tbh I hope the media treats him just the same as bush for messing up and examine him like they did with clinton as well. It'd be fun to watch Olbermann going "WTH is wrong with you?!" Though, I dont hold out a great hope for seeing that.
I'm not sure why we are all worried about this whole socialist charge. We as a nation have been implementing socialist changes very steadily. My taxes, and everyone else's pay for medicare and medicaid and social security and welfare and foodstamps, etc. etc. etc. There are people out there that abuse the system just to get the state to pay their way. We honestly don't have far to go before this is a socialist nation, hell we maybe already. We certainly are not a nation where everyone just takes personal responsibility for them selves. Granted a lot of people do, but so too do a lot of people think, "The government will help me out". This nation ran for more than a century with out income taxes, with out social security, with out medicare, with out any of this.
Do we need it now? I have no idea personally. Maybe we do. France, the UK, Canada and many other nations do well with socialized health care. Maybe there is something to it all. Who knows?
I'm all for getting rid of all of our welfare programs, getting rid of SS and the rest of it. I should say that I'm young enough that I will never see SS pay me a dime. I make enough money that I do not qualify for any assistance programs. So really getting rid of all of that would be doing me a favor, I'd have more money by the end of every year. I'd be able to afford my own health care then and provide for my own retirement too. It's kinda hard to do so for myself and my family as well as doling out a chunk to everyone else out there too.
A lot of physicists fail to see the difference between a sphere and a cow. Granted for a certain level of abstraction you're both correct. If you get caught up in all those details, well I could see a few people having some trouble with the association.
you already are working to support deadbeats, all those people on medicare and medicade, all those people on wellfare, food stamps, heap and dozens of other government programs that hand out cash hand over fist solely because you have way too many kids for you to be able to support or are unable to rise higher in the world than cashier at your local mc donalds. I've met people who freely admit that they got knocked up just to collect a government check. Was it 50cent or dirty 'ol bastard who was still collecting his welfare check after selling a million albums? picked it up in a limo iirc.
the largest problem with interfering with a free market economy is hinted at in your post i think. when you step in once you will have to keep on stepping in to correct the system. there will never be any slight guiding touches and watch the boat correct its self, it will always weave back and forth. we're quite fortunate that the markets have been as stable as they have been. these past weeks with the dow looking like a roller coaster ride that i lost me lunch on once really illustrates how much variation there can be given even just the slightest turbulence in the system. We will never have a true free market economy, we're too addicted to IP being real and to patents and to local monopolies. Any change to the system now would be really hard on all of us now, with no real guarantee that a completely free market will behave well.
you own the box, it is in your physical control. solder in some lines to where the signal isn't blocked. add your own line out before the drm hardware gets to it.
You can not give a bank vault full of money to thieves and leave them alone with it. They WILL eventually break into it.
Someone will find a way around the hardware and that information will get out. Last I checked there is no DRM on sheets of paper and pencils.
Voluntary handicaps would be a very interesting thing to see. Arena really should be a place for skill, maybe give every player a set of standard arena gear so that everyone is in comparable gear.
There are a dozen ways you could fix just that one instance of pvp play.
I have noticed in many rpg's there are some inconstancies in the variables of power. Most notably in Oblivion. The guards are always stronger than you. all the monsters level up to your level. Bandits in the country side level up with you. If every bandit is running around in a set of armor that's worth as much as a house I think they really need to get down to the pawn shop and the Guards need to get together and beat the hell out of what ever it is that is threatening the world, 'cause they obviously have a better training routine than me.
I do like that idea though. I would be wild to go "Wooo I just kicked his ass in greens!"
I personally think the Bigger Guns With Experience metaphor is slightly broken. You don't reward the Good Stuff after you finish the adventure, really.
I can agree with this. For instance take WoW's Arena. The higher your ranking the better you are as a player and the better gear you get to give you a game advantage over other players. This doesn't quite seem right. If we all are to have fun why are you giving the biggest guns to the guys who have already proven that they are the best in terms of skill on a semi even playing field?
All you are doing, in at least the instance of WoW Arena, is making it easier for those at the top to stay there. While they should get prestige and rewards and such for getting to the top, shouldn't they be able to stay at the top because of skill? and not because they were a bit better than the teams they played and got better eq, which let them beat more teams which gets them even more good equipment which lets them beat everyone?
