But, as Linus recently noted, "all the interesting stuff is on the desktop"
At Als he said "all the interesting stuff will be happening in user space from now on", almost exactly what Alan Cox said 8 months earlier at lca. However you only have to look at the current roster for 2.5 to know they were both talking out their asses.
User space is getting interesting all right, but kernel development hasn't slowed down a bit.
When Lindows was first announced, I thought it could be promising, but they took everything that is great about Linux and through it down the drain... I especially love the idea of repackaging OSS programs and charging for them.
You're smoking something. The GPL has nothing to say about whether you sell GPL-licensed code for money or not, only that you must make the sources available on request for no more than it costs you to provide them.
Lindows is selling dumbed-down convenience in a nice, glossy package, that's their value-add, and I say more power to them. Especially if this lets me migrate the non-geek and MS-addicted members of my family to Linux.
Ogre is a "high-level scene graph engine". This is a level above a standard 3D rendering API, like OpenGL, but a level below a general-purpose game engine. Unfortunately, while high level scene graph engines seem plausible, they're not very useful.
There are quite a few of these things. SGI Inventor was the first major one. Apple had one in Quicktime 3D. Direct-X has one, but Direct-X is mostly used as a low-level drawing API. One was announced for OpenGL (it was called Farenheit) when SGI and Microsoft lost interest, it didn't really bother anybody.
Not to troll, but the front end of Mozilla is ugly as sin.
You aren't using the classic theme, are you? In my opinion the modern (view/apply theme/modern) looks quite nice. Anyway, the big deal about 1.0 is that the interfaces used by themes are finally stable, so expect the floodgates to open.
the Netscape led group has (or will officially) release Mozilla... but is it too late?
Too late to become the dominant browser on Windows? Probably. But too late to help Linux continue its march into mainstream operating system land? No way! And the fact that it runs on Windows is a definite help there.
Also not too late to put a stop to Microsoft's attempts to privatize web standards, not to mention put a serious kink in attempts to force.NET down everybody's throat by way of the browser.
Also, not too late to make all those surfers who like to kill popup ads very happy.
So, how many people are showing up to the release party? I'm in San Jose, so I'll be going to JWZ's lounge - what about the rest of you guys?
Jamie Z is throwing a Moz release party? Are you sure? Does that mean he's sorry about quitting the project and dissing it, just when it was starting to move?
For all the borking I hear on this thread about the "badness" of BK, I have to ask if there are any viable GPL'd alternatives to it?
I am in a position to get a VC system in place at work. We have looked at a lot of commercial stuff, but they leave me kinda dry and with a lot less money. The are very proprietory, usually only work on Windows, and don't work & play well with others.
I think I would love to implement CVS, however there are some problems with this solution. Although it is "Free", GPL'd, open, & x-platform, it is also somewhat difficult to setup, use, & maintaine from an enterprise view.
There are Subversion and Arch. CVS/NG is being talked about.
The parent post, a perfectly normal post, was modded down as 'redundant'. There is a pattern of that here, today (read the modded down posts - yes of course, some are the usual trolls). Who is modding those posts down, and why? Please judge for yourself whether the parent is 'redundant' (and in particular, watch for this post to be modded down).
There was a need for a source code managment tool with some new features. Free ones exist, why not add to them? Then the entire world could benefit.
Free Software will change the world. Companies can still make money and programmers will still have jobs. There will be a market for customising software and adding features. There will be a market for providing training and support (and people will pay it because they didn't spend money of the software).
In fact there will probably be more jobs and more programmers hired because software as a whole will start moving forward at a much quicker pace.
When everyone realises this there will be no market for BitKeeper, to make this happen people must think about Freedom.
It appears we have a biased moderator on the loose. Please read the above article and tell me which part is 'flamebait'. Notice that the article references Larry's very own words, it is not my opinion, but Larry's.
McVoy is hardly anti-free-software. The very fact that he gives away *anything* for free symbolizes that.
Loss leader? 30 day free trial? What has that got with 'free as in freedom'? Larry lets open source projects use BitKeeper for free (for now) so that he can stamp 'Official Source Code Management System of Linux' on the box, and get free advertising. It's not because he loves free (as in freedom) software. In fact, he takes every opportunity to trash the ideals of free-as-in-freedom software and argues that it is anti-business, almost parroting the words of Microsoft. With friends like that...
