There are posts that reference other threads where this was "already posted," but clicking those links leads you to a vBulletin "No thread specified" page. Presumably ZA has been deleting threads....
As a poster indicates, ZA was bought out by CheckPoint a few months ago. This scare tactic will probably backfire on them...
Why in the hell did someone at CheckPoint say to themselves "Wait a second... Gestapo style marketing that looks like a phishing scam sounds like a great idea!"
That's not really the complete story though... Commodore bought out MOS after they'd already made the 'lawsuit compatible' 6502...
"MOS Technology, Inc was a microprocessor manufacturing company founded by entrepreneurs leaving the Allen-Bradley company, most famous for its creation of the ubiquitous 6502 processor. It was acquired by Commodore International in September of 1976, and was brought into Commodore's umbrella subdivision Commodore Semiconductor Group (CSG)."
you find the most grotesque microsoft powerpoint like data crap: a half page picture that is a pie chart with two sectons (figure 4, page 9 in the pdf) Anyone who would put together such a bs piece of eye candy isn't competant to pound sand down a rathole, even if they do use their spellchecker
Have you ever briefed such a report to management? Management wants to see the 'bottom line' type of information, not piles of information packed into slides.
Pie charts are common on these types of high level reports... remember that managers are looking at this. To get into the nitty gritty and fix vulnerabilities (or invalidate scan findings if they're false positives) the Information Assurance techs would look at the actual Nessus scan findings, not the pretty pie chart (that's for management).
Hey, what do/., AM radio talk shows, and FOX News have in common? People like you!!!!!!
Oh come on now that's not fair... as I allude to in my reply to Jane Q., there are those even *inside* the DoD community who have the same preconceptions about FOSS "being insecure"....
Yup... and when the subject has been brought up by those spreading FUD at work about FOSS (I'm employed by DoD) I have busted out that very same memo and quoted from it:)
Hmm... it's entirely possible you're right. I'm not someone who's been using OpenBSD for years, so I was basing my opinion mostly on what I'd seen in the docs.
The way you put it, the upgrade process doesn't sound that bad
To follow up on my own post, they have a draft upgrade guide up it looks like (they recommend that it not be used yet though): http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade47.html
Looks like they include a utility to make life easier when upgrading... looks similar to what Gentoo Linux does when config files are upgraded... new configs are diff'd, and can be interactively merged, etc: "OpenBSD now includes the sysmerge(8) utility, which helps administrators update configuration files after upgrading their system. Sysmerge(8) compares the current files on your system with the files that would have been installed with a new install, and gives you the option of keeping the old file, installing the new file, or assisting you in the manual merging of the old and new files, using sdiff. For past upgrades, we've presented a list of files that are usually copied over "as-is", and a list of files which should be changed, and a patch file that applies those changes to what might be in those files on your system. You may opt to use sysmerge to make the changes, or you may wish to use the patch file first, and then follow up with a sysmerge session to clean up any loose ends."
So it looks like they're at least making an effort to make it less painful
...on RedHat and CentOS, to go from RHEL 5.3 to RHEL 5.4 I did "yum -y update". That's it.
Can we get there with OpenBSD? At my current place of employment we were using OpenBSD, but the upgrade process was an argument that was made (by other members of my team) to move to RHEL...
This was a CHILD, who didn't know any better. If the kid had accidentally shot his parents and they died for being stupid enough to leave a loaded weapon near their 3 year old, that would be Darwin award worthy....
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What's a measly 72 months between friends? :)
There are posts that reference other threads where this was "already posted," but clicking those links leads you to a vBulletin "No thread specified" page. Presumably ZA has been deleting threads....
See http://forums.zonealarm.com/showpost.php?p=283423 and http://forums.zonealarm.com/showpost.php?p=283420 for example posts... both those posts reference a nonexistent thread.
Damage control maybe?
As a poster indicates, ZA was bought out by CheckPoint a few months ago. This scare tactic will probably backfire on them...
Why in the hell did someone at CheckPoint say to themselves "Wait a second... Gestapo style marketing that looks like a phishing scam sounds like a great idea!"
My respect for humanity just ratcheted down a few notches. Wow... how can a person be so incredibly stupid?
That's not really the complete story though... Commodore bought out MOS after they'd already made the 'lawsuit compatible' 6502...
"MOS Technology, Inc was a microprocessor manufacturing company founded by entrepreneurs leaving the Allen-Bradley company, most famous for its creation of the ubiquitous 6502 processor. It was acquired by Commodore International in September of 1976, and was brought into Commodore's umbrella subdivision Commodore Semiconductor Group (CSG)."
