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Apple Files Patent For New Proprietary Port

rwise2112 writes "Apple proposes a solution to multiple port requirements within limited space: the two in one port. The port is described as a 'Combined Input Port,' where two different interfaces could be in one port. The input port includes an outer wall defining a receiving aperture, a substrate positioned within the receiving aperture. One set of contacts is configured to communicate with a first connector and the second set of contacts is configured to communicate with a second connector. Looks like another addition to the special Apple cable lineup."

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  1. Prior art by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Samsung and HTC, and doubtless others, invented this first. My Galaxy S3 has a combined USB, HDMI and audio port. My ancient HTC Hero had a combined USB and audio port. Different connectors used different pins.

    It seems like anything is new and worthy of patenting if it's on a computer, on the internet or on an Apple :-(

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    1. Re:Prior art by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 4, Informative

      Combined USB2.0 & eSata port on recent Lenovo notebooks too. Apple's patent diagram resembles it.

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    2. Re:Prior art by uofitorn · · Score: 2

      It's not just Lenovo. My MSI laptop has the same port.

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    3. Re:Prior art by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      I'm not familiar with the S3 or Apple's patent, but a difference might be that they can have one cable that actually plugs in 2 devices (so that both interfaces are in use at the same time), rather than a port that can be used for multiple things, but only one thing at a time.

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    4. Re:Prior art by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      USB 3.0 cables are a marriage of two different connectors.

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    5. Re:Prior art by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      All of our Dell laptops at work have the USB/eSATA combo ports

    6. Re:Prior art by Hadlock · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A strong case for this would be the "docking station port" found on the bottom of many business class laptops today from Lenovo, Dell and HP. It's also found on the bottom of the SNES, N64 and Gamecube. The one on the gamecube in particular is used to connect GBAs to the Gamecube as a gamepad.

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    7. Re:Prior art by orgelspieler · · Score: 2

      My Latitude has this one, too.

    8. Re:Prior art by gnasher719 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Samsung and HTC, and doubtless others, invented this first. My Galaxy S3 has a combined USB, HDMI and audio port. My ancient HTC Hero had a combined USB and audio port. Different connectors used different pins.

      And how is any of these prior art for a combined USB and SD card reader? You don't (or shouldn't) get patents for an idea, you should get patents for a working implementation.

      Even if Apple applied for a patent for a combined USB, HDMI and audio port, as long as it works different from the Samsung implementation, there is no reason why it shouldn't be patented. And there must be another way to implement it, because if there was only one possible way, then Samsung wouldn't have got a patent.

    9. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Galaxy S3 has an "MHL 2.0" port that allows for the use of:
      a) a charging connection
      b) a data connection
      c) a video connection

    10. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the SCART connector, known in the Americas as EIA Multiport (multi-port, get it?) dating back to 1977.

    11. Re:Prior art by jo_ham · · Score: 0

      Well, the Galaxy S3 couldn't be prior art, since it was released after the patent was filed, but I see your point.

      This port looks to be a hybrid physical port, however, rather than simply one that speaks different protocols (they already have those), so you'd be able to plug a normal USB cable into it, or a normal HDMI cable.

      Again, not sure that's a totally new idea (card readers than can take more than one type of card, perhaps?), but it's a little different to what the S3 does with its microUSB port.

    12. Re:Prior art by Kurast · · Score: 5, Informative

      The patent is only for a specific type of joint connector (not for all of them), and for this type, there is no prior art. The patent, if granted, secures only the schematics/diagrams mentioned in it.

      Even the title being generic, this does not mean they are patenting the abstract idea of combined ports. You have to read the patent to see what it mentions.

    13. Re:Prior art by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's called eSATAp. Oddly enough, my current Thinkpad (T410) only has plain eSATA, but I remember a Fujitsu laptop from my 2008 workplace that had the powered one.

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    14. Re:Prior art by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're absolutely factually correct, but since this is a story about Apple, patents, and law, we Slashdotters will spend the rest of this discussion raging about prior art, litigation, and monopolies.

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    15. Re:Prior art by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Recent? I have had Dell laptops with that for 3 years now.

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    16. Re:Prior art by bp+m_i_k_e · · Score: 1

      So, Apple combined the dual-function (eSATA) port concept with the idea behind a splitter for a 4-wire phone line - which splits two lines to my fax machine and two lines to my phone. More comedy from the patent world...

    17. Re:Prior art by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      So it's like the three-cinch cable for stereo sound + composite video that I plug into the TV *and* the stereo set?

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    18. Re:Prior art by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      Once someone first came up with the idea of combining two different types of data interfaces into a single hybrid port, wouldn't every single other instance of this be an "obvious" invention, and thus not patentable?

    19. Re:Prior art by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Funny

      USB 3.0 cables are a marriage of two different connectors.

      Abomination!

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    20. Re:Prior art by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      Is it sort of like if you could somehow plug in a speakon connector or a 1/4 inch connector into the same jack?

      http://www.markertek.com/Connectors-Adapters/Audio-Connectors/Speakon-Connectors/Neutrik-USA-Inc/NLJ2MD-H.xhtml?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&cvsfa=3786&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=4e4c4a324d442d48&gclid=CLqKt4Kjh7gCFU7hQgodkS0AbA

      ... or the 1/4" | XLR combo port found on most decent quality mixing boards since at least the 1990's.

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    21. Re:Prior art by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Galaxy S3 has an "MHL 2.0" port that allows for the use of:
      a) a charging connection
      b) a data connection
      c) a video connection

      yeah.. it's just their arrangement they're patenting I suppose. so you can't build clone cables.

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    22. Re:Prior art by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 0

      Its funny, read this yesterday on a Mac forum I like to troll, tee hee.

