success of a program does not detriment if the idea behind it is right or wrong. Lets say a doctor decided to operate on a child that is going to die, the operation is a failed and the child still dies, was the doctor wrong for trying to save said childs life, should the doctor not have done anthing, the child would have die anyways? There are things that are right or wrong outside of us.
so why not? what is the difference????????????? please enlighten me? Why is the baby in the womb so less deserving of our protection then the baby outside of the womb, both are equally depended on other just to live?
failure to implant is like failure to thrive, that is not a act of the parent. Or should we put parents in jail if their child suffers from SIDS? failure to thrive is not an (unless purposely caused by the parent) act of murder.
You are mixing your arguments you are crossing natural with man forced.
so you are saying these people should be force to have health care, if I break my leg I should be force to go to the hospital?? what if I don't want to it is my body (as you would say "keep your laws of my body")!!! so why not let suicide and drugs be legal, of some one wants help they can go to the doctors.
I as one, probably the only conservative, am against the death penalty. for the main reason, as long as some one is alive there is hope. Hope that they will repent of their ways, and maybe become a positive influence on society. another important reason, what if you got the wrong guy, how would you like to find out that you as a jury sentenced some one to death to only find out that he was innocent, I rather error on the safe side. and finally (unimportant to me but works on some people so I will though it in since the gravity of the issue) it cost more to put some one to death then to keep them alive for a long long life (read cheaper on the tax payers)
Another question, why is suaside wrong (I am not talking about assisited suaside, but I am against that too)
If a teen wants to kill him/herself, why do we try to prevent that, don't they get control over their body? How about drugs (not just hash, but all drugs) should all drugs be leagal? are not just drugs users exersizing their right over their body?
how about the mother that not getting sleep because her new born is cring? Can she exersize controle over her body and not get up, or get up and kill that thing waking her up? are those not control over her body?
If he would support the 1st admidment the I have no beef with him, and no mater what I wish him luck. It just when I hear baptists talk like that, they will continue on further to trash the constutions seperation of church and state (no I not saying all baptists, and I am not saying he is a baptist) But atlest you gave me something to think about, I will reexamine what I think and look further into it. That all I can promise for now.
No were have I ever said that one can not let their faith influnce their though even for a polotition, I am just saying from what I read on him I don't think he would be willing to keep the wall of not having a state sponsered church go up. I am not saying freedom from religion, I am just saying I don't think he gets freedom OF religion. I am not sure on him
well not now, but we are pushing the bounds of medical science, and a baby can survive that could not survive 5 years ago, even a year ago. I hope that some day we could get even a 1 week old unborn baby to live outside of the womb.
I remember readding about a baby that was (I think) 4 (maybe it could have been 5) months premature and was predicted to do fine, and that baby was considered to be the earlest to be survive
Ok I guess you are right, and I misread what you wrote, and I would agree with you, pray should not be in the class room unless a student says it silently and does not disturb others, and does not take away from class time.
I would ask the ones that do not think it is life is there, when does life begin? At birth, how about premature babies, what is the diffence between a 2 month premature baby and a 7 month unborn child?
and how can we encouraged pray, and not force it? hard to do, but I would think that maybe if there is a student that is muslum, and wants to pray at lunch time, well maybe there could be a room where the muslums could go to and pray in quite, I belive that at lunch good muslums have a pray they are to pray that has actions they have to take, and need a mate. Well we could have rooms for this kind of stuff. For the christian, I don't know how this would be done, but maybe some kind of simulare thing. For the Jew, there could be more of a consern to provide koser food (ok not really pray, but I belive in the same vain)
One note, on the abourtion statement, if life starts at conseption (the crux of the issue) then no one, even a non-religous person could support abortion because to end a life is murder, go ask any one (outside of jail or mental instutions, and then even some of them might say the same thing) MURDER IS WRONG.
The problem with the debate is people do not deal with the crux of the issue, the one that every ones arguments will stand or fall on, is the baby/fetuse (use what ever term you want) alive?
I never said freedom from religion, I am just talking against force pray, I have no problem, infact it should be alowed, and even incoraged, for students to pray, and if some students what to put a religous group together at school they should not be prevented.
My consern is will he try to make it so you have to be a chirstian to be a full citizian? is he going to have forced pray in schools? Well that is "great" for the christians, but what happens if lets say some one who wants all this, but is not a christian but say a muslum? if we want God in public school, ok "great" but which god? you are right seperation for church and state is not freedom from religion, but it is still freedom OF religion, and my fear is that Peroutka may not understand this aka all regiogions are equaly protected, be it christians, muslumes, jews, athiasts, satinists, what ever.
