Wow, they weren't even trying to make this believable. If this is a real company, it must be run by some pretty kooky people.
Average Humanity must be, on the intelligence scale, the equivalent of a "low grade moron" compared with wherever this device's design came from.
Yeah, and you'd have to be a "low grade moron" to believe any of this crap. I especially like the picture of the wafer - it's just a coin with the face doctored in a paint program. Not to mention the relabelled PII.
But come to think of it, wih the recent rush of "vapor" products from Silicon Valley, if these guys held an IPO I'd be willing to bet that some idiot with a pile of cash would be drooling to climb on board...
Sorry, your 'slivers+magnet' idea wouldn't work - metals lose their sensitivity to magnetic fields when they're heated up (iron wonks out at around 700-800C, I think), so even if you relied on air resistance to heat up the slivers instead of pre-heating them, they wouldn't be pulled back in by the magnet. Of course, you could always just forget about pulling them back - then you'd have a rather cool rail gun, which would be much more effective than any light saber.
Ok.. I'm getting sick of you people whining about how they show their bench marks. Just take 100 off of it and stop your bitching.
As opposed to whining about people whining about the graphs?
...remember the test systems are even fully optumized yet for this chip.
I presume you mean "aren't"...
But I feel the 2nd batch should be alot better and the support will be alot better in the hardware and software areas.
And I feel that you would look better with a telephone pole stuffed up your ass. Doesn't make it come true, though (more's the pity).
Also note that the 600's will overclockable to 700 mhz.
And where did you get that information? Too much crack can do nasty things to your brainstem.
Note this too, you will be able to do 8 meg of cache, better marks with that much cache, and you can do 16 way processing.
When they actually have the chipsets taht can handle these features available, you mean. Even AMD won't give a firm date for SMP, and the 8M cache version is gonna take a lot more moola than what you steal^H^H^H^H^Hearn.
Now if AMD wanted to kick some ass in the field, the would give 100% linux support.
And in what way do they not support Linux, moron? It's an i386 chip; that's supported. It has 3DNow; that's supported (not by AMD, but hey, it's a compiler problem). What else do you want?
I think I stated my point fairly concisely, and if you think that my comment was a flame, you've got a lot to learn about/.
The point of the GPL is not to prevent use of GPL'd software with proprietary software, but to prevent CHANGES to GPL'd software being made proprietary. As I said, if you read earlier comments you would probably have been able to figure that out. If Microworkz made changes to GPL'd code to get it to work on the iToaster without making the changes available in source form, this is a breach of the GPL.
Some of the things I'm about to say might strike you as unkind. I'm sorry, but the abysmal cluelessness of your comment almost begs for a reaming. I'll try and be gentle.
1) The GPL should be included with any piece of GPL'ed software. Go read it again. 2) Repeat step 1 a few times. 3) Richard Stallman wrote the GPL. Don't worry about asking him; I'm sure he'll let us know his opinion about this whole mess soon. 4) GPL'd code IS NOT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. Repeat this statement until it sinks in. 5) You seem to be misinterpreting the GPL with regard to distribution. Inhouse changes to GPL'd code do not need to be distributed, but if the binaries are available to anyone other than yourself ("yourself" in this case might refer to an entity such as a corporation), YOU MUST DISTRIBUTE YOUR CHANGES IN SOURCE FORM TO ANYONE WHO REQUESTS THEM. Clear enough? 6) The GPL is not wrong or spurious. You are wrong. Go back to step 1 again.
Nobody really knows what Microworkz has done yet; save your breath until we find out. It might have helped if you had bothered to read other people's comments before posting your own. Keep this in mind for future reference.
As far as I'm aware, it should already be fairly close, as EV6 was originally used for Alphas - and the Linux kernel supports Alpha SMP.
Of course, the chipset is different, so it might take a little while to get a working kernel, but don't be surprised if it's available before you actually see an K7 SMP system.
If you're thinking of the same thing that I am, that would be the One (that's the name of the laptop - One. Great, huh?). It had, for the time, a really big LCD screen (monochrome, of course), but with a viewing angle that could be measured on the fingers of one hand. So much as twitch your head, and you'd lose the display among the general murkiness of the LCD. This would be a while ago - 1985 or thereabouts???