      Its amazing the delusion of Apple fanatics going on about how revolutionary this is, how Apple's engineering is so far ahead of the competition, thinking outside the box bullshit.

      But the reality is they have never seen a combined port of any sort, not in the Appleverse. The most they have seen is a multi-purpose dongle they have to hang off a proprietary port in order for it to do more than one thing. I mean it IS revolutionary that Apple is combining two general purpose technologies into one without inventing a new proprietary accessory you have to buy first.

      But, the way patents work, its not just that other companies have merged two or more purposes into a single slot, its the fact that Apple is combining specifically a SD and USB which is why they will win this patent. Aside from Apple I can't see anybody caring to do this anyways, most port combos are for related purposes not just trying to minimize space, which I also don't see an issue because it would be thinner to put SD and USB beside each other rather than over top. I'd assume you still want to be able to use both slots and not just one or the other.

      Anyways, whatever.

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    23. Re:Prior art by QuantumLeaper · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So patents given to company who move around wires at the end now?

    24. Re:Prior art by gander666 · · Score: 1

      Does yours work? Mine (Dell Latitude, 2010 vintage) and now HP Elitebook has this port, and while it will mount up a esata drive, it very quickly stops working. I have to fall back to USB which blows.

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    25. Re:Prior art by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2

      nope, otherwise there would only exist 5 patents, wheel, fire, rock, paper, scissors.

      You can't patent vague as much as people try. You can't get a patent where you claim "merge two things into one". The patent office wants to know what the "things" are. Even if you listed every port/card/slot combination, it still would be too vague and refused.

      Also its not about being obvious. Rounded rectangles are obvious yet they were awarded anyways, unfortunately.

      Anybody can extend an idea in a new patent. If there was a patent, say, for 3 legged chair, you could easily file your own patent for a 4 legged chair. But the holder of the 3 legged chair could not make a 4 legged model, and the "inventor" of the 4 legged chair could not sell a 4 legged chair (because it includes 3 legs) without entering a partnership of some sort with the original 3 legged patent holder. This is why I claim patents never actually stifle innovation because anybody can read patents and invent new things based off of other patents, but you can't produce or profit from an idea based on another patent until you work out a partnership with the original patent holder(s) in some way.

      Finally even if not awarded an invention patent Apple could be awarded a design pattern, meaning they are protected for the exact placement and orientation of the two slots which there is no prior art for because nobody tried to protect a design for putting together an SD and USB slot before.

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    26. Re:Prior art by nogginthenog · · Score: 1

      My Shuttle case has 1 too.

    27. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious about what mixing boards you've seen that have 1/4" | XLR combo ports. I've seen plenty of self-powered speakers that have them, but I've yet to bump into a mixer with those.

    28. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is ".....with a memory card."

    29. Re:Prior art by zarmanto · · Score: 1

      ... My Galaxy S3 has a combined USB, HDMI and audio port. My ancient HTC Hero had a combined USB and audio port. ...

      Personally, I doubt that Apple is going to successfully navigate the treacherous waters of "prior art" with this patent application... however, the specific examples of the Galaxy S3 and the HTC Hero do not constitute prior art, because they both use proprietary connectors with break-out cables/adapters to accommodate multiple interfaces. (That's pretty easy to see on Google images of the two devices.) As noted by others in this thread, Apple proposes combining two or more standard ports into the physical space of a single port, allowing any one (but only one at a time) of the corresponding standard cables to be inserted into that combined port.

    30. Re:Prior art by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Samsung and HTC, and doubtless others, invented this first. My Galaxy S3 has a combined USB, HDMI and audio port. My ancient HTC Hero had a combined USB and audio port. Different connectors used different pins.

      It seems like anything is new and worthy of patenting if it's on a computer, on the internet or on an Apple :-(

      Technically, the Nook tablets did as well. Although you can plug a stock micro-usb cable into them, the speciality cable that came with the unit penetrated further into the socket and had something like 12 connectors instead of the standard 4. The extra connections lit up the multi-color charge status LED in the cable, but they also informed circuitry within the Nook. A stock micro USB registers as "Not Charging" even when it actually is charging.

    31. Re:Prior art by Ottibus · · Score: 1

      as long as it works different from the Samsung implementation, there is no reason why it shouldn't be patented.

      Actually there could be a number of reasons why it shouldn't be patented, simply being different is not enough.

      You don't (or shouldn't) get patents for an idea, you should get patents for a working implementation.

      You get a patent on a method of doing something, based on a specific example of how it might be done. Using the same method to produce a different working implementation is still an infringement of that patent. Conversely, you can't get a patent on something that is a simple derivation of an existing method (either another patent or a well-known published method).

      What really matters are the claims in patent, which are usually quite different from the description or what it says in the text.

    32. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nature did it first. It's called a "cloaca".

    33. Re:Prior art by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      nope, otherwise there would only exist 5 patents, wheel, fire, rock, paper, scissors.

      6 patents: wheel, fire, lever, rock, paper, scissors.
      Erm, 7 patents: wheel, fire, lever, screw, rock, paper, scissors.
      Okay, 9, no Amongst our patents are: wheel, fire, lever, screw, rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock.
      I'll come in again.

    34. Re:Prior art by InsectOverlord · · Score: 1

      Apple proposes combining two or more standard ports into the physical space of a single port, allowing any one (but only one at a time) of the corresponding standard cables to be inserted into that combined port.

      Yeah, just like ESATAp

    35. Re:Prior art by jedidiah · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > as long as it works different from the Samsung implementation, there is no reason why it shouldn't be patented.

      It's trivial and non-novel. Those a both very good reasons to reject it.

      It's the proverbial "mahogany mouse trap".

