Reading the comments and linked pages I read the only obvious simple solution once.....someone buy out the Trolls and make QT GPL. How many of us are willing to pay off the Trolls? Gunther is willing to give $3000 (or is it $3) for a bad work-around (bad because we now have another extra legal loop to go around.... e.g. I want to port a kde app to gnome, must I license it with the QT qualifier? Must I send my source to the Trolls?) and I would be willing to give a few bucks (i.e. buy a boxed distro). So who will step up to the mark?
IBM, SGI or.... One of the bigger companies who can afford it as a publicity issue.
Microsoft. They could do it so that they can use qt work etc on windows but let's face it this is unlikely
Gnu, FSF. A fund-raising campaign to put this to bed for once. Could they have the readies in time for QT2?
Us. Anyone have any ideas for a real way to collect money online so that it can be bought buy the people for the people?
At the end of the day who cares if MS get it for free aswell, so long as we can all ensure that we have a free computer software system, and who couldn't care less as long as they can compile and run what they want?
Surely the display on a laptop/webpad/whatever is actually the major power draw, or at least a highly significant one. Does anyone have any component level power consumption figures on a device with cpu, hdd, display and all the other neccessarys (can't see them taking a large share)? And what about the power efficiency of these devices, are they all running 90% efficient or 10% (and I'll let anyone else who wants to try and define efficient in these circumstances)?
Strictly Speaking it was called eXpo Windows World (with the eXpo being the most prominent world on all literature etc. that I saw) but in past years it was just called Windows World. I actually spent 2 days on a stand there fielding questions on Linux, was roped into a Linux Q&A presentation and showing our systems to people.We see a wild variety of people with the most common questions:
Can I use this instead of Windows?
Why should I use this instead of Windows?
Can I run my Windows programs on it?
Can I use it on the same machine as Windows?
Is this cd Free?
Could Windows be any worse (yes, the flamebaiters try in real life too!)?
So everyone wanted to know about Linux in relation to Windows. I think the fact that we were not at a Linux Show (I got bumped by a coin-toss at the last minute for going to the London Linux show to make way for a salesman) made it a far more worthwhile experience as people were insterested in holding the Linux world to the same standards as the traditional commercial world. The downside was we saw just how entrenched Microsoft had become, the only question I received that gave me hope was "Can I re-compile my programs written for SCO for Linux?" As long as these people are out there it can only be a matter of time before we can have a software show and stop nailing shows to operating systems. And I would just like to say that the only answer I hated giving was when I had to tell one person who wanted to ditch Windows that they had to keep Windows because he couldn't replace his Cubase.
As I said previously the obvious course for Microsoft is to move to a third world country where they can write the legal system to suit themselves and then see what anyone is going to do about it. Are all the alternatives to MS products ready to convince the world at large that they can and should drop all Microsoft products because they have patently abused their monopoly, wasted a fortune in taxpayers money (US, EU and Japan anyway) and ignored the presiding legal system? I don't think so. Bottom line, how much to harbour Microsoft, the worlds new enemy that everyone is still handing over fortunes to. Would any government worldwide be willing to ban MS products import and use?
Perhaps JC is throwing down his own gauntlet.....fire me if you dare! As a part owner of ID he is not invulnerable, but as the guru of ID he is invaluable to them. His statement that the firing was against him simply shows that he is using this forum to spit on his employers for their stupidity, maybe to get them to grovel back to Steed, maybe just to show them that he regards many things as more important than ID software and that one of them is loyalty to the people who have brought the success. Bottom line, who doesn't believe that if John Carmack left ID tomorrow he would be able to continue working on what he wants, the only question is if he stays with ID can he work with who he wants? It is a power struggle between the developers whose products bring the sales and the owners who reap the rewards with Carmack saying that he ain't going to take no fscking tihs.
Last time I tried 3dsmax under wine (about 2 months ago) it got as far as drawing the window for the splash screen and that was it. Admitedly that was 3dsmax3, perhaps an earlier version may have had more success and perhaps it might even be able to draw the picture fopr the splash screen now aswell.
