real scientists" need funding to carry out their work and new generations of students to train. They will have neither from a society that is ignorant or even scornful of science.
It doesn't preclude creating an OS monopoly but Jobs' particular variety of control freakery does. MS supplied the OS for a universe of third-party hardware and imperfectly smoothed over the differences between audio from this vendor and video from that and so on. MS' model is or at least was to be Good Enough on a massive scale and beat a little bit of change from everybody. Jobs on the other hand wants control of the entire experience from firmware boot to Desktop and wants make a hefty chunk on every purchase.
Kids will make do with whatever you give them. I've found that once most adults over the age of 24 or so are trained on something Baby Duck Syndrome sets in and anything different than what they're used to is automatically perceived as difficult junk. It matters little whether what they're trained on Windows, Mac, Linux or whatever. Once used to something, most simply aren't willing to learn something else unless put under the gun to do so.
I find the reverse happens when I need to repair and maintain things that have been deployed.
First example since you brought up Exchange. I have to care and feed for an Exchange 2000 setup. Everyone was complaining that it was slow and freezing up on them. Turns out that when old users are deleted that the data is still around. You have to take the service offline and run a command line (I've had Windows fanboys beat me over the head for this so here it is right back....) utility to "defrag" the database which perhaps it does but it also prunes out the 5 or 6 gigs worth of not-really-deleted-data. An Exchange datastore is also prone to the old fashioned sort of ntfs fragmentation too. To get that defragged meant shutting down the service, moving the database files to another volume, defragging the disk for real and moving them back. I have also found archiving old users prior to removal to be a PITA as well. I also found configuring to use a smarthost more painful than it had to be. Perhaps there are better ways of handling these issues but they aren't easy to find out about. I'll re-iterate that I've heard a lot of crap from fanboys that simplicity is a major reason to go with Windows. There is more than one kind of simplicity and Windows severely lacks in many of them.
On the other hand, I had FirstClass running on a Linux server for over a year and had a power failure take the box down. An initrd image wasn't correctly installed during a kernel upgrade and it didn't boot back up. It took me about 10 minutes to fix it with a Knoppix disk. I've had very little luck with Windows machines that won't make it into at least Safe Mode which belongs to an equivalent class of hoseups.
I've generally found that services don't frequently go astray if deployed on Linux and tend to be easy to repair if they do. I'll take a little configuration pain to get that.
Now MS is making the same mistake, leaving their products off of Linux, giving the competition a safe haven to gather strength.
That is quite the large point. If Linux/UNIX users are ignored and what you provide is seen as essential then the Linux/UNIX community will do for themselves what you aren't doing for them. What makes this troublesome is that well polished UNIX apps have a tendency to be ported to Windows and then become popular. So there you are enjoying the hell out of monopoly rents for your apps when a reasonably functional and free replacement for it pops seemingly out of nowhere. Firefox and soon WebKit browsers are doing it to IE. OpenOffice is doing it to Office in many markets. Spare me the rant about how this or that is better in office. The point that it is seeing large deployments nonetheless. That brings up a related point that MS used to understand but has apparently forgotten.
As a young scrappy company, MS provided alternatives that while not as fully featured and maybe even downright clunky were Good Enough. They also served markets that IBM and the other big IT firms couldn't be fussed with. Companies like MS and Adobe forget this at the their peril.
I've been messing about with a 4G EEE which cost a bit under $400. The thing is, full size laptops with optical drives and 1024x768 screens start at $550 so I don't ultimately find the EEE very interesting at the moment. What I WOULD find interesting is a machine at $200 or less with a 2G EEE's level of capability. Basically, give me the keyboard, trackpad, ability to surf web, play movies, play audio, and open documents over a network. If I want anything more then I'll pay more.
The EEE started great but they are moving in the direction of blinging them out more. I suppose this is to make them XP or even Vista capable. Again, that is what full size laptops are for. Give me a cheap Internet/Media/Document access machine and volume price it so that I can splatter classrooms with them.
It sounds much more like the Landover Baptist Church. On a good day, they'll get you three or four paragraphs in before finally making it obvious they aren't serious.
I have to give her props for "Get away from her you BITCH!". I was in a theatre for that and everybody cheered. 'Course this was in the pre-cell phone days........
