Haven't we stomped this out yet? vi is *not* modal. "i" does *not* put you into an insertion mode, but instead is a command which is terminated with escape. Similarly for the other insertion/replacement methods.
This was well settled twenty years ago, yet we still hear this from the uninformed.
Admittedly, some of the newer variants have blurred things (I'm thinking in particular of vim's ability to use arrow keys and delete pre-existing text while performaning an insertion command . ..).
"And here they come, guns blazing. It looks bad for emacs; it just can't keep up with the more agile vi. Oh, wait! Emacs just dumped core! the vi figher has been crushed by the falling debris!
The BSDs were mere months (if that) behind Linux; the explosion would have happened anyway. (In fact, I first stumbled across Linux when looking for 386/BSD, which I knew about, but had the name wrong [having mixed in my memory some old usenet posts from the GNU project with some on nethack, and coming out with NetBSD]).
The various BSD have not had a need for the RMS type (unless you count Theo:)
>and TiVo doesn't want to allow users to create custom kernels and still >have a usable TiVo, as the ability to do so would potentially allow >users to easily break their DRM scheme.
I keep seeing things like this, and wonder where they come from.
Tivos running custom kernels are *common*. For example, there are modified kernels out there that have changed the size of disk that may be addressed.
However, modifying the kernel doesn't affect the software that runs the GUI and handles playback.
The original MacPortables (including backlit) could not power up without their battery for this very reason. The 1.5A power supply wasn't enough to initially spin the hard disk. If you used a later 2.0A or 2.5A powerbooko supply, they could start without the battery.
>One huge problem with U.S. companies is that their upper management >folks are compensated with stock options (or grants) and are often >based on current performance.
Actually, the options and grants are part of the solution. They were aa reformist reaction to the complete disalignment of the interests of management (perks, such as gold faucets in the washroom) and ownership (profits).
The *purpose* of the rise in options was to align the interests. Things didn't turn out as well as expected, however. Management attention was redirected towards profits, but only short-term profits. On top of that, options pay off for an increase, but have no penalty for a drop in price, encouraging excessive risk. Furthermore, as a practical matter, the executives need to either sell the stock from the options, or to come up with large amounts of cash to keep them. This brings things back to the short term, as does the loss of the options when leavintg hthe company.
OK, and investors looking at short term results, rather than focusing on the long run, is a really serious problem--buying a company for the short term results is bubble behavior at its worst.
My solution is to replace the options with outright grants that are restricted for longer periods, without regard to whether the recipient is still employed with the company. You will have this stock for the next ten years (and perhaps some tied to fifteen and twenty), so foucus on that. There are tax issues (the entire grant would be taxable; perhaps encumbering it with a non-forgiveable loan to reduce the value would help).
I've only lived in three of those: San Jose, San Diego, and Las Vegas. Save for the advocates, people don't think that mass transit "works" in these cities.
Exists, yes. Gets people places in a practical and timely manner, no.
I get a particular kick out of the Vegas one, as it's home. No, we're *not* building light rail, and no there *wasn't* a concern about overuse. Rather, we have buses among major streets, which aren't too bad, but in no way an alternative to owning a vehicle, and a monorail which carries a handful of people for an amazingly high fare on teh days that it isn't dropping parts. There did indeed seem to be a likelihood of building a lightrail system, but only because the True Believers had gathered enough steam that it appeared that the decision makers were going to ignore *all* of the evidence about available riders, costs, etc.
My daughter was starting high school this year, and another next year. I'm not willing to make them move during that, and I wasn't willing to stay in the east (or with the Penn State system!) another five years.
So when nothing came up in the west, I just moved home anyway.
I put my kids in the only Catholic school I could find that had room for second graders, and the Wednesday before school started I called to see how big a check I needed to send. I somehow lost control of the conversation, and ended up teaching fifth grade for the year. (Seriously; I am not making up or exaggerating any of this!)
