Not all positive decisions have to be at the expense of others. O'Reilly helps the computer biz, and it helps improve their own market, and Larry gets a job making bucks doing what he loves. What's wrong with that? --
I dropped an email to Larry and to Tim O'Reilly thanking them for the work that Larry's been doing on Perl.
I think it's great that Larry is taking the time to be the visionary and leader on Perl, and providing so much of himself in what goes into Perl 6.
And I think equally important is that
O'Reilly are basically paying Larry to do it. As far as I know, Larry's been getting a paycheck from ORA for just doing the Perl stuff that he does, not unlike Damian Conway getting a paid year sabbatical to be Damian.
That salary for Larry has to be some of the best investment in the community and infrastructure of software development yet, and I cheer Tim & co. for doing it. --
He begins talking about "module or class" (same as Perl 5 and DEC BASIC).
I think the point was that the EXTEND keyword at the top of the DEC BASIC programs served no purpose other than to say "I am a new program", whereas the (proposed) Perl 6 method merely replaces the "package" keyword with something else. The keyword has to be there anyway. Changing from "package" to "class" just overloads the meaning. --
I'm not sure anyone could actually do anything with that session info, but why bother finding out?
ObXProgramming: All the extreme programming techniques in the world are irrelevant if the requirements for the project are not well-designed and set in stone. --
To EMail Me
Reverse the letters between the 2 f's. Remove the letters that form the word 'mixer'. ROT13 the rest
Personally, I've always found these absurd email address obfuscations to be funnier than any April Fools jokes. It's almost like Steve Martin in "The Man With Two Brains":
"Damn, your drunk tests are hard!"
Funnier still to be so paranoid as to think that the spammers harvesting addresses need to be fended off by anything more than a simple rot13 or a "NOSPAM" in the address.
Funnier still is to think that anyone would bother going thru all that just to send someone email.
What concerns me is that the
changelog is clearly incomplete.
I only discovered know this because there's been a bug in drivers/scsi/megaraid.c since 2.4.0. Based on a
kernel dev message, I've made the one-character patch locally, and all is well. I've checked 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 hoping that the patch would get into the standard distro.
So today, even though there's no mention of megaraid.c in the changelog, I check a diff between my patched megaraid.c and the new one, and find that it might as well have been rewritten. Diffs galore, but there's no mention in the changelog.
Maybe the changes are mentioned, but because I don't know who does what, I can't recognize them.
What exactly does "Jens Axboe: more loop cleanups and fixes" cover, for example?
I wonder how many other changes are in there that aren't mentioned in changelog? --
Why wouldn't they want to shut out potential users? How do you think they make their money? By making sure that the ad banners reach the eyeballs of the users. The non-AOL clones just use up AOL's resources while giving them absolutely zero benefit.
Once again, the/. community squawks because they can't get something for free.
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Are all the Slashdotters only old enough to know country music as the new drivel like Garth, Shania and Faith? Judging country based on these guys is like basing your opinion of rock music on hearing Third Eye Blind.
I challenge anyone to take a listen to some classic country and not enjoyment. Take a trip to your local library (the original music sharing service) and try starting with two of the biggies:
Want something more current, but not the country crossover pop pap? Try
Neko Case's
Furnace Room Lullaby or some
Robbie Fulks. Hell, most anything on the
Bloodshot label is a place to start.
As for Charley, he's especially key to country music as one of the first black performers in a very white-dominated genre. --
I'm saying that the voters, ie the taxpayers, should pay.
Hallelujah.
On rereading your original post, I realize that we're in the same camp. I thought you were advocating that the gov't reimburse the taxpayers, as if gov't != taxpayers.
Indeed, not merely let them pay for it, but compensate each
and every computer user who is forced to get a computer with this crap installed.
You make it sound as if the Texas gov't paying the users is an actual plus for the person. Where does the gov't get the cash? From the taxpayers. What you're saying is "The gov't should give money to the populace that they're going to have to take away from the populace in order to pay for it."
I'm glad to see an example of push coming to shove here on Ye Olde High-n-Mighty Slashdot. So much of what goes on here is bluster, with precious little action, especially when we're talking this example where you're talking about affecting your wallet.
I wouldn't suggest quitting, but you can also refuse and leave the firing up to them. At a job long ago, my boss was told by upper management to fabricate sales reports to feed to one of our suppliers. I told my boss that I wouldn't lie for them. He said he understood, and then went ahead and did it himself. No recriminations came down.
how about not giving libraries funding for internet access and letting them focus on books?
What makes you think that the only purpose for libraries is for warehousing dead trees? Should they get rid of other non-print materials? Microfilm and microfiche? Should they toss the CD-ROM based encyclopedias and only buy the multi-$K print ones?
That means that only rich schools can have access to porn.
Isn't that the way it always is? Have you seen the price of a copy of Juggs these days?
Crown Books is going out of business, and I don't think I need to tell you what section got cleaned out first when those "50% off all magazines!" signs went up at my local store.
Now, after approx. 15 years of having these stickers, nobody pays attention to them.
