The new.plan makes it clear that they are not going to say that they are dropping mac and linux, but instead that they will be open to the games/engines being ported. This is a considerable collapse in their position and we are right to question them on it. I want games developers to start aiming for writing cross-platform code so they can have mac, win, *nix, psx, dc all out together, but if they can just manage to put out each subsequent port within a month of the last (jan=*nix, feb=mac, mar=psx, apr=dc, may=win) I will be content. It is not a good sign for us that one of the few companies who had been trying to do the right thing looks like quiting......what hopes for linux as a gaming platform now?
With regards to this entire issue: 1 Must Microsoft prove that they did not control this entire scenario simply to bring about the legal position they desired (i.e. they just used a zip.exe and then posted the comment on how to circumnavigate it)? 2 Does the 48 hour removal time apply as the email is erroneous (the article #86 mention perjures them by their own affirmation!)? I realise that the email probably is worthless anyway, but I am also assuming that the paper copy is on its way or has arrived! Finally, if Andover removes anything other than the verbatim code quotes in the referenced documents I think it is time for slashdot to leave both the US and Andover!
I have just spent the last two days on a stand at an exibition here in Dublin. The amount of people interested in exploring any alternative to the M$ system was staggering, and reports from stands offering training services implied that for every request for NT training, 10 requests were made regarding linux training. Given this background, I feel that the time has arrived where each and every decision M$ takes which compromises the ability for alternate systems to interoperate and co-exist will actually hurt M$ instead of helping their domination. If M$ do embark on a tactic of isolating their products from all other systems, they will simply accelerate the loss of their market share as many many users are now far more aware of the issues concerned. Perhaps the greatest side-effect of the U.S. DOJ case has been the education of populations, and this will be the real punishment for M$.
The finished codec must be released to the general public either under the open-source GNU General Public License
And the other license is.............. $5000 and an iMac doesn't sound like the right sort of incentive for this sort of thing does it? Let's see apple add one of these MP G4 boxes we keep hearing about:-)
Did you endorse the use of "Babelfish" by altavista or did you consider trying to prevent them from using the word as they are far from proving that god does not exist?
Do you believe that Marvin is the inevitable result of all AI research, or that a balance can be struck between Artificial Intelligence and Artificial servitude?
Does anyone know if the CoS would discover who was selling the item if the seller challenged their claim to copyright? From the above:
The seller of the item (not a third party) can request and fill out a counter notice.
it seems to me that they probably would, and hence I would suggest that the only reason they are having these products removed is to find out who is leaving them and to make sure that no new members can save a few quid (and cost the CoS some "commission"). I would also suspect they are quite sure that no-one wanting to leave them will file a counter notice or sue. All that is certain is that I am glad I am not American and that I live in a country without such an incredible legal system that can create these farces.
Yes, ABIT gave us a lovely motherboard and we should thank them for it but you are obviously spewing flamebait for another America!=World debate. On what grounds do you believe the GPL only applies in the U.S.? Do you believe any company can release any GPL software they like (modified or not) by any means they choose so long as they are not American? Anyway I think it's debatable that U.S. law applies in the U.S. and for an argument I supply one young Cuban boy and one manufacturer of bloatware containing a OS and a browser.
So the palm is going ARM, is this a good thing?
Are we not going to see the Palm battery life drop significantly when the CPU gets a 4-8 times speed increase? How does an ARM processor stack up to the Crusoe for performance and power consumption? How hard would it be to port the existing Palm line to a Crusoe and retain total compatibility with a faster processor? Why wouldn't Palm do this?
How long can I wait for a crusoe webpad, and is it longer than I can wait before I buy a Palm?
OK, so it is obvious from history that all the video chip manufacturers will spout their PR gibberish whenever they can and that they will never tell us about the products they fail to beat. What is not so obvious is why speed has remained the driving force of video hardware for the last few years.
Definetly since we moved to AGP cards, there has been next to no determinable difference between the 2d performance of graphics cards under windows, under XFree86 however the acceleration of the drivers meant that some cards speed ahead while others were left behind. I have no figures to confim this, but I am sure that there must now under linux be no real difference in 2d performance between a selection of 6-12 month old graphics cards from the linux "supporting" manufacturers. So 2d is no longer an advertising campaign....what is?