      Your corporate toady-ism has some very bad side effects.

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    36. Re:Prior art by Raistlin77 · · Score: 1

      Aside from Apple I can't see anybody caring to do this anyways, most port combos are for related purposes not just trying to minimize space, which I also don't see an issue because it would be thinner to put SD and USB beside each other rather than over top. I'd assume you still want to be able to use both slots and not just one or the other.

      Anyways, whatever.

      Actually, their design appears to use the larger empty side of a typical USB slot for the SD card. Little is added to the height of the USB port while the width is increased since SD cards are wider than USB plugs. The drawings make it obvious that you won't be able to use both SD and USB at the same time.

    37. Re:Prior art by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I trash Tivo for this kind of nonsense all the time and I was an early adopter. The fact that I like their stuff or appreciate that they are an innovator doesn't mean I will cut them any slack for abusive nonsense.

      Beyond that... When you aren't proud of being a moron, you're more likely to realize how unoriginal some stuff is. When you acknowledge more than your single pet brand, you have a broader perspective on things.

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    38. Re:Prior art by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      The patent, if granted, secures only the schematics/diagrams mentioned in it.

      That is incorrect. The patent, if granted, secures whatever is described in the claims. If a claim does not include any mention of the specific type of joint connector, then that specific type is not required to infringe or anticipate the patent. Whatever is described in the figures of the patent is not necessarily part of the claims.

    39. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Works fine. Dell Latitude E6500.

    40. Re:Prior art by Tuidjy · · Score: 2

      Young whisper snappers. Twenty years ago, there used to be scanners which could plug into the keyboard, or the serial port, and which needed power on top of that.

      Different vendors used to come up with all sort of crazy ports. I remember one adapter that had on one side, the standard DB9 male with the outer shell split in two and carrying power, and on the other side two separate ports for power and for a keyboard (the pre-ps2, 6 din mini-din, no less)

      The manual made a big deal how the cable could be used in many configurations, but I remember that there was one combination that was pretty much guaranteed to fry the power supply. No wonder it did not take off, but the concept was there - RS 232 and 12V power - 11 wires, 9 for the former and two for the latter, and able to fit a standard DB9.

      I haven't seen that monstrosity for a while, but I am pretty sure it's still sitting in a maintenance cupboard at one of our plants. I'll try to see who made the things.

      Not the first time Apple tries to patent something that someone thought up decades earlier, and someone else implemented successfully years earlier.

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    41. Re:Prior art by Nyder · · Score: 1

      So patents given to company who move around wires at the end now?

      Apple hasn't be given a patent, they are submitting one.

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    42. Re:Prior art by petteyg359 · · Score: 1

      You mean like those eSATA / USB splitters you can find on eBay that allow you to use an eSATAp port for both an externally-powered eSATA drive and a USB device at the same time, that I've been using with my laptop for well over a year? How ingenious...

    43. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a lich, not a fairy. Get it right, or I'll have to stone you with stale meatballs and rancid marinara.

    44. Re:Prior art by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      You're still using composite video?

    45. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Abomination!

      Marriage is only between 1 man and 1 woman! So sayeth the bearded fairy in the sky!

      One of your dads is a pilot?

    46. Re:Prior art by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      That's why I think it's prior art: I was doing that fifteen years ago.

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    47. Re:Prior art by zarmanto · · Score: 1

      Yeah, just like ESATAp

      Yup... exactly like that. As I said, I didn't really think it was likely to pass the prior art gamut. Now, let's see if the patent examiners happen upon that, in their evaluation of Apple's application, and if they agree that it constitutes prior art. (Patent examiners do document all of their findings in their process, right? Right? ... )

    48. Re:Prior art by scsirob · · Score: 1

      Why is a variation on a theme worthy of a patent? There are plenty connector variations where multiple signal types are passed through the same physical connector. You can even custom order some of them from Tyco. This is not innovation, this is pure protectionism. Should be banned.

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    49. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dealWithIt.gif

    50. Re:Prior art by Deltaspectre · · Score: 1

      The one on the bottom of the Gamecube was for the accessory that could play Gameboy games. The GBA itself had a special connector that went into a controller port

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    51. Re:Prior art by timothy · · Score: 1

      "It seems like anything is new and worthy of patenting if it's on a computer, on the internet or on an Apple :-("

      Or "in space."

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    52. Re:Prior art by gnasher719 · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's trivial and non-novel. Those a both very good reasons to reject it.

      Apart from the fact that Apple is applying for it, what makes it trivial and non-novel? If it's trivial and non-novel, where is the laptop that already has a combined USB and SD-card connector?

    53. Re:Prior art by mindwhip · · Score: 1

      Back in the day you had 'game ports' that were really a MIDI port combined with a joystick port. Two different devices via one connector isn't a new idea!

      And you could have both connected at the same time so even the two at once isn't new!

      http://www.hardwarebook.info/PC_Gameport_with_MIDI

      yet another patent that isn't novel or new...

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    54. Re:Prior art by mindwhip · · Score: 0
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    55. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So this might come as a surprise, but men and women have two different connectors.

    56. Re:Prior art by White+Flame · · Score: 0

      You don't (or shouldn't) get patents for an idea, you should get patents for a working implementation.

      Sure, IF that implementation is novel and non-obvious. The diagram looks like it contains exactly the same application of ideas as its predecessors, making it obvious.

    57. Re:Prior art by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      Your post completely overlooks the required traits of novel and non-obvious. The question isn't if it infringes on prior patents, but if this is patentable at all given that the proverbial cat is out of the bag on the ideas and implementations of combined card-edge connectors.

    58. Re:Prior art by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      Composite video (the "analog hole") means no restrictions on copying or displaying content.