The very fact that he gives away *anything* for free symbolizes that. (He doesn't have to give anything away.) He makes the simple requirement that the free users use the newest versions for bug reporting reasons.
That's what he says. The less trusting suggest it's so that he can change the licence any time he wants, in particular, he can end the free usage any time he wants. So he's enshrined his right to pull a bait and switch.
So I guess the kernel has suspend support now. That's cool, I use STR on Windows 2000 all the time, it would be cool to have it on Linux, but somehow I don't feel like using a dev-kernel.
I've been using suspend-to-ram on Linux for years. That's just basic apm, you tell the bios to do it and it does it. What's been added is suspend-to-disk without help from the bios. The problem with the bios suspend-to-disk is, it relies on a magic partition that Microsoft knows the details of (presumably by way of a driver provided by the OEM) but we don't. So we just do an end run around the whole thing, and so much for yet another sneaky attempt to make Windows appear more capable than Linux.
You wish. Certainly there's a political element, but the technical aspect far outweighs it. Speaking from experience.
If you were just looking for a technically superior OS you'd be using Solaris or Windows XP, etc.
The Linux kernel leaves the XP kernel pretty much out of the running by any measure. Linux is faster, stays up longer, runs on more different kinds of hardware, is more compact, more configurable, etc. etc.
As compared to Solaris: Solaris still posseses some advantages on big iron machines, and scales better in SMP clusters. However if you follow the 2.5 development work, particularly developments in VM and Numa scalability, you know that these vestigal advantages won't last long at all. Meanwhile, Solaris can't touch Linux in very many areas.
There is no mandate that I have to LIKE RMS. There is no mandate that I have to give ONE iota of respect to RMS. There is no mandate that I have to USE his software. There is no mandate anywhere that says "Thou shalt name your software after RMS."
There is, however, a pretty much universal principle that if you don't accord your fellow man due respect, you are unlikely to be accorded any yourself.
From an objective point of view, I find RMS's argumentation to be logical and well presented, while you seem to be on some kind of crusade. Quite different from how you'd like your writing to be perceived, no? You'd do well to study RMS's writing style. Perhaps you may learn something of why he is asked to speak around the world and you are not.
The main problem is that the industry has narrowed down to these two giants. They have brand recognition. I mean, if a CompUSA started selling PCs or Laptops with Transmeta chips next to a PC or laptop with a "Pentium" chip, which is the consumer going to pick?
Keep it up guys - until they create some sort of 'Linux kernel mailing list' the Slashdot front page is my only source for this information.
I suppose you suggest everybody wade through 250 mails/day to find the interesting ones? The logical extension of your argument is that non news sites are needed because people can do their own research.
What if I'm talking to someone? Much business is done over the telephone or through face-to-face meetings, not through email. With email/usenet/etc. it's easy to spot the difference between "Free" and "free", but what if I want to tell my boss that the new proxy server I installed is "Free"?
Still, I have one issue that's been bugging the daylights out of me with the Radeon8500, more because I can't logically figure out why it would be happening rather than because it's annoying. I've been playing this old game called Oni, and while it runs faster than ever with the new card, and looks simply amazing, I've begun to notice that.. well.. the texture coordinates on the level geometry actually jump around ever so slightly. It's really quite bizarre to watch... : )
It smells like an integer precision problem in the game itself. Do you have any way of checking out the same game on an NVidia card, say?
Think about it: you're faced with a huge audit, that you know you're going to fail. Do you a) pay the huge license & know you'll have to pay it again next year? or b) call in the Linux-install swat team to put Linux on every machine that you can't *prove* is legally a Windows machine, thus avoiding the whole issue for ever?
Cue theme: Who ya gonna call?? Billll-BUSTERS, Billll-BUSTERS!
Another reason they may go after schools with an audit in this way is that they (and I'm just speaking from my own personal experience) sometimes have Microsoft pieces of software with a single-user licence used by the whole school. If schools are flagrantly flouting Microsoft licensing rules then Microsoft are quite entitled to go after them. After all if they're innocent of any wrong doing they have nothing to fear from an audit!