Write to your News Papers, Write to your representatives, Talk with everyone you can about this. Make this an issue not just for your self but for everyone you come into contact with. Physically go to what ever meetings they have any where they may be to discuss this and talk about it. Don't be an ass about it, be respectful and humble, but above all get out there and get stuff like this known to the general public. Let everyone know this is a make or break issue. Hell if you can personally meet some of your representatives and talk with them that'd be great. Exhaust every option you have. Express that this technical solution can be, and will be worked around. Find some people who can demonstrate how easy it is to work around it. Show everyone how futile it is. Demonstrate how this will filter out good websites as well as bad ones.
If this gets through then some civil disobedience is in order. Circumvent the filter your self. Show everyone you can how to do so as well. Encourage everyone you can to circumvent it. Don't do it in secret, that kind of defeats the thought of civil disobedience. Take your governments punches. As horrible as this sounds, Make your self a martyr for free speech. Be as loud as possible.
Talk to those in power, talk with newspapers/media people, talk with every common person you can.
a free market solution may work here IF and ONLY IF they get rid of the regional monopoly that exists in most places in the US. I live in a metropolitan area with 100k in the area. Not huge by any means but a good number of people. And yet we have only one cable operator, No FIOS, and DSL available to maybe 15% - 30% (ballpark guess, the main city area only has about 50k in it, most of the population is in the suburbs and iirc the telco station is downtown and getting dsl to stretch the 3-4 miles to the burbs is a bit hard.) of the population in the area, oh and theres that point to point radio link, I think some people still have it.
so my choices are 8mbit cable, the point to point radio (about 500Kbit/s iirc) and thats it. Even though i live in the city proper i'm too far out for dsl apparently (I just checked). So those are my options. And thats not going to change unless Verzion decides to bring FIOS to my area.
In a free market someone prolly would set up another cable shop and offer me movies and blazingly fast internet access. But its not really a free market, is it?
If Telco's and Cable both want to do with their lines as they wish and let the free market do that talking then they need to loose the regional monopolies. Then I think that there wouldnt be any need to talk about net neutrality. If Time Warner decided that they weren't going to let me go to google for some reason then I could cancel my account and get cable with whom ever was their competitor, or if there wasnt a competitor I could set up shop and compete. But as it stands if you deregulate and say that the providers can filter their networks as they want, can allow only what they want to pass through their pipes, then if Time Warner says google isn't accessible through their services I can do what? Cancel my service and go to their competitor? the radio link guys with 1/16th the speed? Wow a ton of options there.
You can't have a free market run without it being completely free, or at least mostly free.
also, as I understand it, most of the lines that telco's use, i'm not as sure as the cable companies, were paid for by tax payers. That would mean that they really wouldn't be "their lines" would it?
I believe you Aussies get the short end of the stick. Granted I tend to only hear 2nd hand info on how much more you pay for things that here in the States or the UK cost much less. You guys down in oz deserve better than getting bandwidth trickled to you and american tv shows showing up months after release here and especially deserve games that cost comparable to what it costs here in the states.
But I'm just a self indulgent wanker who preaches about freedom without doing anything about it ^_^
I was commenting more on an account being metered by each and every single byte, not necessarily geared towards what exactly TFA was speaking about.
My point would be that a lot of the internet is geared towards unlimited usage. And its only going to get worse.
I don't think the electricity bit is a good example. Sure its metered, but it didn't start with an un-metered system where every device and service that used it never took concern over how much electricity it used and then have all the utilities move to a metered approach.
Alos the 250GB/month is only comcast, Time Warner (my provider) is test driving 40GB/month plus $1/GB after that.
While I do come across as alarmist I do so only to draw attention to the thought that we shouldn't be jumping into this. The internet has exploded because it is so wild and free, both in regulations and with cost. If everyone blocks ads because no one wants to pay to be advertised to then slashdot here wouldn't survive long. Neither would the Times or half a dozen other websites that survive solely/mostly on ad revenue.
I am quite concerned about the chilling effect something like this would have on the future development of the internet.
My last thought is on sizes of files. When I installed Diablo 2 way back in the day (like only 8 years ago) I thought a 1.5GB install was insane and yet today my wow install has to be around 6 or 7 GB. I sold a digital camera in 99 that used a floppy disk to store the photo's, today you couldn't store one picture on 3 floppies.