3d seems to still be the marketeers primary goal, they feel certain that by convincing us that there card can handle more 3d data (by throwing fill-rates, bandwidth, texture memory and ramdac speeds our way) we will experience VR on a standard x86 machine.....rubbish. The 3d question when buying a graphics card = will it play the newest games at an acceptable speed in my system NOW (i.e. not if they ever get their drivers out)? If yes move on to next question, if no move onto next card, to speculate as to whether its performance will be adequate to play the next generation of games is futile as no-one will no how they will be written and you don't know what your system will be like in the future.
Video. MPEG acceleration, Capture and perhaps CSS decoding and pal/ntsc out, these are all addons (like 3d used to be) that nobody seems to see as a marketing ploy. I was in two high-street computer shops in Dublin this weekend and noticed both carrying the (nice big sticker advertising the fact on box) NON-VIVO version of the same TNT II...why? Seems like to someone not having video is an advertising sell. When buying a graphics card, how many people will not look at a card if it will not do significant hardware acceleration of MPEG, how many will look for a TV out card and how many will spend those extra bucks for the ability to capture from their camcorder and do a bit of non-linear editing. Look at the ATI All-In-Wonder or the some of Asus' NVidia based boards and the G400 and you will find many of these features, but how many work outside of one or maybe two variants of M$ Winblows?
What does this all mean? Well, IMHO the first manufacturer to produce a product that has an open source driver (for any platform, if you build it, we will hack) which
delivers accelerated 2d performance
OpenGL hardware acceleration
MPEG acceleration
Video Capture
Pal/NTSC output
will win the linux market (and how many cards is that then? Well a few million anyway, and growing rapidly.)
Who here on slashdot would turn down a video-card/driver combination that provides these features because it will only play todays games at 85 and not 110 frames per second?
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Lets us all tell them to fsck off. They are just helping AMD etc. sell more high speed processors ("with todays 550MHz+ processors blah blah blah"). Let's not suffer lower frame rates in online games for the sake of £50, and lets not suffer OS incompatible hardware devices for the sake of it. Please someone with the bandwidth begin a petition now to tell them to fsck off!
The Pathelogically Eclectic Rubbish Lister may not have initially been designed with OO in mind, however it was designed and revised with the perl motto in mind "There's more than one way to do it". If you do not like a feature, don't use it and if you dislike the way a project is going you have the source and the choice to stop updating. Is your argument any different to the arguments against adding features to the linux kernel, it was never deisgned for xxxx so why add it now?
I watch as little TV as possible on channels with ads. I hate spending 1 hour watching 40-45 minutes of TV, and I hate VHS's qualitative drop. I have been proclaiming my belief in an Internet variant of the Ad-Funded system whereby you make a choice, will I watch this with ads or not? and if not am I willing to pay the distributors price for the privlege. Resellers (Cable and Internet companies) could agree a fixed price with the provider and then set their own price and advertising regimes to try and recoup those costs, also allowing for areas with broadband networks but not the interconnecting infrastructure to have internal streams.
It is proprietary because anyone who wants to can try to protect it with the GPL if they wish to litigate. The reason for the GPL is to prevent idiots like this from splitting the tree and creating a fragmented system. Yes it's proprietary but only to ensure that no-one can release another proprietary version of it without letting everyone see how they have done it to re-integrate the two, if it is worth it. BTW he has obviously never heard of linuxconf or that X is a network based system or else he would keep his mouth shut about graphical administration tools.
Yet another great sign that the Wintel monopoly is broken. How long can it be before Microsoft is no longer regarded as a monopoly in their own right? Weeks (Kernel 2.4), Months (KDE 2) or Years (US DoJ does something or wine runs all windows apps), or simply until we make the world believe?
One problem, I was talking about editing (and effects/transitions etc). So unless you want to stick with buying a high-end card and only using the inbuilt effects/transitions the card does little for you. The person I was refering to who would buy dual Xeons with 1Mb+ uses a DPS Perception (I think he has a RT aswell now) which handles the encoding, decoding and non-linerar access, but it is his software that renders out large sections of his work (all non-hardware based transitions).