They are certain to be severely inconvenienced by the audit and will be distracted from what they are supposed to be doing - educating - for a significant amount of time, not to mention the straight up expenses.
The only possible interpretation of the situation is legalized extortion.
we now can directly accept Credit Cards in addition to paypal.
Watch out for paypal, here is my experience. That's not the end of it either. One class action suit is already in progress against Palpal, for exactly the things they've done to me, and another is apparently pending.
At least, include a warning not to give Paypal any more of your money than you are willing to kiss goodbye for an indefinite period, for no good reason.
There are alternatives, notably Billpoint which at least hasn't done anything evil to me yet.
I'm amazed that two people modded my comment down. Do they think I'm making this up, or that this information is not relevant to any discussion of Paypal and what its rights may or may not be? Are we out to sob for Paypal here, when they are doing what they are doing to ordinary people, not asking for trouble? Does somebody think that Paypal is actually being honest, and that I am the liar?
If you think that, then google for "Paypal complaint".
Having used paypal quite a bit I think I can answer how there could be harm in giving the money back to the original owner. If you define that as letting the original login have access to it. Because if there was indeed a transfer initiated from your account to another account, that would mean that the 3rd party that was playing with your money had your password and account info. Which would allow them access to it once again if it went back into your account.
No, Paypal can return the money to the account then not process any more withdrawals from it. So nice try, but you cannot absolve Paypal of its disreputable conduct that way.
I think that being chronically understaffed is just another prop in the charade. It gives Paypal a measure of deniability. Hopefully, *you* will not be fooled. Do not entrust Paypal with more money than you can afford to kiss goodbye.
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But, as Linus recently noted, "all the interesting stuff is on the desktop"
At Als he said "all the interesting stuff will be happening in user space from now on", almost exactly what Alan Cox said 8 months earlier at lca. However you only have to look at the current roster for 2.5 to know they were both talking out their asses.
User space is getting interesting all right, but kernel development hasn't slowed down a bit.
When Lindows was first announced, I thought it could be promising, but they took everything that is great about Linux and through it down the drain ... I especially love the idea of repackaging OSS programs and charging for them.
You're smoking something. The GPL has nothing to say about whether you sell GPL-licensed code for money or not, only that you must make the sources available on request for no more than it costs you to provide them.
Lindows is selling dumbed-down convenience in a nice, glossy package, that's their value-add, and I say more power to them. Especially if this lets me migrate the non-geek and MS-addicted members of my family to Linux.
Ogre is a "high-level scene graph engine". This is a level above a standard 3D rendering API, like OpenGL, but a level below a general-purpose game engine. Unfortunately, while high level scene graph engines seem plausible, they're not very useful.
There are quite a few of these things. SGI Inventor was the first major one. Apple had one in Quicktime 3D. Direct-X has one, but Direct-X is mostly used as a low-level drawing API. One was announced for OpenGL (it was called Farenheit) when SGI and Microsoft lost interest, it didn't really bother anybody.
You forgot Java 3D. (R.i.P)
Not to troll, but the front end of Mozilla is ugly as sin.
You aren't using the classic theme, are you? In my opinion the modern (view/apply theme/modern) looks quite nice. Anyway, the big deal about 1.0 is that the interfaces used by themes are finally stable, so expect the floodgates to open.
the Netscape led group has (or will officially) release Mozilla... but is it too late?
.NET down everybody's throat by way of the browser.
Too late to become the dominant browser on Windows? Probably. But too late to help Linux continue its march into mainstream operating system land? No way! And the fact that it runs on Windows is a definite help there.
Also not too late to put a stop to Microsoft's attempts to privatize web standards, not to mention put a serious kink in attempts to force
Also, not too late to make all those surfers who like to kill popup ads very happy.
So, how many people are showing up to the release party? I'm in San Jose, so I'll be going to JWZ's lounge - what about the rest of you guys?
Jamie Z is throwing a Moz release party? Are you sure? Does that mean he's sorry about quitting the project and dissing it, just when it was starting to move?
I love it, if it's true.