    59. Re:Prior art by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I'm not familiar with the S3 or Apple's patent, but a difference might be that they can have one cable that actually plugs in 2 devices (so that both interfaces are in use at the same time), rather than a port that can be used for multiple things, but only one thing at a time.

      ...So, that really old computer under my desk, that has a PS2 mouse and a PS2 keyboard plugged into an adapter that plugs into one USB port... How is it that doesn't count?

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    60. Re:Prior art by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > When you acknowledge more than your single pet brand, you have a broader perspective on things.

      You are my new favorite person.

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    61. Re:Prior art by Stonefish · · Score: 1

      Patents are not meant to be allowed for obvious things, ie to someone well versed in the art.
      Unfortunately, if you do read this patent it is obvious and a bit sad.
      Apple always likes to own the connector market to peel a few more shekles from devotees wallets.

    62. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung and HTC, and doubtless others, invented this first. My Galaxy S3 has a combined USB, HDMI and audio port. My ancient HTC Hero had a combined USB and audio port. Different connectors used different pins.

      It seems like anything is new and worthy of patenting if it's on a computer, on the internet or on an Apple :-(

      Yeah, and then Apple used their evil time machine again and did the http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Display_Connector in 2000.

      PS: I wonder why the summary forgets to mention the proposed port can be used to plug in both a SD card and a standard USB plug, not a "special Apple cable ".

    63. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and for this type, there is no prior art.

      The entire class of combined connectors is prior art. Just because they've picked one obvious example of that class doesn't mean they should be able to patent it. As usual the PTO is handwaving when it comes to defining what is [not] new and different. e.g. How would you like it if I patented USB connectors used in New York? Nobody's filed that combination before. It's new and novel and different. Why should a geographical additional feature not be patentable?

    64. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is why I claim patents never actually stifle innovation because anybody can read patents and invent new things based off of other patents, but you can't produce or profit from an idea based on another patent until you work out a partnership with the original patent holder(s) in some way.

      The entire patent system stifles innovation, since any person doing business in any area of technology can be sued at any time for the use of their own ideas, and when that happens you'll be spending your lifetime savings paying for lawyers, not to mention going through enormous heartache and stress, as a result of the fact that the US legal system is a disaster. Only the predators abusing the system to their own benefit think anything about it is a good idea. But understanding this requires paying attention to what has actually been going on, something you apparently haven't been doing.

      Legal professionals have gotten so used to ignoring ethical conflicts of interest inherent in the current system (to the massive benefit of their profession) that doing anything to fix the mess is probably hopeless.

    65. Re:Prior art by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Hell maybe my memory is failing but didn't some of the old HP Business laptops have a combined mouse and keyboard port, where if you just wanted one or the other you could just plug it in but if you wanted both you used this special adapter that let you plug both into the single port?

      In any case using a single port for more than one job isn't exactly a new idea, but knowing the USPTO all they'll have to do is put in a lot of jargon and they'll get the patent anyway.

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    66. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My HP dv5t has the USB & eSata combo port too. I always notice how poorly it fits both connectors.

      Pictured here on the DV6, between the HDMI port and the USB port.
      http://images.anandtech.com/galleries/665/hppaviliondv6entertainmentpcargentofrontrightopen.jpg

    67. Re:Prior art by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Some of the Peavey boards, a lot of the Behringer boards which frankly aren't bad as long as you don't push 'em too hard, I think a couple of the Sony pro boards buts it has been awhile since i ran across one, and IIRC quite a few of the Mackie boards have 'em as well.

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    68. Re:Prior art by Chrontius · · Score: 1, Informative

      Bad analogy. This port will take standard USB 2.0/3.0 A plugs, or standard SD cards. MHL is designed to take screwy, proprietary cables to push something vaguely resembling HDMI signaling out of a USB micro-B port. This is designed to allow you to plug in multiple types of standard cards or cables, one at a time, to the same port.

    69. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its funny, read this yesterday on a Mac forum I like to troll, tee hee.

      WTF, are you an adolescent girl?

    70. Re:Prior art by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      What about macrovision?

    71. Re: Prior art by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      There are fairly robust analog workarounds for analog video DRM.

      I have an old Dazzle video capture card that pretty much ignores Macrovision. And a newer USB capture device that I was disappointed to discover is affected by Macrovision.

    72. Re: Prior art by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      She or he probably impersonates one. To, you know, effectively troll that particular forum.

      (The only person in my immediate family who uses an iDevice is my 12 year old niece. )

    73. Re:Prior art by paulej72 · · Score: 1

      Sorry to tell you scissors are a lever, so it is only 8: wheel, fire, screw, rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock.

    74. Re:Prior art by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      It's never -- not even once -- been a problem for me. I have a Liteon DVD burner I bought years ago. Now you don't get the menus or interactive bits, it's just a DVD recorder that acts like a VCR. With far better quality though. It's simple enough for anyone to use, just choose the recording length and go.

    75. Re:Prior art by formfeed · · Score: 2

      USB 3.0 cables are a marriage of two different connectors.

      Abomination!

      Marriage is only between 1 man and 1 woman! So sayeth the bearded fairy in the sky!

      So why did God create the Gender changer ?

    76. Re:Prior art by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Is there some special technique or novel implementation that would be required to implement such a thing or is it simply a case of "move some wires here, make the slot wider here and call it done"?

    77. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A marriage of two different connectors isn't usually the problem...

    78. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can stick an SD card (not an sd card reader) into an ESATAp port?

    79. Re:Prior art by MacDork · · Score: 1
      Correct. FTFA:

      The foregoing description has broad application. For example, while examples disclosed herein may focus on an input port for receiving a USB plug and a SD card, it should be appreciated that the concepts disclosed herein may equally apply to connectors and plugs. Similarly, although the input port may be discussed with respect to a computer, the devices and techniques disclosed herein are equally applicable to any type of device including an external connector for transferring data and/or power.