I agree, in general people's unsafe behaviors are what cause viruses. My thoughts are for a base line of 90% of people out there. They don't know enough not to click on stuff their not supposed to.
another random thought for all of that, no one will run seti @ home or folding @ home, well I wouldn't if I had to pay for the bandwidth for it to get the data to my house and back out again. Right now those distributed computing projects live in the excess bandwidth that really doesn't cost me, or anyone else anything extra. Just a thought.
Metering bandwidth raises a few questions about what should be transferred over the internet. If your paying per byte then all of those flash heavy advertisements are suddenly costing you money. you are then paying to be advertised to. who wants that? What happens when your computer gets a virus and starts to send out gigabytes of email spam? Who's liable for that? How about when windows decides to update its self with that sexy new 500MB patch? Or when WoW releases a new patch and you have to pay for the 800MB-1.5GB patch for that game?
Metering bandwidth now when the internet depends on having an unlimited connection would truly stifle growth of not just the internet, of all computer software.
When people have to think, gee do I pay for the bandwidth for this massive patch to my OS/Email Client/Office Suite/Game/Misc App, then everyone looses. Too many people would make their systems not update, and leave themselves vulnerable to attacks if given that sort of choice.
Carried to its logical extreme bandwidth metering can be pretty scary.
Corrrect me if i'm wrong but the domain does not exist error page isn't a 404 error right? I thought 404 was the error for when a web server couldn't find the page you requested for it, not for the dns error.
when i first read TFS I thought, wth? what if i have a custom 404 page on my website?
I actually had to RTFA to figure out if they were honest to god hijacking web servers 404 pages.
your assuming that ship B started within the observable horizon, if ship B started outside and has always been outside the observable horizon then the navel analogy fits fine.
Slashdot Mirror
tbh I hope the media treats him just the same as bush for messing up and examine him like they did with clinton as well. It'd be fun to watch Olbermann going "WTH is wrong with you?!" Though, I dont hold out a great hope for seeing that.
I'm not sure why we are all worried about this whole socialist charge. We as a nation have been implementing socialist changes very steadily. My taxes, and everyone else's pay for medicare and medicaid and social security and welfare and foodstamps, etc. etc. etc. There are people out there that abuse the system just to get the state to pay their way. We honestly don't have far to go before this is a socialist nation, hell we maybe already. We certainly are not a nation where everyone just takes personal responsibility for them selves. Granted a lot of people do, but so too do a lot of people think, "The government will help me out". This nation ran for more than a century with out income taxes, with out social security, with out medicare, with out any of this.
Do we need it now? I have no idea personally. Maybe we do. France, the UK, Canada and many other nations do well with socialized health care. Maybe there is something to it all. Who knows?
I'm all for getting rid of all of our welfare programs, getting rid of SS and the rest of it. I should say that I'm young enough that I will never see SS pay me a dime. I make enough money that I do not qualify for any assistance programs. So really getting rid of all of that would be doing me a favor, I'd have more money by the end of every year. I'd be able to afford my own health care then and provide for my own retirement too. It's kinda hard to do so for myself and my family as well as doling out a chunk to everyone else out there too.
~z
oddly, i want to see the work on that. i'm not terribly well versed in topology, so please small words ^^.
A lot of physicists fail to see the difference between a sphere and a cow. Granted for a certain level of abstraction you're both correct. If you get caught up in all those details, well I could see a few people having some trouble with the association.
you already are working to support deadbeats, all those people on medicare and medicade, all those people on wellfare, food stamps, heap and dozens of other government programs that hand out cash hand over fist solely because you have way too many kids for you to be able to support or are unable to rise higher in the world than cashier at your local mc donalds. I've met people who freely admit that they got knocked up just to collect a government check. Was it 50cent or dirty 'ol bastard who was still collecting his welfare check after selling a million albums? picked it up in a limo iirc.
the largest problem with interfering with a free market economy is hinted at in your post i think. when you step in once you will have to keep on stepping in to correct the system. there will never be any slight guiding touches and watch the boat correct its self, it will always weave back and forth. we're quite fortunate that the markets have been as stable as they have been. these past weeks with the dow looking like a roller coaster ride that i lost me lunch on once really illustrates how much variation there can be given even just the slightest turbulence in the system. We will never have a true free market economy, we're too addicted to IP being real and to patents and to local monopolies. Any change to the system now would be really hard on all of us now, with no real guarantee that a completely free market will behave well.
you own the box, it is in your physical control. solder in some lines to where the signal isn't blocked. add your own line out before the drm hardware gets to it.
