so it's finally catching up with OpenOffice 4 or 5?
In 2002 or so, I had OO installed on a couple of lab machines. A couple of my students discovered the pseudo-TeX input method for equations, and it was installed othe rest by request. They pretty much all switched over withoutprprodding.
LyX is spectacular for writing complex equations and being able to edit them for the keyboard.
It was the reason I switched from Mac and word 5.1 to unix fifteen years ago. You can write a matrix full of integrals,maneuver about it, and then edit it without your fingers having to leave the keyboard for the mouse,
I would be interested in one of these, both because I want to grow more things than our water rates allow, and because our air has gotten wet over the last twenty years.
If I could have 250/gallons a day in the summer for $5k, I'd snap it up.
The Compucolor, or the Compucolor II (with its peculiar half density drives). I don't think I ever saw a "I," and am not sure that it really made it to production.
anyway, AppleTrek is the one I found unique--the computer set its move before you made yours, and the Klingons had photon torpedos, too.
You could maneuver between two of them, the move. One would oft shoot the other--who, if he survived, w likely to return fire.
It wasn't so much "didn't want to bother," but a deliberately distancing.
My understanding is that that circuitry had been meant to be part of the ][, but it would have crated FCC issues for all of the machines, not just the ones going into homes.
Sending it to another compay made it just plain not an apple product, and completely distance the real product from FCC rules, which were changing rapidly at the time.
Gee, if someone wanted to sell an adaptor for it, wow, that was cool, and it just happened that that product's existence would sell more apple products . . .
Let's face it; it's been more than ten years since slashdot was posting tech news that appeared in the prior days print edition of e WSJ (which, incidentally, was the only non-pornographer making money on the web with content [as opposed to advertising])
the coco was *not* "basically" a soured up trash80.
he two had nothing in common other than slapping the name on them,being sold by RS, and using MicrosoftBASIC 2.0 (and even then,the were significant differences between the 6800 versions and the 8080 versions [err' I think the coco used version 2])
The trs80 was a z80 8 bit system with 16 bit addrssing; the coco used a 6809, a bizzare partial 16 bit extension of the 6800 with 19.5 bit addressing (seriously, it addressed 768k of 8 bit words).
The trs80 and the coco had about as much in common as the Apple ][ and the Mac . . .
vic20 had 5k ram. I think that included 1k for video, and I assume it was DRAM.
Apple ][ had 4, 8, 12, 12, 16, 20, 24, 32, 36, or 48k of DRAM. (the second 12 was a noncontiguous setup for hires graphics). I really don't remember if the ][+ ever shipped with 4k banks. I think those were on the price list, but so were uncased motherboards . . .
As mentioned above, it was the Commodore Pet that was the contemporary of the ][ and the trash80 (and all three used DRAM).
the Vic came after that, and the c64 was a souped up Vic. By this point, memory would be DRAM; SRAM would take 4 times as many chips and extra juice, driving up e price.
SWTP, S-100, and single boards frequently had SRAM in smaller configurations, but (usually) DRAM if they were 32-64k. And sometimes odd combinations of the two . . .
Uhmm, I'm really trying to come up with a responses to that that doesn't include "newbie" or "get off my lawn!," but I'm coming up blank.
I don't even remember when the//e came out, but it was forks without the, uhh, testicular testified cut a couple of cir uit board traces and solder a bit (or to add a DIP ribbon cable to another keyboard). (OK, on a trash80 it also meant piggybacking a 2102 onto the display circuitry, but still . ..)
when Balmer stops deriding unix as "30 year old technology" long enough to announce the addition to windows of something unix or apple ][ had 30 years ago, web applaud him and call it "innovation."
Huh? Apple ][, 64, and TRS-80 I n the same sentence???
The ][ and the Trash-80werethe same generation. Even the Vic 20 was at least a generation.ater. C64 was a successor to *that*.
anyway, C64 was fundamentally "toy," and contemporary with the IBM PC and early Mac/late ][+. there was never a period where it w a "real" computer, as the ][ and trash80 were.
I mean the Macintosh, whupich some would later dub "thin". It was the only model while it shipped; any program refusing to run was shipped after its time.
I had one at the time (still have it, in fact, although little brother upgraded it to a 512ke), and the available programs most definitely functioned.
hawk
Slashdot Mirror
There *are* we servers running on model 100s out there.
They don't serve much, but they exist.
hawk
so it's finally catching up with OpenOffice 4 or 5?
In 2002 or so, I had OO installed on a couple of lab machines. A couple of my students discovered the pseudo-TeX input method for equations, and it was installed othe rest by request. They pretty much all switched over withoutprprodding.
And Word on Mac did a decent job until 6.0 . . .
hawk
LyX is spectacular for writing complex equations and being able to edit them for the keyboard.
It was the reason I switched from Mac and word 5.1 to unix fifteen years ago. You can write a matrix full of integrals,maneuver about it, and then edit it without your fingers having to leave the keyboard for the mouse,
hawk
That's because professional photographers. Don't have to deal with e macs or ms word!
hawk
Now, now.
I've only needed medical attention grousing emacs once.
Of course,that's one more than all other software products put together, but. . .
hawk
250/ day is over 9k gallons/ yeaar.