Come fall, I expect to be in the private sector; teaching elementary was never part of my plans, but my kids' school needed it, so . . .
I suspect I'll end up in the casino industry in some form; we'll see.
hawk
p.s. As hellish as the move was, including two days stranded in a primitive campgraound and then driving 8 people the last thousand miles in an overloaded seven seat van, the house was worse. It will be two more years until we're done with the repairs. Just materials will be well past $10k by the time I'm done. Even the oven was ruined, with mice nesting in it, using its insulation (I finally found one that would fit last weekend). All of the exterior panels need replacing (I've started that). Half the roof needs redone. All of the carpets (which were less than three years old) had to be immediately torn out due to infestation. The drawers in the kitchen, a bedroom door, the ceiling fan, and the birdbath were missing (I found out from a neighbor's kid that they managed to break it rather than stealing it). Every wall had been colored upon. The sprinkler system was jammed due to massive effort--they managed to shove a full six inches of crud into a 3/4 inch pipe through the little hole! The tile was pretty much destroyed. Appliances and other garbage were just abandoned ($900 for the disposal bin and workers that cleaned the basig garbage out!)--but this did give me two spare refridgerators, one which will ferment beer, and the other to laager in:) The lawns hadn't been watered in three years (but are actually growing back! I have some very tough stuff in there). Numerous holes in the wall, and damage to the drywall above the garage. Dishwasher trashed. strange boards nailed all over the place iand in a "treehouse" that was an advertisement for tetnus. Food just left on the counters--which is why there were roaches even in the bedroom, and we spent a full week in a casino before they were down enough for us to come in at night. (Now, eight months of professional bugging later, they're nearly gone). Oh, and the doors to the garage cabinets were missing, more holes in the wall near the foundation for the mice, front door frame partly missing, paint stripped from part of the master bath door, sliding patio door and other windows badly abused with insulation/caulking pulled back, strange cable/satellite wires running all over the place, stapling of a phone line that caused a near short and its removal, and I've had to cut through the slab to get to the drain from the shower in the master bath, which I still need to finish fixing. Aside from that, the house was in pretty good condition . . .
The moral of the story is that if you ever get foolish enough to rent out your own house, go for the high-end market. Charge high rent, and include the landscaping and weekly maid or cleaning service--just to have your own people in that often. OTOH, had we sold it, we wouldn't have been able to buy it back today with what happened to housing prices here during the exile--they went from well below average to somewhat above.
One of the engine lights came on almost immediately. We called, and they told us that they'd just checked that truck, and it was one of the sensors that was broken, so to go ahead . . .
And the mechanic that dealt with the transmission lever told us that a) he could count on the first call every Saturday morning a broken Uhaul (he was a 24 hour service, but Uhaul doesn't call them 24 hours!), and b) that their trucks are *much* older than the other companies, and that parts are often an issue (as it was for mine).
>Unless you are in the middle of SF, public transit is only useful in >very specific cases. It just isn't deployed widely enough to be a full >time option for many people, so traffic is a part of life.
It's not the deployment that's the problem, it's the way the population is spread out. SF is about the only city west of Chicago with dense enfough population for most mass transit to practical.
They somehow managed to foul up my direct credit card charge almost every month. I'm not sure when they stopped serving it up, just that they charged me for months afterwards. Now they want me to commit to a year in return for not charging me for restoring from tape, so I'm looking for a new host. (And, I need to get around to filing a compliant with the attorney general).
I finally ended my excile and returned to Las Vegas last summer, with two more children and much more stuff than when it started.
#1. Don't use U-Haul. The web pages about disaster experiences aren't exagerations. Your "reservation" is issued automatically, without even a cursory check as to the availability of trucks. They finally found me one an entire day late--90 miles from where I should ahve received one. The average age of their fleet is significantly older than all of their competitors.
