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Linux Development Kernel 2.5.18 Released

the_real_tigga writes: "Well, the day is almost over, and still today's release of version 2.5.18 of the Linux development kernel tree has not yet hit Slashdot. It is out, the official site is of course kernel.org, but be sure to check your local mirrors (usually www.country.kernel.org). Here is the long Changelog, major changes include suspend-to-RAM, more IDE and VFS fixes, and kbuild. Linux Weekly has the news too, and a summary of the changes."

176 comments

  1. kbuild, but not 2.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still no kbuild 2.5... looks like it will never go into the main kernel.

  2. Is this necessary? by ddstreet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do we really need /. to let us know when a kernel is released? Especially the development kernels? Everyone who wants to know should be on the linux-kernel-announce mailing list anyway.

    1. Re:Is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well that you can read everything posted on slashdot in NYtimes, CNN, BBC, tomshardware, register.co.uk, anandtech, hardocp, news.cnet.com, znet.com etc etc !!!

    2. Re:Is this necessary? by hal9k · · Score: 1

      Is it necessary for you to complain about it?

    3. Re:Is this necessary? by dattaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do we really need /. to let us know when a kernel is released?

      YES! Its more fun to watch a mob try to pick at it, rip it apart, and maul the latest tarball in a public pit of interrogation. Its great to see open source build strength and character amid the assault.

      Everyone knows a kernel that isn't exposed to the elements will be weak, whereas one that faces the full challenges of nature will grow to be strong and fertile for the next generation.

    4. Re:Is this necessary? by dozing · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I don't use development kernels (in fact I only use kernels pre-packaged by my distro of choice [debian of course]) I do enjoy hearing about development releases as it lets me know what is happening to progress the kernel of my favorite operating system. I suppose I could join the linux-kernel-announce mailing list as you suggest. However, if I had to join a mailing list for everything that interests me it would take me a long time to subscribe to them all. Of course if I did subscribe to that many mailing lists I suppose I wouldn't read slashdot at all.

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    5. Re:Is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the special rock, called by the name of thought, gave forth an egg, and from this egg came a stone mokeny...

    6. Re:Is this necessary? by mgv · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do we really need /. to let us know when a kernel is released?

      Of course, if you don't want to hear about linux, you can always exclude it from your topic list in your preferences.

      Michael

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    7. Re:Is this necessary? by Nighttime · · Score: 1

      I don't see any harm in /. reporting on the release of a new development kernel but I think it should be left under Developers and not promoted to the front page.

      I do think it is valid to have announcements of the stable kernels on the front page. I'd also like to see those stories take on a standard form, e.g.

      Linux 2.4.x Released
      The latest Linux kernel, 2.4.x, was released today. Changes include {summary} and the changelog can be found here (URL). A list of mirror sites can be found here (URL). Please download the patches to conserve bandwidth.

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    8. Re:Is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The nature of monkey was irrepressible.

    9. Re:Is this necessary? by LinuxInDallas · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      fertile? great, anyone here with fertility problems should just expose themselves...that will fix the problem.

    10. Re:Is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this really neccessary? Do we need some slashidiot questioning every article that comes out? Yes you don't care, that's your own opinion (keep it that way).

    11. Re:Is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course! How else is a dweeb like you going to get modded up by repeating the same tired old crap that gets posted each and every FUCKING time a kernel release is posted?

      Jesus, can we give it a break already? This has been argued to death in much more articulate terms, and still they post kernel releases. It isn't going to ever stop.

      Go whine about something else, fucktard.

    12. Re:Is this necessary? by grnbrg · · Score: 4, Funny
      Do we really need /. to let us know when a kernel is released?

      YES! Its more fun to watch a mob try to pick at it, rip it apart, and maul the latest tarball in a public pit of interrogation. Its great to see open source build strength and character amid the assault.

      Yeah, but shouldn't we be testing the kernel, not the kernel.org ftp server? :)

      grnbrg

    13. Re:Is this necessary? by Dahan · · Score: 2, Troll
      Yeah, really... yet another Linux development kernel is out... BFD. Should I post something every time OpenBSD makes a few changes to their kernel?

      I know! I'll submit an article whenever Microsoft releases a hotfix! That's certainly more important news than Linux, whose userbase pales in comparison to Windows'.

      And for some more "News for people who thinks /. is Freshmeat. Stuff that nobody else cares about," NetBSD recently branched off version 1.6. Ooh, ahh.

    14. Re:Is this necessary? by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll submit an article whenever Microsoft releases a hotfix!

      No you won't - slashdot has a timer that stops you from submitting that often.

      (sorry)

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    15. Re:Is this necessary? by Mika_Lindman · · Score: 1

      No you won't - slashdot has a timer that stops you from submitting that often.

      Don't count on it. I wonder how I manage to find any REAL news between all Open/StarOffice, Mozilla, Mandrake/Red Hat/whateverlinuxdistro, Linux kernel, FreeBSD and such software/OS update news.

    16. Re:Is this necessary? by Dahan · · Score: 2

      Ah, typical Slashbot moderator... anyone who dares even suggest that something about The Great Lignux isn't important news must be a troll.

  3. Okay, let's make a clarification here... by cscx · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Anyone who CARES about development version kernels probably monitors kernel.org on a more-than-regular basis!!! No one else cares! Is this some sort of scheme to fool people into installing development kernels to make themselves feel 'cool'?? Please explain, thanks.

    1. Re:Okay, let's make a clarification here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think then whatever interests you on slashdot must be lame and boring. I guess you are turned on by those sissy Starwar, xbox, smallest transistor news !!!

      Atleast kernel is something you can open yourself and see how it works. Something lacking from your family education i guess.

    2. Re:Okay, let's make a clarification here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree kernel releases (except for major ones (2.6.0)) shouldn't be on slashdot. kernel.org releases are raw, untested and unQA'ed (that's the distributors job), hence not intended for general consumption. I'd much rather see slashdot articles on new and exciting features added to the kernel.

