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Native Sorenson Playback Comes to Linux
Pivot writes: "With the release of Xine v0.9.11a, it is now possible to play back Quicktime movies encoded with the Sorenson SVQ1 encoding natively. There are still some minor issues with sound, and still no support for SVQ3 encoding, but overall this is a major achievement. Downloads are at xine.sf.net. I wonder what apple will do about this." Note: you may have to cut and paste that "movies" link into a new tab or browser.
maybe now we can get some of you whiners to shut up:)
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and cry sour grapes whilst their own userbase is declining. They sure don't seem very receptive in expanding it in other areas.
You can use crossover plugin from http://www.codeweavers.com which comes with Apple's Quicktime player. Not native, but codeweaver's products kick arse.
put the what in the where?
Licensing? Patents?
Someone care to explain what the team did about
these little problems?
but articles like this really do point out the weakest points of it. If your strong into multimedia (graphic design, sound mixing, 3D modeling, etc). You're still better off in most cases to be using a Win/Mac machine with a much more mature and complete software solutions. This isn't a knock against linux or other *nix's just points out what the weakest links are.
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Apple will keep on rolling out Quicktime, A/V people will keep buying Apple products, and as for the media player wars, how many people actually paid ~$30 for the "Pro" versions? The real money's in the content creation tools, e.g. the video editor, streaming server, etc. Apple makes some decent money from this department, so I don't see how throwing another player into a market saturated by freebies is going to change anything.
And DivX is based on MPEG-4, which is supported in Quicktime 6.
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Correct; however, this does have some implications. Many an open source app has been ported to Windows (froth Ethereal) and this could lead to the first competition to apple's QuickTime Pro. (Is anyone else sick of "upgrade now?") Regardless, this actually might _HELP_ apple more than hurt it; Its better to be talked about -- (there's no such thing as "bad" publicity) and quite frankly, with MS's newest push for WMA/AVI with XP & WMP, a little controversy over Quicktime might do apple good. (With apologies to Eminem, open source zealotry, the creators of ethereal, and anyone else I may have offended) No Source Was Harmed In the Writing Of This Post
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Unfortunatly [for obvious reasons] Linux Geeks need porn. Generally porn sites don't want codec backed by no one they have ever heard of. Apple is a good backing.
:).
Until porn sites shift to DivX, this is very useful
After being a long-time Mplayer advocate, I decided to give Xine a try today when I saw this news. Everything works well, and it even sees my dxr3 support, but what's up with this awful skin that looks like the front of a DVD deck? It's completely unusable. The site claims it's skinnable, so where are the other skins?. They're not listed for seperate download anywhere, any ideas?
Is your browser retarded?
Windows/Mac people say that Linux won't be a key player on the desktop until it can play movies encoded with Sorenson.
Linux people complain that Apple (or Sorenson) is denying Linux's credibility by withholding Quicktime Player...bad form from a company who's new OS was mostly poached from the opensource FreeBSD
Well, now that someone has provided the Sorenson codec through emulation, people will realize that it doesn't make much of a fucking difference either way, does it? I guess that means some people will have to find something better to whine about...
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Nowadays most of the videos (trailers) in quicktime you find asks you to choose bandwidth(size) and opens a small quicktime where you click to play and it starts downloading.
How can I download direclty so I can play back later ?
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Funny, those I've seen seem to mainly use WMP format, which rarely gives me any sound under MacOS X. On the other hand, no sound is often a good thing on such sites!
DivX on the Mac is also problematic. With third party utilities, I also get video with no sound.
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If you read the thread you will see that the author looked at Apple's QT binaries for codebooks to decode some of the encodings. I'm sure there are EULAs that prohibit this. This patch is going to have a lot of legal problems. That's a shame because it is a big boost for QT and thus for Apple, but that's the way it is. I grabbed a copy of it so that when they get an injunction from Apple I'll still be able to post it somewhere in the Free World (ie, not in the US).