I could give a flying fuck what the official definition of recession is. My food and fuel bills going way the hell up isn't media alarmism. My rent being jacked to cover defaulted mortgages in other parts of the real estate business that owns my apartment isn't an illusion either. The cutting back on non-essentials I'm doing as a direct result of all of this doesn't have doodly squat to do with the media either. Recession or not, one hell of a lot of us have are feeling poorer and spending less as a result and THAT WILL cause a recession. This is all a very real effect of rising oil prices that aren't EVER coming back down. If there isn't real leadership on that then I'll have to agree with you that "recession" won't be the right word. "Depression" on the other hand.....
And no, those naughty media pundits didn't talk all the cheap oil away either.
True but if that temporarily elevated account needs to access something on a network share then prepare for pain. It also does not solve the problem of essential applications that won't run correctly without admin rights. It makes securing Windows in a network environment a bad painful joke.
I won't burden you with how great Linux is but I can tell you that after having several people bring several Virtualmonde-r00t3d Windows boxes to me that I have absolutely no patience for a rude rant from a Windows fanboi.
5 years ago a machine with those specs wouldn't fit in a coat pocket and cost less than $400. In another year or two, they will fit in a shirt pocket. If I want an inexpensive compact machine that will do internet and document access with decent battery life, Vista is a non-starter.
I have SEVERE doubts about there ever being a decent movie made from Dune.
1. Lynch movie: Got the look and characters right but did severe damage to the themes and story of the book.
2. Sci-Fi miniseries: Far more true to the themes and story but the look and casting were all wrong and nasty alterations were made to Paul as a young Duke in training. Paul was shown as a basically a whiny privileged brat who outgrows when it called upon to be a man. That always makes for a nice story but it isn't the young Paul Atreides. The Baron Harkonnen was also far too benign looking. What part of "gross and ugly" and "so fat he had to carry his excess weight with suspensors" did these guys have trouble understanding? That and he wasn't nearly diabolical enough. We didn't get The Baron. We got a prissy Adonis wannabe with delusions of being sinister. Similar atrocities were performed on the other characters.
It is also a certainty that the story will be severely dumbed down if this is to be a big budget film. I don't at all disagree with avoiding things like "thought vocalization" but this will be competing with Mission Impossible 7, Fantastic 4 Four, and other tripe with big money, lots of explosions, and no brains. I can't see any resisting the pressure to do the same.
As for writing another book of the series, it would be done by Kevin Anderson and Brian Herbert. Don't even get me started...........
The FF that comes with Hardy isn't much different that the FF from Mozilla in the regard. The thing to do was to backup your.mozilla directory. Then if FF3B4 turned out to be rotten for you, just download FF2 from Mozilla and run it from your home directory.
Incidentally, if the problems were just the browser you could have at got back up to a stock configuration just by deleting or renaming the.mozilla directory. Backups in general before doing a thing like that are a good idea. Buy yourself an external USB hard drive. 320GB units can be had for 60 or 70 bucks. Then do something like this
mkdir backup_configs cd backup_configs dpkg --get-selections > installed_packages.txt tar cvfz etc.tar.gz/etc
Plug in the drive then do
cd / rsync --progress -h -av/home/mnt/disk (or however it shows up)
So you upgrade to a beta distro and things go pear shaped. Your way back is to:
New install of Ubuntu from disk. Just take the defaults. If anything strip it down to a bare minimum for speed. Almost everything will dselect-upgrade when you're done anyway.
Create a user named the same as the one you had in your old install.
Once booted to your new install plug in the backup drive then:
cd / rsync --progress -h -av/mnt/disk/home//home/ cd/home/oldusername/backup_configs tar xvfz etc.tar.gz cp etc/apt/sources.list/etc/apt dpkg --set-selections "less than sign...stinking lameness filter!" installed_packages.txt apt-get dselect-upgrade
DON'T replace the contents of/etc with your tarball but you can cherry pick anything you customized or worked better in the old install from it. These procedures also work on Debian and other Debian derivatives.
It's just another license to flamewar over. Additionally, almost any discussion about the GPL (any version), FSF, or RMS is almost automatically guaranteed to generate more heat than light. My own take on it is that if I'm capable of improving something I find useful then I'll improve it. I'll do it under whatever license it came under because "he who writes the code chooses the license". I do avoid things covered by "Jim Bob's Personal Open License" and stick to things covered by the majors: MIT, BSD, GPL (any ver after 2), X11, Apache, Mozilla, and Sun. Maybe I missed one or two but basically as long as it is mainstream and not abusive to devs (I'm liberal on this) and users (not so liberal on this) then I Just Don't Care.