Hey Metcalfe, what's the problem? Did your doctor take you off your medication? Or maybe you've finally realized that nobody gives a shit anymore that you invented Ethernet (I like the "From the Ether" touch, I really do - classy), so you decide to dump the contents of your intestinal tract all over a technology that might be older, if you ignore the fact that UN*X has evolved considerably from its PDP-8 days?
Well, shit, just let me bend over here so that good ole Bill Gates and his merry band of crack whores - sorry, I mean Visual Basic programmers - can teach me what a REAL OS is like. (I guess one of the conditions for a real OS is that it be several million lines of largely untested code running a whole bunch of integrated applications to suck up all that nasty old CPU power - oh, and it has to be several years late, too.)
Maybe you get a boost to your self-esteem by pulling this kind of bullshit, but why don't you go masturbate somewhere a little more private? I know I sure don't want to see someone expose their complete and total idiocy so flagrantly.
Home users don't want to have to call in a child prodigy with a Jolt addiction to get things done.
As opposed to the mentally underdeveloped drooling morons who masquerade as MSCEs?
Almost anyone who has little knowledge of computers has to call in someone once in a while to fix problems, no matter what the OS. If Linux is set up right to begin with (just the way vendors set up preinstalled Win98), there's no reason a Linux user can't do whatever they could do in Windows.
I mean, f'Chrissake, I've seen too many Windows lusers who can't even set up a printer not to be scornful of the attitude that "Linux is too difficult for the average user." The average user has trouble with their VTR, let alone a PC of any type, shape, shade or form.
Since moving to Linux and building my own machines, I've owned the following cards:
S3 VirgeDX 4MB + K6@200MHz - Slight hardware incompatibility with MB, speed not so bad
Matrox Millenium II 8MB + MMXPentium@233MHz - Great card, great speed (for 2D, anyway)
Matrox Mystique 220 4MB + 21064A@275MHz - Slow window movement, otherwise not too bad (mainly the fault of the Alpha driver, I think)
Matrox G200 8MB SGRAM + PII@400MHzx2 - Excellent speed, 3D support is gradually getting better
And now I know what my next card is going to be...
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Um... to upgrade Slackware 3.6 for 2.2.x, I compiled maybe two packages (and I think they may not have even been necessary). Everything else is from the original install.
Hell, most of the video cards I own have "Only for sale in North America" or whatever on them. And they were all bought in Akihabara, electronics capital of Japan;)
Anybody know what kind of processors the Hitachi supercomputers at #4 (128 processors) and #12 (64 processors) get? They seem to be the fastest per-processor for LINPACK...
He's talking about the/proc filesystem. It allows you to activate features that have been compiled into the kernel but which are not started automatically. As examples, I currently have these lines in rc.local:
You're in luck. Last time I mentioned queso on/., I was asked the same thing, so I put a copy up on my site. Grab it from here. (It's a bit old, I know.)
Well, I did say that it might be a remote host - but remote hosting services usually have a fatter connection...
And while it is true that it's better to have a Linux site on a BSD box than no Linux site at all, the whole idea of advocacy is to use your OS of preference in situations that will show it in its best light. A Web server is an excellent application for a Linux box; what's wrong with saying so? Especially for a relatively high-profile site like LinuxHQ? (Hey, I have nothing against NetBSD - I'm running NetBSD/mac68k on a Quadra 700 next to me right now.)
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Wow, they weren't even trying to make this believable. If this is a real company, it must be run by some pretty kooky people.
Average Humanity must be, on the intelligence scale, the equivalent of a "low grade moron" compared with wherever this device's design came from.
Yeah, and you'd have to be a "low grade moron" to believe any of this crap. I especially like the picture of the wafer - it's just a coin with the face doctored in a paint program. Not to mention the relabelled PII.
But come to think of it, wih the recent rush of "vapor" products from Silicon Valley, if these guys held an IPO I'd be willing to bet that some idiot with a pile of cash would be drooling to climb on board...
>Slackware all the way, baby.