      That description fits my travel power adapter. You can plug practically any power plug into its port. Rubber stamp for ridiculous obvious patent in 3... 2...

      Fuck you Apple.

    80. Re:Prior art by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1

      not to forget the gazillion of card-readers that only have one opening but accept multiple different cards through it.

    81. Re:Prior art by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      S100 does everything.

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    82. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Samsung and HTC, and doubtless others, invented this first Bull Nature invented this first. Colaca (birds, feces and egg exit port). Vagina (Urine, out; Sperm in, babies, fluids out) and Penis (sperm and urine out)

    83. Re:Prior art by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      My Galaxy S3 has a combined USB, HDMI and audio port.

      No in the same way it doesn't. You can't plug a HDMI plug directly into the S3, it requires a dongle adapter.

      Neither can you plug an audio jack in to that port. That USB can carry audio signals is not the point. This is a physical interface patent.

    84. Re:Prior art by MacDork · · Score: 1

      Even Apple has prior art on this. On the iPod HiFi they had a dual input audio port. You could either use a standard 3.5mm audio cable or an optical audio cable in the same port. Is there no penalty for filing a bogus patent like this?

    85. Re:Prior art by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      The combined jack plug + Toslink is everywhere, it's not specific to Apple. I had one in a Fujitsu laptop from 2005. I wish it were more common these days, though. I guess a lot of people get their digital audio via HDMI, Displayport or something, but as an audio geek, I find such a tie-in a little dumb.

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    86. Re:Prior art by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I had a laptop many moons ago where the entire rear side was a multiple connector, with a flap that lifted up. Inside there were some standardish things like a serial & parallel port you could use individually, but there was also a thing like an edge connector that enabled you to connect the lappie, all in one go, to a dock unit which had extra USB ports, PS2 sockets and other malarkey in addition to pass-throughs for the legacy ports.

      Also my old Archos PMA has a stand with a combined biderectional AV plug/remote interface/power cable.

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    87. Re: Prior art by Rational · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone should read the patent itself, rather than the submitter's regurgitated and likely misleading summary, before declaring the patent bogus?

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    88. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck apple. The only people who buy their shit are clueless morons and faggots.

    89. Re:Prior art by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      USB 3.0 cables are a marriage of two different connectors.

      Abomination!

      Marriage is only between 1 man and 1 woman! So sayeth the bearded fairy in the sky!

      So why did God create the Gender changer ?

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    90. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Atari 2600 has two paddle controllers connected to one port...

  2. Speaking as a Mac owner by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, fuck.

    bad enough every video cable is an adaptor, now what, more? [groans]

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    1. Re:Speaking as a Mac owner by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Apple's special-cable and SD-card-adapter business is very lucrative...

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    2. Re:Speaking as a Mac owner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I get that your post was meant to be sarcastic, but I actually have a monitor with DisplayPort input that I use with my MacBook Pro. Yes, I had to buy a Mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort cable, but if it had mDP input I still would have had to buy a mDP to mDP cable.

      Honestly I'd rather have to carry adapters then only have a laptop with HDMI or VGA output. It's convenient for me to have one port that handles digital/analog/audio depending on what I plug in, as opposed to HDMI (digital/audio only) or VGA (just analog).

    3. Re:Speaking as a Mac owner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should try not trusting slashdot headlines and article summaries to be truthful in any way. If you skim the patent application, you'll find it's not a proprietary port. It's just a hybrid connector designed to accept either a standard USB plug or a standard SD card. (And odds are good Apple will never actually sell computers with such a connector. They try out a lot of things internally, and file patents on them as a matter of course, but only a handful ever make it to product status.)

      But I forget myself -- I'm replying to fyngyrz, king of going off half cocked about whatever Apple paranoia is trending at slashdot. In fact, you've disappointed me here, man -- you didn't work out a way of including an ill-informed whine about the new Mac Pro.

    4. Re:Speaking as a Mac owner by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It's all part of Apple's long term goal to simplify the computer. The MacPro of 2020 will look like a small glossy black matchbox made entirely of Combined Input Ports. Want a CPU? External! GPU? External! RAM? External! PSU?

      But at least the computer will be small, shiny, and very expensive.

    5. Re: Speaking as a Mac owner by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I, too, was worried about Apple using this patent practically. They could even, then, include an SD card/USB port on their iDevices. That would be a bummer, because their infamous lack of connectivity helps in there being more apps in the Play Store.

    6. Re:Speaking as a Mac owner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cable connector will resemble Steve Jobs' head as a Memorial to Steve Jobs.

    7. Re:Speaking as a Mac owner by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      If you can show that any remark I made about the new Mac Pro was ill-informed because *I* wasn't paying attention, as opposed to speculative based on Apple not releasing info, have at it. Otherwise, yeah, you're a troll, so what. All Apple has said so far about the unit is it will support 3 4k monitors, 6 thunderbolt, 2 firewire, and 4 USB(3), with one CPU socket and 4 ram sockets, no internal HD or card expansion. All of my remarks about it that I can recall, at least, have been in that context.

      But as I say, if you can point to something different...

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  3. Special Cable? not so much... by Tavor · · Score: 5, Informative
    From TFA:

    Apple illustrated the idea with discussion of a USB port and SD card reader, showing how the card reader and USB port could be integrated, but the port could house other interconnects.

    The summary is misleading in so many ways. This is just adding USB to a multi-card reader.

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    1. Re:Special Cable? not so much... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea thats what I thought, you can still use normal usb cables and normal camera cards, just combined into one port. No new cables to come.

