There have been several instances of businesses trying to end run the GPL, they have no problem using the software - they just don't like the idea of releasing their enhancements for their competitors (or individuals) to use. I expect such behaviour to become more common.
Since it is designed for just that model, why aren't those businesses using BSD software instead then?
The one thing that still is bugging me is the pre-recorded stuff. I am not willing to listen to the whole pitch so that I can tell them to piss off. If anyone has figured out a better way to deal with this than just hanging up, I would love to hear about it.
Personally I think that the above is what really fueled this drive for the DNC list. People have tolerated telemarketers pretty much since the phone was invented as they have had the opportunity to express their views to the live person who interrupted their sleep, dinner, or whatever other activity they had been in the middle of doing. With the advent of the recorded canned pitch the recepient lost the ability to interact with the caller and engage in a meaningful exchange of ideas. A shame really. I always felt it was my responsibility as a proponent of free speech to provide critically honest feedback to the salesperson. Often I would suggest some alternative, possibly even unique, uses for his product and encourage him to experiment with it on his own person.
You can hang up the phone but for them to be disallowed from even calling you seems good for us but from their perspective, obviously bad.
No, it's actually good for them too but that just can't see it. It only makes sense that people who didn't put themselves on the list aren't bothered by the calls and thus are much more likely to buy their stuff. Just think of how much time they are wasting in getting the 9 no's for every yes when most of those no's are filtered out with the DNC list.
But did they give the FTC the authority to break freedom of speech laws?
The law does not violate the telemarketer's freedom of speech. They are still free to say whatever they want. But, just because they want to say something doesn't mean everyone else has to listen. The DNC list merely preserves the right of people to choose what they want to hear.
And, for those of us who work nights, it also preserves our right to get a full day's sleep B-).
As annoying as telemarketing calls are, they do serve a function. Just because 50 million people believe that they shouldn't have to be bothered saying "I'm not interested." doesn't necessarily mean Congress can shut the industry down. Clearly, somebody is interested otherwise the calls wouldn't keep coming.
The industry isn't being shut down, 50 million people are simply telling it in advance that they are "not interested." The DMA should be thanking the government for pre-screening leads for them.
Simply put, there exist objective facts about security design, just as there exist objective facts about, say, civil engineering. Why doesn't the city construct water mains out of balsa wood and bridges out of papier-mache? It simply doesn't work very well.:)
You bring up a good point here. Civil Engineers are licensed professionals who are held legally accountable to follow certain well known design standards. Software Engineers on the other hand are unlicensed and expected to ensure that their designs are not well known to anyone other than their employers.
And one of the very legal (also ethical IMO) is to protect your idea from being copied (!= stolen) by a large company in the North West of the US.
The best way to hurt that large NorthWest company would've been to not implement software patents in the EU and use American patent law against them in the US while keeping Europe a free competition zone for their own companies.
"That means if you want to compete with the rest of the world you have to do your local standard here, and then work on an all-new set of development" to meet standards used in other markets, Mr Barrett said.
Asia is moving towards Linux and Open Source software solutions. So is Europe. Now who is it again that will be unable to compete because they are stubbornly using local standards?
There is actually a lot of doubt. Intel has been trying for years to find ways around Microsoft. They have just failed badly like most non processor related projects.
An open source software system like Linux is the way around Microsoft, particulary for a company such as Intel whose primary business is hardware.
The Chinese government has required companies to place facilities in china in order to get a foot hold. This has resulted in the transfer of all sorts of knowledge to china. Including silicon technology. It looks more an more like american companies are going to bleed america dry of jobs it get a new foot hold that the china has just said will not appear at all.
Though I have no love for the Chinese government it only makes sense for a nation to make their economy benefits from technology by creating jobs for its citizens and not be bled dry feeding another nation's workers.
You see, a few years ago the people here said to the RIAA "Give us an easy, cheap, convienvient way to download the songs we like."
The RIAA responded with "No way! You will only like the songs that we tell you to like and you will only buy them they way we tell you to buy them."
Of course that pissed the users off at the already pissed off RIAA, and we all know what happens when two very pissed off entities meet each other in a dark alley.
All I can say is may the most powerful pissed off entity prevail.
