HOLD UP, Wagner died over 200 years ago. Are you funding antisemitism by seeing operas with his music in it? I don't think so.
Now OSC's alive, actively writing hateful screeds and funding anti-gay-marriage lobbies. If you pay to see the movie, you're funding that. See the difference? This has nothing to do with the merits of his work.
If you tolerate intolerance, you allow it to thrive, nearly rendering the cause pointless. Intolerance isn't just "subjectively crazy," it's objectively harmful.
It shouldn't influence anyone's perception of his work, but it should influence whether they're willing to support him financially, especially considering that we're talking about far more than personal views - he contributes to anti-gay-marriage lobbying organizations.
Actually you should care about the opinions of rich people far more, because they are far more powerful, because they have far more money. If your hot dog vendor is a homophobe, the money you gave him will go towards a shitty little sign he'll hold up at a political rally and hosting his shitty little hate blog, which will be safely ignored. If you pay to see the Ender's Game movie, it will contribute to MILLIONS of dollars in funds that OSC can use on political lobbying to effect actual political change.
So yeah an anti-semitic key grip is far, far less important than an anti-semitic producer or lead actor.
I've read a few of his...articles, and as far as I can tell they really are just angry bigoted rants with very flimsy reasoning.
You know the saying about your mind not being open enough for your brain to fall out? Well I guess mine isn't open enough for a bull to take a dump in.
Is supporting the adaptation of sci-fi books to movies worth funding the oppression of the whole LGBT community? I don't think so. Comic book movies flopped hard in decades past but they're half of what comes out of Hollywood these days. Let this one flop.
Do you not understand how tolerance works or do you just see it as a partisan goal with no inherent good?
You see a boycott of a movie as being equal to bribing a government to deny the rights of a minority and spreading hateful rhetoric so I'm guessing it's the latter.
Disagree. By tolerating intolerance, you are allowing intolerance to perpetuate itself, which is counter to the goal of tolerance.
Walt Disney and Henry Ford are dead, no longer promoting nazism/anti-semitism, and their companies do not do so either, so there is no point boycotting them anymore. By the same logic there's nothing wrong with buying an HP Lovecraft or AC Doyle book nowadays (although I'm pretty sure they're all in the public domain by now) or Siemens or IBM equipment. However OSC has still been spewing homophobic rhetoric quite recently and shows no signs of stopping. Paying to see the Ender's Game movie would be funding an active promoter of homophobia.
A man who was line-camping for the new iPhone is first into the first store stocking the item. He's there even before the employees.
The Apple Genius shows up looking rushed with a large white suitcase and says "Sorry to disappoint you, but we only have one iPhone to sell today due to the number of them that were pre-ordered online. So you there, first in the line, come with me." He opens the store and gets behind the counter, the man in the line walks up to the counter ready to receive his new phone.
The Genius pulls a small, sleek black box from behind the counter and hands it to the man. The man runs towards the door and is almost out when he notices the Genius running after him dragging the big suitcase he came in with, yelling:
Most of NZ's problems come from the fact that it is willing to be a filthy scat-crackwhore for foreign business. If not for that it would be near the top of my "best places to live" list.
Exactly, the gear could be man-portable. This is actually an amazingly brilliant plot, you're not around when the victim dies, you leave no evidence on the victim, even if someone spots you during the assassination they couldn't tell you're killing the person (just holding a suitcase near them or backing them with a backpack). This is the most impressively clever thing I've heard of in ages, I'm kind of jealous I never thought of it myself.
Sony comes out with a ground-breakingly open game console (as modern mainstream game consoles go) which forces Microsoft to open theirs up, and recently opened one of their smart watches...could they actually be turning over a new leaf, opening up and providing something their customers want? This seems wrong. They were definitely one of the most evil megacorps just a few months ago.
Odd timing of this, it follows a stream of wacky distractions coming out of Washington since a whole bunch of skeletons spilled out of the closet in the last few months...
Ah the old "effective loss of privacy due to advances in technology and lower costs is acceptable" mindset...
I've tried the "old way analogy" on this and it hasn't worked so far. Police cars following every car, and a police lookout nest on every lamppost are analogous situations that have been deemed acceptable before by those who hold this mindset. I don't supposed police helicopters swarming all over the place all the time would bother you either?
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Tolerance means that they don't try to change you, or force you to their point of view.
I argue that millions of OSC's lobbying dollars amount to an attempt to force his point of view.
You can sell, loan, or even copy a book easily and anonymously. You missed the point.
D'oh, morning brainfart, 1 key right next to 2, take your pick...
HOLD UP, Wagner died over 200 years ago. Are you funding antisemitism by seeing operas with his music in it? I don't think so.