One simple reason for these processors (and why someone I know will pay for them)....Video If you want to deal with uncompressed PAL video footage, 256k is not enough, 512k is not enough and even 1Mb is not enough unless you are willing to drop down to DV or broadacst values during the editing stage (in fact everything currently drops down from true uncompressed values using 4:2:2 and the like instead of a full 32bit/pixel ratio). What's this mean? Well if you want to make a TV program on your PC for a station with any standards (i.e. not the jokers who will actually put commercial video camera footage up) you _MUST_ have at least 1Mb of cache per processor or suffer the consequence of each frame requiring firing in and out of the chip cache.
Let's just setup a napster type distributed system to mirror all this freely available stuff to make sure it is always available and online and not slashdotted to hell as terraserver probably is at the moment! Join terraserver and this together and then start adding the data to create the physical database of all we know.
I still haven't bought a single George Lucas Film so his strategy has cost him money with me. I want IV - VI but have held off due to his constant upgrade policy (remind you of anyone?). First we had the Original VHS release and boy do I wish now that I bought that, but I waited for the digitally remastered version, but when that appeared I held off for the Special Edition and when that appeared I started holding out for the DVD! I have no DVD drive and just bought SouthPark Bigger Longer and Uncut on VHS because I couldn't find a dxr2 and my PC wouldn't handle software decoding but Mr. Luca$ will make me upgrade by releasing Ep IV-VI on DVD. TPM, no thanks I'll just keep waiting just give me the good stuff.
Apache was the killer app for the free software movement on the server. What do you forsee as the killer app for free software movement on the desktop, or do you belive that that free software will never take the desktop?
Is html not a suitable method for transfering files (i.e. if it musn't be printed exactly), and if it must, Corel WP02000 suppports saving files as pdfs. What more do you want?
Until Linux has a consistent system wide OS appearence for all software apps.......... I doubt you'll see Linux in the hands of graphic designers/artists anytime soon. Well if people are so stupid to want every program forced into the same mould irrespective of its intended use, I for one will be glad if they stay off Linux.
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The new .plan makes it clear that they are not going to say that they are dropping mac and linux, but instead that they will be open to the games/engines being ported. This is a considerable collapse in their position and we are right to question them on it. I want games developers to start aiming for writing cross-platform code so they can have mac, win, *nix, psx, dc all out together, but if they can just manage to put out each subsequent port within a month of the last (jan=*nix, feb=mac, mar=psx, apr=dc, may=win) I will be content.
It is not a good sign for us that one of the few companies who had been trying to do the right thing looks like quiting......what hopes for linux as a gaming platform now?
With regards to this entire issue:
1 Must Microsoft prove that they did not control this entire scenario simply to bring about the legal position they desired (i.e. they just used a zip.exe and then posted the comment on how to circumnavigate it)?
2 Does the 48 hour removal time apply as the email is erroneous (the article #86 mention perjures them by their own affirmation!)? I realise that the email probably is worthless anyway, but I am also assuming that the paper copy is on its way or has arrived!
Finally, if Andover removes anything other than the verbatim code quotes in the referenced documents I think it is time for slashdot to leave both the US and Andover!
A) mv $topic /dev/null /dev/null /dev/null /lawyer /non-us
B) mv @bad_posts
C) mv @code_posts
D) mv $slashdot{$}
E) mv $slashdot{server}
I have just spent the last two days on a stand at an exibition here in Dublin. The amount of people interested in exploring any alternative to the M$ system was staggering, and reports from stands offering training services implied that for every request for NT training, 10 requests were made regarding linux training. Given this background, I feel that the time has arrived where each and every decision M$ takes which compromises the ability for alternate systems to interoperate and co-exist will actually hurt M$ instead of helping their domination. If M$ do embark on a tactic of isolating their products from all other systems, they will simply accelerate the loss of their market share as many many users are now far more aware of the issues concerned. Perhaps the greatest side-effect of the U.S. DOJ case has been the education of populations, and this will be the real punishment for M$.