You can not give a bank vault full of money to thieves and leave them alone with it. They WILL eventually break into it.
Someone will find a way around the hardware and that information will get out. Last I checked there is no DRM on sheets of paper and pencils.
Funny, I just passed by some article someplace saying the exact opposite. mmm where was that?
vote one party into the white house and the other into congress in the hopes that they spend more time bickering than doing anything..
Sounds like something that Heinlien thought of in the Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
Voluntary handicaps would be a very interesting thing to see. Arena really should be a place for skill, maybe give every player a set of standard arena gear so that everyone is in comparable gear.
There are a dozen ways you could fix just that one instance of pvp play.
I have noticed in many rpg's there are some inconstancies in the variables of power. Most notably in Oblivion. The guards are always stronger than you. all the monsters level up to your level. Bandits in the country side level up with you. If every bandit is running around in a set of armor that's worth as much as a house I think they really need to get down to the pawn shop and the Guards need to get together and beat the hell out of what ever it is that is threatening the world, 'cause they obviously have a better training routine than me.
I do like that idea though. I would be wild to go "Wooo I just kicked his ass in greens!"
I personally think the Bigger Guns With Experience metaphor is slightly broken. You don't reward the Good Stuff after you finish the adventure, really.
I can agree with this. For instance take WoW's Arena. The higher your ranking the better you are as a player and the better gear you get to give you a game advantage over other players. This doesn't quite seem right. If we all are to have fun why are you giving the biggest guns to the guys who have already proven that they are the best in terms of skill on a semi even playing field?
All you are doing, in at least the instance of WoW Arena, is making it easier for those at the top to stay there. While they should get prestige and rewards and such for getting to the top, shouldn't they be able to stay at the top because of skill? and not because they were a bit better than the teams they played and got better eq, which let them beat more teams which gets them even more good equipment which lets them beat everyone?
It just snow balls.
Write to your News Papers, Write to your representatives, Talk with everyone you can about this. Make this an issue not just for your self but for everyone you come into contact with. Physically go to what ever meetings they have any where they may be to discuss this and talk about it. Don't be an ass about it, be respectful and humble, but above all get out there and get stuff like this known to the general public. Let everyone know this is a make or break issue. Hell if you can personally meet some of your representatives and talk with them that'd be great. Exhaust every option you have. Express that this technical solution can be, and will be worked around. Find some people who can demonstrate how easy it is to work around it. Show everyone how futile it is. Demonstrate how this will filter out good websites as well as bad ones.
If this gets through then some civil disobedience is in order. Circumvent the filter your self. Show everyone you can how to do so as well. Encourage everyone you can to circumvent it. Don't do it in secret, that kind of defeats the thought of civil disobedience. Take your governments punches. As horrible as this sounds, Make your self a martyr for free speech. Be as loud as possible.
Talk to those in power, talk with newspapers/media people, talk with every common person you can.
But That's Just My Opinion, I Could Be Wrong
~Z
this slashdot after all
It would be amazing if Sarah Palin voted for it, seeing as shes only a state governor and not a member of congress or the senate.
just one step closer to a stilsuit!
a free market solution may work here IF and ONLY IF they get rid of the regional monopoly that exists in most places in the US. I live in a metropolitan area with 100k in the area. Not huge by any means but a good number of people. And yet we have only one cable operator, No FIOS, and DSL available to maybe 15% - 30% (ballpark guess, the main city area only has about 50k in it, most of the population is in the suburbs and iirc the telco station is downtown and getting dsl to stretch the 3-4 miles to the burbs is a bit hard.) of the population in the area, oh and theres that point to point radio link, I think some people still have it.
so my choices are 8mbit cable, the point to point radio (about 500Kbit/s iirc) and thats it. Even though i live in the city proper i'm too far out for dsl apparently (I just checked). So those are my options. And thats not going to change unless Verzion decides to bring FIOS to my area.
In a free market someone prolly would set up another cable shop and offer me movies and blazingly fast internet access. But its not really a free market, is it?