Consumers don't care, but they're pretty irrelevant in this case. It's the rack jobbers who service customers like Wal-Mart that pay attention to the stickers. Wal-Mart has a hell of a lot of pull, and, not unlike Blockbuster in the video world, make demands about what gets to be sold in their stores.
Remember Nirvana bowdlerzing "Rape Me" as "Waif Me"? And why do you think that most hip-hop albums these days have "Clean" and "Explicit" versions? It's not that the labels are afraid the customers won't buy 'em, but because they're afraid the stores won't carry 'em.
And so it is with video games. I'm pretty sure Wal-Mart already has a stance that they don't carry M-rated video games.
Right, then they lose much of the user base thats using RH, as they try out Mandrake or Debian or ___. Doesnt sound like a good business
move.
Do you think that RH makes money by people having their distro installed? It's not like market share == cash flow.
So you install Debian on your box instead of RH. How does that hurt them?
I'd bet that anyone who balks at $10/month is someone who has never given RH a dime anyway.
two Computer Science students were treated for broken noses and released, after a full-on collision on the sidewalk.
Not a new problem. When's the last time you saw a college campus that didn't have CS students walking across campus while reading some science fiction paperback?
It's just that laptop damage is a lot more expensive than buying a new Neil Stephenson novel.
Really, the whole thing is an exercise left to the reader. The absurdity of it all blows my mind.
G'wan, try to make me stop sitting at an adjacent machine retyping the thing.
If geek kids can sit and type up program listings from Creative Computing, then I'm sure that the Bad Men out there can do the same.
O'Reilly Software really only had two products. Both were excellent at the time, and both have been squeezed out of the market. Ironically enough, in both cases, much of the competition is from the open source community.
Way back when, WebSite was about the only web server you could run in the Windows world. Apache hadn't been ported to Win32 (at least not reliably), and IIS still was a year or so away. In fact, WebSite could run on Windows 95 (and may still be able to).
Now, with most everyone running an NT web server using IIS because it's what comes with NT, and the non-Microsoft-addled using (the apparently stable) Apache, why would anyone pay for WebSite Pro?
As to WebBoard, there are so many freebie bulletin boards out there, and/or with more features, there's no market for an $1800/$3000 web BBS.
(Is trading songs on Napster any more or less legal than buying a CD for fifty
cents at Goodwill?)
Please don't take the Garth Brooks approach that "used CDs = piracy."
Trading songs on Napster creates a copy of the content. Buying the CD for fifty cents at Goodwill means that you are transfering ownership of the item, but that no NEW versions have been made without the copyright owner's approval.
I know that Oracle can offer you 24x7x365 support options if you have enough cash.
Can mySQL do that?
By itself, no, but there are a number of organizations who will support mySQL for you.
It's no different than support for any other open source software. If you want training and support, you find a third-party company that does training and support.
Slashdot Mirror
Sure they will. So what?
wont the profit generated be more than enough to cover the salary they pay him ?
Perhaps. So what?
isnt oreilley as a business simply existing to generate profits ?
Ahhh, not necessarily. There are plenty of businesses that exist for reasons besides simply making a profit.
Habit #5: Think Win-Win. Try it some time.
Not all positive decisions have to be at the expense of others. O'Reilly helps the computer biz, and it helps improve their own market, and Larry gets a job making bucks doing what he loves. What's wrong with that?
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I think it's great that Larry is taking the time to be the visionary and leader on Perl, and providing so much of himself in what goes into Perl 6.
And I think equally important is that O'Reilly are basically paying Larry to do it. As far as I know, Larry's been getting a paycheck from ORA for just doing the Perl stuff that he does, not unlike Damian Conway getting a paid year sabbatical to be Damian.
That salary for Larry has to be some of the best investment in the community and infrastructure of software development yet, and I cheer Tim & co. for doing it.
--
I think the point was that the EXTEND keyword at the top of the DEC BASIC programs served no purpose other than to say "I am a new program", whereas the (proposed) Perl 6 method merely replaces the "package" keyword with something else. The keyword has to be there anyway. Changing from "package" to "class" just overloads the meaning.
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Mea culpa. All I've been hearing about, at least on Slashdot, is team programming. "A little learning" and all that...
I'll be hearing a presentation on XP from Martin Fowler on Thursday night, presented by the Chicago Software Process Improvement Network. After that, I'll be fully qualified to make sweeping generalizations.
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Let's have Open Source Object-Oriented Extreme Programming!
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Specifically, nothing is needed beyond the ASIN/xxxx/ in the URL. In the post above,1 6/ 1 6/o/qid=986325104/sr=8-1/202-6221066-4150208,
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/02016164
is just as good as
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/02016164
and doesn't include your session information.
I'm not sure anyone could actually do anything with that session info, but why bother finding out?
ObXProgramming: All the extreme programming techniques in the world are irrelevant if the requirements for the project are not well-designed and set in stone.
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If onley thay had the 4site to spel it "Sientahlugy"...
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Reverse the letters between the 2 f's. Remove the letters that form the word 'mixer'. ROT13 the rest
Personally, I've always found these absurd email address obfuscations to be funnier than any April Fools jokes. It's almost like Steve Martin in "The Man With Two Brains": "Damn, your drunk tests are hard!"