#2. Throw it away. Unless you're absolutely certain that you'll actually use it, toss it. Then do it again. Then toss everything, and only take out what you *really* need. Then throw a bunch more away.
#3. Don't use U-haul. Few people have had positive experiences with them., and the horror stories are common.
#4. Avoid U-haul at all costs.
#5. Be *entirely* packed and living out of suitcases and a couple of plates a full week before you leave. You *will* run over.
#6. Did I mention not to use U-haul?
#7. Film your old rental housing for when your former landlord comes up with "interesting" charges. Insist that the landlord do a final walkthrough with you--but the place needs to be empty for this.
#8. Most importantly, don't use U-haul.
#9. If using a rental truck and there are any mountains in your path, or even those little bumps that the easterners fancy to be mountains, you want a diesel and not a gas engine. The difference in fuel consumption is significant, but the diesels are much better on grades.
#10. Don't use U-haul.
#11. Consider alternate starting and stopping points. Rates are based upon the amount of trucks going each way. By going 60 miles further east to pick up a truck and overshooting Las Vegas for Orange county, I knocked more than a third off the rental price. Everyone was leaving my part of PA, whle everyone goes *to* Las Vegas, and everyone is fleeing California. There's a discount for bringing a truck *to* California, and a surcharge for leaving one in Vegas.
#12. Pay the damage waive ron the truck. Really. It's a dumb move on a car, but you're driving something big that's easy to bump and scratch. I'm, umm, well ahead of the game on this one. It also helps when the equipment malfunctions and damages itself; there's no issue of them charging you (On my previous move, the hitch failed on myU-haul trailer and rammed the truck, ruining much of the equipment on the tongue).
Now, for an unfortunate, sad, fact of life: Only uhaul rents large closed trailers one-way. This is why I ignored my past experience and used them last summer. What I *should* have done was rent a Penske truck and a U-haul trailer, slapped a hitch onto my van (which has Class IV towing), and moved it to the Penske at the house. There hav ebeen many reports of U-haul refusing to hand over trailers to those who show up in competitor's trucks, claiming that that model doesn't appear on their list of approved vehicles (5,000 pound towing capacity needed).
Aside from being over a day late, our u-haul broke down three (3) times. After a thousand miles, it threw the trailer off the hitch. According to the repairman who came out, the hitch was properly attached (besides, we *had* travelled 1,000 miles by then), and couldn't have come off unless the ball was undersized.
Then, coming over the first major downgrade on the Rockies, the transmission *selector*, not the transmission, broke, leaving me stuck in thrird gear. Massive damage to the brakes (completely smoked), and the truck sp0ent a week in a Uhaul depot waiting for a part (again, old trucks).
Once it was ready, it turned out to be massively overweight, and we had to rent a Penske to offload 5,000 lbs. With the U-haul and Penske approximately equally loaded, we attached the trailer to the Penske. Even with the trailer, it would blow past the U-haul, even uphill.
Finally, approaching Vegas, the uhaul started overheating. We ended up dumping it in Vegas, as it wouldn't have made it to Orange county, anyway.
The only change in syntax that I've noticed is the use of ; rather than , as an argument separator. THe automatic conversion on load has taken care of this.
Oh, and I discovered that randbetween() is a one-shot in openoffice, rather than being recalculated.
The lookups that I've created seem to work in excel, too (though I rarely check:)
>Rather than deal with it or hope it wouldn't save the document >in this obviously screwed up interpretation,
Or is it that MS Word doesn't follow its own standard?:)
More seriously, though, I've seen this--but it doesn't seem to be any worse than what happens when you a) use a newer/older version of Word, or b) change the printer to a different type.
>VLOOKUP and HLOOKUP equations that my wife uses every day in >Excel for her work as a Supply/Demand Analyst do not work in >OO.o. Yes, OO.o has functions that are named that, but no >amount of tweaking and fixing of syntax could get them to work.
