BTW, I've looked through the Constitution several times and I don't see anywhere that says 'the government may tell people what kind of light bulbs they're allowed to use'.
If you are using that as your gauge you will find that government is doing a lot of things it shouldn't probably a good number that you think are good things.
I got some for a fixture that is on a dimmer (it used the small screw ins instead of the standard one) and the aren't all that great. They do dim some but not much (maybe like 25%) and then go out. I don't really care as I usually just want full power. This way instead of the fixture drawing 125 watts like it use to now it draws 40 watts.
proof of that is the fact that the food that comes out of those things is not tasty
I found that to only be true if you bought the mixes. My mom had a cook book that had conversions for a good number of recipes for use with the easy bake and those were actually good. I think it was a Betty Crocker cook book but I could be wrong as that was a long time ago and I was too young to use the real oven.
My solution was to jump up in power. I had a couple of old 100 watt bulbs in my garage (100 watt fixtures) and after putting in CFLs else where in the house became aware of dimness of equivalent CFLs. So now instead of 2 100 watt incandescent bulbs I now have 2 200 watt equivalent CFLs that draw about 120 total watts. I probably could have gotten away with using 150 watt equivalent ones but it was always a bit dim in the garage so it is now noticeably brighter than it was. Also I have been using 75 watt equivalent CFL bulbs where I had been using 60 watt incandescent ones previously inside the house.
Well we just need to redesign the easy bake oven to instead be a 100W electric arc furnace. Apart from how awesome that would be I will miss the easy bake oven as I have many fond memories of it. I wore mine out as a child as I wanted to be a baker when I grew up and my mom had a cook book that had easy bake oven conversions for a good number of things so we didn't need to buy the packets of mix.
It wouldn't be low but it would be a more uniform level since there is capacity now off peak. Also base load plants are cheaper to build and operate the peaking plants.
The 74 charger I understand the issues there (it was never designed to run on ethanol) and you really should be going to a boutique fuel like the mid 90s octane non-oxy fuel. One you will avoid putting the ethanol in a system not designed for it and 2 it is a vehicle without a sealed fuel system and given the type of vehicle I would assume it is limited use so it just sits for long spans and the ethanol will absorb water from the atmosphere. Also since it is limited use I would suggest completely filling the tank when done as that gives less volume for air to hold water in. If you didn't want to worry go and get an alcohol safe fuel pump some stainless steel fuel line, an alcohol safe fuel tank (or line the one you have), hardened valve seats (you should already have these since that vehicle was designed for leaded fuel), and an alcohol safe carb and gaskets. All of these should be easily available for the charger as they are a popular race vehicle and drag racers run alcohol in them all the time.
It sounds like there is something strange going on with you honda fit as it was designed with the 10% ethanol fuel in mind. If you ran on a 10% mix of water you would expect to see a 10% drop in mpg but since you are seeing closer to a 15% drop something is very wrong with that vehicle as there is energy to be extracted by burning ethanol (it has roughly 2/3 the energy by volume as non oxygenated fuel) so a correctly running vehicle should see a 3-4% drop. The other thing that may affect the fit would be if you are driving mostly short trips in it. As ethanol contains less energy per unit volume and has a higher latent heat vehicles running it will take longer to warm up fully and thus runs rich for a longer span of time that it would otherwise. This will cause a substantial drop in mileage. I see a noticeable drop in mileage in the winters here in Minnesota as my vehicle spends a very long time in the warm up cycle. If this is the case the cheapest solution I can think of would be to get a block heater installed (inline with a hose, the frost plug ones, or one of the magnetic ones) as that would give you a warmer engine to start off with so it will spend less time in the warm up cycle. I installed one inline with a radiator hose this summer on my daily drive when my radiator decided it wanted to crack.
I do agree that ethanol as a general purpose motor fuel is a waste and we should really get rid of that albatross. The biggest problem with getting rid of ethanol as fuel is the oxygenated fuel mandate because it is is less toxic than what it replaced. We could use methanol or MBTE but if those leak out it is a bigger problem than if ethanol leaks out. As a boutique fuel it has some interesting useful properties but then other alcohol and nitro fuels do as well but those aren't used in any substantial quantities. If you don't care about fuel mileage you can produce some serious power by running an alcohol fuel as you can burn a bunch more per unit of air than you can gasoline and thus release more energy per power stroke. Also they have a much higher octane rating so you can run at higher compression ratios allowing higher efficiencies. Finally they have a very high latent heat so with a suck through setup with a supercharger it will cool the fuel air charge down substantially allowing you to pack even more into each cylinder. These properties are great for making power but really destroy any thing that resembles good fuel economy.