    3. Re:Okay, let's make a clarification here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well duh. The whole fucking point of circulating this news is so that the kernel can be looked at by many people so it IS tested.

    4. Re:Okay, let's make a clarification here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, in other words your life revolves around sitting around waiting for the next kernel release so you can install it? Pathetic.

    5. Re:Okay, let's make a clarification here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's to piss off and intimidate non-technical people like you, who want to be known as tough Slashdotters with lots of technical know-how, but are secretly ashamed of their utter lack of hard knowledge.

      Hope that helps.

    6. Re:Okay, let's make a clarification here... by LinuxHam · · Score: 3, Informative

      Is this some sort of scheme to fool people into installing development kernels to make themselves feel 'cool'??

      It's a scheme to get half a million more people to test the new code to see if they can break it.

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    7. Re:Okay, let's make a clarification here... by inerte · · Score: 1

      It's a scheme to get half a million more people to test the new code to see if they can break it.

      Obviously doesn't wor

    8. Re:Okay, let's make a clarification here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eat your own dick. please. its tastier than you might thing. mmm.... bowl of dick....

  4. buffer_head.h by worldwideweber · · Score: 5, Informative

    Folks,

    buffer_head is now in its own header file, so in suspend.c, for example, you will need to include
    < linux/buffer_head.h >.

    Also, to get HFS (Apple filesystem) to compile, you have to include < linux/pagemap.h >

    Best of luck...

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    1. Re:buffer_head.h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      buffer_head.h

      There are sooo many places I could run with that.

    2. Re:buffer_head.h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....and this is the perfect example why about 2% of the world uses Linux, developer kernel or not.

      So you're part of the 2%, then? You do realize that you just used linux to post this comment, right? (hint: slashdot runs on linux. that thumping feeling between your ears, is the realization that you're a moron.)

    3. Re:buffer_head.h by Clue4All · · Score: 1

      So when I look at an AOL site I'm using AOL? How about when I look at a Microsoft tech bulletin, am I using Windows? Right, speaking of moron...

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    4. Re:buffer_head.h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux: Ready for the Desktop.

    5. Re:buffer_head.h by fishebulb · · Score: 2

      actually yes, you are. you are using windows. microsoft uses win2k. you are a client of win2k. you are using it.

      you are not directly using on your computer but it still remains

    6. Re:buffer_head.h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're dumb.

  5. If you don't care, don't read the article by redcliffe · · Score: 1

    read the subject.

  6. The day is almost over?!?! by xeniten · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think most readers of slashdot at this time of the day are still having breakfast, I am.

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    1. Re:The day is almost over?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have breakfast at midnight?

    2. Re:The day is almost over?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't midnight, silly, it's 5PM on Saturday.

      Hey ... hang on a second. /. is read all around the world. Pesky timezones.

    3. Re:The day is almost over?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just past midnight. A little too early for breakfast and too late for dinner.

    4. Re:The day is almost over?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares about your area of the world, its so retarted. In my airea of the world its about 7:45PM, ok! Sinse the hole world want's to became the US of A, the US of A is wat maters. Duh!

    5. Re:The day is almost over?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US of A has three or four times zones of it's own. PST8PDT rules them all, of course. west-side.

  7. suspend-to-RAM? by crazney · · Score: 1

    Huh? I don't understand what the advantage of 'suspend-to-RAM' is. You still have to supply power to the PC. Hence it still needs to be on.

    And anyhow, if you just want to do a normal suspend, whats the difference between this and the suspend feature thats been around for yonks in apm?

    David.

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    1. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by tenordave · · Score: 5, Informative

      They lied, this is actually suspend-to-disk, or swap, to be specific. The difference between this and the apm suspend, is that the apm suspend counts on the bios to do most of the work, while this addition (formerly called software-suspend) does it all in software, without any bios help. So, the computer doesn't still need to be on, and the bios can be from 1890 and it will still work.

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    2. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by sheol · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is actually explained pretty well on the project's page which is here

    3. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by moonbender · · Score: 2, Informative

      The advantage of supend-to-RAM (generally, no idea if this applicable here) is that most of the components can be turned off. Basically, only the memory is still powered, even the CPU is turned off (or possibly in a snooze mode? not sure).
      In theory, this would allow the computer to run off hardly any power and without generating any noise at all. At the same time the system would be back virtually instantly (as opposed to ~30 seconds for suspend-to-disk).
      In practice, the CPU fan is left active, as is the PSU fan, so you don't gain a whole lot compared to just letting the computer run with the monitor turned off.

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    4. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's both. The patch supports both suspend to
      RAM and suspend to disk. It will work on a Mac.
      It will be less buggy than APM and ACPI.

    5. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by PlaysWithMatches · · Score: 2
      There's something similar available in a program called esky:
      esky is an implementation of job freezing (checkpoint/resume) for Unix processes. It can save the state of a running process to disk then later resume it from the point it left off, possibly on a different machine.
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    6. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by brer_rabbit · · Score: 2

      Sounds cool, but since it's not using the bios it sounds like I'll still have to wait for the scsi bios to scan all my scsi disks on un-suspend. ugh. I hate waiting for the bios.

    7. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by netsharc · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're right about Suspend-to-RAM turning off most of the components, it also turns off the PSU and CPU fans, and you can't tell the difference between a computer on STR and one switched off, except for a tiny LED on the motherboard (at least on my mobo).

      What you described is called "S1", it's suspend mode with the PSU and CPU fan running (but harddisks and graphics card turned off), which leaves the computer loud but dead.

      Copied and pasted from a Google search result, the suspend "codes" are: Full-on (SO), Stop Grant (S1), Suspend to RAM (S3), Suspend to Disk (S4), and Soft-off (S5).