The $5k would be a one time cost.
If you have a lawn or pool, you end ip in the penny/gallon tier in the summer, and it's easy to land in the nickel/gallon if you're not careful.
$5k once for lawn & garden sounds great . . .
I welcome our new windy overlords. . .
No, wait. That's not it.
I would be interested in one of these, both because I want to grow more things than our water rates allow, and because our air has gotten wet over the last twenty years.
If I could have 250/gallons a day in the summer for $5k, I'd snap it up.
hawk
The Compucolor, or the Compucolor II (with its peculiar half density drives). I don't think I ever saw a "I," and am not sure that it really made it to production.
:)
anyway, AppleTrek is the one I found unique--the computer set its move before you made yours, and the Klingons had photon torpedos, too.
You could maneuver between two of them, the move. One would oft shoot the other--who, if he survived, w likely to return fire.
I learned to program cheating at that game
hawk
Bah. You kids.
Pre-built computers.
and I thought I wimped out on my first machine by using ICs and wire wrap . . . :)
hawk
It wasn't so much "didn't want to bother," but a deliberately distancing.
My understanding is that that circuitry had been meant to be part of the ][, but it would have crated FCC issues for all of the machines, not just the ones going into homes.
Sending it to another compay made it just plain not an apple product, and completely distance the real product from FCC rules, which were changing rapidly at the time.
Gee, if someone wanted to sell an adaptor for it, wow, that was cool, and it just happened that that product's existence would sell more apple products . . .
hawk
We're still trying to figure out why anyone would put ice in good whiskey, and now you suggest doing it to beer, to?
Argh
hawk
Err, why would anyone defend your sissy northern European see-through lager???
*sigh*
And there are only two words for this foam process: "alcohol abuse."
hawk
Let's face it; it's been more than ten years since slashdot was posting tech news that appeared in the prior days print edition of e WSJ (which, incidentally, was the only non-pornographer making money on the web with content [as opposed to advertising])
hawk
Elections aren't an issue; this is a special prosecutor.
However, this may mean that large numbers of distributins drop his filesystem . . . :)
hawk, wondering why this is on slashdot
Gotta love programming so impressive you have to turn around and query to find out what you've bee watching . . . :)
hawk
the coco was *not* "basically" a soured up trash80.
he two had nothing in common other than slapping the name on them,being sold by RS, and using MicrosoftBASIC 2.0 (and even then,the were significant differences between the 6800 versions and the 8080 versions [err' I think the coco used version 2])
The trs80 was a z80 8 bit system with 16 bit addrssing; the coco used a 6809, a bizzare partial 16 bit extension of the 6800 with 19.5 bit addressing (seriously, it addressed 768k of 8 bit words).
The trs80 and the coco had about as much in common as the Apple ][ and the Mac . . .
hawk
Perhaps Xflash Xorgon will save us?
hawk
vic20 had 5k ram. I think that included 1k for video, and I assume it was DRAM.
Apple ][ had 4, 8, 12, 12, 16, 20, 24, 32, 36, or 48k of DRAM. (the second 12 was a noncontiguous setup for hires graphics). I really don't remember if the ][+ ever shipped with 4k banks. I think those were on the price list, but so were uncased motherboards . . .
As mentioned above, it was the Commodore Pet that was the contemporary of the ][ and the trash80 (and all three used DRAM).
the Vic came after that, and the c64 was a souped up Vic. By this point, memory would be DRAM; SRAM would take 4 times as many chips and extra juice, driving up e price.
SWTP, S-100, and single boards frequently had SRAM in smaller configurations, but (usually) DRAM if they were 32-64k. And sometimes odd combinations of the two . . .
hawk
Uhmm, I'm really trying to come up with a responses to that that doesn't include "newbie" or "get off my lawn!," but I'm coming up blank.
I don't even remember when the //e came out, but it was forks without the, uhh, testicular testified cut a couple of cir uit board traces and solder a bit (or to add a DIP ribbon cable to another keyboard). (OK, on a trash80 it also meant piggybacking a 2102 onto the display circuitry, but still . . .)
hawk
Now, now.
be nice.
when Balmer stops deriding unix as "30 year old technology" long enough to announce the addition to windows of something unix or apple ][ had 30 years ago, web applaud him and call it "innovation."
hawk
That's hardly new.
MS Windows has *always* had an automatic restart a couple of times an hour . . . :)
hawk
Huh? Apple ][, 64, and TRS-80 I n the same sentence???
The ][ and the Trash-80werethe same generation. Even the Vic 20 was at least a generation.ater. C64 was a successor to *that*.
anyway, C64 was fundamentally "toy," and contemporary with the IBM PC and early Mac/late ][+. there was never a period where it w a "real" computer, as the ][ and trash80 were.
hawk
Due to budget cuts, we have reduced from 4d to 3d. as the other party is heartless, we may soon be down to 2D l . .
hawk
This OS the difference between 150 pixels/star and .15 pixels/star (or, 7 stats/pixel . . .)
hawk
I mean the Macintosh, whupich some would later dub "thin". It was the only model while it shipped; any program refusing to run was shipped after its time. I had one at the time (still have it, in fact, although little brother upgraded it to a 512ke), and the available programs most definitely functioned. hawk