Odd, I've never had trouble getting them to work. I used them for university gradesheets on every version from Staroffice 3 to Openoffice 2 (btw, 3 was easier to get along with than 4 & 5).
I also used it a couple of weeks ago to generate ramndom times-tables for the fifth grade (though there may well be a better way of producing the numbers 2-12 in random order in a spreadsheet).
Trust me, vlookup and hlookup work just fine in OpenOffice and its predecessors.
I don't know how much BSD code made its way into the kernel, but that's still pieces grafted in, whereas BSD *is* the BSD code, with years of continuous modifications.
If I soup up a Ford, I still have a ford, but sticking a few Ford parts under the hood doesn't turn a Chevy into a Ford.
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> Isn't that what sound and video recorders are for?
I tape recorded every single class my first semester of law school. I had a full shopping bag of tapes by the end. People often borrowed them from me.
The only one I ever heard was when someone else listened to one across the room . . .
I was also one of the first to use a computer in the classroom. I typed notes into a Tandy 102, dumping its 24k of memory to a 128k Mac at night . . .
And Powerpoint wasn't around yet.
hawk
Haven't we stomped this out yet? vi is *not* modal. "i" does *not* put you into an insertion mode, but instead is a command which is terminated with escape. Similarly for the other insertion/replacement methods.
.).
This was well settled twenty years ago, yet we still hear this from the uninformed.
Admittedly, some of the newer variants have blurred things (I'm thinking in particular of vim's ability to use arrow keys and delete pre-existing text while performaning an insertion command . .
hawk
"And here they come, guns blazing. It looks bad for emacs; it just can't keep up with the more agile vi. Oh, wait! Emacs just dumped core! the vi figher has been crushed by the falling debris!
hawk, noting that this should be read with a LISP
The BSDs were mere months (if that) behind Linux; the explosion would have happened anyway. (In fact, I first stumbled across Linux when looking for 386/BSD, which I knew about, but had the name wrong [having mixed in my memory some old usenet posts from the GNU project with some on nethack, and coming out with NetBSD]).
:)
The various BSD have not had a need for the RMS type (unless you count Theo
hawk
>and TiVo doesn't want to allow users to create custom kernels and still
>have a usable TiVo, as the ability to do so would potentially allow
>users to easily break their DRM scheme.
I keep seeing things like this, and wonder where they come from.
Tivos running custom kernels are *common*. For example, there are modified kernels out there that have changed the size of disk that may be addressed.
However, modifying the kernel doesn't affect the software that runs the GUI and handles playback.
hawk
The original MacPortables (including backlit) could not power up without their battery for this very reason. The 1.5A power supply wasn't enough to initially spin the hard disk. If you used a later 2.0A or 2.5A powerbooko supply, they could start without the battery.
hawk, who still has his
>One huge problem with U.S. companies is that their upper management
>folks are compensated with stock options (or grants) and are often
>based on current performance.
Actually, the options and grants are part of the solution. They were aa reformist reaction to the complete disalignment of the interests of management (perks, such as gold faucets in the washroom) and ownership (profits).
The *purpose* of the rise in options was to align the interests. Things didn't turn out as well as expected, however. Management attention was redirected towards profits, but only short-term profits. On top of that, options pay off for an increase, but have no penalty for a drop in price, encouraging excessive risk. Furthermore, as a practical matter, the executives need to either sell the stock from the options, or to come up with large amounts of cash to keep them. This brings things back to the short term, as does the loss of the options when leavintg hthe company.
OK, and investors looking at short term results, rather than focusing on the long run, is a really serious problem--buying a company for the short term results is bubble behavior at its worst.
My solution is to replace the options with outright grants that are restricted for longer periods, without regard to whether the recipient is still employed with the company. You will have this stock for the next ten years (and perhaps some tied to fifteen and twenty), so foucus on that. There are tax issues (the entire grant would be taxable; perhaps encumbering it with a non-forgiveable loan to reduce the value would help).
hawk
I've only lived in three of those: San Jose, San Diego, and Las Vegas. Save for the advocates, people don't think that mass transit "works" in these cities.