;)
You said it, m'friend. Slackware rocks.
And I'm also impressed about how you managed to twist a story about lightsabers into a distribution troll
Sorry, your 'slivers+magnet' idea wouldn't work - metals lose their sensitivity to magnetic fields when they're heated up (iron wonks out at around 700-800C, I think), so even if you relied on air resistance to heat up the slivers instead of pre-heating them, they wouldn't be pulled back in by the magnet. Of course, you could always just forget about pulling them back - then you'd have a rather cool rail gun, which would be much more effective than any light saber.
Ok.. I'm getting sick of you people whining about how they show their bench marks. Just take 100 off of it and stop your bitching.
...remember the test systems are even fully optumized yet for this chip.
As opposed to whining about people whining about the graphs?
I presume you mean "aren't"...
But I feel the 2nd batch should be alot better and the support will be alot better in the hardware and software areas.
And I feel that you would look better with a telephone pole stuffed up your ass. Doesn't make it come true, though (more's the pity).
Also note that the 600's will overclockable to 700 mhz.
And where did you get that information? Too much crack can do nasty things to your brainstem.
Note this too, you will be able to do 8 meg of cache, better marks with that much cache, and you can do 16 way processing.
When they actually have the chipsets taht can handle these features available, you mean. Even AMD won't give a firm date for SMP, and the 8M cache version is gonna take a lot more moola than what you steal^H^H^H^H^Hearn.
Now if AMD wanted to kick some ass in the field, the would give 100% linux support.
And in what way do they not support Linux, moron? It's an i386 chip; that's supported. It has 3DNow; that's supported (not by AMD, but hey, it's a compiler problem). What else do you want?
I think I stated my point fairly concisely, and if you think that my comment was a flame, you've got a lot to learn about /.
The point of the GPL is not to prevent use of GPL'd software with proprietary software, but to prevent CHANGES to GPL'd software being made proprietary. As I said, if you read earlier comments you would probably have been able to figure that out. If Microworkz made changes to GPL'd code to get it to work on the iToaster without making the changes available in source form, this is a breach of the GPL.
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Some of the things I'm about to say might strike you as unkind. I'm sorry, but the abysmal cluelessness of your comment almost begs for a reaming. I'll try and be gentle.
1) The GPL should be included with any piece of GPL'ed software. Go read it again.
2) Repeat step 1 a few times.
3) Richard Stallman wrote the GPL. Don't worry about asking him; I'm sure he'll let us know his opinion about this whole mess soon.
4) GPL'd code IS NOT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. Repeat this statement until it sinks in.
5) You seem to be misinterpreting the GPL with regard to distribution. Inhouse changes to GPL'd code do not need to be distributed, but if the binaries are available to anyone other than yourself ("yourself" in this case might refer to an entity such as a corporation), YOU MUST DISTRIBUTE YOUR CHANGES IN SOURCE FORM TO ANYONE WHO REQUESTS THEM. Clear enough?
6) The GPL is not wrong or spurious. You are wrong. Go back to step 1 again.
Nobody really knows what Microworkz has done yet; save your breath until we find out. It might have helped if you had bothered to read other people's comments before posting your own. Keep this in mind for future reference.
As far as I'm aware, it should already be fairly close, as EV6 was originally used for Alphas - and the Linux kernel supports Alpha SMP.
Of course, the chipset is different, so it might take a little while to get a working kernel, but don't be surprised if it's available before you actually see an K7 SMP system.
If you're thinking of the same thing that I am, that would be the One (that's the name of the laptop - One. Great, huh?). It had, for the time, a really big LCD screen (monochrome, of course), but with a viewing angle that could be measured on the fingers of one hand. So much as twitch your head, and you'd lose the display among the general murkiness of the LCD. This would be a while ago - 1985 or thereabouts???
[FLAME ON]
Hey Metcalfe, what's the problem? Did your doctor take you off your medication? Or maybe you've finally realized that nobody gives a shit anymore that you invented Ethernet (I like the "From the Ether" touch, I really do - classy), so you decide to dump the contents of your intestinal tract all over a technology that might be older, if you ignore the fact that UN*X has evolved considerably from its PDP-8 days?