And this is why I buy my meat from a farmer I know and get it butchered at a quality processor. No feed lot, not pumped full of hormones, proper sanitation, good butchering, very limited antibiotics (there is a good chance that the animal I eat didn't get any in its entire life). Granted the farmer has lost 2 cattle in 28 years but the first one was in the winter of 96 when it got down to below -40 and the other was a calf 2 years to wolves. He maintains a small herd of 10 to 12 cattle on his 40 acres where they just wander about eating mostly alfalfa leading happy cow lives. The meat looks, smells, and tastes better than the stuff at the store and at most restaurants.
If you have a vehicle that can't handle ethanol you can buy non oxygenated fuel but this does cost more and you probably only think you vehicle has a problem with it. If you have a vehicle made in the last 20+ years (holy crap I feel old now) it will handle it just fine as manufactures have been designing vehicles to handle it for that long. I have a vehicle that is 16 years old and has 372,XXX miles on it that has been owned by someone in Minnesota the whole time. My daily driver has 245,XXX miles on it and has also been owned by someone in Minnesota its entire life (15 years) and hasn't had a problem with the ethanol blended fuels. So probably every gallon of gas put into either of them has had 10% ethanol, but they seems to run just fine. It even will sit for 1-2 months typically as for me it is a limited use vehicle. Then again I think that the people who think the ethanol blends ruins their vehicles are just looking to blame someone else for their poor care. The people also claim that 10% ethanol causes their mileage to drop 10%-15% when one would expect a 3%-4% drop if their stuff was running correctly.
For me that is expensive, of course I buy my beef by the fraction of the animal and get if from a farmer who is a family friend and it is butchered by a small processor. The nice thing is I know what I am getting, what the critter was fed (primarily alfalfa that was grown on his property with some grain to fatten it up before slaughter but no corn), how it was raised (my oldest son loves to go see and pet the dozen or so cattle that wander around his 40 acres), and what they were given (no hormones and antibiotics only if it gets sick). I have also been through the processors facilities as I bring the deer my family (extended) shoots there as well and can see how the operate and the procedures they use. I probably eat more red meat than I should but then it is either the beef I get from my dad's friend, the deer I shot, or the organic bison from my step mom's friend. We go through 1/8 of a cow, 1/8 of a bison, 1 deer for my family of 4 in a year. They only meat we buy at the store is some pork or chicken and depending on the number of pheasants and grouse I shoot the chicken amount varies. I hoping to get in on some of the pork my neighbor gets from his brother as then I could mostly eliminate buying meat at the grocery store.
There is better silage than ones made from corn stalks. The better ones are made from alfalfa, or hays instead of corn stalks which actually have some nutritional value.
For most people something that would work as well as their SUV would be a small econo box for hauling their ass to work and the store. Granted there are people who do need something like a truck or SUV but really who needs a pavement pounding Hummer H2 with chrome suspension, a winch, chrome chain link license plate holder complete with vanity plate, and low profile spinner rims. It is not like that person is ever going to tow something, haul something, or take it off of paved road. I have an SUV but then it spends most of its life sitting along side my garage waiting to be taken to the hardware store, on hunting trips, on camping trips, or used to pull stumps, haul off stuff to the recycle center, pick up a load of logs, etc.
This is why we need really cheap electricity. I am talking too cheap to meter and all you pay for is the connection (you do need to pay for capital, and maintenance costs) and can get as much power as you can pull through the line. Although at that point it really won't matter what powers vehicles be it electrons, hydrogen gas, hydrocarbons, synthetic pixie dust, as you can store energy as one form or another with varying levels of efficiency. People who want a diesel vehicle would go and buy a machine that makes diesel fuel, people who want a hydrogen powered vehicles (internal combustion or fuel cell) buy an electrolysis machine, etc.
The worst part is that electric powered really means coal powered given the composition of our national electric grid. Unless you are charging your car off of your personal windmill/solar array or something it's hard to be really green.