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/MOS_Technology (which is sourced from the book 'On the Edge: The Rise and Fall of Commodore')
you find the most grotesque microsoft powerpoint like data crap: a half page picture that is a pie chart with two sectons (figure 4, page 9 in the pdf)
Anyone who would put together such a bs piece of eye candy isn't competant to pound sand down a rathole, even if they do use their spellchecker
Have you ever briefed such a report to management? Management wants to see the 'bottom line' type of information, not piles of information packed into slides.
Pie charts are common on these types of high level reports... remember that managers are looking at this. To get into the nitty gritty and fix vulnerabilities (or invalidate scan findings if they're false positives) the Information Assurance techs would look at the actual Nessus scan findings, not the pretty pie chart (that's for management).
Hey, what do /., AM radio talk shows, and FOX News have in common? People like you!!!!!!
Oh come on now that's not fair... as I allude to in my reply to Jane Q., there are those even *inside* the DoD community who have the same preconceptions about FOSS "being insecure"....
Yup... and when the subject has been brought up by those spreading FUD at work about FOSS (I'm employed by DoD) I have busted out that very same memo and quoted from it :)
Surprise: the DoD uses Linux, and they have the same guides for locking and hardening Linux as they do for other Unices (Solaris) and for Windows.
See http://iase.disa.mil/stigs/stig/unix-stig-v5r1.pdf (search for Linux) for examples.
Well I got it and laughed, even if nobody else did :p
Tough crowd
Now I have Karen Carpenter stuck in my head you insensitive clod!
From TFS:
"Along with this release, NASA is contributing technology from its Nebula Cloud Platform"
I 'got' the reference, Doug was awesome back in the day, one of the original Nicktoons, etc etc
Whooosh.
(that was the joke passing by...)
Cool posts and good stories like this are why I still read Slashot... thanks for the interesting writeup man
Dude make friends with Wikipedia and Google... you guys should hang out
Probably as a result of the recent Olympics, the first thing that sprang to my mind was "British Columbia"....
Hmm... it's entirely possible you're right. I'm not someone who's been using OpenBSD for years, so I was basing my opinion mostly on what I'd seen in the docs.
The way you put it, the upgrade process doesn't sound that bad
I applaud OpenBSD for having good documentation, but again with Debian I remember just doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" and apt "figuring everything out"
Upgrading OpenBSD still looks to be a very manual process, to me anynway....
To follow up on my own post, they have a draft upgrade guide up it looks like (they recommend that it not be used yet though):
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade47.html
Looks like they include a utility to make life easier when upgrading... looks similar to what Gentoo Linux does when config files are upgraded... new configs are diff'd, and can be interactively merged, etc:
"OpenBSD now includes the sysmerge(8) utility, which helps administrators update configuration files after upgrading their system. Sysmerge(8) compares the current files on your system with the files that would have been installed with a new install, and gives you the option of keeping the old file, installing the new file, or assisting you in the manual merging of the old and new files, using sdiff. For past upgrades, we've presented a list of files that are usually copied over "as-is", and a list of files which should be changed, and a patch file that applies those changes to what might be in those files on your system. You may opt to use sysmerge to make the changes, or you may wish to use the patch file first, and then follow up with a sysmerge session to clean up any loose ends."
So it looks like they're at least making an effort to make it less painful
See the upgrade guide for upgrading 4.5 to 4.6... it's a 280 line upgrade guide:
...on RedHat and CentOS, to go from RHEL 5.3 to RHEL 5.4 I did "yum -y update". That's it.
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade46.html
Can we get there with OpenBSD? At my current place of employment we were using OpenBSD, but the upgrade process was an argument that was made (by other members of my team) to move to RHEL...
I guess the 'darwin' tag that was there got "voted down" and disappeared anyway, so it's a moot point now
It just kinda touched a nerve... I have a 2.5 year old daughter and there's no way I'd ever leave a loaded anything around her
This was a CHILD, who didn't know any better. If the kid had accidentally shot his parents and they died for being stupid enough to leave a loaded weapon near their 3 year old, that would be Darwin award worthy....
There isn't a PBI for Mozilla Thunderbird or KNews? PC-BSD uses KDE as its desktop environment, right?
Those two are pretty decent Usenet clients IMO...
Er, well that's not quite true. It seems there's a lot of confusion in this area...
The OS X kernel is called XNU, and is Mach-based. It's not the FreeBSD kernel.
OS X's userland is called Darwin, is open source, and IS based on a FreeBSD userland (not kernel)
Just sayin'