Exists, yes. Gets people places in a practical and timely manner, no.
I get a particular kick out of the Vegas one, as it's home. No, we're *not* building light rail, and no there *wasn't* a concern about overuse. Rather, we have buses among major streets, which aren't too bad, but in no way an alternative to owning a vehicle, and a monorail which carries a handful of people for an amazingly high fare on teh days that it isn't dropping parts. There did indeed seem to be a likelihood of building a lightrail system, but only because the True Believers had gathered enough steam that it appeared that the decision makers were going to ignore *all* of the evidence about available riders, costs, etc.
But don't let the facts get in the way . . .
hawk
Actually, it's three time zones :)
:) The lawns hadn't been watered in three years (but are actually growing back! I have some very tough stuff in there). Numerous holes in the wall, and damage to the drywall above the garage. Dishwasher trashed. strange boards nailed all over the place iand in a "treehouse" that was an advertisement for tetnus. Food just left on the counters--which is why there were roaches even in the bedroom, and we spent a full week in a casino before they were down enough for us to come in at night. (Now, eight months of professional bugging later, they're nearly gone). Oh, and the doors to the garage cabinets were missing, more holes in the wall near the foundation for the mice, front door frame partly missing, paint stripped from part of the master bath door, sliding patio door and other windows badly abused with insulation/caulking pulled back, strange cable/satellite wires running all over the place, stapling of a phone line that caused a near short and its removal, and I've had to cut through the slab to get to the drain from the shower in the master bath, which I still need to finish fixing. Aside from that, the house was in pretty good condition . . .
My daughter was starting high school this year, and another next year. I'm not willing to make them move during that, and I wasn't willing to stay in the east (or with the Penn State system!) another five years.
So when nothing came up in the west, I just moved home anyway.
I put my kids in the only Catholic school I could find that had room for second graders, and the Wednesday before school started I called to see how big a check I needed to send. I somehow lost control of the conversation, and ended up teaching fifth grade for the year. (Seriously; I am not making up or exaggerating any of this!)
Come fall, I expect to be in the private sector; teaching elementary was never part of my plans, but my kids' school needed it, so . . .
I suspect I'll end up in the casino industry in some form; we'll see.
hawk
p.s. As hellish as the move was, including two days stranded in a primitive campgraound and then driving 8 people the last thousand miles in an overloaded seven seat van, the house was worse. It will be two more years until we're done with the repairs. Just materials will be well past $10k by the time I'm done. Even the oven was ruined, with mice nesting in it, using its insulation (I finally found one that would fit last weekend). All of the exterior panels need replacing (I've started that). Half the roof needs redone. All of the carpets (which were less than three years old) had to be immediately torn out due to infestation. The drawers in the kitchen, a bedroom door, the ceiling fan, and the birdbath were missing (I found out from a neighbor's kid that they managed to break it rather than stealing it). Every wall had been colored upon. The sprinkler system was jammed due to massive effort--they managed to shove a full six inches of crud into a 3/4 inch pipe through the little hole! The tile was pretty much destroyed. Appliances and other garbage were just abandoned ($900 for the disposal bin and workers that cleaned the basig garbage out!)--but this did give me two spare refridgerators, one which will ferment beer, and the other to laager in
The moral of the story is that if you ever get foolish enough to rent out your own house, go for the high-end market. Charge high rent, and include the landscaping and weekly maid or cleaning service--just to have your own people in that often. OTOH, had we sold it, we wouldn't have been able to buy it back today with what happened to housing prices here during the exile--they went from well below average to somewhat above.
It's less. Not by a full order of magnitude, but it's close.
If you factor in paying people to pack and unpack, you just might hit the full order of magnitude.