Even if we were 100% coal powered in this country it would still be a net win. The reason is that a fossil fuel power plant typically operates at around 60% efficiency where as small mobile internal combustion engines operate somewhere between 15% and 30% (I have seen varying numbers so I don't know what the typical would be). Thus we would have to waste anywhere from 2 to 4 times the power that is put into the electric car to consume the same amount of fuel as all of our little internal combustion engines consume. The biggest benefit is as old coal plants are replaced with natural gas one, renewables, nuclear, Mr. Fusion, etc. we get a cleaner environment as our vehicles don't care where the electrons came from.
How about pointing out how inefficient it is to haul around a 500+ pound internal combustion engine and transmission (especially if it is the slush box known as an automatic). I tend to ignore comments like the parents as the biggest issue electric vehicles face is the power density of batteries which is increasing. Electric motors are substantially more efficient than internal combustion ones, and in most cases* produce less CO2 even if you are using a electricity from a coal plant. I also never buy into the internal combustion engines are as efficient as they can be as there are a number of things I can think of that would increase their efficiency, granted they would dramatically increase the cost or increase certain pollutants.
* NOTE: The best internal combustion engines approach the same level of efficiency of the combined cycle gas turbines used in power plants. These are very large 2 stroke marine diesels that are just over 50% efficient while the combined cycle gas turbines in power plants get just over 60% efficiency. Add in the transmission losses, charging/discharging losses, and the 80% efficiency of the electric motor and they are probably really close for total CO2 emissions per unit power to the shaft.
I have enjoyed their bacon steak and it is better than the local butchers around me, it is rare to find a really good butcher/processor now days. The one I get my stuff from is a little over an hours drive the nice thing is it is on my way back from where I hunt so I can just drop things off and then pick them up in a week or so. I would like to have some of the hog (I hope to get in on it) butchered up as bacon steaks but there is something nice about the thinner strips of bacon (normal thick cut) for things like putting on burgers, wrapping other stuff in, making BLTs, etc. Maybe the correct solution would be to get one half as steaks the other as regular thick cut bacon.
I would suggest that you check out the concept in employment law known as disparate impact. When combined with the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States Supreme Court case, and the commerce clause of the US constitution you get a situation where it does expose the employer to a law suit. This was exemplified by the Supreme Court case of Griggs v. Duke Power Co. in 1970 where the employer has to show that a requirement or filter is required to ensure that the individual can do the job. On the other hand the Supreme court case in 2009 of Ricci v. DeStefano does seem to put some limits on this exposure but didn't change it much as the test was designed to ensure competence in the new role.
They only way they can be judged is that that a constitutional amendment is passed. It is however possible for the congress to regulate the court according to Article III Section 2 of the US Constitution but then there is the Sheldon v. Sill case from 1850 that turned that sort of changed that. The power of judicial review is not a power that was granted the US Supreme court but was created by the court in 1803 with the Marbury v. Madisoncase. The US Supreme Court was (as well as the other federal courts) were setup to be the least powerful branch of government and the only check the supreme court originally had was as the court of final appeal.
With a good telephoto lens you can stand away from the crowd and have a tripod setup to take your picture. Since it is on a tripod you can do a long exposure to compensate for not having a flash. I would suggest setting up near the Virgin of the Rocks (unless they have moved it) as the big draw is Mona Lisa and almost no one goes to that section to see anything else.
While better than most store bought bacon (I haven't tried all of them but of the ones I have tried it was the best store bought) the best bacon I have had I got from my neighbor who's brother raises hogs. The hogs primarily eat ice cream (factory rejects) and brewery leftovers as he can get those for less than regular feed. He sends his hogs to the same processor where I send my deer and my dad's friend sends his cattle. The nice things about going directly to the processor is that you pay far less than at the store and can get it cut how you want. I told my neighbor that the next time his brother sends his hogs to slaughter to let me know as I would be interested in splitting some with him. As a side note never waste your money on Corn King bacon it is by far the worst I have ever had and I won't buy it even when it is buy 1 get 1 free.
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That is down right blasphemous the true /. way is to think once and post twice.
Let's keep this legitimate and put Kevin Sorbo in charge please.
Wouldn't that be illegitimate?
BTW, I've looked through the Constitution several times and I don't see anywhere that says 'the government may tell people what kind of light bulbs they're allowed to use'.