$5000 and an iMac doesn't sound like the right sort of incentive for this sort of thing does it? Let's see apple add one of these MP G4 boxes we keep hearing about
Did you endorse the use of "Babelfish" by altavista or did you consider trying to prevent them from using the word as they are far from proving that god does not exist?
Do you believe that Marvin is the inevitable result of all AI research, or that a balance can be struck between Artificial Intelligence and Artificial servitude?
All that is certain is that I am glad I am not American and that I live in a country without such an incredible legal system that can create these farces.
Yes, ABIT gave us a lovely motherboard and we should thank them for it but you are obviously spewing flamebait for another America!=World debate.
On what grounds do you believe the GPL only applies in the U.S.? Do you believe any company can release any GPL software they like (modified or not) by any means they choose so long as they are not American?
Anyway I think it's debatable that U.S. law applies in the U.S. and for an argument I supply one young Cuban boy and one manufacturer of bloatware containing a OS and a browser.
So the palm is going ARM, is this a good thing?
Are we not going to see the Palm battery life drop significantly when the CPU gets a 4-8 times speed increase? How does an ARM processor stack up to the Crusoe for performance and power consumption? How hard would it be to port the existing Palm line to a Crusoe and retain total compatibility with a faster processor? Why wouldn't Palm do this?
How long can I wait for a crusoe webpad, and is it longer than I can wait before I buy a Palm?
Definetly since we moved to AGP cards, there has been next to no determinable difference between the 2d performance of graphics cards under windows, under XFree86 however the acceleration of the drivers meant that some cards speed ahead while others were left behind. I have no figures to confim this, but I am sure that there must now under linux be no real difference in 2d performance between a selection of 6-12 month old graphics cards from the linux "supporting" manufacturers. So 2d is no longer an advertising campaign....what is?
3d seems to still be the marketeers primary goal, they feel certain that by convincing us that there card can handle more 3d data (by throwing fill-rates, bandwidth, texture memory and ramdac speeds our way) we will experience VR on a standard x86 machine.....rubbish. The 3d question when buying a graphics card = will it play the newest games at an acceptable speed in my system NOW (i.e. not if they ever get their drivers out)? If yes move on to next question, if no move onto next card, to speculate as to whether its performance will be adequate to play the next generation of games is futile as no-one will no how they will be written and you don't know what your system will be like in the future.
Video. MPEG acceleration, Capture and perhaps CSS decoding and pal/ntsc out, these are all addons (like 3d used to be) that nobody seems to see as a marketing ploy. I was in two high-street computer shops in Dublin this weekend and noticed both carrying the (nice big sticker advertising the fact on box) NON-VIVO version of the same TNT II...why? Seems like to someone not having video is an advertising sell. When buying a graphics card, how many people will not look at a card if it will not do significant hardware acceleration of MPEG, how many will look for a TV out card and how many will spend those extra bucks for the ability to capture from their camcorder and do a bit of non-linear editing. Look at the ATI All-In-Wonder or the some of Asus' NVidia based boards and the G400 and you will find many of these features, but how many work outside of one or maybe two variants of M$ Winblows?
What does this all mean? Well, IMHO the first manufacturer to produce a product that has an open source driver (for any platform, if you build it, we will hack) which
- delivers accelerated 2d performance
- OpenGL hardware acceleration
- MPEG acceleration
- Video Capture
- Pal/NTSC output
will win the linux market (and how many cards is that then? Well a few million anyway, and growing rapidly.)Who here on slashdot would turn down a video-card/driver combination that provides these features because it will only play todays games at 85 and not 110 frames per second?
Lets us all tell them to fsck off. They are just helping AMD etc. sell more high speed processors ("with todays 550MHz+ processors blah blah blah"). Let's not suffer lower frame rates in online games for the sake of £50, and lets not suffer OS incompatible hardware devices for the sake of it. Please someone with the bandwidth begin a petition now to tell them to fsck off!
