Shit, as long as they include the sources on CD they are abiding by the GPL. Somebody'll have to pay for 'em, but then they can be distributed as seen fit to the community. Nothing in the GPL says that you have to make sources available. Only by distributing binaries derived from GPL's code do you have to make the sources available, and then only to the purchasers. They can do whatever the heck they want with that code, though.
The other idea I think that manufacturers are having is that a great many people will simply order a new PC when theirs stops working.
This creates a revinue stream for the manufacturers. So does charging 20 bucks for a restore CD (one of which I will be forced to purchase sooner than later.)
Apple Update, July 20 2003 - Combined French Update.
To continue offering the French our products, we grepped the French localization for the word e-mail and changed it to curriel. However, we accidentally broke off that little penis that you guys sometimes dangle from your ç's.
Unless they are in a work of Orwellian fiction - governments have no business telling their populations what words they can and cannot use.
Well said. However, I think that governments must maintain a singular official language if at all possible. In America we have a lot of people here from different parts of the world (in some places anyway, the rest is crackertown;>) . If everyone didn't learn and speak English, big cities would be so much more of an unbelieveable clusterfuck that I would have to go live in the woods somewhere. My point is that English glues together Amreica, for better or for worse. I have never been anywhere in Canada but BC before, but I like it.
I don't know it the Viking colonies were ill-fated. In Minnesota we have this Runestone, which may or may not be a hoax, and more importantly, we had a group of 'Native Americans' living up there and in Michigan, WI, and parts of Canada, who were fair-skinned and fair-haired, had blue and green eyes, and often lived in walled, barricaded villages with nicely laid out street plans and wells and houses and such. In other words, completely unlike most other indians.
With the source code available, most any application is portable between x86 and PPC. I do it manually all the time. I'm sure IBM could pay some monkeys to do it too.
Linux WILL NEVER BE NATIVE on the ppc as long as more than 50%
I'm sorry, did you hit the crack a little hard perhaps? You would probably never consider Linux to be native on Alpha, MIPS, HP-PA, 680x0, Sparc, ARM, or IBM mainframes either.
The truth is that Linux is 'native' on all these and more.
BTW, I think that your BTW to the previous poster is hilarious and probably unintentionally ironic. I have used ported software, and most can toungue my sack from across the continent.
Among the secrets the chinese were sold is the microminiaturized nuclear warhead. Soda can size. Don't forget Bush's gift to them, as well. Remember a certain spy plane that disobeyed orders to ditch at sea and instead landed at a remote Chinese airfield? That was on Bush's time.
I have found all my federal senators and congresspeople to be generally nice folks who actually make themswlves personally available. It's the state legislators who are bitchy and unreliable, at least in the cities.
Never. The other stuff aside from Darwin is closed and will likely remain so. They are reimplemented in GNUstep fairly completely today. It isn't just possible, but rather trivial to port from one to the other if that is a design factor.
Darwin, however, is both open source and Free Software.
After all, when they went to BSD, they inherited most all the apps and filters from Linux too.
OS X is based on Rhapsody, which was Openstep 5.0, which was based on OpenStep 4, which was based on Nextstep 3.3, and all but OS X trace their lineage to BSD 4.3 (IIRC). OS X is based off FreeBSD, which too traces its lineage to BSD 4.4. The new Panther is supposedly based off FreeBSD 5.x series, which almost gives me wood. Linux never really gave much to Apple. Apple did, however, port Linux to a great many Macs though, and gave that project to the community.
Apple is indebted to the FSF for its use of GCC, like Next was before it, and generally has played really well with the community in recent years.
I suppose you could always try Debian FreeBSD and see how you get along.
Bleargh!slosh * Excuse me.
That was the sound of my guts hitting the floor. The only time I have ever puked harder than that was when somebody suggested the Hurd for getting actual work done.
I don't think that either the Debian or Red Hat solutions offer anywhere near the ease of use or level of control that Ports offers.
It just so happens that each user has a different clip... and the software is intelligent enough to piece them back together into one music file instead of me having to do it by hand;)
I'm not going to kill this person, I'm going to pull a lever that rotates a gear that kicks a boot into a cow, making her angry enough to kill the stablehand.
Net result is the same, and the intent was the same.
The Hurd isn't just 'not quite ready for prime-time', it's 'not quite even close to a usable, installable, and comfortable os.' If there is another software project that has been so terminally behind scedule, I'd like to know what it is.
You could get the same effect by buying a chip that's twice as fast
On a Unix or Unix-like OS, performance on a DP machine would 'feel' much faster than on a uniprocessor machine at twice the speed. Maybe running benchmarks would show more work being done by the single processor machine, but because a lot of the time under heavy load you wait() a lot on a uniprocessor, versus the DP probably wait()ing less. A Mac already 'feels' faster than an Intel box running a Unix-like OS because the default timeslice on the PPC is 1/10000th of a second instead of 1/1000th. Those of you who poo-poo the importance of the default timeslice need to read your 'Design and Implementation of the 4.4BSD OS' by McKusick et al. again.
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Shit, as long as they include the sources on CD they are abiding by the GPL. Somebody'll have to pay for 'em, but then they can be distributed as seen fit to the community. Nothing in the GPL says that you have to make sources available. Only by distributing binaries derived from GPL's code do you have to make the sources available, and then only to the purchasers. They can do whatever the heck they want with that code, though.
The other idea I think that manufacturers are having is that a great many people will simply order a new PC when theirs stops working.
This creates a revinue stream for the manufacturers. So does charging 20 bucks for a restore CD (one of which I will be forced to purchase sooner than later.)
Apple Update, July 20 2003 - Combined French Update.