If you are using that as your gauge you will find that government is doing a lot of things it shouldn't probably a good number that you think are good things.
I got some for a fixture that is on a dimmer (it used the small screw ins instead of the standard one) and the aren't all that great. They do dim some but not much (maybe like 25%) and then go out. I don't really care as I usually just want full power. This way instead of the fixture drawing 125 watts like it use to now it draws 40 watts.
proof of that is the fact that the food that comes out of those things is not tasty
I found that to only be true if you bought the mixes. My mom had a cook book that had conversions for a good number of recipes for use with the easy bake and those were actually good. I think it was a Betty Crocker cook book but I could be wrong as that was a long time ago and I was too young to use the real oven.
My solution was to jump up in power. I had a couple of old 100 watt bulbs in my garage (100 watt fixtures) and after putting in CFLs else where in the house became aware of dimness of equivalent CFLs. So now instead of 2 100 watt incandescent bulbs I now have 2 200 watt equivalent CFLs that draw about 120 total watts. I probably could have gotten away with using 150 watt equivalent ones but it was always a bit dim in the garage so it is now noticeably brighter than it was. Also I have been using 75 watt equivalent CFL bulbs where I had been using 60 watt incandescent ones previously inside the house.
Well we just need to redesign the easy bake oven to instead be a 100W electric arc furnace. Apart from how awesome that would be I will miss the easy bake oven as I have many fond memories of it. I wore mine out as a child as I wanted to be a baker when I grew up and my mom had a cook book that had easy bake oven conversions for a good number of things so we didn't need to buy the packets of mix.
It wouldn't be low but it would be a more uniform level since there is capacity now off peak. Also base load plants are cheaper to build and operate the peaking plants.
The 74 charger I understand the issues there (it was never designed to run on ethanol) and you really should be going to a boutique fuel like the mid 90s octane non-oxy fuel. One you will avoid putting the ethanol in a system not designed for it and 2 it is a vehicle without a sealed fuel system and given the type of vehicle I would assume it is limited use so it just sits for long spans and the ethanol will absorb water from the atmosphere. Also since it is limited use I would suggest completely filling the tank when done as that gives less volume for air to hold water in. If you didn't want to worry go and get an alcohol safe fuel pump some stainless steel fuel line, an alcohol safe fuel tank (or line the one you have), hardened valve seats (you should already have these since that vehicle was designed for leaded fuel), and an alcohol safe carb and gaskets. All of these should be easily available for the charger as they are a popular race vehicle and drag racers run alcohol in them all the time.
It sounds like there is something strange going on with you honda fit as it was designed with the 10% ethanol fuel in mind. If you ran on a 10% mix of water you would expect to see a 10% drop in mpg but since you are seeing closer to a 15% drop something is very wrong with that vehicle as there is energy to be extracted by burning ethanol (it has roughly 2/3 the energy by volume as non oxygenated fuel) so a correctly running vehicle should see a 3-4% drop. The other thing that may affect the fit would be if you are driving mostly short trips in it. As ethanol contains less energy per unit volume and has a higher latent heat vehicles running it will take longer to warm up fully and thus runs rich for a longer span of time that it would otherwise. This will cause a substantial drop in mileage. I see a noticeable drop in mileage in the winters here in Minnesota as my vehicle spends a very long time in the warm up cycle. If this is the case the cheapest solution I can think of would be to get a block heater installed (inline with a hose, the frost plug ones, or one of the magnetic ones) as that would give you a warmer engine to start off with so it will spend less time in the warm up cycle. I installed one inline with a radiator hose this summer on my daily drive when my radiator decided it wanted to crack.
I do agree that ethanol as a general purpose motor fuel is a waste and we should really get rid of that albatross. The biggest problem with getting rid of ethanol as fuel is the oxygenated fuel mandate because it is is less toxic than what it replaced. We could use methanol or MBTE but if those leak out it is a bigger problem than if ethanol leaks out. As a boutique fuel it has some interesting useful properties but then other alcohol and nitro fuels do as well but those aren't used in any substantial quantities. If you don't care about fuel mileage you can produce some serious power by running an alcohol fuel as you can burn a bunch more per unit of air than you can gasoline and thus release more energy per power stroke. Also they have a much higher octane rating so you can run at higher compression ratios allowing higher efficiencies. Finally they have a very high latent heat so with a suck through setup with a supercharger it will cool the fuel air charge down substantially allowing you to pack even more into each cylinder. These properties are great for making power but really destroy any thing that resembles good fuel economy.