I *checked*. I ran down every lead I could. Nothing else came within $5k.
hawk
Oh, yes, I forgot about that.
One of the engine lights came on almost immediately. We called, and they told us that they'd just checked that truck, and it was one of the sensors that was broken, so to go ahead . . .
And the mechanic that dealt with the transmission lever told us that
a) he could count on the first call every Saturday morning a broken Uhaul (he was a 24 hour service, but Uhaul doesn't call them 24 hours!), and
b) that their trucks are *much* older than the other companies, and that parts are often an issue (as it was for mine).
hawk
>Unless you are in the middle of SF, public transit is only useful in
>very specific cases. It just isn't deployed widely enough to be a full
>time option for many people, so traffic is a part of life.
It's not the deployment that's the problem, it's the way the population is spread out. SF is about the only city west of Chicago with dense enfough population for most mass transit to practical.
hawk
>FYI, your website doesn't work. Parked?
Nope. Go-daddy'd.
They somehow managed to foul up my direct credit card charge almost every month. I'm not sure when they stopped serving it up, just that they charged me for months afterwards. Now they want me to commit to a year in return for not charging me for restoring from tape, so I'm looking for a new host. (And, I need to get around to filing a compliant with the attorney general).
hawk
I finally ended my excile and returned to Las Vegas last summer, with two more children and much more stuff than when it started.
#1. Don't use U-Haul. The web pages about disaster experiences aren't exagerations. Your "reservation" is issued automatically, without even a cursory check as to the availability of trucks. They finally found me one an entire day late--90 miles from where I should ahve received one. The average age of their fleet is significantly older than all of their competitors.
#2. Throw it away. Unless you're absolutely certain that you'll actually use it, toss it. Then do it again. Then toss everything, and only take out what you *really* need. Then throw a bunch more away.
#3. Don't use U-haul. Few people have had positive experiences with them., and the horror stories are common.
#4. Avoid U-haul at all costs.
#5. Be *entirely* packed and living out of suitcases and a couple of plates a full week before you leave. You *will* run over.
#6. Did I mention not to use U-haul?
#7. Film your old rental housing for when your former landlord comes up with "interesting" charges. Insist that the landlord do a final walkthrough with you--but the place needs to be empty for this.
#8. Most importantly, don't use U-haul.
#9. If using a rental truck and there are any mountains in your path, or even those little bumps that the easterners fancy to be mountains, you want a diesel and not a gas engine. The difference in fuel consumption is significant, but the diesels are much better on grades.
#10. Don't use U-haul.
#11. Consider alternate starting and stopping points. Rates are based upon the amount of trucks going each way. By going 60 miles further east to pick up a truck and overshooting Las Vegas for Orange county, I knocked more than a third off the rental price. Everyone was leaving my part of PA, whle everyone goes *to* Las Vegas, and everyone is fleeing California. There's a discount for bringing a truck *to* California, and a surcharge for leaving one in Vegas.
#12. Pay the damage waive ron the truck. Really. It's a dumb move on a car, but you're driving something big that's easy to bump and scratch. I'm, umm, well ahead of the game on this one. It also helps when the equipment malfunctions and damages itself; there's no issue of them charging you (On my previous move, the hitch failed on myU-haul trailer and rammed the truck, ruining much of the equipment on the tongue).
Now, for an unfortunate, sad, fact of life: Only uhaul rents large closed trailers one-way. This is why I ignored my past experience and used them last summer. What I *should* have done was rent a Penske truck and a U-haul trailer, slapped a hitch onto my van (which has Class IV towing), and moved it to the Penske at the house. There hav ebeen many reports of U-haul refusing to hand over trailers to those who show up in competitor's trucks, claiming that that model doesn't appear on their list of approved vehicles (5,000 pound towing capacity needed).
Aside from being over a day late, our u-haul broke down three (3) times. After a thousand miles, it threw the trailer off the hitch. According to the repairman who came out, the hitch was properly attached (besides, we *had* travelled 1,000 miles by then), and couldn't have come off unless the ball was undersized.