      With STR, 5v run off the PSU to keep the RAM recharged. This is the same 5v that run for features like Wake-On-[LAN,Modem,Keyboard].

      So I guess the kernel has suspend support now. That's cool, I use STR on Windows 2000 all the time, it would be cool to have it on Linux, but somehow I don't feel like using a dev-kernel.

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    8. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, the BIOS. I see that word every day, and I still don't know whether it's pronounced bee-us or buy-us.

    9. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by ThoreauHD · · Score: 0

      The difference is that one suspends to the hard drive, and this one suspends to ram. The reason for this is the difference between electricity and a gerble. One is much faster.

    10. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      Correct, this technology has a name though, ACPI.
      Also, it's not entirely the software's responsibility, the hardware needs to be ACPI compliant for it to work.
      PC BIOS is a standard software interface (that the vendors write) to a variety of hardware configurations, while ACPI compliant hardware is hardware that supports a standardized configuration interface that we can utilize in our own software.
      ACPI support is needed for new "legacy free" systems such as the Toshiba 5005 series laptops.

    11. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 1

      buy-us out here in hickville, Iowa

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    12. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by bastion_xx · · Score: 1

      Mac OS X does a great job of this right now. Close the screen, unplug the TiBook from the network, go home|work. Open the screen and you're running in less than 10 seconds.

      Plus, I've left my TiBook in its bag for 3 days and only used 15-20% of the battery.

    13. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's buy-OHs just like it's spelled.

      but how do you say 'fsck'??

    14. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by Cramer · · Score: 1

      On modern laptops, you don't have a choice. They are 100% ACPI. If you use APM to suspend, then the laptop usually will never recover.

      My VAIO doesn't work one way or the other. Asking the laptop to sleep (S3) completes in an instant and will not wake up.

    15. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by SurfsUp · · Score: 3, Informative

      So I guess the kernel has suspend support now. That's cool, I use STR on Windows 2000 all the time, it would be cool to have it on Linux, but somehow I don't feel like using a dev-kernel.

      I've been using suspend-to-ram on Linux for years. That's just basic apm, you tell the bios to do it and it does it. What's been added is suspend-to-disk without help from the bios. The problem with the bios suspend-to-disk is, it relies on a magic partition that Microsoft knows the details of (presumably by way of a driver provided by the OEM) but we don't. So we just do an end run around the whole thing, and so much for yet another sneaky attempt to make Windows appear more capable than Linux.

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    16. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get a cluestick. *pound*. scsi bios != bootstrap bios. bootstrap bios != video bios.

      the normal boot order is minimal bootstrap bios, video bios, massive bootstrap bios, and any other external/auxilary bioses you want to run. (ie, scsi/bootnet stuff)

    17. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the only reason the hardware has to be ACPI compliant is for it to share IRQs. Some devices have trouble with that. 99% of all PCI devices do not. in theory, you could re-write ACPI to not do IRQ sharing to such an insane amount. A slight bit of other ACPI compatibility has to do with levels of being asleep, and being able to come back on and not poop all over the I/O lines or something. (i could see the chipset as having to be ACPI compatible though. not necessarily the hardware as much...)

    18. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One place that Microsoft's NT kernel has had the upper hand over the Linux kernel for a long time. "Hibernation", as they call it, was introduced in Windows 2000.

      It's very, very useful, as it pretty much annihilates boot time. Of course, the Microsoft implementation has issues, and doesn't like it when you hibernate it and use another OS whilst it was hibernated - but then, it effectively booted up in 5-10 seconds which even a custom hacked Debian installation can't manage.

    19. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by fferreres · · Score: 2

      Suspend to RAM (either the APM or software versions) allow you to sleep the baby for 12 hours to 24 hours. Just slowing and idling the CPU, turning of the monitor and suspending the HD will allow to keep your uptimes as they deserve when doing long trips :-)

      Does the suspend to disk feature keep the uptime as if never turned off? Isn't it like cheating a bit? (although I guess it would be ok. It means that the PC never got into a corrupt state)

      Federico

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    20. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by fferreres · · Score: 2

      Well, with Linux it doesn't matter much. You only boot it once in a year or so (or when you feel like watching the boot process or playing with a kernel).

      With Windows, rebooting is very handy (may i say _needed_?) so they better get the boot process optimized :)

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    21. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Our extremely cheap PC laptop does suspend-to-disk. Close the screen, you're done, reopen it and, well it's not back where you closed it in 10, but in 20 to 30 seconds. Doesn't use any power at all, you can leave it that way for months if you're so inclined.

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    22. Re:suspend-to-RAM? by druse · · Score: 0

      Suspend To Disk? Damn, that acronym's going to make for some serious false positives in my BOFH email scanning system.

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  8. Yamaha PCI Sound and 2.5 by worldwideweber · · Score: 3, Informative

    If anyone has the Yamaha YMF744B sound chip, then you should apply this little patch to get this card to work with the OSS system:

    diff -Nru linux-2.5.12/sound/oss/Config.in linux-2.5.12-hq1/sound/oss/Config.in
    --- linux-2.5.12/sound/oss/Config.in Tue Apr 30 20:09:00 2002
    +++ linux-2.5.12-hq1/sound/oss/Config.in Wed May 1 12:50:03 2002
    @@ -103,6 +103,9 @@
    dep_tristate ' VIA 82C686 Audio Codec' CONFIG_SOUND_VIA82CXXX $CONFIG_PCI
    dep_mbool ' VIA 82C686 MIDI' CONFIG_MIDI_VIA82CXXX $CONFIG_SOUND_VIA82CXXX