Quicktime 6 will be the ONLY major media player that has fully builti-in and supported DivX abilities.
Please contact me at your earliest convenience at jeffrey AT firehead DOT org. I run the site listed in my .sig and am used to dealing with all sorts of legal BS. I would very much like to see this code out there, and could definitely help with a proper release of it.
saying divx is better than quicktime is like saying msie is better than the gimp
they dont compare
qt is a container
you could say qt sucks avi is better
or sorensen sucks divx is better
but not qt sucks divx is better.
I'm still waiting for the codec to be available and usable with MPlayer so I can use it on FreeBSD and other platforms. Is this doable with this?
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...and plays great in MPlayer.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
Uhmm, I don't know about your experience but I've never, ever found pr0n in Quicktime format. It's always Real (crappy), mpeg or some bastard AVI format. In the olden tymes it was ViVo or Real..but never Quicktime.
The only good this does is let linux users watch quicktime trailers (after they download no doubt).
What about MPEG-4 on Linux? I haven't really looked for it, but I was just wondering how well, if at all, it is supported, since the new QuickTime 6 preview supports it.
:)
MPEG-4 is really sweet stuff. Just as a test today, a friend and I encoded an entire full-length movie that was captured via FireWire DV and encoded it into a 653MB MP4 file using QuickTime 6 on OS X. I was amazed at the quality. It blew away MPEG-1/VCD, DivX, and even Sorenson in video quality, and the audio quality was quite good too, all while fitting on a single 700 MB CD-R.
I would love to see DVD players support MP4 playback from burned CD-R's. The quality is actually good enough that you can sit back and watch a movie distributed on a single CD and just enjoy it without being annoyed by poor quality video and audio.
MP4 will really revolutionize video... if the licensing issues don't kill it before it gets off the ground, but that is another story
Oh man. Yet another "X sucks" troll. I have no idea why I waste my time with these, but here goes... (and in HTML, no less :-)
I could really stand folks spending 15 minutes doing research before writing these critiques. OTOH, I guess I was successfully trolled, so what do I know?
I've no quarrel with that, but surely they must have worked out generalised routines in order to come up with the Windoze ports of Quicktime, in which case one might be justified in arguing that the work is already half done.
I, for one, would probably not object too strenuously to shelling out a nominal few dollars for a decently-working Quicktime viewer for Linux just for the convenience of being able to view those occasional movie files.
I have also been told that the KDE project is integrating xine as their standard video player component...
Well it seems a lot of people has some missunderstanding regarding Sorensen and Apple. So let's get it right: Apple don't own Sorensen what Apple owns is the exclusive right to distribute Sorensen for use in video playback (wich is why they complained when it was going to be used in Flash also. They have to enforce contracts like these or they will be invalid).
This isn't redistribution however. As far as I understand it's a standard QT for Windows that's running under Linux (that's what Wine does. Makes windows apps run under Linux - right?). So it don't change anything. On the other hand someone posted that they have reverse engineered some of the binaries from QT. Depending on if it's Apples binaries or Sorensens one of the two might not like that (Sorensen most of all perhaps. Since they have an interrest in protecting their technology).
Since mplayer got Real support the only really missing link was the sorensen quicktime codecs. Now that Xine has done sorensen and it's gpl 'ed it should just be a matter of time before mplayer has support for it too. Isn't Free Software wonderful?
Your first statement is incorrect (as is your last one).
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Hehe, best argument I heard yet. It is well known that all computer progress comes from porn: why else would people need more bandwith, better monitors and larger harddrives? To store Word documents? I thought so ;-)
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Yeah, so what? Apache's open source, but you still need a browser (decoder) and authoring tools (encoder). All the server does is send the data to users over the net. If you can't have a browsers, you can't even see the content, and without at least a text editor and image manipulation program you can't create any content.