I'll happily buy this in any store I can walk into (so if I go on holidays and see it thats fine by me). All I ask is that I buy it from a retail store (even if I have to pay more) in the hope that Quake IV will at least arrive in the shop when it is released and maybe Quake V will arrive at the same time as the Doze version. We can all buy online....but I like the idea of retailers for many products (and I think they especially suit potential unplanned purchases/fun things!). Besides if any store stocks a copy and sells it to me, they might stock another and someone else might buy it and become that much more exposed to linux, or simply buy it to have on a linux box even though they don't really play games. I want to see Linux marketed (yes I call shelf space in a store marketing when it comes to Linux in this part of the world) not ignored to see if it will die away and much the retailers lives just a tiny bit easier. BTW Quake is open source (well the engine), Quake III is not open source but I don't care because it probably will be and it was sent out by ID in Win, Mac and Linux together (even if the distributors rushed the Win one out quickly for christmas).
I have been trying to buy Q3A for linux since last December. I refuse the windows version (I don't know if MS get a penny of it, but I want my vote to be for linux) and I really want to buy the game in a shop over a counter. If the only linux versions bought are online, my vote is only affecting the producers, I want the shops to take a bit more notice of linux (lets face it Q3 is a big release so it is certainly the sort of product they should be testing the waters with). After asking and asking and asking in shops from top to tail of Ireland without any success (and I would happily pre-pay to order it!) the following occurred:
Dear HMV,
Why do you not sell Quake ]I[ Arena for linux. You sell it for Windows and Mac (and all three versions left Id Software together). www.linuxemporium.co.uk has stock so therefore it can be sold in the uk (I'm Irish by the way and was told in Belfast that I should try elsewhere, and the same in Dublin except they said it was on order for ever but that they had not received any from YOU). I can buy Quake III for Linux online, but I refuse, I want to a member of staff of a shop that sells computer games to hand me my copy and I will hand them my money. I will order it (as I have told your people), and I know of quite a few other people who would be tempted to buy it. Apart from anything else it comes in a pretty silver box!!! Please stop being so prejudiced and give linux a chance, you stock things like applixware which will never excite anyone, so why snub the open source revolution by not stocking the most exciting game of the last millenium in all its glory.
And their reply!
Thank you for your email regarding Linux games.
I have forwarded your comments to our Games Buyer at Head Office for his comments. The reasons that we do not stock this format are that the range available at the present time is mostly Business software. As it is still a relatively new format, it is not supported by all the games companies, and we have therefore not been presented with the product. If the range grows and includes up to date titles that can be distributed in the UK, then we will look into stocking limited titles in specific stores. With regards to the Quake 3 game, our Games Buyer has spoken to Activision (the games publisher in the UK) and they have told him that it has not been officially sold in this country. It can be bought on the Internet and in selected import shops, as it is available to buy in America. Activision have no plans to sell this title officially through UK High Street retailers. I hope that I have helped answer your enquiry, and would like to thank you for your interest in HMV. Yours sincerely, Name Removed Customer Service
How about just rights to automatically take any files that ever appear on the recipients computer or any computer it can find using the data on the computer and to demand the data should the automated systems fail (i.e. if it stops sending us packets, tell them to send us a copy of the hard disks), and that all data it sends is covered by the GPL. The first thing it should send is a stamp of the acceptance click. Distribute the doc as a self generating vbs (preferably obfuscating the content as much as possible) with click through so they have to hack to avoid it (if they bother) in which case if they ever mention it their click-wraps go out the window with it.
since by and large, the public does not care about this issue
Industry cares about this for two reasons:
They would like to feel more secure about their own communications and secrets (not like Microsoft who are quite happy to use an unecrypted zip file with a click through license, explains a lot about our online privacy and security doesn't it!).
Personally the industries employees don't feel secure sending their own personal details using low-grade security
So perhaps the pressure has come from the companies, but a large part of the reason is to try and accelerate the uptake on e-commerce because too much of their target audience feels that web security is not secure (despite the increibly insignificant levels of fraud actually perpetrated by breaking encryption let alone where the internet can accept any blame, ask your banking friends how many cases of internet credit card fraud they have seen, mine have all answered none).
Now I know I could have the traditional beowolf cluster of these, but how many can I get in one box/board? As the article says Sun is winning in the big server market with upto 64 processors, what is Intel offering, are these 2/4/8 way limited processors, or are we just going to have to wait and see what sort of motherboards appear?
Nearly right, the next variant will contain a variant on the words "Trade Secret" for title, A html based Javascript click through licencse for a body (starting and ending with a load of legal mumbo jumbo and containing perhaps one sentence of warning as to what is about to happen), and a debian install starting with delete all partitions. BTW, the only target will be M$
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If someone hacks up a client with everything except the keys, and starts distributing it -- that can't be illegal, can it?