The Pathelogically Eclectic Rubbish Lister may not have initially been designed with OO in mind, however it was designed and revised with the perl motto in mind "There's more than one way to do it". If you do not like a feature, don't use it and if you dislike the way a project is going you have the source and the choice to stop updating. Is your argument any different to the arguments against adding features to the linux kernel, it was never deisgned for xxxx so why add it now?
I watch as little TV as possible on channels with ads. I hate spending 1 hour watching 40-45 minutes of TV, and I hate VHS's qualitative drop.
I have been proclaiming my belief in an Internet variant of the Ad-Funded system whereby you make a choice, will I watch this with ads or not? and if not am I willing to pay the distributors price for the privlege. Resellers (Cable and Internet companies) could agree a fixed price with the provider and then set their own price and advertising regimes to try and recoup those costs, also allowing for areas with broadband networks but not the interconnecting infrastructure to have internal streams.
It is proprietary because anyone who wants to can try to protect it with the GPL if they wish to litigate.
The reason for the GPL is to prevent idiots like this from splitting the tree and creating a fragmented system. Yes it's proprietary but only to ensure that no-one can release another proprietary version of it without letting everyone see how they have done it to re-integrate the two, if it is worth it.
BTW he has obviously never heard of linuxconf or that X is a network based system or else he would keep his mouth shut about graphical administration tools.
Yet another great sign that the Wintel monopoly is broken. How long can it be before Microsoft is no longer regarded as a monopoly in their own right? Weeks (Kernel 2.4), Months (KDE 2) or Years (US DoJ does something or wine runs all windows apps), or simply until we make the world believe?
One problem, I was talking about editing (and effects/transitions etc). So unless you want to stick with buying a high-end card and only using the inbuilt effects/transitions the card does little for you. The person I was refering to who would buy dual Xeons with 1Mb+ uses a DPS Perception (I think he has a RT aswell now) which handles the encoding, decoding and non-linerar access, but it is his software that renders out large sections of his work (all non-hardware based transitions).
One simple reason for these processors (and why someone I know will pay for them)....Video
If you want to deal with uncompressed PAL video footage, 256k is not enough, 512k is not enough and even 1Mb is not enough unless you are willing to drop down to DV or broadacst values during the editing stage (in fact everything currently drops down from true uncompressed values using 4:2:2 and the like instead of a full 32bit/pixel ratio).
What's this mean? Well if you want to make a TV program on your PC for a station with any standards (i.e. not the jokers who will actually put commercial video camera footage up) you _MUST_ have at least 1Mb of cache per processor or suffer the consequence of each frame requiring firing in and out of the chip cache.
Let's just setup a napster type distributed system to mirror all this freely available stuff to make sure it is always available and online and not slashdotted to hell as terraserver probably is at the moment! Join terraserver and this together and then start adding the data to create the physical database of all we know.
I still haven't bought a single George Lucas Film so his strategy has cost him money with me. I want IV - VI but have held off due to his constant upgrade policy (remind you of anyone?).
First we had the Original VHS release and boy do I wish now that I bought that, but I waited for the digitally remastered version, but when that appeared I held off for the Special Edition and when that appeared I started holding out for the DVD!
I have no DVD drive and just bought SouthPark Bigger Longer and Uncut on VHS because I couldn't find a dxr2 and my PC wouldn't handle software decoding but Mr. Luca$ will make me upgrade by releasing Ep IV-VI on DVD. TPM, no thanks I'll just keep waiting just give me the good stuff.
Apache was the killer app for the free software movement on the server. What do you forsee as the killer app for free software movement on the desktop, or do you belive that that free software will never take the desktop?
Can you spell pirate?
Is html not a suitable method for transfering files (i.e. if it musn't be printed exactly), and if it must, Corel WP02000 suppports saving files as pdfs. What more do you want?
Well, maybe it won't run but how long before someone takes this up to give linux a real security rating (bet it's quicker than M$ managed).
Until Linux has a consistent system wide OS appearence for all software apps .......... I doubt you'll see Linux in the hands of graphic designers/artists anytime soon.
Well if people are so stupid to want every program forced into the same mould irrespective of its intended use, I for one will be glad if they stay off Linux.