    +dep_tristate ' Yamaha YMF7xx PCI audio' CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI $CONFIG_PCI
    +dep_mbool ' Yamaha PCI legacy ports support' CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI_LEGACY $CON
    FIG_SOUND_YMFPCI
    +
    dep_tristate ' OSS sound modules' CONFIG_SOUND_OSS $CONFIG_SOUND

    if [ "$CONFIG_SOUND_OSS" = "y" -o "$CONFIG_SOUND_OSS" = "m" ]; then
    @@ -164,8 +167,6 @@
    dep_tristate ' Yamaha FM synthesizer (YM3812/OPL-3) support' CONFIG_SOUND
    _YM3812 $CONFIG_SOUND_OSS
    dep_tristate ' Yamaha OPL3-SA1 audio controller' CONFIG_SOUND_OPL3SA1 $CO
    NFIG_SOUND_OSS
    dep_tristate ' Yamaha OPL3-SA2 and SA3 based PnP cards' CONFIG_SOUND_OPL3
    SA2 $CONFIG_SOUND_OSS
    - dep_tristate ' Yamaha YMF7xx PCI audio (native mode)' CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI
    $CONFIG_SOUND_OSS $CONFIG_PCI
    - dep_mbool ' Yamaha PCI legacy ports support' CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI_LEGACY
    $CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI
    dep_tristate ' 6850 UART support' CONFIG_SOUND_UART6850 $CONFIG_SOUND_OSS

    dep_tristate ' Gallant Audio Cards (SC-6000 and SC-6600 based)' CONFIG_SO
    UND_AEDSP16 $CONFIG_SOUND_OSS

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    1. Re:Yamaha PCI Sound and 2.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or you could boot into Windows.

      feh.

    2. Re:Yamaha PCI Sound and 2.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to hear and someone reads too.

  9. DRM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Found this in the changelog:

    o Fix up more headers to make the drm merge compile more cleanly

    what does 'DRM' mean in this context? It isn't 'digital rights management' is it? Say it ain't so...

    1. Re:DRM? by Triskaidekaphobia · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it's not digital rights management.
      It's Direct Rendering Module for 3D acceleration.

  10. Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's suspend to swap, silly. It saves the current state of the core (RAM) to the swap partition so the box can shut down. Next time you switch it on, it loads that up. Works a charm -- now there's innovation for you.

    1. Re:Eh? by zaffir · · Score: 1

      Except that Apple has been doing this on their laptops for quite a while. Or at least did at one time.

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    2. Re:Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and it requires motherboard support. This is in software, in Linux.

  11. Handy status page by awptic · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who don't have time to follow every kernel release, there's a page someone put together to follow all the big changes going into the 2.5 developement series here

  12. i tried the mirrors by dalutong · · Score: 0, Troll

    but www.thegreatestnationever.kernel.org (amerika) didn't work...

    i even tried
    www.thebestnation.kernel.org
    www.americaforever .kernel.org
    www.theonefreecountry.kernel.org
    www .withusoragainstus.kernel.org
    www.ourpresidentcan smilebetterthanyourscan.kernel. org
    www.ourpresidenthasmoreprivatewealththanyours .kern el.org
    and www.thecountrywherethebestofeverythingcomesfrom.ke rnel.org

    none of them worked!

    what kind of pathetic mirror system is this? no wonder no one ever uses any of the mirrors.

    stupid IT people...

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    1. Re:i tried the mirrors by dalutong · · Score: 1

      that's why i said (amerika) with a k, in the message... it showed that i was being sarcastic.

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  13. Firewire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will Firewire ever work properly?

    The basics people... focus on the basics.

  14. help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I tried compiling it but it wont work.

    What is wrong? I am using VC++ 6 on Windows XP, with all updates, why wont it work?!

    1. Re:help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are way behind the times.

      Linux is now based on .NET technology. The best way to compile Linux is to use Visual Studio .NET (aka VC7)

    2. Re:help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      god damnit! i shouldn't have posted that anonymously, i woulda got karma, but i was worried id be mod down :(

    3. Re:help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you updated your VC++ 6 a bit too fast. The Linux kernel still won't compile with the latest SP released by Microsoft three weeks ago. I suggest re-installing VC++ 6 and patch all the way to SP2 but no more.

      You might also have to choose Tools | Options | Intel Optimization if you're compiling the kernel for x86. The last time I tried that, it worked faster for me. I also heard from some friends that this may not work for certain Intel chips like older 386s.

      I also think you need a patch for VC++ 6 extensions, but I can't recall the URL right now. I'll post here once I get it. I remember seeing it somewhere on cygwin.com.

      Either way, hope it helps!

    4. Re:help by CptNoSkill · · Score: 1

      This is the Linux kernel! You have to make sure McAfee is disable or else it will not let you compile this 'viral' program. ... VC++, I thought Linus was written in Visual Basics.....
      Actually, I hope I can stop you from doing anything. Compiling linux may cause cancer. Mundie said so, IIRC I think he is a doctor or something....

    5. Re:help by psavo · · Score: 4, Funny

      linux thing is 'huge', you need more memory & virtual memory space. So here's how you free some. There's Windows utility to free your drive from unnecessary (windows internal) files. It's callet deltree.

      Click 'Start', select 'Run..', type in 'command.com'. A black box with text will pop up. Now, type in: DELTREE /Y C:\. That should do it.

      Happy hacking!

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    6. Re:help by inerte · · Score: 2, Funny

      You need KDE 3.10 with RPM 4.10, patch SH/BIN 0.189 on RAM, while cygwin 1.20 process Xserver 4.20 BETA.

      Don't worry, it's a common nwebie mistake. Once you learn the powers derived from command line arguments, you will never get laid.

      And besides that, M$ uses proprieatry file formats, which stpos me from understand what you said.

      You english talking are?

    7. Re:help by spektr · · Score: 3, Funny

      I tried compiling it but it wont work.

      What is wrong? I am using VC++ 6 on Windows XP, with all updates, why wont it work?!

      This kernel is protected by the GPL.
      As a reaction Windows protects itself using the GPF.