Well, shit, just let me bend over here so that good ole Bill Gates and his merry band of crack whores - sorry, I mean Visual Basic programmers - can teach me what a REAL OS is like. (I guess one of the conditions for a real OS is that it be several million lines of largely untested code running a whole bunch of integrated applications to suck up all that nasty old CPU power - oh, and it has to be several years late, too.)
Maybe you get a boost to your self-esteem by pulling this kind of bullshit, but why don't you go masturbate somewhere a little more private? I know I sure don't want to see someone expose their complete and total idiocy so flagrantly.
[FLAME OFF]
So I had a bad day at work - sue me.
Home users don't want to have to call in a child prodigy with a Jolt addiction to get things done.
As opposed to the mentally underdeveloped drooling morons who masquerade as MSCEs?
Almost anyone who has little knowledge of computers has to call in someone once in a while to fix problems, no matter what the OS. If Linux is set up right to begin with (just the way vendors set up preinstalled Win98), there's no reason a Linux user can't do whatever they could do in Windows.
I mean, f'Chrissake, I've seen too many Windows lusers who can't even set up a printer not to be scornful of the attitude that "Linux is too difficult for the average user." The average user has trouble with their VTR, let alone a PC of any type, shape, shade or form.
They got the title wrong - it should have been called "Prats of Silicon Valley"
Since moving to Linux and building my own machines, I've owned the following cards:
S3 VirgeDX 4MB + K6@200MHz - Slight hardware incompatibility with MB, speed not so bad
Matrox Millenium II 8MB + MMXPentium@233MHz - Great card, great speed (for 2D, anyway)
Matrox Mystique 220 4MB + 21064A@275MHz - Slow window movement, otherwise not too bad (mainly the fault of the Alpha driver, I think)
Matrox G200 8MB SGRAM + PII@400MHzx2 - Excellent speed, 3D support is gradually getting better
And now I know what my next card is going to be...
Um... to upgrade Slackware 3.6 for 2.2.x, I compiled maybe two packages (and I think they may not have even been necessary). Everything else is from the original install.
I think he's trying to say that it's been a lot more than 72 hours since he last upgraded his kernel...
Hell, most of the video cards I own have "Only for sale in North America" or whatever on them. And they were all bought in Akihabara, electronics capital of Japan
Use the "cypherpunk" login, Luke...
Did you never stop to think that with Mesa, the free software community is in a good position to embrace-and-extend OpenGL?
I think you'll find that they're protecting a particular implementation of an API, as opposed to the API itself.
About the only way I can think of to protect an API is to trademark the function calls...;)
I might be mistaken, but I think I saw some I2C stuff going into the BTTV code in 2.3.6, so it may not be too long before it does work...
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Anybody know what kind of processors the Hitachi supercomputers at #4 (128 processors) and #12 (64 processors) get? They seem to be the fastest per-processor for LINPACK...
He's talking about the /proc filesystem. It allows you to activate features that have been compiled into the kernel but which are not started automatically. As examples, I currently have these lines in rc.local:
/proc/mtrr
# Start SCSI logging
echo "scsi log error 1" >/proc/scsi/scsi
echo "scsi log scan 1" >/proc/scsi/scsi
# Set up MTRR for X
echo "Activating MTRR for video card..."
echo "base=0xf6000000 size=0x800000 type=write-combining" >
# Set up IP forwarding
echo "Starting packet forwarding..."
echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
# Start SYN cookies
echo "Activating SYN cookies..."
echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies
You're in luck. Last time I mentioned queso on
Well, I did say that it might be a remote host - but remote hosting services usually have a fatter connection...
And while it is true that it's better to have a Linux site on a BSD box than no Linux site at all, the whole idea of advocacy is to use your OS of preference in situations that will show it in its best light. A Web server is an excellent application for a Linux box; what's wrong with saying so? Especially for a relatively high-profile site like LinuxHQ? (Hey, I have nothing against NetBSD - I'm running NetBSD/mac68k on a Quadra 700 next to me right now.)
Oops - linuxhq.com is down as of 1am JST... Time for a switch to T1 perhaps?