And this is why I buy my meat from a farmer I know and get it butchered at a quality processor. No feed lot, not pumped full of hormones, proper sanitation, good butchering, very limited antibiotics (there is a good chance that the animal I eat didn't get any in its entire life). Granted the farmer has lost 2 cattle in 28 years but the first one was in the winter of 96 when it got down to below -40 and the other was a calf 2 years to wolves. He maintains a small herd of 10 to 12 cattle on his 40 acres where they just wander about eating mostly alfalfa leading happy cow lives. The meat looks, smells, and tastes better than the stuff at the store and at most restaurants.
ruining our cars
If you have a vehicle that can't handle ethanol you can buy non oxygenated fuel but this does cost more and you probably only think you vehicle has a problem with it. If you have a vehicle made in the last 20+ years (holy crap I feel old now) it will handle it just fine as manufactures have been designing vehicles to handle it for that long. I have a vehicle that is 16 years old and has 372,XXX miles on it that has been owned by someone in Minnesota the whole time. My daily driver has 245,XXX miles on it and has also been owned by someone in Minnesota its entire life (15 years) and hasn't had a problem with the ethanol blended fuels. So probably every gallon of gas put into either of them has had 10% ethanol, but they seems to run just fine. It even will sit for 1-2 months typically as for me it is a limited use vehicle. Then again I think that the people who think the ethanol blends ruins their vehicles are just looking to blame someone else for their poor care. The people also claim that 10% ethanol causes their mileage to drop 10%-15% when one would expect a 3%-4% drop if their stuff was running correctly.
For me that is expensive, of course I buy my beef by the fraction of the animal and get if from a farmer who is a family friend and it is butchered by a small processor. The nice thing is I know what I am getting, what the critter was fed (primarily alfalfa that was grown on his property with some grain to fatten it up before slaughter but no corn), how it was raised (my oldest son loves to go see and pet the dozen or so cattle that wander around his 40 acres), and what they were given (no hormones and antibiotics only if it gets sick). I have also been through the processors facilities as I bring the deer my family (extended) shoots there as well and can see how the operate and the procedures they use. I probably eat more red meat than I should but then it is either the beef I get from my dad's friend, the deer I shot, or the organic bison from my step mom's friend. We go through 1/8 of a cow, 1/8 of a bison, 1 deer for my family of 4 in a year. They only meat we buy at the store is some pork or chicken and depending on the number of pheasants and grouse I shoot the chicken amount varies. I hoping to get in on some of the pork my neighbor gets from his brother as then I could mostly eliminate buying meat at the grocery store.
There is better silage than ones made from corn stalks. The better ones are made from alfalfa, or hays instead of corn stalks which actually have some nutritional value.
Yes provided that the charging is done off peak like at night when electric usage is low.
For most people something that would work as well as their SUV would be a small econo box for hauling their ass to work and the store. Granted there are people who do need something like a truck or SUV but really who needs a pavement pounding Hummer H2 with chrome suspension, a winch, chrome chain link license plate holder complete with vanity plate, and low profile spinner rims. It is not like that person is ever going to tow something, haul something, or take it off of paved road. I have an SUV but then it spends most of its life sitting along side my garage waiting to be taken to the hardware store, on hunting trips, on camping trips, or used to pull stumps, haul off stuff to the recycle center, pick up a load of logs, etc.
This is why we need really cheap electricity. I am talking too cheap to meter and all you pay for is the connection (you do need to pay for capital, and maintenance costs) and can get as much power as you can pull through the line. Although at that point it really won't matter what powers vehicles be it electrons, hydrogen gas, hydrocarbons, synthetic pixie dust, as you can store energy as one form or another with varying levels of efficiency. People who want a diesel vehicle would go and buy a machine that makes diesel fuel, people who want a hydrogen powered vehicles (internal combustion or fuel cell) buy an electrolysis machine, etc.
The worst part is that electric powered really means coal powered given the composition of our national electric grid. Unless you are charging your car off of your personal windmill/solar array or something it's hard to be really green.