YES it would be ILLEGAL! Or at least unlicensed! The part of the story that got me was reading just how many licenses are required to watch a DVD, it made me feel very sad. If I was to hack together a free client I would have to leave out:
A navigation system for accessing the DVDs format
The keys to decrypt the data stream
The MPEG-2 video player to display the un-encrypted stream
The audio interpretter to read the audio track to 1,2,3,4,5,5.1 chanel sound
I'm sure the above is technically incorrect, but it does present a picture close to the truth (and better for free software supporters than the truth!). If I bothered doing all this, the end user would still have to plug in a bunch of systems to actually play a DVD and I wouldn't exactly be providing a player, would I? We have to focus our lobbying effort on these licensors, get them to remove software form the equation. Let's face it we are all quite happy to pay £5 on our amplifier/soundcard for dobly digital decrytion licensing, but we won't pay £0.02 for the same in software, let them recoup their money from hardware. Off-Topic: Can anyone tell me if there have been any DVDs produced yet WITHOUT CSS and therefore not-encrypted or regonalised and if these disks would play on hardware players. Perhaps we should lobby for all the production houses to release without CSS, finally recognising that this is a stupid system which creates hassle and serves no purpose (well not since it was broken anyway, and that was always only a question of time).
If I buy a DVD drive or card and drive package, and I receive DVD playing software in the box for an operating system I do not run/own can I return the un-used/un-loaded/un-clicked-EULA software for a return of the licensing fees a la returning an unbooted windows? If not can the benefactors of my purchase be sued for monopolistic practices?
Do you (US) have a legal aid system? If so can it be used to defend these sorts of claims? I know that there are legal aid systems (appointed lawyer at no cost) over this side of the world but I do not know if they could be used for this. It is a disgrace that this happens, but perhaps the only solution is for every ISP in the US to sign a short and simple email to the US goverment which reads: "The current US legal system surrounding internet sites and rights to information has placed us at such a competitive disadvantage that we are finalising plans to remove ourselves from your juristiction. We are a US company and wish to remain here but cannot afford to, please help us afford it."
Yet again Slashdot has posted a story querying the intentions and validity of a license from a commercial software developer without first asking, in this case Borland/Inprise, what it means. Could we please refrain from posting any stories like this until the external party has had a chance to make a comment which should be included in the story and make this a far more worthwhile exercise. As it is any comments will be rendered inapplicable when we hear from Borland (well virtually) so let's see some sense.
I understand that as long as the user has clicked through the EULA on install, they can't sue M$ for losses incurred by the negligence of their programming....but what if I run an ISP with no M$ software and their bug costs me, can I sue? Surely I can! Simplest scenario, bfreeSP provides email services to 1000 companies via POP/IMAP, a security oversight in a M$ product results in bfreeSP receiving a DDOS from all it's own customers and the people who want to mail to the customer. bfreeSP's customers lose their email system for 1 day (thanks to the speed of sendmail fixing the problem) and hence all claim a refund for the lost day (lets forget the compensation side for now). bfreeSP should be able to sue M$ because it has never agreed to the EULA, and the problem has been caused by the software written by M$. In the above simple case, am I right in assuming the only factor a case would consider is whether the fault lies with M$, the author of the worm/virus/whatever which exploited the hole or each and every individual user who installed and used the M$ software? Anyone who is a lawyer care to suggest how this case might fare?
it's not MS' implementation not working with Unix' implementations of kerberos, but about Samba that wants to replace win2k servers and wants to act like a win2k server.
for me it's about choice, using a windows or linux client on a network with linux and windows servers. I won't let a company dictate to me how I must secure this, that is the route to "I LOVE YOU".
I can't bring myself to correct you in full, instead let me ask one question, how are the venture capitalists and infrastructural companies expecting to recoup their expenses? From consumer spending or from the money tree? The good ones are expecting their consumers to pay them back, the bad ones are trying to IPO.
The internet was funded by business for business and is supported and enhanced by business and for business.
The internet was funded by government.
The internet is funded by each person willing to pay for permenent connectivity, this includes the ISPs that Joe Public supports with his cash (or advertising potential!). Therefore anyone who connects to the internet is contributing to the funding of the net.