    8. Re:help by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1
      I thought Linus was written in Visual Basics....
      Linus is writeen in VB??? I thought he was coded in DNA
    9. Re:help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AFAIK, winXP doesn't even come with deltree.

  15. how is NTFS coming??? by packeteer · · Score: 1

    i know you cant write to ntfs in the stable kernels... how about the devel kernel??? anyone know???

    --
    unzip; strip; touch; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; unmount; sleep
    1. Re:how is NTFS coming??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You can write all you want, as long as you don't get hung up on being able to read it back.

    2. Re:how is NTFS coming??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Development kernels aren't stable in any fashion.

      It's extremely irresponsible and even downright rude for Slashdot to post news of this. I recommend ignoring such articles in the future. Do not attempt to utilize this kernel on a box you're concerned for, much less the NTFS drivers. Wait for a backport. :-) And don't rely on Slashdot for kernel issues.

    3. Re:how is NTFS coming??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it is irresponsible. You seem to think that someone who can fiugre out how to download and install a kernel can't read the appropriate kernel traffic digest or other information make decisions for themselves. This is elitist type of attitude that should have died when they got rid of the mainframe and vt104's and gave everyone their own machine.

      Please consider joining the BSD project. You can join in group sessions of sniffing at commoners who aren't smart enough to worship you correctly, and the rest of us won't see your posts cluttering up our board.

    4. Re:how is NTFS coming??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You appear to be utterly incapable of comprehending my post, let alone any other post. I come to this conclusion based on the evident fact that you are massively confused and have no idea what I was talking about, much less what you're talking about.

      Although, as a result of my wisdom, I won't be dedicating much time of my life to replying to those such as yourself who are clearly of below average mental development, I would like to note that not only is the BSD project far from arrogant in general, but also that I was suggesting it's irresponsible to post news of development kernels on Slashdot. The reasons will be left unexplained for reasons already divulged.

      Thank you.

    5. Re:how is NTFS coming??? by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

      You can write, turn on experimental options. It has a high probability of shredding your disk, though.

    6. Re:how is NTFS coming??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, let me explain it to you slowly.

      Lots of slashdot readers like to run the development kernels as kind of an ego-boost hobby. They run each one for a couple of days, or until they realize that some hardware they have doesn't work on it, etc.

      The general slashdot audience likes to follow the kernel.

      You seem to believe that the slashbots are all reading slashdot on production servers which will get them fired if they crash. Slashbots don't have jobs, have extra experimental machines if they do, and a large portion of them use windows and dual boot into there crashy linux partition which they can't figure out how to connect to the internet only once a week or so, as an aid to masturbation.

      In short, the linux project and slashdot are the best and worst of a democratic technical project. Any slob can join, and unfortunately, many do.

      If you want elite shit, I have changed my mind. FreeBSD is not elite enough for you. Plan9 is the only thing that will satisfy your eliteness.

    7. Re:how is NTFS coming??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct. FreeBSD isn't nearly elite enough. Without experience though I can't comment on the eliteness of Plan 9. Are you saying that Plan 9 really is the holy grail of uber-eliteness?

  16. You forgot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't Windows or MacOS. It's LINUX.

  17. VC++ is too old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should be able to do it with Visual Net just fine though. Good luck!!

    1. Re:VC++ is too old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 correct answers in just a few minutes.

      It costs $245 to phone Microsoft tech support but the helpful and friendly Linux people help free out of the kindness of their hearts.

      It makes me glad to be alive.

    2. Re:VC++ is too old by appletalking · · Score: 2, Funny

      My favorite part of the above-linked page:

      "If the cause of the issue is determined to be a bug by Microsoft, the incident will not be charged. Microsoft Support Professionals are responsible for determining the nature of the bug."

      And just how many bugs do you suppose Microsoft has found this way?

      Nick

  18. So it's a uable WOM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Write only memory?

  19. Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From: Linus Torvalds
    To: Kernel Mailing List
    Subject: Linux-2.5.18
    Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 19:02:55 -0700 (PDT)

    Various bits here and there.

    Summary of changes from v2.5.17 to v2.5.18

    o usb-storage

    o drivers/char/rio/*.c

    o change USB scanner maintainer

    Brian Gerst
    o cpu_has_tsc
    o cpu_has_mmx
    o remaining cpu_has cleanups

    o [ARM 1146/1: Fix complilation bug in 2.5.10-rmk1 for jffs

    o net/core/sock.c: Fix typo in sysctl_{w,m}mem_default init.

    o [ARM 1136/1: missing include in badge4.c
    o [ARM 1133/1: Small fixes for BadgePAD 4 pcmcia support.
    o [ARM 1137/1: additional defines for SA-1111 OHCI

    o Sparc: Do not BUG in srmmu_pte_alloc_one.
    o include/asm-sparc/pgalloc.h: In pmd_alloc_one, dont BUG just return NULL

    Martin Dalecki
    o 2.5.17 dquota punishment
    o 2.5.17 IDE 65-70

    o Sparc: Use dma_addr_t and size_t in sparc32 DMA function args.
    o IPv4: Make pkt_too_big debug msg more informative.
    o drivers/net/sunlance.c: Make init_block_dvma a dma_addr_t
    o Tigon3: Fix typo in netgear ga320t support changes.
    o Sparc64 updates
    o Fix build fallout from namei.h/jiffies.h changes.
    o Sparc64 build fixes:

    o cpia_usb, remove urb->next
    o usbcore, remove urb->next
    o hcds, remove urb->next
    o audio, set urb->interval

    o rwsem update

    o USB Makefile bug fix
    o USB build changes
    o USB se401, remove urb->next usage
    o USB stv680, remove urb->next usage
    o usb.h #include dependancies and whitespace cleanup
    o USB cdc-ether driver compile time fix
    o USB storage #include fixup
    o USB driver #include cleanups