I would say who cares, I am a Republican and support Bush, but if some one wants to vote for Michael Dadnarik then let them vote for him they have all the right to, he has just as much right to run, just as Nadar does. Even if he "costs"* Bush the election, there are things higher in principle then victory at all cost.
I for one don't care who runs, and how many people, I have looked at some of the other candidate, I even looked at http://www.peroutka2004.com/ I like his pro-life stance, but he fails to do separation of church and state, and as a devout Lutheran that scares me, so I can not vote for him, and leaves be back at the only other pro-life candidate Bush, unless any one can give me another one to look at.
* I put costs in quoats, because in a republic like we have a politician does not own another persons vote, the person gives a vote as a gift to a candidate. I will be giving mine to Bush, but Bush does not own it.
HAY thanks for the great idea, I am now just being a copy cat of you with my TT3.
with the photos on the TT3 I was thinking more of like (this will be over the heads of any one that never saw "The Last Star Fighters") the device the alian (I don't remember his name) was using to show his photos to Alex after Alex pulls out his wallet to show him his photos of his family, you know just before the major fight while they are hidding with the engens off.
Great idea, I have just sent 2 messages, I have to get anything back, I sent one to see if it could get my address for me, stupid test but hay it is a test, and I did one for the "help" since I read my sms on my palm I can just file it away for later use. If it does what it promises, I think I might use it allot. Now this is the kind of stuff we need.
The last few times I set up a wireless network for people they did not have said poster ( I know how to set up said stuff, so I did, but does not change the fact that the routers that they had did not come with one)
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success of a program does not detriment if the idea behind it is right or wrong. Lets say a doctor decided to operate on a child that is going to die, the operation is a failed and the child still dies, was the doctor wrong for trying to save said childs life, should the doctor not have done anthing, the child would have die anyways? There are things that are right or wrong outside of us.
so why not? what is the difference????????????? please enlighten me? Why is the baby in the womb so less deserving of our protection then the baby outside of the womb, both are equally depended on other just to live?
failure to implant is like failure to thrive, that is not a act of the parent. Or should we put parents in jail if their child suffers from SIDS? failure to thrive is not an (unless purposely caused by the parent) act of murder.
You are mixing your arguments you are crossing natural with man forced.
so you are saying these people should be force to have health care, if I break my leg I should be force to go to the hospital?? what if I don't want to it is my body (as you would say "keep your laws of my body")!!! so why not let suicide and drugs be legal, of some one wants help they can go to the doctors.
We are a consitutional republic. or I will point to wikipedia since people here like that more
I as one, probably the only conservative, am against the death penalty. for the main reason, as long as some one is alive there is hope. Hope that they will repent of their ways, and maybe become a positive influence on society. another important reason, what if you got the wrong guy, how would you like to find out that you as a jury sentenced some one to death to only find out that he was innocent, I rather error on the safe side. and finally (unimportant to me but works on some people so I will though it in since the gravity of the issue) it cost more to put some one to death then to keep them alive for a long long life (read cheaper on the tax payers)
Another question, why is suaside wrong (I am not talking about assisited suaside, but I am against that too)
If a teen wants to kill him/herself, why do we try to prevent that, don't they get control over their body? How about drugs (not just hash, but all drugs) should all drugs be leagal? are not just drugs users exersizing their right over their body?
how about the mother that not getting sleep because her new born is cring? Can she exersize controle over her body and not get up, or get up and kill that thing waking her up? are those not control over her body?
If he would support the 1st admidment the I have no beef with him, and no mater what I wish him luck. It just when I hear baptists talk like that, they will continue on further to trash the constutions seperation of church and state (no I not saying all baptists, and I am not saying he is a baptist) But atlest you gave me something to think about, I will reexamine what I think and look further into it. That all I can promise for now.