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ASUS has recently released an SDK for these. It may be better and easier to install that on a larger machine and just transfer over compiled packages and install them. Also, I don't recommend this procedure for everyone but I got away with chucking in a source line for Debian Etch and did an "apt-get upgrade" NOT "dist-upgrade". This works well because the Xandros loaded on the unit is based on Etch. So anything I want now can be built on one of my Etch machines and installed easily. Basically as long as the KDE, QT libs, and any package that has "xandros" in the name is untouched, you can install anything built for Etch that you want.
With a little fiddling, I also got OpenOffice 2.4, Acrobat Reader 8.1.2, and replaced Thunderbird with a FirstClass groupware client. And I'm still able to use all of that with the "Easy" interface.
Whatever you're using to create the boot media isn't writing a bootloader.
but that's really only an option for geeks
Um...no. You had only to install it with a Xubuntu CD rather than an Ubuntu CD and you would have got a lightweight desktop out of the box. Choosing to download and burn a different iso isn't a big stretch especially since you seem aware of "lighter window managers".
Would it be such a horrible thing for them to go crazy and put a full $25's worth of 2GB of RAM in an Eee?
This category of device already costs too much. The EEE PC 2G Surf isn't really customizable due to the fact that the included load of software barely fits leaving maybe 200MB left for storage without adding a USB drive or a flash card. That unit starts at $300. The more usable 4G model costs $400. The problem here is that low end laptops with bigger screens and hard drive storage can be had $450 if one shops and for $500-$550 typically.
Blinging them out with RAM and bigger screens to run XP acceptably just makes them compete with the low end traditional laptops. I want to see ultra cheap portables in the $150 to $200 range. I bet they're coming too and MS is going to have to scramble if they want to compete on the coming devices.
To be fair here, EEE PCs come with 512MB ram. If upgraded the ram in that old P3, that XP install would have woke right up.
If using an nvidia or ATI card just be sure that the "linux-restricted-modules" for that kernel gets installed as well and you can get those ten minutes back.
Unless the first two use ultra strange chipsets they should be handled by standard OHCI/UHCI/ECHI drivers and USB HID drivers. I've had four port USB PCI cards work with no hassles whatsover. As for your player I couldn't tell you although I have used iPods, music players that mount as USB storage devices, and one of those oddball Creative players that insist on WMP9 to update the firmware with Linux. Admittedly, I didn't update that firmware with Linux but then downgrading from WMP11 to WMP9 just to admin a player wasn't exactly the height of user friendly.
I wouldn't buy a player that requires some weirdo Windows only software to work but then that is just me. My experience with 5 or 6 random MP3 players in the past couple of years leads me to believe that I could at least move music on and and off the player with Linux which is all I really care about. I'd expect to be able to fully control everything else on the player itself.
I've played with and like a 4G EEE PC. The problem is that at $400 it costs about $200 dollars too much to be what you're wanting it to be. Laptops with full size screens start and more than 20GB storage start at $450 if you really bargain hunt.
The OPLC as originally envisioned is much closer but that project has some strange blindsides. I've seen K12s in the US willing to give it a real shot but they are so stuck on their vision of "pure philanthropy" that they damage the very cause they want to promote and won't make them more generally available. A million or so of these things being bought by First World educational institutions (which can be quite cash strapped themselves!) would kickstart the economy of scale and get the price a lot damn closer to the $100 they were talking about in the first place.....which they could then turn around and provide to those classrooms in developing economies.
I believe that the $200 and even the $100 dollar laptop is coming but the market and economy of scale needed to make that happen is just getting started and Linux will be a real force on them. However, it Windows 7 turns out to be what it is cracked up to be then we may see a leaner modular Windows on them as well.
The "pop scientist" role is probably most fairly applied to someone like Issac Asimov. He was scientifically trained in biology and chemistry but made no real mark on either science although he was an outstanding explainer of both of those and many other things. I believe the "real scientists" are being incredibly short-sighted when they disparage the efforts of good popularizers. The "real scientists" need funding to carry out their work and new generations of students to train. They will have neither from a society that is ignorant or even scornful of science.
It doesn't preclude creating an OS monopoly but Jobs' particular variety of control freakery does. MS supplied the OS for a universe of third-party hardware and imperfectly smoothed over the differences between audio from this vendor and video from that and so on. MS' model is or at least was to be Good Enough on a massive scale and beat a little bit of change from everybody. Jobs on the other hand wants control of the entire experience from firmware boot to Desktop and wants make a hefty chunk on every purchase.