  4. Just another way to get money from fanboys by Rato+Ruter · · Score: 1, Informative

    Even though I understand the idea, isn't there any standards conforming alternative? Always the walled garden...

    1. Re:Just another way to get money from fanboys by Quila · · Score: 2

      >Even though I understand the idea, isn't there any standards conforming alternative?

      Then you don't understand the idea, because this is just a way to save space by having one port accept either a standard USB cable or an SD card. This is probably for the next-gen 11" MacBook Air, because it doesn't currently have room for both.

      As far as this quesiton for previous products?

      Dock connector: No, there was no standard that was capable of handling power (multiple voltages), serial, USB, Firewire, composite video, S-video, audio in and audio out.

      Firewire: No, there was no standard 400 Mbps peer-to-peer auto-configuring connector.

      Thunderbolt: No, there's no standard near that league.

      DisplayPort: It was a VESA standard, Apple was just the early adopter. Apple did come out with a mini DP connector, and licensed it freely, and it is now part of the standard.

      Lightning: No, there's no standard connector that can auto-reconfigure to send whatever type of signals over whichever pins you want.

  5. Idea previously implemented. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Invalid.
    Concept has already been implemented. I have a Dell system with a combination eSATA/USB port. This is just a rip off of prior art.

  6. Genius design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They just invented the stereo jack!

  7. Not a new cable. by FellowConspirator · · Score: 4, Informative

    Specifically, this port allows either an SD card or USB3 cable to be plugged into the same physical opening. Either will fit.

  8. wow, a proprietary connector by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple sure is innovative!

  9. iFacepalm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because you know, it's not like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESATAp this has any prior art, or anything.

    1. Re:iFacepalm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can stick a SD card into an esap port?

  10. Not exactly new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have an eSATA+USB port on my 3 year old laptop.

    1. Re:Not exactly new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can you stick an sd card into it?

  11. Reading comprehension fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While the submitted made their hatred of all things Apple very clear, they also made clear that their rage obscures their ability to read.
    The patent is clearly for one port that you can plug multiple standard cables into -- so there is no call for the "looks like another addition to the special Apple cable lineup" snark.

    1. Re:Reading comprehension fail by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Right, but the patent was filed in 2011, when the obvious prior art (eSATAp, which combines eSATA and USB ports in a seemingly identical fashion to that described in the patent) has been around since 2008.

      There's nothing wrong with what Apple wants to do with ports. In fact, I think it's a great way to expand connectivity on laptops with minimal space for ports. I've got a Macbook Air that would benefit greatly from this. But there's no justification for trying to patent an idea that has been shipping in laptops for years prior.

    2. Re:Reading comprehension fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, but this is for a specific implementation and group of ports, not for eSATA + USB and not for combinations as a general concept.

      Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches wouldn't be prior art for Reece's peanut butter cups.

    3. Re:Reading comprehension fail by Olmy's+Jart · · Score: 1

      That also fails the prior art test since a lot of audio equipment is equipped with SPDIF ports that have an electrical coax connector shell and a fiberoptic core. So you can plug in either a coax SPDIF digital audio cable or a fiberoptic one. Two well documented standard cables and one port.

    4. Re:Reading comprehension fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seriously don't understand the concept of prior art and as such you really should refrain from discussing IP and patent law.

      By your logic any conduit that carries electronic signal (including any port that is 100% electronic) is prior art since we've had electric conducting wires since at least the 1800s.

      I know that's a dream by a folks around here but it really doesn't apply to the current definition of prior art. Sorry.

    5. Re:Reading comprehension fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From TFA: "Apple proposes a way for the laptop to get around the limitation by allowing the bundling of two ports into one. Apple's workaround to the limited space is a layered port which can accept two different connectors, through its staggered electrical contacts and shape."

      How is that not the same thing as eSTATAp?

    6. Re:Reading comprehension fail by Guspaz · · Score: 2

      Paragraph 54 of the patent application widens it to cover any sort of connection rather than just USB/SD. They're only using USB/SD as an example.

    7. Re:Reading comprehension fail by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      The patent specifically states that USB/SD is just an example and that the patent should apply to the same technique being used for other multi-plug sockets. Such sockets pre-date the patent. I don't need to be an IP lawyer to read plain English.

    8. Re:Reading comprehension fail by gerddie · · Score: 1

      Right, but this is for a specific implementation and group of ports, not for eSATA + USB and not for combinations as a general concept.

      The term patent usually refers to the right granted to anyone who invents any new, useful, and non-obvious process, machine, article of manufacture, or composition of matter.. Now given that the eSATA + USB combination already existed, how is any other combination of ports non-obvious?

    9. Re:Reading comprehension fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except it also specifically provides a technique for doing so that may be non-obvious and it's the technique, not the combined ports, that are being patented.

    10. Re:Reading comprehension fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not an IP lawyer either, but I've paid enough attention over the years that I know it's standard for patent applications to try to assert overly-broad rights, and equally standard for such broad, vague claims to be unenforceable in practice. When it comes to machinery, etc., patent law (including established precedent) requires more specificity.

      Such patents are still useful in patent warfare, since often all that's needed is the threat of forcing someone to defend against a suit. The USPTO frequently lets such over-broad claims through, leaving it up to courts to decide what is and isn't patentable, so there's not much downside to patent holders being greedy about what they claim.

    11. Re:Reading comprehension fail by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      That also fails the prior art test since a lot of audio equipment is equipped with SPDIF ports that have an electrical coax connector shell and a fiberoptic core. So you can plug in either a coax SPDIF digital audio cable or a fiberoptic one. Two well documented standard cables and one port.

      Apples (audio) and oranges (data).