Who enhances the Internet? Business? Slashdot? Gnu? Apache developers? Business exclusively....I think not
The internet gets it's legs from
the billions in capital business (mostly US) provide for their benefit, not yours
the circa 1 billion users who frequent it and populate it with content.
inordinate trillions spent by the 1 billion Internet users every year.
The net was hijacked from the military by the scientists, who lost it to p0rn who are losing it to business, but during all these transitions it has been well established that whoever may be dominating the net has no control over it, the net is for all, not for business
Pr0n, Joe sixpack's dog pics and AOL crap are just unwanted byproducts.
What percentage of the online p0rn industries turnover did every Open-Source and Free-Software project/company turnover last year? And which does demand therefore say is not wanted?
The internet is not a push system (like tv) so if no-one wants Joes sixpack, dog pics and AOL crap no-one has to go near it, but if Mary wants her relatives to be able to see some photos of Pooch and it makes her happy what is your problem
Are you really trying to tell me that slashdot contains the opinion that the net should be undemocratic and that not all users are created equal?
Are nerds only interested in linux and open source? NO
It is not our/your internet! It is everyones Internet! If the internet has "dumbed down" then it is just appealing to the masses.
Buy a domain like elitegeek.net and create your own net if you want with search engines that only have the data you want in them. The very freedoms that allowed the explosive growth of the net allows you to carve off a little section if you want.
By what arrogance do you believe you have a right to join your IPv6 net where others do not. Who is the test body?
It scares me to death to read a post like this when I have to wonder if you could actually mean it!
Your post smacks of the argument for removing the right to vote because everyone keeps voting in the same dumb bastards.
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How many of us are willing to pay off the Trolls? Gunther is willing to give $3000 (or is it $3) for a bad work-around (bad because we now have another extra legal loop to go around.... e.g. I want to port a kde app to gnome, must I license it with the QT qualifier? Must I send my source to the Trolls?) and I would be willing to give a few bucks (i.e. buy a boxed distro). So who will step up to the mark?
- IBM, SGI or
.... One of the bigger companies who can afford it as a publicity issue. - Microsoft. They could do it so that they can use qt work etc on windows but let's face it this is unlikely
- Gnu, FSF. A fund-raising campaign to put this to bed for once. Could they have the readies in time for QT2?
- Us. Anyone have any ideas for a real way to collect money online so that it can be bought buy the people for the people?
At the end of the day who cares if MS get it for free aswell, so long as we can all ensure that we have a free computer software system, and who couldn't care less as long as they can compile and run what they want?Surely the display on a laptop/webpad/whatever is actually the major power draw, or at least a highly significant one. Does anyone have any component level power consumption figures on a device with cpu, hdd, display and all the other neccessarys (can't see them taking a large share)?
And what about the power efficiency of these devices, are they all running 90% efficient or 10% (and I'll let anyone else who wants to try and define efficient in these circumstances)?
I actually spent 2 days on a stand there fielding questions on Linux, was roped into a Linux Q&A presentation and showing our systems to people.We see a wild variety of people with the most common questions:
- Can I use this instead of Windows?
- Why should I use this instead of Windows?
- Can I run my Windows programs on it?
- Can I use it on the same machine as Windows?
- Is this cd Free?
- Could Windows be any worse (yes, the flamebaiters try in real life too!)?
So everyone wanted to know about Linux in relation to Windows. I think the fact that we were not at a Linux Show (I got bumped by a coin-toss at the last minute for going to the London Linux show to make way for a salesman) made it a far more worthwhile experience as people were insterested in holding the Linux world to the same standards as the traditional commercial world. The downside was we saw just how entrenched Microsoft had become, the only question I received that gave me hope was "Can I re-compile my programs written for SCO for Linux?" As long as these people are out there it can only be a matter of time before we can have a software show and stop nailing shows to operating systems.And I would just like to say that the only answer I hated giving was when I had to tell one person who wanted to ditch Windows that they had to keep Windows because he couldn't replace his Cubase.
As I said previously the obvious course for Microsoft is to move to a third world country where they can write the legal system to suit themselves and then see what anyone is going to do about it. Are all the alternatives to MS products ready to convince the world at large that they can and should drop all Microsoft products because they have patently abused their monopoly, wasted a fortune in taxpayers money (US, EU and Japan anyway) and ignored the presiding legal system? I don't think so.