Allow me to humbly advance some ideas:
Professional Image Manipulation Program
Simple Image Manipulation Program
Lightmap Image Manipulation Program
Windowed Image Manipulation Program
Kids will make do with whatever you give them. I've found that once most adults over the age of 24 or so are trained on something Baby Duck Syndrome sets in and anything different than what they're used to is automatically perceived as difficult junk. It matters little whether what they're trained on Windows, Mac, Linux or whatever. Once used to something, most simply aren't willing to learn something else unless put under the gun to do so.
I find the reverse happens when I need to repair and maintain things that have been deployed.
First example since you brought up Exchange. I have to care and feed for an Exchange 2000 setup. Everyone was complaining that it was slow and freezing up on them. Turns out that when old users are deleted that the data is still around. You have to take the service offline and run a command line (I've had Windows fanboys beat me over the head for this so here it is right back....) utility to "defrag" the database which perhaps it does but it also prunes out the 5 or 6 gigs worth of not-really-deleted-data. An Exchange datastore is also prone to the old fashioned sort of ntfs fragmentation too. To get that defragged meant shutting down the service, moving the database files to another volume, defragging the disk for real and moving them back. I have also found archiving old users prior to removal to be a PITA as well. I also found configuring to use a smarthost more painful than it had to be. Perhaps there are better ways of handling these issues but they aren't easy to find out about. I'll re-iterate that I've heard a lot of crap from fanboys that simplicity is a major reason to go with Windows. There is more than one kind of simplicity and Windows severely lacks in many of them.
On the other hand, I had FirstClass running on a Linux server for over a year and had a power failure take the box down. An initrd image wasn't correctly installed during a kernel upgrade and it didn't boot back up. It took me about 10 minutes to fix it with a Knoppix disk. I've had very little luck with Windows machines that won't make it into at least Safe Mode which belongs to an equivalent class of hoseups.
I've generally found that services don't frequently go astray if deployed on Linux and tend to be easy to repair if they do. I'll take a little configuration pain to get that.
Now MS is making the same mistake, leaving their products off of Linux, giving the competition a safe haven to gather strength.
That is quite the large point. If Linux/UNIX users are ignored and what you provide is seen as essential then the Linux/UNIX community will do for themselves what you aren't doing for them. What makes this troublesome is that well polished UNIX apps have a tendency to be ported to Windows and then become popular. So there you are enjoying the hell out of monopoly rents for your apps when a reasonably functional and free replacement for it pops seemingly out of nowhere. Firefox and soon WebKit browsers are doing it to IE. OpenOffice is doing it to Office in many markets. Spare me the rant about how this or that is better in office. The point that it is seeing large deployments nonetheless. That brings up a related point that MS used to understand but has apparently forgotten.
As a young scrappy company, MS provided alternatives that while not as fully featured and maybe even downright clunky were Good Enough. They also served markets that IBM and the other big IT firms couldn't be fussed with. Companies like MS and Adobe forget this at the their peril.
I've been messing about with a 4G EEE which cost a bit under $400. The thing is, full size laptops with optical drives and 1024x768 screens start at $550 so I don't ultimately find the EEE very interesting at the moment. What I WOULD find interesting is a machine at $200 or less with a 2G EEE's level of capability. Basically, give me the keyboard, trackpad, ability to surf web, play movies, play audio, and open documents over a network. If I want anything more then I'll pay more.
The EEE started great but they are moving in the direction of blinging them out more. I suppose this is to make them XP or even Vista capable. Again, that is what full size laptops are for. Give me a cheap Internet/Media/Document access machine and volume price it so that I can splatter classrooms with them.
It sounds much more like the Landover Baptist Church. On a good day, they'll get you three or four paragraphs in before finally making it obvious they aren't serious.
I have to give her props for "Get away from her you BITCH!". I was in a theatre for that and everybody cheered. 'Course this was in the pre-cell phone days........
I've thoroughly enjoyed the Chung Kuo series:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chung_Kuo
Donaldson's Gap Series are good too although both mentioned series span both the eighties and nineties.