Then, coming over the first major downgrade on the Rockies, the transmission *selector*, not the transmission, broke, leaving me stuck in thrird gear. Massive damage to the brakes (completely smoked), and the truck sp0ent a week in a Uhaul depot waiting for a part (again, old trucks).
Once it was ready, it turned out to be massively overweight, and we had to rent a Penske to offload 5,000 lbs. With the U-haul and Penske approximately equally loaded, we attached the trailer to the Penske. Even with the trailer, it would blow past the U-haul, even uphill.
Finally, approaching Vegas, the uhaul started overheating. We ended up dumping it in Vegas, as it wouldn't have made it to Orange county, anyway.
hawk, who never wants to move again.
didn't the bit about laying on the bed with feet in the air to get on jeans tip you off?
Many newspapers have the "chick who doesn't know anything about cars" automotive column. I took this for that basic genre . . .
hawk
It's truly overstating the risks.
Why, I once spent a wild weekend with a couple of computers, installed everything in sight. Played the games. Ran the compilers.
Oh, how we cavorted, without a care in the world.
Turns out that one of those "open source" programs had a past, and gave me one of those "infectious viruses."
Oh, the horror. Splotches on my skin, and had to stay out of the sun.
Should I have been more careful? Sure; practicing safe computing would have prevented the problem entirely.
However, uncomfortable as it made me, a couple of shots of antibiotics made me good as new.
So be careful out there, but its not the end of the world if something goes wrong . . .
hawk
no, you ingrates, that's *not* enough. It's not "3", but "GNU/3". And don't even get me started on the letters . . .
hawk
The only change in syntax that I've noticed is the use of ; rather than , as an argument separator. THe automatic conversion on load has taken care of this.
:)
Oh, and I discovered that randbetween() is a one-shot in openoffice, rather than being recalculated.
The lookups that I've created seem to work in excel, too (though I rarely check
hawk
>Rather than deal with it or hope it wouldn't save the document
:)
>in this obviously screwed up interpretation,
Or is it that MS Word doesn't follow its own standard?
More seriously, though, I've seen this--but it doesn't seem to be any worse than what happens when you
a) use a newer/older version of Word, or
b) change the printer to a different type.
hawk
>VLOOKUP and HLOOKUP equations that my wife uses every day in
>Excel for her work as a Supply/Demand Analyst do not work in >OO.o. Yes, OO.o has functions that are named that, but no
>amount of tweaking and fixing of syntax could get them to work.
Odd, I've never had trouble getting them to work. I used them for university gradesheets on every version from Staroffice 3 to Openoffice 2 (btw, 3 was easier to get along with than 4 & 5).
I also used it a couple of weeks ago to generate ramndom times-tables for the fifth grade (though there may well be a better way of producing the numbers 2-12 in random order in a spreadsheet).
Trust me, vlookup and hlookup work just fine in OpenOffice and its predecessors.
hawk
>Yes, there have been major strides since I first experimented with Red Hat 5.2,
*sigh*
Am I going to be spend the whole night typing, "damned newbies" ?
hawk, who learned is Unix on a PDP-11
(cheap, too)
hawk
>effort to place two stereo speakers correctly in their livingroom,
For best results, point the speakers into the room, as opposed to towards the walls . . .
hawk
If you don't have to enter bootstrap code, it ain't old.
Just what *was* Apple thinking when they came out with those Autostart ROMs???
hawk, who still doesn't trust a machine without toggle switches on the front panel . . .
That's still not the same.
I don't know how much BSD code made its way into the kernel, but that's still pieces grafted in, whereas BSD *is* the BSD code, with years of continuous modifications.
If I soup up a Ford, I still have a ford, but sticking a few Ford parts under the hood doesn't turn a Chevy into a Ford.
hawk