Nice job guys. Way to point out that some of your programmers are tainted, having seen unix source code. Therefore the Linux code they write is also tainted, having advertantly or inadvertantly used ideas found in unix code.
Does the same apply to Metallica's music since certainly they saw Led Zep's music before they wrote their own? This idea that one can either read or write but not do both is really absurd.
Here , by the way, is SCO's quarterly report from a link posted at groklaw.com. I found it interesting that they placed no value on their "Goodwill" in the "Other Assests" section before the lawsuit, but now list it as "1,166".
Is it because they are really inflating costs and themselves stealing from the artists?
Partly, but for the most part the record industry is more afraid of losing its ability to tell you what you should listen to. It's a control issue more than anything else.
They have an alternative, it's called a copyright. And, if Europe fails to pass software patents that will leave U.S developers unable to compete in Europe, and unable to create anything in their own country.
So why don't they go after the tobacco companies since they're manufacturing substances that meet these criteria? Oh wait, the government gets taxes from the sales of these products, nevermind.
Quite appropriate that you bring up tobacco in a discussion about people not standing up against being railroaded by government regulation. When you can't even get enough addicts to stand up to protect the addiction that rules their lives, how are you ever going to get them stand up to protect themselves against regulations that have much less effect on their personal lives?
Before users can be expected to have licenses, programmers, systems admins, technicians, and help desk people need to be professionally licensed and held legally accountable to certain standards just as other engineeers, doctors, nurses, etc, are.
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There have been several instances of businesses trying to end run the GPL, they have no problem using the software - they just don't like the idea of releasing their enhancements for their competitors (or individuals) to use. I expect such behaviour to become more common.
Since it is designed for just that model, why aren't those businesses using BSD software instead then?
The one thing that still is bugging me is the pre-recorded stuff. I am not willing to listen to the whole pitch so that I can tell them to piss off. If anyone has figured out a better way to deal with this than just hanging up, I would love to hear about it.
Personally I think that the above is what really fueled this drive for the DNC list. People have tolerated telemarketers pretty much since the phone was invented as they have had the opportunity to express their views to the live person who interrupted their sleep, dinner, or whatever other activity they had been in the middle of doing. With the advent of the recorded canned pitch the recepient lost the ability to interact with the caller and engage in a meaningful exchange of ideas. A shame really. I always felt it was my responsibility as a proponent of free speech to provide critically honest feedback to the salesperson. Often I would suggest some alternative, possibly even unique, uses for his product and encourage him to experiment with it on his own person.
You can hang up the phone but for them to be disallowed from even calling you seems good for us but from their perspective, obviously bad.
No, it's actually good for them too but that just can't see it. It only makes sense that people who didn't put themselves on the list aren't bothered by the calls and thus are much more likely to buy their stuff. Just think of how much time they are wasting in getting the 9 no's for every yes when most of those no's are filtered out with the DNC list.
But did they give the FTC the authority to break freedom of speech laws?
The law does not violate the telemarketer's freedom of speech. They are still free to say whatever they want. But, just because they want to say something doesn't mean everyone else has to listen. The DNC list merely preserves the right of people to choose what they want to hear.
And, for those of us who work nights, it also preserves our right to get a full day's sleep B-).
...because there's no shortage of poor blacks and white trash who will work minimum wage...
And some in the IT industry still wonder why there is so little sympathy concerning their jobs being sent overseas.
As annoying as telemarketing calls are, they do serve a function. Just because 50 million people believe that they shouldn't have to be bothered saying "I'm not interested." doesn't necessarily mean Congress can shut the industry down. Clearly, somebody is interested otherwise the calls wouldn't keep coming.
The industry isn't being shut down, 50 million people are simply telling it in advance that they are "not interested." The DMA should be thanking the government for pre-screening leads for them.
Simply put, there exist objective facts about security design, just as there exist objective facts about, say, civil engineering. Why doesn't the city construct water mains out of balsa wood and bridges out of papier-mache? It simply doesn't work very well. :)
You bring up a good point here. Civil Engineers are licensed professionals who are held legally accountable to follow certain well known design standards. Software Engineers on the other hand are unlicensed and expected to ensure that their designs are not well known to anyone other than their employers.
Good idea, but wouldn't release into the Public Domain be pretty much as effective?