Bottom line, how much to harbour Microsoft, the worlds new enemy that everyone is still handing over fortunes to. Would any government worldwide be willing to ban MS products import and use?
Perhaps JC is throwing down his own gauntlet.....fire me if you dare! As a part owner of ID he is not invulnerable, but as the guru of ID he is invaluable to them. His statement that the firing was against him simply shows that he is using this forum to spit on his employers for their stupidity, maybe to get them to grovel back to Steed, maybe just to show them that he regards many things as more important than ID software and that one of them is loyalty to the people who have brought the success.
Bottom line, who doesn't believe that if John Carmack left ID tomorrow he would be able to continue working on what he wants, the only question is if he stays with ID can he work with who he wants? It is a power struggle between the developers whose products bring the sales and the owners who reap the rewards with Carmack saying that he ain't going to take no fscking tihs.
Last time I tried 3dsmax under wine (about 2 months ago) it got as far as drawing the window for the splash screen and that was it. Admitedly that was 3dsmax3, perhaps an earlier version may have had more success and perhaps it might even be able to draw the picture fopr the splash screen now aswell.
I'll happily buy this in any store I can walk into (so if I go on holidays and see it thats fine by me). All I ask is that I buy it from a retail store (even if I have to pay more) in the hope that Quake IV will at least arrive in the shop when it is released and maybe Quake V will arrive at the same time as the Doze version.
We can all buy online....but I like the idea of retailers for many products (and I think they especially suit potential unplanned purchases/fun things!). Besides if any store stocks a copy and sells it to me, they might stock another and someone else might buy it and become that much more exposed to linux, or simply buy it to have on a linux box even though they don't really play games. I want to see Linux marketed (yes I call shelf space in a store marketing when it comes to Linux in this part of the world) not ignored to see if it will die away and much the retailers lives just a tiny bit easier.
BTW Quake is open source (well the engine), Quake III is not open source but I don't care because it probably will be and it was sent out by ID in Win, Mac and Linux together (even if the distributors rushed the Win one out quickly for christmas).
How about just rights to automatically take any files that ever appear on the recipients computer or any computer it can find using the data on the computer and to demand the data should the automated systems fail (i.e. if it stops sending us packets, tell them to send us a copy of the hard disks), and that all data it sends is covered by the GPL. The first thing it should send is a stamp of the acceptance click. Distribute the doc as a self generating vbs (preferably obfuscating the content as much as possible) with click through so they have to hack to avoid it (if they bother) in which case if they ever mention it their click-wraps go out the window with it.
- They would like to feel more secure about their own communications and secrets (not like Microsoft who are quite happy to use an unecrypted zip file with a click through license, explains a lot about our online privacy and security doesn't it!).
- Personally the industries employees don't feel secure sending their own personal details using low-grade security
So perhaps the pressure has come from the companies, but a large part of the reason is to try and accelerate the uptake on e-commerce because too much of their target audience feels that web security is not secure (despite the increibly insignificant levels of fraud actually perpetrated by breaking encryption let alone where the internet can accept any blame, ask your banking friends how many cases of internet credit card fraud they have seen, mine have all answered none).Now I know I could have the traditional beowolf cluster of these, but how many can I get in one box/board? As the article says Sun is winning in the big server market with upto 64 processors, what is Intel offering, are these 2/4/8 way limited processors, or are we just going to have to wait and see what sort of motherboards appear?
Nearly right,
the next variant will contain a variant on the words "Trade Secret" for title, A html based Javascript click through licencse for a body (starting and ending with a load of legal mumbo jumbo and containing perhaps one sentence of warning as to what is about to happen), and a debian install starting with delete all partitions.
BTW, the only target will be M$
- A navigation system for accessing the DVDs format
- The keys to decrypt the data stream
- The MPEG-2 video player to display the un-encrypted stream
- The audio interpretter to read the audio track to 1,2,3,4,5,5.1 chanel sound
I'm sure the above is technically incorrect, but it does present a picture close to the truth (and better for free software supporters than the truth!). If I bothered doing all this, the end user would still have to plug in a bunch of systems to actually play a DVD and I wouldn't exactly be providing a player, would I?We have to focus our lobbying effort on these licensors, get them to remove software form the equation. Let's face it we are all quite happy to pay £5 on our amplifier/soundcard for dobly digital decrytion licensing, but we won't pay £0.02 for the same in software, let them recoup their money from hardware.