Funnier still to be so paranoid as to think that the spammers harvesting addresses need to be fended off by anything more than a simple rot13 or a "NOSPAM" in the address.
Funnier still is to think that anyone would bother going thru all that just to send someone email.
--
I only discovered know this because there's been a bug in drivers/scsi/megaraid.c since 2.4.0. Based on a kernel dev message, I've made the one-character patch locally, and all is well. I've checked 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 hoping that the patch would get into the standard distro.
So today, even though there's no mention of megaraid.c in the changelog, I check a diff between my patched megaraid.c and the new one, and find that it might as well have been rewritten. Diffs galore, but there's no mention in the changelog.
Maybe the changes are mentioned, but because I don't know who does what, I can't recognize them. What exactly does "Jens Axboe: more loop cleanups and fixes" cover, for example?
I wonder how many other changes are in there that aren't mentioned in changelog?
--
Why wouldn't they want to shut out potential users? How do you think they make their money? By making sure that the ad banners reach the eyeballs of the users. The non-AOL clones just use up AOL's resources while giving them absolutely zero benefit.
Once again, the /. community squawks because they can't get something for free.
--
I challenge anyone to take a listen to some classic country and not enjoyment. Take a trip to your local library (the original music sharing service) and try starting with two of the biggies:
Want something more current, but not the country crossover pop pap? Try Neko Case's Furnace Room Lullaby or some Robbie Fulks. Hell, most anything on the Bloodshot label is a place to start.
As for Charley, he's especially key to country music as one of the first black performers in a very white-dominated genre.
--
It seems strange that that author of the book would not know its correct title. Worse, there's no real disclosure of his connection to the book.
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Hallelujah.
On rereading your original post, I realize that we're in the same camp. I thought you were advocating that the gov't reimburse the taxpayers, as if gov't != taxpayers.
Sorry.
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You make it sound as if the Texas gov't paying the users is an actual plus for the person. Where does the gov't get the cash? From the taxpayers. What you're saying is "The gov't should give money to the populace that they're going to have to take away from the populace in order to pay for it."
It's just robbing Peter to pay Peter.
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I wouldn't suggest quitting, but you can also refuse and leave the firing up to them. At a job long ago, my boss was told by upper management to fabricate sales reports to feed to one of our suppliers. I told my boss that I wouldn't lie for them. He said he understood, and then went ahead and did it himself. No recriminations came down.
--
What makes you think that the only purpose for libraries is for warehousing dead trees? Should they get rid of other non-print materials? Microfilm and microfiche? Should they toss the CD-ROM based encyclopedias and only buy the multi-$K print ones?
--
Isn't that the way it always is? Have you seen the price of a copy of Juggs these days?
Crown Books is going out of business, and I don't think I need to tell you what section got cleaned out first when those "50% off all magazines!" signs went up at my local store.
--
Yeah, but 90% of /.ers wouldn't believe them anyway.
--
Consumers don't care, but they're pretty irrelevant in this case. It's the rack jobbers who service customers like Wal-Mart that pay attention to the stickers. Wal-Mart has a hell of a lot of pull, and, not unlike Blockbuster in the video world, make demands about what gets to be sold in their stores.
Remember Nirvana bowdlerzing "Rape Me" as "Waif Me"? And why do you think that most hip-hop albums these days have "Clean" and "Explicit" versions? It's not that the labels are afraid the customers won't buy 'em, but because they're afraid the stores won't carry 'em.
And so it is with video games. I'm pretty sure Wal-Mart already has a stance that they don't carry M-rated video games.
--
Do you think that RH makes money by people having their distro installed? It's not like market share == cash flow. So you install Debian on your box instead of RH. How does that hurt them?
I'd bet that anyone who balks at $10/month is someone who has never given RH a dime anyway.
--
Not a new problem. When's the last time you saw a college campus that didn't have CS students walking across campus while reading some science fiction paperback?
It's just that laptop damage is a lot more expensive than buying a new Neil Stephenson novel.
--
If geek kids can sit and type up program listings from Creative Computing, then I'm sure that the Bad Men out there can do the same.
--
Way back when, WebSite was about the only web server you could run in the Windows world. Apache hadn't been ported to Win32 (at least not reliably), and IIS still was a year or so away. In fact, WebSite could run on Windows 95 (and may still be able to).
Now, with most everyone running an NT web server using IIS because it's what comes with NT, and the non-Microsoft-addled using (the apparently stable) Apache, why would anyone pay for WebSite Pro?
As to WebBoard, there are so many freebie bulletin boards out there, and/or with more features, there's no market for an $1800/$3000 web BBS.
--
Please don't take the Garth Brooks approach that "used CDs = piracy."
Trading songs on Napster creates a copy of the content. Buying the CD for fifty cents at Goodwill means that you are transfering ownership of the item, but that no NEW versions have been made without the copyright owner's approval.
--
By itself, no, but there are a number of organizations who will support mySQL for you.
It's no different than support for any other open source software. If you want training and support, you find a third-party company that does training and support.
They may not even really be "third party". Randal Schwartz' Stonehenge Consulting does Perl training. Randal is a key developer in the Perl community. Does he count as third party?
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