I could give a flying fuck what the official definition of recession is. My food and fuel bills going way the hell up isn't media alarmism. My rent being jacked to cover defaulted mortgages in other parts of the real estate business that owns my apartment isn't an illusion either. The cutting back on non-essentials I'm doing as a direct result of all of this doesn't have doodly squat to do with the media either. Recession or not, one hell of a lot of us have are feeling poorer and spending less as a result and THAT WILL cause a recession. This is all a very real effect of rising oil prices that aren't EVER coming back down. If there isn't real leadership on that then I'll have to agree with you that "recession" won't be the right word. "Depression" on the other hand.....
And no, those naughty media pundits didn't talk all the cheap oil away either.
True but if that temporarily elevated account needs to access something on a network share then prepare for pain. It also does not solve the problem of essential applications that won't run correctly without admin rights. It makes securing Windows in a network environment a bad painful joke.
I won't burden you with how great Linux is but I can tell you that after having several people bring several Virtualmonde-r00t3d Windows boxes to me that I have absolutely no patience for a rude rant from a Windows fanboi.
5 years ago a machine with those specs wouldn't fit in a coat pocket and cost less than $400. In another year or two, they will fit in a shirt pocket. If I want an inexpensive compact machine that will do internet and document access with decent battery life, Vista is a non-starter.
I have SEVERE doubts about there ever being a decent movie made from Dune.
1. Lynch movie: Got the look and characters right but did severe damage to the themes and story of the book.
2. Sci-Fi miniseries: Far more true to the themes and story but the look and casting were all wrong and nasty alterations were made to Paul as a young Duke in training. Paul was shown as a basically a whiny privileged brat who outgrows when it called upon to be a man. That always makes for a nice story but it isn't the young Paul Atreides. The Baron Harkonnen was also far too benign looking. What part of "gross and ugly" and "so fat he had to carry his excess weight with suspensors" did these guys have trouble understanding? That and he wasn't nearly diabolical enough. We didn't get The Baron. We got a prissy Adonis wannabe with delusions of being sinister. Similar atrocities were performed on the other characters.
It is also a certainty that the story will be severely dumbed down if this is to be a big budget film. I don't at all disagree with avoiding things like "thought vocalization" but this will be competing with Mission Impossible 7, Fantastic 4 Four, and other tripe with big money, lots of explosions, and no brains. I can't see any resisting the pressure to do the same.
As for writing another book of the series, it would be done by Kevin Anderson and Brian Herbert. Don't even get me started...........
The FF that comes with Hardy isn't much different that the FF from Mozilla in the regard. The thing to do was to backup your .mozilla directory. Then if FF3B4 turned out to be rotten for you, just download FF2 from Mozilla and run it from your home directory.
.mozilla directory. Backups in general before doing a thing like that are a good idea. Buy yourself an external USB hard drive. 320GB units can be had for 60 or 70 bucks. Then do something like this
/etc
/home /mnt/disk (or however it shows up)
/mnt/disk/home/ /home/ /home/oldusername/backup_configs /etc/apt
/etc with your tarball but you can cherry pick anything you customized or worked better in the old install from it. These procedures also work on Debian and other Debian derivatives.
Incidentally, if the problems were just the browser you could have at got back up to a stock configuration just by deleting or renaming the
mkdir backup_configs
cd backup_configs
dpkg --get-selections > installed_packages.txt
tar cvfz etc.tar.gz
Plug in the drive then do
cd /
rsync --progress -h -av
So you upgrade to a beta distro and things go pear shaped. Your way back is to:
New install of Ubuntu from disk. Just take the defaults. If anything strip it down to a bare minimum for speed. Almost everything will dselect-upgrade when you're done anyway.
Create a user named the same as the one you had in your old install.
Once booted to your new install plug in the backup drive then:
cd /
rsync --progress -h -av
cd
tar xvfz etc.tar.gz
cp etc/apt/sources.list
dpkg --set-selections "less than sign...stinking lameness filter!" installed_packages.txt
apt-get dselect-upgrade
DON'T replace the contents of
It's just another license to flamewar over. Additionally, almost any discussion about the GPL (any version), FSF, or RMS is almost automatically guaranteed to generate more heat than light. My own take on it is that if I'm capable of improving something I find useful then I'll improve it. I'll do it under whatever license it came under because "he who writes the code chooses the license". I do avoid things covered by "Jim Bob's Personal Open License" and stick to things covered by the majors: MIT, BSD, GPL (any ver after 2), X11, Apache, Mozilla, and Sun. Maybe I missed one or two but basically as long as it is mainstream and not abusive to devs (I'm liberal on this) and users (not so liberal on this) then I Just Don't Care.