If Telco's and Cable both want to do with their lines as they wish and let the free market do that talking then they need to loose the regional monopolies. Then I think that there wouldnt be any need to talk about net neutrality. If Time Warner decided that they weren't going to let me go to google for some reason then I could cancel my account and get cable with whom ever was their competitor, or if there wasnt a competitor I could set up shop and compete. But as it stands if you deregulate and say that the providers can filter their networks as they want, can allow only what they want to pass through their pipes, then if Time Warner says google isn't accessible through their services I can do what? Cancel my service and go to their competitor? the radio link guys with 1/16th the speed? Wow a ton of options there.
You can't have a free market run without it being completely free, or at least mostly free.
also, as I understand it, most of the lines that telco's use, i'm not as sure as the cable companies, were paid for by tax payers. That would mean that they really wouldn't be "their lines" would it?
Even better if the candidates were called on the facts while still talking about them
would you rather a bad car analogy?? ^_^
I believe you Aussies get the short end of the stick. Granted I tend to only hear 2nd hand info on how much more you pay for things that here in the States or the UK cost much less. You guys down in oz deserve better than getting bandwidth trickled to you and american tv shows showing up months after release here and especially deserve games that cost comparable to what it costs here in the states.
But I'm just a self indulgent wanker who preaches about freedom without doing anything about it ^_^
My point would be that a lot of the internet is geared towards unlimited usage. And its only going to get worse.
I don't think the electricity bit is a good example. Sure its metered, but it didn't start with an un-metered system where every device and service that used it never took concern over how much electricity it used and then have all the utilities move to a metered approach.
Alos the 250GB/month is only comcast, Time Warner (my provider) is test driving 40GB/month plus $1/GB after that.
While I do come across as alarmist I do so only to draw attention to the thought that we shouldn't be jumping into this. The internet has exploded because it is so wild and free, both in regulations and with cost. If everyone blocks ads because no one wants to pay to be advertised to then slashdot here wouldn't survive long. Neither would the Times or half a dozen other websites that survive solely/mostly on ad revenue.
I am quite concerned about the chilling effect something like this would have on the future development of the internet.
My last thought is on sizes of files. When I installed Diablo 2 way back in the day (like only 8 years ago) I thought a 1.5GB install was insane and yet today my wow install has to be around 6 or 7 GB. I sold a digital camera in 99 that used a floppy disk to store the photo's, today you couldn't store one picture on 3 floppies.
I agree, in general people's unsafe behaviors are what cause viruses. My thoughts are for a base line of 90% of people out there. They don't know enough not to click on stuff their not supposed to.
another random thought for all of that, no one will run seti @ home or folding @ home, well I wouldn't if I had to pay for the bandwidth for it to get the data to my house and back out again. Right now those distributed computing projects live in the excess bandwidth that really doesn't cost me, or anyone else anything extra. Just a thought.
~Z
Metering bandwidth raises a few questions about what should be transferred over the internet. If your paying per byte then all of those flash heavy advertisements are suddenly costing you money. you are then paying to be advertised to. who wants that? What happens when your computer gets a virus and starts to send out gigabytes of email spam? Who's liable for that? How about when windows decides to update its self with that sexy new 500MB patch? Or when WoW releases a new patch and you have to pay for the 800MB-1.5GB patch for that game?
Metering bandwidth now when the internet depends on having an unlimited connection would truly stifle growth of not just the internet, of all computer software.
When people have to think, gee do I pay for the bandwidth for this massive patch to my OS/Email Client/Office Suite/Game/Misc App, then everyone looses. Too many people would make their systems not update, and leave themselves vulnerable to attacks if given that sort of choice.
Carried to its logical extreme bandwidth metering can be pretty scary.
Thank you, now i'll be hearing that damned song echo in my skull for the next 5 hours. /sob
Corrrect me if i'm wrong but the domain does not exist error page isn't a 404 error right? I thought 404 was the error for when a web server couldn't find the page you requested for it, not for the dns error.
when i first read TFS I thought, wth? what if i have a custom 404 page on my website?
I actually had to RTFA to figure out if they were honest to god hijacking web servers 404 pages.
thankfully it seems they are not.
your assuming that ship B started within the observable horizon, if ship B started outside and has always been outside the observable horizon then the navel analogy fits fine.