For all the borking I hear on this thread about the "badness" of BK, I have to ask if there are any viable GPL'd alternatives to it?
I am in a position to get a VC system in place at work. We have looked at a lot of commercial stuff, but they leave me kinda dry and with a lot less money. The are very proprietory, usually only work on Windows, and don't work & play well with others.
I think I would love to implement CVS, however there are some problems with this solution. Although it is "Free", GPL'd, open, & x-platform, it is also somewhat difficult to setup, use, & maintaine from an enterprise view.
There are Subversion and Arch. CVS/NG is being talked about.
The parent post, a perfectly normal post, was modded down as 'redundant'. There is a pattern of that here, today (read the modded down posts - yes of course, some are the usual trolls). Who is modding those posts down, and why? Please judge for yourself whether the parent is 'redundant' (and in particular, watch for this post to be modded down).
There was a need for a source code managment tool with some new features. Free ones exist, why not add to them? Then the entire world could benefit.
Free Software will change the world. Companies can still make money and programmers will still have jobs. There will be a market for customising software and adding features. There will be a market for providing training and support (and people will pay it because they didn't spend money of the software).
In fact there will probably be more jobs and more programmers hired because software as a whole will start moving forward at a much quicker pace.
When everyone realises this there will be no market for BitKeeper, to make this happen people must think about Freedom.
It appears we have a biased moderator on the loose. Please read the above article and tell me which part is 'flamebait'. Notice that the article references Larry's very own words, it is not my opinion, but Larry's.
McVoy is hardly anti-free-software. The very fact that he gives away *anything* for free symbolizes that.
Loss leader? 30 day free trial? What has that got with 'free as in freedom'? Larry lets open source projects use BitKeeper for free (for now) so that he can stamp 'Official Source Code Management System of Linux' on the box, and get free advertising. It's not because he loves free (as in freedom) software. In fact, he takes every opportunity to trash the ideals of free-as-in-freedom software and argues that it is anti-business, almost parroting the words of Microsoft. With friends like that...
The very fact that he gives away *anything* for free symbolizes that. (He doesn't have to give anything away.) He makes the simple requirement that the free users use the newest versions for bug reporting reasons.
That's what he says. The less trusting suggest it's so that he can change the licence any time he wants, in particular, he can end the free usage any time he wants. So he's enshrined his right to pull a bait and switch.
So I guess the kernel has suspend support now. That's cool, I use STR on Windows 2000 all the time, it would be cool to have it on Linux, but somehow I don't feel like using a dev-kernel.
I've been using suspend-to-ram on Linux for years. That's just basic apm, you tell the bios to do it and it does it. What's been added is suspend-to-disk without help from the bios. The problem with the bios suspend-to-disk is, it relies on a magic partition that Microsoft knows the details of (presumably by way of a driver provided by the OEM) but we don't. So we just do an end run around the whole thing, and so much for yet another sneaky attempt to make Windows appear more capable than Linux.
Actually no, Linux is about politics.
You wish. Certainly there's a political element, but the technical aspect far outweighs it. Speaking from experience.
If you were just looking for a technically superior OS you'd be using Solaris or Windows XP, etc.
The Linux kernel leaves the XP kernel pretty much out of the running by any measure. Linux is faster, stays up longer, runs on more different kinds of hardware, is more compact, more configurable, etc. etc.
As compared to Solaris: Solaris still posseses some advantages on big iron machines, and scales better in SMP clusters. However if you follow the 2.5 development work, particularly developments in VM and Numa scalability, you know that these vestigal advantages won't last long at all. Meanwhile, Solaris can't touch Linux in very many areas.
There is no mandate that I have to LIKE RMS.
There is no mandate that I have to give ONE iota of respect to RMS.
There is no mandate that I have to USE his software.
There is no mandate anywhere that says "Thou shalt name your software after RMS."
There is, however, a pretty much universal principle that if you don't accord your fellow man due respect, you are unlikely to be accorded any yourself.
From an objective point of view, I find RMS's argumentation to be logical and well presented, while you seem to be on some kind of crusade. Quite different from how you'd like your writing to be perceived, no? You'd do well to study RMS's writing style. Perhaps you may learn something of why he is asked to speak around the world and you are not.