  12. Proprietary Ports by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    That has always been Apple's forte, and now is its lone distinguishing 'feature'...

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    1. Re:Proprietary Ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That has always been Apple's forte, and now is its lone distinguishing 'feature'...

      Yeah, for example, here's a list of proprietary ports on current Apple computers:

      - The power adapter plug on laptops. Just like every other laptop power adapter.
      - Er, well, the standard headphone port can also take a non-standard digital audio out cable?
      - Wait, "uncommon" is the same as "proprietary," right? So yeah, Thunderbolt is totes proprietary!

      Right.

    2. Re:Proprietary Ports by zieroh · · Score: 1

      Bet you can't name two.

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    3. Re:Proprietary Ports by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You mean besides ADB, ADC, SCSI, Firewire, Mini Display Port, and Thunderbolt? Yeah, you're probably right.

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    4. Re:Proprietary Ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      scsi was more than just apple, firewire (ieee1394) was more than just apple, thunderbolt is intel...

  13. File Date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    December 23, 2011

  14. Non-obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't the intention of a patent to document the creation of something non-obvious? There have been multiple designs for combined ports, from docking station connectors to USB/eSATA connectors, and even the combined flash media readers. What's novel about this implementation?

    Is this just an attempt to force people to pay a license in order to make compatible cables??

    1. Re:Non-obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how many can you stick an sd card in?

  15. not really innovative but not proprietary either by arifyn · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is just cramming two ports into one space (in the example, SD and USB) so you can add more functionality to the sort of thin & light products that Apple is obsessed with. No need for a "special Apple cable", since the whole point is that it can accept several standard interfaces.

  16. Audio Jack? by wagnerrp · · Score: 1, Informative

    They're describing a plug where you have different contacts at different depths. Push one cable in one depth, and you hit one set of contacts. Push another cable in deeper, and you hit different contacts. How is this any different than a standard audio jack, where you have two or three rings and a center pin? The only difference here is that they're individual contacts, rather than a whole ring.

    1. Re:Audio Jack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the esata/usb combined ports

    2. Re:Audio Jack? by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference is that you have to pay Apple $5 for a license.

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    3. Re:Audio Jack? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      My Nook Color has an extra deep USB port. Plug a regular USB cable in and you get standard USB functionality. Plug in the special Nook Color charger with an extra-long USB connector and you get a high-power charger.

      Those two connectors happen to have the same outside shape, but it's the depth that's in question here, so prior art bitches. I guess Apple can patent a specific port shape if it wants, like one that won't let you transfer your photos to your USB hard drive.

      I know, though, in Appleland any port at all is like a sebaceous cyst on an otherwise perfect surface. If only wireless Thunderbolt were available now they could offload all the connectivity to a breakout box that people could begrudgingly take out when the unseemly need arose to connect a non-Apple product to the otherwise perfect Macbook. Afterwards it could be safely hidden away, and nobody would ever have to tell their friends about it.

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    4. Re:Audio Jack? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Push one in one depth, and you hit one set of contacts. Push another in deeper, and you hit different contacts.

      So many jokes, so little time ...

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    5. Re:Audio Jack? by rst123 · · Score: 1

      Or the USB 3 port that is backwards compatible to USB 2?

    6. Re:Audio Jack? by phayes · · Score: 2

      why is it that you were incapable of actually reading TFA and discovering that the patent is very narrowly for a combined USB/SD port, making every apple-bashing word about how you have some whatever combo USB cable irrelevant?

      Is it that when you see apple and patent in the same sentence your mind turns off rendering you unable consider that in this case, the patent is a valid functional patent?

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    7. Re:Audio Jack? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      The difference is that you have to tithe Apple $5 for a license.

      FTFY; the word 'pay' just doesn't seem sanctimonious enough.

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    8. Re:Audio Jack? by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

      The difference is that you have to tithe Apple $5 for a license.

      FTFY; the word 'pay' just doesn't seem sanctimonious enough.

      I don't believe you have the correct definition of what "tithe" means.

    9. Re:Audio Jack? by bancho · · Score: 1

      It's ADS (Apple Derangement Syndrome). It can be comical at times, or it can manifest like you've seen here.

    10. Re:Audio Jack? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      The difference is that you have to tithe Apple $5 for a license.

      FTFY; the word 'pay' just doesn't seem sanctimonious enough.

      I don't believe you have the correct definition of what "tithe" means.

      By golly, you're right - forgot that a tithe is only 1/10th (which, as we all know, is the part Apple doesn't feel entitled to).

      Thanks for the correction!

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    11. Re:Audio Jack? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      the patent is very narrowly for a combined USB/SD port

      Which is why I specifically wrote, " I guess Apple can patent a specific port shape if it wants, like one that won't let you transfer your photos to your USB hard drive."

      Why is it that you're incapable of reading the whole comment?

      the patent is a valid functional patent?

      The patent should not be valid. The idea of combining multiple ports into one is not new, and any given combination of combined ports has an obvious and necessary design.

      If you're unfamiliar with Jobs's design aesthetic you should go back and watch some of his keynotes and interviews.

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    12. Re:Audio Jack? by InsectOverlord · · Score: 1

      Is the invention novel and non-obvious?

      If it isn't, it's not a valid patent. Period.

    13. Re:Audio Jack? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      why is it that you were incapable of actually reading TFA and discovering that the patent is very narrowly for a combined USB/SD port

      Or perhaps some people are capable of reading the claims, which is the important part a patent, and seeing that Claim 1 has no such limitation.

    14. Re:Audio Jack? by phayes · · Score: 1

      the patent is very narrowly for a combined USB/SD port

      Which is why I specifically wrote, " I guess Apple can patent a specific port shape if it wants, like one that won't let you transfer your photos to your USB hard drive."