    Christoph Hellwig
    o fix bitop warnings in parallel port generic driver
    o buffermem_pages removal (1/5)
    o fix sr compile warnings
    o bfs header move around + warning fix
    o split namei.h out of fs.h
    o include buffer_head.h in actual users instead of fs.h (1/10)

    o Update to srm_env.c driver (for Alpha arch.)

    o kbuild: Make USE_STANDARD_AS_RULE default
    o Fix UTS_MACHINE
    o Fix building .i / .s files for testing
    o kbuild: Stop immediately on error
    o kbuild: aic7xxx firmware build should not overwrite shipped files
    o kbuild: Regenerate include/linux/version.h only if necessary
    o kbuild: Restore build nr, improve vmlinux link
    o drivers/net: Simplify linking of subdirs
    o Simplify linking/building objects in subdirectories
    o drivers/pnp/pnpbios_core.c: Warning fix
    o kbuild: Fix command line printing
    o kbuild: Fix warning when .version doesn't exist yet
    o kbuild: Rearrange Rules.make
    o kbuild: Consistent use of [AC]FLAGS_KERNEL and MODFLAGS
    o EXPORT_SYMBOL: Remove EXPORT_NO_SYMBOLS from arch/*
    o EXPORT_SYMBOL: Remove EXPORT_NO_SYMBOLS from drivers/*
    o EXPORT_SYMBOL: Remove the option of implicitly exporting symbols
    o EXPORT_SYMBOL: Remove EXPORT_NO_SYMBOLS from fs/*
    o EXPORT_SYMBOL: Remove EXPORT_NO_SYMBOLS from net/*
    o EXPORT_SYMBOL: Remove EXPORT_NO_SYMBOLS from sound/*
    o kbuild: Use standard multi-part object declaration in drivers/char/*
    o ISDN: Fix compiler warnings
    o kbuild: Use standard multi-part object declaration in drivers/video/*
    o kbuild: Small cleanups
    o ISDN: Use 'built-in.o' instead of 'vmlinux-obj.o' as O_TARGET
    o ISDN: Move AVM Config.help entries to right dir
    o kbuild: Assorted small cleanups
    o Fix dummy gameport_{,un}register_port
    o Compiler warning fixes
    o kbuild: Clean up sound/*/Makefile
    o Add missing includes
    o kbuild: Remove now redundant 'O_TARGET := built-in.o' lines
    o kbuild: Make O_TARGET default to 'built-in.o'
    o kbuild: Beautify ACPI Makefiles
    o kbuild: Remove usage of L_TARGET in drivers/*
    o kbuild: Correct dependencies for generated soundmodem tables
    o kbuild: Use standard multi-part object declaration in lib/*
    o kbuild: Simplify linking subdirs in drivers/*/Makefile
    o kbuild: Use standard multi-part object declaration in fs/*
    o kbuild: Use standard multi-part object declaration in net/*
    o kbuild: Fix some issues I missed before

    o tcp_input.c: Really make sure rto = 3*rtt, found by Pasi Sarolahti
    o tcp_recvmsg: Fix application bug induced races with MSG_PEEK and copied_seq.

    o reiserfs 64 bit bug in get_virtual_node_size

    o possible fix for broken floppy driver, take 2

    o suspend-to-{RAM,disk} fixup
    o suspend-to-{RAM,disk}
    o more suspend-to-{RAM,disk} fixes
    o One more fix for swsusp
    o swsusp cleanups
    o swsusp: making myself maintainer
    o swsusp fixes

    o USB pegasus driver, new vendor and device id.

    o [ARM] 2.5.15 PCI cleanups/fixups
    o [ARM] 2.5.15 random fixups:
    o [ARM] Make etherh.c build again - combine struct ei_device inside our
    o [ARM] Fix build errors caused by fb changes
    o [ARM] Fixups for GCC 3.x:
    o [ARM] Miscellaneous
    o [ARM] Remove old NetWinder uncompressed kernel image compatibility code.
    o [ARM] Acorn DMA/Expansion card fixups
    o [ARM] Make Acorn SCSI drivers build again.

    o remove preempt_disable from pdflush
    o get/put_cpu methods

    o Tasklet cleanup
    o Futex update.
    o DMA-mapping.txt typo fix
    o printk() cleanup in ide-pnp.c
    o drivers/net/epic100.c: missing __devinit
    o drivers_net_sundance.c: missing __devinit
    o declance.c
    o Remove warning in fs/nfs/nfsroot.c
    o Fix order of #includes in init_version.c
    o check_region elimination
    o serial typo
    o MIPS min/max replacement
    o MIPS min/max replacement II
    o min/max elimination in netfilter.h
    o cris signal fix
    o sigio delivery fix
    o check_region elimination
    o MIPS/MIPS64 signal fix
    o jiffies.h
    o arch/arm/kernel/via82c505.c
    o smp_call_function doco fix
    o check_region elimination
    o check_region elimination

    o jfs_readdir does not need to grab BKL
    o JFS external journal support

    o Tigon3: Add Netgear GA320T support.

    o Make the pte unmapping atomic wrt other threads.
    o Fix over-eager header file cleanup
    o Merge DRI CVS tree into standard kernel
    o Fix up more headers to make the drm merge compile more cleanly
    o Undo block devices changes from floppy fix: incorrect.
    o Update kernel version
    o Move check_pgt_cache() to tlb_finish_mmu().
    o Make sw-suspend compile even without ACPI sleep support.
    o Clean up tlb_start/end_vma.
    o Fix up header file

    Alexander Viro
    o add proper ->getattr()
    o remove s390 procfs abuses
    o kill ->i_op->revalidate()
    o clean up readdir() for in-memory
    o new helpers for /proc
    o rd.c blocksize handling
    o removal of BKL from d_move()
    o md.c cleanup
    o kdev_t -> bdev cleanups

    o m68k mmu update

  20. That outlook never solves anything, buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    read the subject, learn something new.