In fact, when you encode video for streaming, you need to include a thing Apple calls "hinting". Normal MPEG4 and other streams do not have this. The hinting is an additional track that specifies to the server where the packet boundries out to be so that lost packets won't corrupt lots of upcoming video. The point is that most of the streaming magic happens at the encoder where the "hinting" makes most of the decisions about how to stream the video... the server does parse the data and read the hinting, but all the "real work" is precomputed by the proprietary encoder.
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Kinda OT but:
How do I open videos from Xine's GUI? I already tried the help files.
Is it really politically correct to write native software for Linux anymore? Isn't the main focus of Linux now an emulation platform for Win32?
Post it on freenet and put the key in the newsgroups to get it rolling... Share the wealth.
That would be huge good news for consumers everywhere (assuming MPEG-LA gives up on the per-minute fee).
Two Megadeths in a row. It's about time you started posting some cool songs.
nuff zed.
I doubt they will really care about this. They
didn't actively stop any Linux activity; they
are just not allowed to actively support it,
thanks to their investment from Microsoft and
the guarantee of Office & IE for Mac.
The ability to play on more platforms makes
Sorenson MORE useful, not less, and they're
getting it for free.
Windows Media Player on both MacOS X and PocketPC lacks the ACELP.net speech codec. Microsoft licenses it from a third party, who hasn't ported it to those.
To make a WMV file that works on those platforms, it needs to be encoded with the Windows Media Audio codec, which is available in all versions of the player.
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The whole purpose of MPEG-4 is that it takes the player out of the game. All that matters is that you can decode/encode MPEG-4. In a year or two, Sorenson should be irrelevant, and XINE will just need MPEG-4 support.
That being said, doesn't MPEG-4 have some pretty herendous licensing restrictions of its own?
Slashdotter's, none the less, should be campaigning for sites to support MPEG-4 . If they want Linux, and *BSD to become fully supported across streaming sites.
IE instructions: Allow the movie to play. Open up your temporary internet files folder and sort by size. One of the big ones will be the QT movie.
It works for the Apple.com movie trailers at least.
The thing that really bothers me about Xine is when it scales a DVD down (i.e. 720x480->640x480), it just shifts the 16x16 MPEG-2 blocks, rather than doing a real video scale. This severely distorts the motion of any movie, causes text to look rippled, and faces to look like they went through a meat grinder... Apparently Xine doesn't use Xv to do scaling. Plus, when playing videos with the surround40 alsa driver on my SB Live 5.1, the sound is delayed by half a second or more, and no option is presented to adjust the sound/video sync offset, as there was with OSS. What gives?
The thing I DO like about Xine, however, is that it seems to run much more smoothly than mplayer when given the same DVD to play on the same computer at the same resolution, through the same hardware devices using the same API's (Xv, OSS).
A solution to the problem with music today
Fine, let's tell all those people to stop using ACELP.net, then!
Not that I use WMP more than I have to anyway, though it's better than Real, who hasn't even bothered releasing a native player for MacOS X. The Classic version is usable, but still ranks among the ugliest and most cluttered interfaces I've ever seen.
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In relation to the topic being discussed, I personally would recommend waiting until Apple and Sorenson Media resolve the legal formalities and questions surrounding Sorenson Video and the exclusivity license agreement in question. If all goes as planned we should know the outcome within the next 60-90 days. That said, we don't view broad adoption and support of our video codecs as a bad thing providing we can do so in a legal manner. We have been interested in supporting Linux for some time now but due to the nature of our contract with Apple, we haven't been able to pursue this effort before now. The exclusivity agreement with Apple expired last April '02 so our options for supporting this effort are a little more open now (pending resolution of certain legal formalities). Companies or individuals interested in licensing any of our codecs (Sorenson Video 3.1 Pro, Sorenson MPEG-4 Pro, Sorenson Spark Pro) for integration into their products should contact either myself or Matt Copal matt@sorenson.com (Business Development Sorenson Media). Moving forward you will see announcements made by us later this year that will not only greatly benefit QuickTime 6, but also the Linux community as a well. Stay tuned! Ammen Harper Sorenson Media Director Product Management aharper@sorenson.com