Even if we were 100% coal powered in this country it would still be a net win. The reason is that a fossil fuel power plant typically operates at around 60% efficiency where as small mobile internal combustion engines operate somewhere between 15% and 30% (I have seen varying numbers so I don't know what the typical would be). Thus we would have to waste anywhere from 2 to 4 times the power that is put into the electric car to consume the same amount of fuel as all of our little internal combustion engines consume. The biggest benefit is as old coal plants are replaced with natural gas one, renewables, nuclear, Mr. Fusion, etc. we get a cleaner environment as our vehicles don't care where the electrons came from.
How about pointing out how inefficient it is to haul around a 500+ pound internal combustion engine and transmission (especially if it is the slush box known as an automatic). I tend to ignore comments like the parents as the biggest issue electric vehicles face is the power density of batteries which is increasing. Electric motors are substantially more efficient than internal combustion ones, and in most cases* produce less CO2 even if you are using a electricity from a coal plant. I also never buy into the internal combustion engines are as efficient as they can be as there are a number of things I can think of that would increase their efficiency, granted they would dramatically increase the cost or increase certain pollutants.
* NOTE: The best internal combustion engines approach the same level of efficiency of the combined cycle gas turbines used in power plants. These are very large 2 stroke marine diesels that are just over 50% efficient while the combined cycle gas turbines in power plants get just over 60% efficiency. Add in the transmission losses, charging/discharging losses, and the 80% efficiency of the electric motor and they are probably really close for total CO2 emissions per unit power to the shaft.
I have enjoyed their bacon steak and it is better than the local butchers around me, it is rare to find a really good butcher/processor now days. The one I get my stuff from is a little over an hours drive the nice thing is it is on my way back from where I hunt so I can just drop things off and then pick them up in a week or so. I would like to have some of the hog (I hope to get in on it) butchered up as bacon steaks but there is something nice about the thinner strips of bacon (normal thick cut) for things like putting on burgers, wrapping other stuff in, making BLTs, etc. Maybe the correct solution would be to get one half as steaks the other as regular thick cut bacon.
They have already ruled on this. As well as defining how the law is to be interpreted in regards to this. I would suggest reading the following in the order provided:
Civil Rights Act of 1964
Commerce Clause
Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States
Disparate impact
Griggs v. Duke Power Co.
Ricci v. DeStefano
I would suggest that you check out the concept in employment law known as disparate impact. When combined with the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States Supreme Court case, and the commerce clause of the US constitution you get a situation where it does expose the employer to a law suit. This was exemplified by the Supreme Court case of Griggs v. Duke Power Co. in 1970 where the employer has to show that a requirement or filter is required to ensure that the individual can do the job. On the other hand the Supreme court case in 2009 of Ricci v. DeStefano does seem to put some limits on this exposure but didn't change it much as the test was designed to ensure competence in the new role.
That would go a long way to washing away a lot of the problems our country has.
They only way they can be judged is that that a constitutional amendment is passed. It is however possible for the congress to regulate the court according to Article III Section 2 of the US Constitution but then there is the Sheldon v. Sill case from 1850 that turned that sort of changed that. The power of judicial review is not a power that was granted the US Supreme court but was created by the court in 1803 with the Marbury v. Madisoncase. The US Supreme Court was (as well as the other federal courts) were setup to be the least powerful branch of government and the only check the supreme court originally had was as the court of final appeal.
With a good telephoto lens you can stand away from the crowd and have a tripod setup to take your picture. Since it is on a tripod you can do a long exposure to compensate for not having a flash. I would suggest setting up near the Virgin of the Rocks (unless they have moved it) as the big draw is Mona Lisa and almost no one goes to that section to see anything else.
While better than most store bought bacon (I haven't tried all of them but of the ones I have tried it was the best store bought) the best bacon I have had I got from my neighbor who's brother raises hogs. The hogs primarily eat ice cream (factory rejects) and brewery leftovers as he can get those for less than regular feed. He sends his hogs to the same processor where I send my deer and my dad's friend sends his cattle. The nice things about going directly to the processor is that you pay far less than at the store and can get it cut how you want. I told my neighbor that the next time his brother sends his hogs to slaughter to let me know as I would be interested in splitting some with him. As a side note never waste your money on Corn King bacon it is by far the worst I have ever had and I won't buy it even when it is buy 1 get 1 free.