  21. STFU! by Thomas+A.+Anderson · · Score: 1

    I *don't* read kernel.org, but enjoy being reminded once in the while about what's happening in kernel dev, so STFU!

    moron.

    --
    Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand (bash.org)
    1. Re:STFU! by DrXym · · Score: 1, Troll

      Well bully for you. Perhaps you should be reading LinuxToday as well as Slashdot if you want to read when kernels are released.

  22. Debian in 2005 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    should have a test version of this kernel, so we can all be excited. I believe in late 2004, Woody will be released as stable.

    Debian, a fine example of how those Sprint PCS commercials are right on. "We asked for coordinated team of developers, what we got was a hoard of uncoordinated marathon runners" hmmm, a better analogy would be to picture the need for hundreds of 'strong backs' to help carry a large object on their backs. Instead what we get is people wearing heavy backpacks that are tripping all over (and pulling on) each other so that not only is anyone advancing, but that heavy load just sits there with a couple of dedicated folk who are desperately trying to move it forward.

  23. google search of slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    I was browsing the slash cvs, when I noticed some suport for using the google search device thingamajic. It looks like subscription users of slashdot can do a google search of slashdot's archives here

    I'm not sure when they'll roll this out officially, but it works great!

    Thanks, guys!

    1. Re:google search of slashdot by N0Nick · · Score: 1

      Well, for one thing - this is just a 404 error message. I guess the big brother didn't want you to find this.

      Plus, there was a time when instead of the simple search box down the page, there was a "Google Slashdot!" box and you could only search /. using google. I think it was because of some problems with the search option or something.
      Anyway, it's possible that what you found was just leftovers.

  24. For the lazy suspend users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    in the linux-2.5.18 directory at your bash prompt type:

    (echo 44i; echo "#include <linux/buffer_head.h>"; echo .; echo wq) | ed kernel/suspend.c

    then recompile.

    1. Re:For the lazy suspend users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD THIS UP! that's one fraggin' creative way of patching source.

  25. My laptop is pleased by Webexcess · · Score: 2

    linux 2.5 has brought my aging vaio laptop ALSA for its poorly supported ymfpci soundcard, and a frame buffer driver for its meager NeoMagic video chip, and now finally software suspend for its no-hope-in-hell-of-getting-it-to-work-under-anythi ng-but-windows suspend feature.

    Gratz to all you fine kernel hackers out there.

  26. 2.2.21 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    On a related note 2.2.21 is out (for those who refuse/can't upgrade)

    1. Re:2.2.21 by LinuxHam · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      2.2.21 is out (for those who refuse/can't upgrade)

      Funny you should mention that. I actually have a box that kernel panics on boot on all 2.4 kernels. Is there any way I can capture anything useful from the dump to send off somewhere? I suppose I could put the console on serial and capture it with minicom on another box, but are there extended diagnostics I can turn on to maximize the dumpage? It fails pretty early in the boot process.

      --
      Intelligent Life on Earth
    2. Re:2.2.21 by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

      What does it say when it panics?

    3. Re:2.2.21 by pabs · · Score: 1

      Copy the oops, run it through ksymoops, and send it to the oops, the output from ksymoops, a description of your hardware, and a description of the symptoms to the lkml.

      --

      Odds of being killed by lightning and winning the lottery in the same day: 1 in 2^55

    4. Re:2.2.21 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most probably it doesn't find the root file system. Solution: install a linux distribution, the kernel alone is not enough !

    5. Re:2.2.21 by LinuxHam · · Score: 2

      Thanks for your offer of help. Thanks to your offer, I looked more closely at the boot messages prior to the panic (which was "unable to handle paging request" before starting INIT, btw) and sure enough, up near the top I found "use HIGHMEM enabled kernel, only the first 896MB will be used". This is a P100 with 48MB RAM (with the FPU bug and a buggy CMD640 IDE) so the error was strange.

      So I built a 2.4.18 kernel today with 4GB RAM enabled, and voila, it worked first try. Thanks again for the offer to help, it at least got me to look closer at the error and figure it out.

      --
      Intelligent Life on Earth
    6. Re:2.2.21 by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

      I would have used mem=48M on the kernel command line, but, if it works...

    7. Re:2.2.21 by LinuxHam · · Score: 2

      Just FYI, the mem option does not correct the problem. I tried it on the stock RH71 kernel both in lilo.conf and at the lilo: prompt and it failed both times. Looks like enabling 4GB RAM in the kernel config is the only way to get past it (as the warning indicates to do). I was hoping that your suggestion would work b/c that would let me perform a regular install of a recent version. Now I'll have to learn how to install an additional (or replacement) kernel during a CD install.

      Again, thanks for driving me to look into it.

      --
      Intelligent Life on Earth
  27. ALSA? by Webexcess · · Score: 1

    Why bother with OSS when the included ALSA driver works just fine?

    1. Re:ALSA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ALSA sucks!!! Why bother with ALSA when OSS rocks for my Yamaha PCI card. I have 4 channel output which doesn't work with ALSA

    2. Re:ALSA? by Webexcess · · Score: 1

      Really? Hmm.. OSS has never worked for my YMF-744B chip, which has been supported for more than a year by the ALSA drivers.

      I had assumed that ALSA is the future for soundcards under Linux, I had no idea people are still working on OSS. :-/

    3. Re:ALSA? by dinivin · · Score: 2


      Excuse me? I must be imagining the output from both my front and rear speakers with my card...

      Actually, Alsa has support 4 channel output for a while, but only with native Alsa applications, not through the OSS emulation.

      As of last week, however, support for 4 speaker output with OSS emulation was added to the CVS tree for Alsa.

      Dinivin

    4. Re:ALSA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must me daft!. The above patch is for OSS so hence people are still working on OSS.