The main problem is that the industry has narrowed down to these two giants. They have brand recognition. I mean, if a CompUSA started selling PCs or Laptops with Transmeta chips next to a PC or laptop with a "Pentium" chip, which is the consumer going to pick?
The one without the fan.
Keep it up guys - until they create some sort of 'Linux kernel mailing list' the Slashdot front page is my only source for this information.
I suppose you suggest everybody wade through 250 mails/day to find the interesting ones? The logical extension of your argument is that non news sites are needed because people can do their own research.
What if I'm talking to someone? Much business is done over the telephone or through face-to-face meetings, not through email. With email/usenet/etc. it's easy to spot the difference between "Free" and "free", but what if I want to tell my boss that the new proxy server I installed is "Free"?
Why don't you try 'free source' software?
Still, I have one issue that's been bugging the daylights out of me with the Radeon8500, more because I can't logically figure out why it would be happening rather than because it's annoying. I've been playing this old game called Oni, and while it runs faster than ever with the new card, and looks simply amazing, I've begun to notice that.. well.. the texture coordinates on the level geometry actually jump around ever so slightly. It's really quite bizarre to watch... : )
It smells like an integer precision problem in the game itself. Do you have any way of checking out the same game on an NVidia card, say?
Think about it: you're faced with a huge audit, that you know you're going to fail. Do you a) pay the huge license & know you'll have to pay it again next year? or b) call in the Linux-install swat team to put Linux on every machine that you can't *prove* is legally a Windows machine, thus avoiding the whole issue for ever?
Cue theme: Who ya gonna call?? Billll-BUSTERS, Billll-BUSTERS!
Another reason they may go after schools with an audit in this way is that they (and I'm just speaking from my own personal experience) sometimes have Microsoft pieces of software with a single-user licence used by the whole school. If schools are flagrantly flouting Microsoft licensing rules then Microsoft are quite entitled to go after them. After all if they're innocent of any wrong doing they have nothing to fear from an audit!
They are certain to be severely inconvenienced by the audit and will be distracted from what they are supposed to be doing - educating - for a significant amount of time, not to mention the straight up expenses.
The only possible interpretation of the situation is legalized extortion.
we now can directly accept Credit Cards in addition to paypal.
Watch out for paypal, here is my experience. That's not the end of it either. One class action suit is already in progress against Palpal, for exactly the things they've done to me, and another is apparently pending.
At least, include a warning not to give Paypal any more of your money than you are willing to kiss goodbye for an indefinite period, for no good reason.
There are alternatives, notably Billpoint which at least hasn't done anything evil to me yet.
Sure, paypal stinks sometimes, but there are no clear-cut superior alternatives.
There is Billpoint.
I'm amazed that two people modded my comment down. Do they think I'm making this up, or that this information is not relevant to any discussion of Paypal and what its rights may or may not be? Are we out to sob for Paypal here, when they are doing what they are doing to ordinary people, not asking for trouble? Does somebody think that Paypal is actually being honest, and that I am the liar?
If you think that, then google for "Paypal complaint".
Join one of the two class action lawsuits. Document your fax attempts. You stand to make some good amount of money.
I would very much like to do that. Join the class action suit that is, making money on it is immaterial, not to mention unlikely.
The problem is, I'm a Canadian. Can a Canadian join a class-action suit?
Having used paypal quite a bit I think I can answer how there could be harm in giving the money back to the original owner. If you define that as letting the original login have access to it. Because if there was indeed a transfer initiated from your account to another account, that would mean that the 3rd party that was playing with your money had your password and account info. Which would allow them access to it once again if it went back into your account.
No, Paypal can return the money to the account then not process any more withdrawals from it. So nice try, but you cannot absolve Paypal of its disreputable conduct that way.
I think that being chronically understaffed is just another prop in the charade. It gives Paypal a measure of deniability. Hopefully, *you* will not be fooled. Do not entrust Paypal with more money than you can afford to kiss goodbye.
(My company is getting into Paypal regardless of my repeated cautions.)
Oh, and check out Billpoint. It's operated by Wells Fargo. Perhaps with their long experience they have a clue how to inspire trust in their service.