No were have I ever said that one can not let their faith influnce their though even for a polotition, I am just saying from what I read on him I don't think he would be willing to keep the wall of not having a state sponsered church go up. I am not saying freedom from religion, I am just saying I don't think he gets freedom OF religion. I am not sure on him
What makes me think this here are a few links to his sight
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t ion=categorylist&category=God
http://www.peroutka2004.com/schedule/index.php?ac
http://www.peroutka2004.com/schedule/index.php?ac
One question to him on this one, where the heck in the Bible does God say you have gun rights. I am not against guns, it is just not in the Bible! And with Roy Moore he disobayed the law he should be removed (but that is another argument
http://www.peroutka2004.com/schedule/index.php?ac
These links were found here http://www.peroutka2004.com/schedule/index.php?ac
there is probably more but I don't want to speed all night on this
well not now, but we are pushing the bounds of medical science, and a baby can survive that could not survive 5 years ago, even a year ago. I hope that some day we could get even a 1 week old unborn baby to live outside of the womb.
I remember readding about a baby that was (I think) 4 (maybe it could have been 5) months premature and was predicted to do fine, and that baby was considered to be the earlest to be survive
Ok I guess you are right, and I misread what you wrote, and I would agree with you, pray should not be in the class room unless a student says it silently and does not disturb others, and does not take away from class time.
I would ask the ones that do not think it is life is there, when does life begin? At birth, how about premature babies, what is the diffence between a 2 month premature baby and a 7 month unborn child?
Who says I am only saying this for religious reasons? see this post I did
I am not saying pray before class.
and how can we encouraged pray, and not force it? hard to do, but I would think that maybe if there is a student that is muslum, and wants to pray at lunch time, well maybe there could be a room where the muslums could go to and pray in quite, I belive that at lunch good muslums have a pray they are to pray that has actions they have to take, and need a mate. Well we could have rooms for this kind of stuff. For the christian, I don't know how this would be done, but maybe some kind of simulare thing. For the Jew, there could be more of a consern to provide koser food (ok not really pray, but I belive in the same vain)
One note, on the abourtion statement, if life starts at conseption (the crux of the issue) then no one, even a non-religous person could support abortion because to end a life is murder, go ask any one (outside of jail or mental instutions, and then even some of them might say the same thing) MURDER IS WRONG.
The problem with the debate is people do not deal with the crux of the issue, the one that every ones arguments will stand or fall on, is the baby/fetuse (use what ever term you want) alive?
I never said freedom from religion, I am just talking against force pray, I have no problem, infact it should be alowed, and even incoraged, for students to pray, and if some students what to put a religous group together at school they should not be prevented.
The LCMS which I am a member of does not support the "joint declaration"
My consern is will he try to make it so you have to be a chirstian to be a full citizian? is he going to have forced pray in schools? Well that is "great" for the christians, but what happens if lets say some one who wants all this, but is not a christian but say a muslum? if we want God in public school, ok "great" but which god? you are right seperation for church and state is not freedom from religion, but it is still freedom OF religion, and my fear is that Peroutka may not understand this aka all regiogions are equaly protected, be it christians, muslumes, jews, athiasts, satinists, what ever.
I would say who cares, I am a Republican and support Bush, but if some one wants to vote for Michael Dadnarik then let them vote for him they have all the right to, he has just as much right to run, just as Nadar does. Even if he "costs"* Bush the election, there are things higher in principle then victory at all cost.
I for one don't care who runs, and how many people, I have looked at some of the other candidate, I even looked at http://www.peroutka2004.com/ I like his pro-life stance, but he fails to do separation of church and state, and as a devout Lutheran that scares me, so I can not vote for him, and leaves be back at the only other pro-life candidate Bush, unless any one can give me another one to look at.
* I put costs in quoats, because in a republic like we have a politician does not own another persons vote, the person gives a vote as a gift to a candidate. I will be giving mine to Bush, but Bush does not own it.
HAY thanks for the great idea, I am now just being a copy cat of you with my TT3.
with the photos on the TT3 I was thinking more of like (this will be over the heads of any one that never saw "The Last Star Fighters") the device the alian (I don't remember his name) was using to show his photos to Alex after Alex pulls out his wallet to show him his photos of his family, you know just before the major fight while they are hidding with the engens off.
Why can thy not just do this with a fireware update, unless you really need your pics in color, I gray scale phote might be nice even on todays ipods.
Great idea, I have just sent 2 messages, I have to get anything back, I sent one to see if it could get my address for me, stupid test but hay it is a test, and I did one for the "help" since I read my sms on my palm I can just file it away for later use. If it does what it promises, I think I might use it allot. Now this is the kind of stuff we need.
The last few times I set up a wireless network for people they did not have said poster ( I know how to set up said stuff, so I did, but does not change the fact that the routers that they had did not come with one)