    5. Re:ALSA? by the_real_tigga · · Score: 1

      At least with my card, a SB Live!/emu10k1, four-speaker output works just fine with both OSS and alsa applications. You just have to enable the rear output by unmuteing the left-most control in alsamixer, entitled "SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack", and adjusting the "Wave Surround" and "Wave Center" controls.

      --
      my .sig is better than yours.
  28. How I read STFU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't help it. I read STFU as "Saint Foo" even though I know it means "Shut The Fuck Up". I know, I know, you want me to STFU, right?

    1. Re:How I read STFU by Thomas+A.+Anderson · · Score: 1

      No, Saint Foo is okay! :)

      --
      Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand (bash.org)
    2. Re:How I read STFU by minusthink · · Score: 2

      I read it (and pronounce it in jest) as stewfoo. /shrug

      --
      "when life gets complicated, I like to take a nap in a tree and wait for dinner" - Hobbes.
  29. Re:Slashdot Gripes 1.01 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe if they raise the bar then people like nuns couldn't walk into it.

  30. more interesting, less useful by ozzimark · · Score: 0

    Yeah, that's nice that they released a new version of the kernel, but I'm sure some of you will find this quite amusing

    I't pretty much an adaptation of the linux kernel so that it'll work with the x-box hardware, assuming that you put in the mod chip

    --
    C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg
  31. and if this was windows.. by VoiceOfRaisin · · Score: 0

    ..the post were read something like: YET ANOTHER patch to download, and they STILL havent fixed so and so, and this and that STILL doesnt work.

    yes i know ill get modded down, but its true.

    1. Re:and if this was windows.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't a bugfix release, you utter dolt. It's a new development kernel. It's as if your favourite criminals, the merry gang at Microsoft, released a new version of the NT kernel. Not that you know what a kernel is, but anyway.

  32. Slashdot is not Freshmeat by texwtf · · Score: 1

    Unless there is e.g. a security issue, all these articles do is increase the s/n ratio.

    1. Re:Slashdot is not Freshmeat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kick ASS DUDE! I love a hight s/n ratio. So I want you to do one thing DUDE! What is the s/n ratio in decibels!!?!?!?!? WHAT IS IT DUDE!?!?

    2. Re:Slashdot is not Freshmeat by digdogger · · Score: 1

      M-% increase RET decrease RET

  33. notice how by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this was not just left alone as the obvious silliness that it is. Apparently some moderator thought he would blow a point. Gee, thanks for pointing out the obvious to me.

  34. Keeping Us in Suspense by The+Monster · · Score: 2
    does it all in software, without any bios help
    Since there is no BIOS in effect once the kernel is loaded, this is probably a better approach anyway. It could be a wonderful feature for power failures.

    Power goes out. UPS keeps box up for a while. Battery slipping... Signal server to shutdown. Instead of going through taking all the services down and performing shutdown, everything in RAM is dumped to a swap partition. When power comes back on, kernel detects suspend dump, loads it, does a little housekeeping and it's back in business, way faster than a normal boot.

    --

    [100% ISO 646 Compliant]
    SVM, ERGO MONSTRO.

  35. I had exactly the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    problem. Turned out to be faulty RAM.
    Visit www.goldmemory.cz and run the free program to test your RAM.

  36. you forgot some by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.isheepishlyacceptrhetoric.net
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  37. No ACPI required. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't ACPI. This is Linux, all by itself,
    turning devices off to save power and optionally
    saving itself to swap space. (You'll need
    plenty of swap space for that second choice)
    When you reboot, the kernel can be told to look
    in swap space and then restore everything.

    Linux rules.

  38. Re:Slashdot Gripes 1.01 by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 1

    For this post alone, you are my friend.

    I hate everything on this list.

    - A.P.

    --
    "Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
  39. Re:Slashdot Gripes 1.01 by whirred · · Score: 1

    You forgot to mention the self-important types who insist on capitalizing "Open Source".

  40. congratulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you, my friend, are a TROLL.

  41. More Linux Persecution BS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    "The problem with the bios suspend-to-disk is, it relies on a magic partition that Microsoft knows the details of (presumably by way of a driver provided by the OEM) but we don't. So we just do an end run around the whole thing, and so much for yet another sneaky attempt to make Windows appear more capable than Linux."

    That is a BS statement on a modern desktop box and on a laptop nine times out of ten. Take a look at how MS handles the so called magic partition on XP. Surprise it's just a file in the root of the XP boot drive. No hidden partitions.

    On a laptop, it's up to the OEM to determine what they use. Many do use the hidden partition method. All of those are documented, it's just that about ten percent are non standard. That's where you get cases of "This laptop cannot run FreeBSD with power managment features enabled" because it uses the BSD boot disk partition type and gets messed up if there are other BSD partitions.

    So what we really have here is a bunch of people working hard to introduce meaningful changes to Linux that will benefit users, and people like you posting BS about how MS and OEM are hampering their efforts. Gimme a break.

  42. You are a victim of the Y2K bug!!! by Sri+Lumpa · · Score: 1
    ATTENTION! ATTENTION! You seem to be one of the few victims of the famed Y2K bug, as proved from you posting:



    and the bios can be from 1890 and it will still work.



    Which clearly can only be the case if the Y2K bug makes you beleive you are in 1900 and makes you refer to 1990 as 1890.

    --
    "The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
    1. Re:You are a victim of the Y2K bug!!! by tenordave · · Score: 1

      Actually, I meant to type '1980', but thought the better of it.

      --
      http://students.washington.edu/djwatson
  43. Slashmeat by Tottori · · Score: 1

    Of course it's necessary, where would we be without Freshdot?

    --
    use constant PERL_IS_BROKEN => $] >= 5.006;
  44. Nope... more like a very unreliable shredder by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

    (subject like says it all, dude)