Off-Topic: Can anyone tell me if there have been any DVDs produced yet WITHOUT CSS and therefore not-encrypted or regonalised and if these disks would play on hardware players. Perhaps we should lobby for all the production houses to release without CSS, finally recognising that this is a stupid system which creates hassle and serves no purpose (well not since it was broken anyway, and that was always only a question of time).
If I buy a DVD drive or card and drive package, and I receive DVD playing software in the box for an operating system I do not run/own can I return the un-used/un-loaded/un-clicked-EULA software for a return of the licensing fees a la returning an unbooted windows? If not can the benefactors of my purchase be sued for monopolistic practices?
Corel CVS
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Do you (US) have a legal aid system? If so can it be used to defend these sorts of claims? I know that there are legal aid systems (appointed lawyer at no cost) over this side of the world but I do not know if they could be used for this. It is a disgrace that this happens, but perhaps the only solution is for every ISP in the US to sign a short and simple email to the US goverment which reads:
"The current US legal system surrounding internet sites and rights to information has placed us at such a competitive disadvantage that we are finalising plans to remove ourselves from your juristiction. We are a US company and wish to remain here but cannot afford to, please help us afford it."
Yet again Slashdot has posted a story querying the intentions and validity of a license from a commercial software developer without first asking, in this case Borland/Inprise, what it means. Could we please refrain from posting any stories like this until the external party has had a chance to make a comment which should be included in the story and make this a far more worthwhile exercise. As it is any comments will be rendered inapplicable when we hear from Borland (well virtually) so let's see some sense.
I understand that as long as the user has clicked through the EULA on install, they can't sue M$ for losses incurred by the negligence of their programming....but what if I run an ISP with no M$ software and their bug costs me, can I sue? Surely I can!
Simplest scenario, bfreeSP provides email services to 1000 companies via POP/IMAP, a security oversight in a M$ product results in bfreeSP receiving a DDOS from all it's own customers and the people who want to mail to the customer. bfreeSP's customers lose their email system for 1 day (thanks to the speed of sendmail fixing the problem) and hence all claim a refund for the lost day (lets forget the compensation side for now). bfreeSP should be able to sue M$ because it has never agreed to the EULA, and the problem has been caused by the software written by M$.
In the above simple case, am I right in assuming the only factor a case would consider is whether the fault lies with M$, the author of the worm/virus/whatever which exploited the hole or each and every individual user who installed and used the M$ software? Anyone who is a lawyer care to suggest how this case might fare?
I can't bring myself to correct you in full, instead let me ask one question, how are the venture capitalists and infrastructural companies expecting to recoup their expenses? From consumer spending or from the money tree? The good ones are expecting their consumers to pay them back, the bad ones are trying to IPO.
- The internet was funded by government.
- The internet is funded by each person willing to pay for permenent connectivity, this includes the ISPs that Joe Public supports with his cash (or advertising potential!). Therefore anyone who connects to the internet is contributing to the funding of the net.
- Who enhances the Internet? Business? Slashdot? Gnu? Apache developers? Business exclusively....I think not
The internet gets it's legs from- What percentage of the online p0rn industries turnover did every Open-Source and Free-Software project/company turnover last year? And which does demand therefore say is not wanted?
- The internet is not a push system (like tv) so if no-one wants Joes sixpack, dog pics and AOL crap no-one has to go near it, but if Mary wants her relatives to be able to see some photos of Pooch and it makes her happy what is your problem
Are you really trying to tell me that slashdot contains the opinion that the net should be undemocratic and that not all users are created equal?- Are nerds only interested in linux and open source? NO
- It is not our/your internet! It is everyones Internet! If the internet has "dumbed down" then it is just appealing to the masses.
- Buy a domain like elitegeek.net and create your own net if you want with search engines that only have the data you want in them. The very freedoms that allowed the explosive growth of the net allows you to carve off a little section if you want.
- By what arrogance do you believe you have a right to join your IPv6 net where others do not. Who is the test body?
- It scares me to death to read a post like this when I have to wonder if you could actually mean it!
Your post smacks of the argument for removing the right to vote because everyone keeps voting in the same dumb bastards.- A website should be available to as many users as possible
- A website should look as spanky as possible to the largest market
and do you encourage your clients to act accordingly?Whatever happened to Farenheit, the SGI and M$ hybrid OpenGL/DirectX replacement?