To continue offering the French our products, we grepped the French localization for the word e-mail and changed it to curriel. However, we accidentally broke off that little penis that you guys sometimes dangle from your ç's.
Love, Steve Jobs.
Unless you don't count anything north or west of France as part of Europe, I'd hardly call Europe as a whole 'latin-based.'
Unless they are in a work of Orwellian fiction - governments have no business telling their populations what words they can and cannot use.
;>) . If everyone didn't learn and speak English, big cities would be so much more of an unbelieveable clusterfuck that I would have to go live in the woods somewhere. My point is that English glues together Amreica, for better or for worse. I have never been anywhere in Canada but BC before, but I like it.
Well said. However, I think that governments must maintain a singular official language if at all possible. In America we have a lot of people here from different parts of the world (in some places anyway, the rest is crackertown
I don't know it the Viking colonies were ill-fated. In Minnesota we have this Runestone, which may or may not be a hoax, and more importantly, we had a group of 'Native Americans' living up there and in Michigan, WI, and parts of Canada, who were fair-skinned and fair-haired, had blue and green eyes, and often lived in walled, barricaded villages with nicely laid out street plans and wells and houses and such. In other words, completely unlike most other indians.
I know it as Romanji. You know, for ROMAN.
I think of an especially crappy loudspeaker designed and built at the citroen factory.
Yeech!
Holy CRAP! 32 Kw of cache? It must have high-torque RAM and a viscous differential to handle that kind of cache!
Especially MAYA!!!!
With the source code available, most any application is portable between x86 and PPC. I do it manually all the time. I'm sure IBM could pay some monkeys to do it too.
Linux WILL NEVER BE NATIVE on the ppc as long as more than 50%
I'm sorry, did you hit the crack a little hard perhaps? You would probably never consider Linux to be native on Alpha, MIPS, HP-PA, 680x0, Sparc, ARM, or IBM mainframes either.
The truth is that Linux is 'native' on all these and more.
BTW, I think that your BTW to the previous poster is hilarious and probably unintentionally ironic. I have used ported software, and most can toungue my sack from across the continent.
Does Visual Age for C++ even DO objective-c?
Among the secrets the chinese were sold is the microminiaturized nuclear warhead. Soda can size. Don't forget Bush's gift to them, as well. Remember a certain spy plane that disobeyed orders to ditch at sea and instead landed at a remote Chinese airfield? That was on Bush's time.
I have found all my federal senators and congresspeople to be generally nice folks who actually make themswlves personally available. It's the state legislators who are bitchy and unreliable, at least in the cities.
Never. The other stuff aside from Darwin is closed and will likely remain so. They are reimplemented in GNUstep fairly completely today. It isn't just possible, but rather trivial to port from one to the other if that is a design factor.
Darwin, however, is both open source and Free Software.
After all, when they went to BSD, they inherited most all the apps and filters from Linux too.
OS X is based on Rhapsody, which was Openstep 5.0, which was based on OpenStep 4, which was based on Nextstep 3.3, and all but OS X trace their lineage to BSD 4.3 (IIRC). OS X is based off FreeBSD, which too traces its lineage to BSD 4.4. The new Panther is supposedly based off FreeBSD 5.x series, which almost gives me wood. Linux never really gave much to Apple. Apple did, however, port Linux to a great many Macs though, and gave that project to the community.
Apple is indebted to the FSF for its use of GCC, like Next was before it, and generally has played really well with the community in recent years.
I suppose you could always try Debian FreeBSD and see how you get along.
Bleargh! slosh * Excuse me.
That was the sound of my guts hitting the floor. The only time I have ever puked harder than that was when somebody suggested the Hurd for getting actual work done.
I don't think that either the Debian or Red Hat solutions offer anywhere near the ease of use or level of control that Ports offers.
It just so happens that each user has a different clip... and the software is intelligent enough to piece them back together into one music file instead of me having to do it by hand ;)
I'm not going to kill this person, I'm going to pull a lever that rotates a gear that kicks a boot into a cow, making her angry enough to kill the stablehand.
Net result is the same, and the intent was the same.
No, I was modded Troll. I was trolling, too. That doesn't make my comment any less true.
If you really NEED 24/7/365 availability, you have redundant computers. If you only have one computer, you don't really need 5 9's of reliablilty.
99.999% uptime can be had without vendor support. It just takes some planning.
The Hurd isn't just 'not quite ready for prime-time', it's 'not quite even close to a usable, installable, and comfortable os.' If there is another software project that has been so terminally behind scedule, I'd like to know what it is.
desktop environment (Gnome)
I think you meant to type KDE there.
f I _had_ to I could learn to live with a FreeBSD kernel
You obviously haven't tried FreeBSD. It's like a debugged, easier to use, faster Gentoo.
I thought Java 2.0 came out like a couple years ago already! Why are we still worried about Java (1)?
Oh, you mean to tell me that Java 2 is really just Java 1.3?
Fucking retards at Sun.
Or maybe the G5 is just spanking the shit out of the Pentium, as a better designed processor on a faster bus should.
Is it really that impossible to believe?
You could get the same effect by buying a chip that's twice as fast
On a Unix or Unix-like OS, performance on a DP machine would 'feel' much faster than on a uniprocessor machine at twice the speed. Maybe running benchmarks would show more work being done by the single processor machine, but because a lot of the time under heavy load you wait() a lot on a uniprocessor, versus the DP probably wait()ing less. A Mac already 'feels' faster than an Intel box running a Unix-like OS because the default timeslice on the PPC is 1/10000th of a second instead of 1/1000th. Those of you who poo-poo the importance of the default timeslice need to read your 'Design and Implementation of the 4.4BSD OS' by McKusick et al. again.