No, because then the patents can't be used as defensive weapons. Note how IBM pulled a couple out of their hat to countersue SCO.
And one of the very legal (also ethical IMO) is to protect your idea from being copied (!= stolen) by a large company in the North West of the US.
The best way to hurt that large NorthWest company would've been to not implement software patents in the EU and use American patent law against them in the US while keeping Europe a free competition zone for their own companies.
"That means if you want to compete with the rest of the world you have to do your local standard here, and then work on an all-new set of development" to meet standards used in other markets, Mr Barrett said.
Asia is moving towards Linux and Open Source software solutions. So is Europe. Now who is it again that will be unable to compete because they are stubbornly using local standards?
There is actually a lot of doubt. Intel has been trying for years to find ways around Microsoft. They have just failed badly like most non processor related projects.
An open source software system like Linux is the way around Microsoft, particulary for a company such as Intel whose primary business is hardware.
The Chinese government has required companies to place facilities in china in order to get a foot hold. This has resulted in the transfer of all sorts of knowledge to china. Including silicon technology. It looks more an more like american companies are going to bleed america dry of jobs it get a new foot hold that the china has just said will not appear at all.
Though I have no love for the Chinese government it only makes sense for a nation to make their economy benefits from technology by creating jobs for its citizens and not be bled dry feeding another nation's workers.
You see, a few years ago the people here said to the RIAA "Give us an easy, cheap, convienvient way to download the songs we like."
The RIAA responded with "No way! You will only like the songs that we tell you to like and you will only buy them they way we tell you to buy them."
Of course that pissed the users off at the already pissed off RIAA, and we all know what happens when two very pissed off entities meet each other in a dark alley.
All I can say is may the most powerful pissed off entity prevail.
"Hello! By ourselves, we are insignificant! But let's band together so we can pretend this is the 2nd millennium and feel important!"
We refer to that phenomenon as "E Pluribus Unum", or "Out Of Many, One" on our side of the pond.
Nice job guys. Way to point out that some of your programmers are tainted, having seen unix source code. Therefore the Linux code they write is also tainted, having advertantly or inadvertantly used ideas found in unix code.
Does the same apply to Metallica's music since certainly they saw Led Zep's music before they wrote their own? This idea that one can either read or write but not do both is really absurd.
Here is the Debian rpm package.
Here is a Gentoo ebuild.
Possibly, but what the hell are medical staff doing with cell phones on them in the first place while they're on the job, working with patients?
Some hospitals use cellphones now instead of the old PA systems for communication between the staff on large units.
If by "studied it closely" they mean "studied the code closely" then it would be copyright infringement...
Baloney. That is like saying you can either read or write, but can not do both.
Here , by the way, is SCO's quarterly report from a link posted at groklaw.com. I found it interesting that they placed no value on their "Goodwill" in the "Other Assests" section before the lawsuit, but now list it as "1,166".
Now that's some "creative" accounting!
Is it because they are really inflating costs and themselves stealing from the artists?
Partly, but for the most part the record industry is more afraid of losing its ability to tell you what you should listen to. It's a control issue more than anything else.
And of course the RIAA, who missed the boat by refusing to give people what they wanted, tackles the problem by refusing to give people what the want.
They have an alternative, it's called a copyright. And, if Europe fails to pass software patents that will leave U.S developers unable to compete in Europe, and unable to create anything in their own country.
So why don't they go after the tobacco companies since they're manufacturing substances that meet these criteria? Oh wait, the government gets taxes from the sales of these products, nevermind.
Quite appropriate that you bring up tobacco in a discussion about people not standing up against being railroaded by government regulation. When you can't even get enough addicts to stand up to protect the addiction that rules their lives, how are you ever going to get them stand up to protect themselves against regulations that have much less effect on their personal lives?
Some foreign national cyber-terrorist could include malicious code in our govermental code.
Seems to me the government would be much more likely to spot the malicious code if the source was open.
Before users can be expected to have licenses, programmers, systems admins, technicians, and help desk people need to be professionally licensed and held legally accountable to certain standards just as other engineeers, doctors, nurses, etc, are.
That's because they haven't been saved from it yet. The quotes state that they are still suffering under their old communist system and leaders.