Now OSC's alive, actively writing hateful screeds and funding anti-gay-marriage lobbies. If you pay to see the movie, you're funding that. See the difference? This has nothing to do with the merits of his work.
If you tolerate intolerance, you allow it to thrive, nearly rendering the cause pointless. Intolerance isn't just "subjectively crazy," it's objectively harmful.
It shouldn't influence anyone's perception of his work, but it should influence whether they're willing to support him financially, especially considering that we're talking about far more than personal views - he contributes to anti-gay-marriage lobbying organizations.
Actually you should care about the opinions of rich people far more, because they are far more powerful, because they have far more money. If your hot dog vendor is a homophobe, the money you gave him will go towards a shitty little sign he'll hold up at a political rally and hosting his shitty little hate blog, which will be safely ignored. If you pay to see the Ender's Game movie, it will contribute to MILLIONS of dollars in funds that OSC can use on political lobbying to effect actual political change.
So yeah an anti-semitic key grip is far, far less important than an anti-semitic producer or lead actor.
Sounds right :-)
I've read a few of his...articles, and as far as I can tell they really are just angry bigoted rants with very flimsy reasoning.
You know the saying about your mind not being open enough for your brain to fall out? Well I guess mine isn't open enough for a bull to take a dump in.
Is supporting the adaptation of sci-fi books to movies worth funding the oppression of the whole LGBT community? I don't think so. Comic book movies flopped hard in decades past but they're half of what comes out of Hollywood these days. Let this one flop.
Do you not understand how tolerance works or do you just see it as a partisan goal with no inherent good?
You see a boycott of a movie as being equal to bribing a government to deny the rights of a minority and spreading hateful rhetoric so I'm guessing it's the latter.
Lets separate the art from the artist. Let's not pay for OSC's works until he stops and apologizes for the homophobic screeds, or dies.
BTW Shakespeare's works, while he was alive, had the same reputation that Stephen King's works do now.
Disagree. By tolerating intolerance, you are allowing intolerance to perpetuate itself, which is counter to the goal of tolerance.
Walt Disney and Henry Ford are dead, no longer promoting nazism/anti-semitism, and their companies do not do so either, so there is no point boycotting them anymore. By the same logic there's nothing wrong with buying an HP Lovecraft or AC Doyle book nowadays (although I'm pretty sure they're all in the public domain by now) or Siemens or IBM equipment. However OSC has still been spewing homophobic rhetoric quite recently and shows no signs of stopping. Paying to see the Ender's Game movie would be funding an active promoter of homophobia.
Fanfics? What about the canonical storyline? It would implode into a black hole.
I have a wife now? 8-(
You can sleep easy when your *nix sysadmin has a beard like that. That's a beard you can trust.
We'd all hate to return to the days of the Robber Barons
Hey now, there are libertarians in here.
A man who was line-camping for the new iPhone is first into the first store stocking the item. He's there even before the employees.
The Apple Genius shows up looking rushed with a large white suitcase and says "Sorry to disappoint you, but we only have one iPhone to sell today due to the number of them that were pre-ordered online. So you there, first in the line, come with me." He opens the store and gets behind the counter, the man in the line walks up to the counter ready to receive his new phone.
The Genius pulls a small, sleek black box from behind the counter and hands it to the man. The man runs towards the door and is almost out when he notices the Genius running after him dragging the big suitcase he came in with, yelling:
Wait! You forgot the cables!
Most of NZ's problems come from the fact that it is willing to be a filthy scat-crackwhore for foreign business. If not for that it would be near the top of my "best places to live" list.
I want to know why he thinks the NSA prints out each webpage and email and then runs it through OCR.
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Exactly, the gear could be man-portable. This is actually an amazingly brilliant plot, you're not around when the victim dies, you leave no evidence on the victim, even if someone spots you during the assassination they couldn't tell you're killing the person (just holding a suitcase near them or backing them with a backpack). This is the most impressively clever thing I've heard of in ages, I'm kind of jealous I never thought of it myself.
Sony comes out with a ground-breakingly open game console (as modern mainstream game consoles go) which forces Microsoft to open theirs up, and recently opened one of their smart watches...could they actually be turning over a new leaf, opening up and providing something their customers want? This seems wrong. They were definitely one of the most evil megacorps just a few months ago.
Odd timing of this, it follows a stream of wacky distractions coming out of Washington since a whole bunch of skeletons spilled out of the closet in the last few months...
Ah the old "effective loss of privacy due to advances in technology and lower costs is acceptable" mindset...
I've tried the "old way analogy" on this and it hasn't worked so far. Police cars following every car, and a police lookout nest on every lamppost are analogous situations that have been deemed acceptable before by those who hold this mindset. I don't supposed police helicopters swarming all over the place all the time would bother you either?
I made a post about this very topic:
http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3883265&cid=44050753