      Why is it that you're incapable of reading the whole comment?

      the patent is a valid functional patent?

      The patent should not be valid. The idea of combining multiple ports into one is not new, and any given combination of combined ports has an obvious and necessary design.

      If you're unfamiliar with Jobs's design aesthetic you should go back and watch some of his keynotes and interviews.

      How is a combined USB/SD port on a mac something that "won't let you transfer your photos to your USB hard drive"? Oh, I get it, you don't actually read TFA & go rip roaring on a tangent complaining about the thunderbolt connected which has very little to do with the port in question.

      Why not make yourself clear and denounce all patents as invalid. After all I'm sure you think yourself so intelligent that everything is a trivial combination of pre existing ideas. That's in effect, the only conclusion that can be drawn from your believing that a particular USB cable somehow applies to a combined USB/sd port.

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    15. Re:Audio Jack? by phayes · · Score: 1

      Eli Whitne's cotton gin was only a minor improvement over pre existing inventions that many tried to claim was not novel & an obvious improvement. And yet...

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  17. Dongles by simonbp · · Score: 3, Funny

    What is it with Apple engineers and 1000 different connectors? Do they have a dongle fetish?

    1. Re:Dongles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple really wants you to play with it's dongle.

    2. Re:Dongles by Minwee · · Score: 1

      No, but they would sure fork that guy's repo, if you know what I mean.

    3. Re:Dongles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because their own dongles aren't big enough.

    4. Re:Dongles by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What is it with Apple engineers and 1000 different connectors? Do they have a dongle fetish?

      No, they have a near-Teutonic obsession with small, neat, and orderly in their designs.

      In the process, they tend to decide that the big honking cables evolved for desktops aren't so useful on small devices and build their own.

      The dongles are just a side effect -- and I'm sure in no small measure a desire to lock into proprietary stuff.

      But I think Apple has always moved forward with new connection technologies -- I think they were among the first to support USB in an era where PC makers were slavishly doing nothing new because nobody else had done it yet.

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    5. Re:Dongles by mjpollard · · Score: 1

      What is it with Apple engineers and 1000 different connectors? Do they have a dongle fetish?

      Wasn't Paul Reubens arrested for indulging in his dongle fetish?

    6. Re:Dongles by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Do they have a dongle fetish?

      Hey, that stereotype about Apple customers isn't true!

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    7. Re:Dongles by See+Attached · · Score: 1

      I took an iphone 4s apart the other day.. It was a study in how difficult it can be made to assemble. the entire phone had to come apart o replace the phone jack. With a circuit board shaped like an "l", why would connectors/cables have to be run on top and under and around and over ... Some one needs to get some DFM going on. Yes... I did get it back together. Yes, it did work!

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    8. Re:Dongles by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      It was a study in how difficult it can be made to assemble

      I don't doubt that ... super small and space efficient doesn't make for easy to re-assemble.

      Hell, most things you can't even cram back into its packaging these days.

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    9. Re:Dongles by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      What's smaller than wireless?

      Get rid of the ports and use BT / W-USB / W-HDMI. Use induction charging if you're feeling ambitious.

      Dongles = lock-in + $$, and there's no other way around it.

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    10. Re:Dongles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    11. Re:Dongles by organgtool · · Score: 1

      I think they were among the first to support USB in an era where PC makers were slavishly doing nothing new because nobody else had done it yet.

      Apple fought USB with their own proprietary connector called Firewire. Firewire was significantly faster than USB, especially at sustained transfers, but it was more expensive to implement because of a combination of the technologies involved and Apple's license fees. Apple ended up abandoning that technology for newer versions of USB and eventually Thunderbolt, mostly due to lackluster third-party support for Firewire devices.

    12. Re:Dongles by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      > What's smaller than wireless?

      Wireless sucks. It's SLOW, insecure, and unreliable.

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    13. Re:Dongles by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Apple fought USB with their own proprietary connector called Firewire.

      I am quite certain the original iMac was pretty much USB only before there was Firewire.

      A few years later when they were introducing Firewire, they definitely shifted over to that.

      But, initially, they introduced machines which had USB in them when it was an add-on and quite uncommon for everything else.

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    14. Re:Dongles by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      In that case they are failing badly.

      Compare the Lightning connector to Samsung's modified micro USB connector. The Lightning connector needs bulky dongles to support video or analogue audio output. Video quality is poor. They are a similar size but the Samsung connector does a lot more in the same space without the need for dongles.

      Instead of orderly they have created a large number of different cables. Cables that are not compatible with anything else, creating disorder and mess.

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    15. Re:Dongles by BigPhatPhuck · · Score: 1

      FireWire is/was not proprietary. It's an implementation of the IEEE 1394 standard.

    16. Re:Dongles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple fought USB with their own proprietary connector called Firewire. Firewire was significantly faster than USB, especially at sustained transfers, but it was more expensive to implement because of a combination of the technologies involved and Apple's license fees. Apple ended up abandoning that technology for newer versions of USB and eventually Thunderbolt, mostly due to lackluster third-party support for Firewire devices.

      Nonsense. Literally every Apple computer with Firewire ports also had USB. Apple saw the two as complementary technologies, not as mortal enemies.

      Stop with the technology Highlanderism ("THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!"). It makes you stupid.

    17. Re:Dongles by Ster · · Score: 1

      I think they were among the first to support USB in an era where PC makers were slavishly doing nothing new because nobody else had done it yet.

      Apple fought USB with their own proprietary connector called Firewire. Firewire was significantly faster than USB, especially at sustained transfers, but it was more expensive to implement because of a combination of the technologies involved and Apple's license fees. Apple ended up abandoning that technology for newer versions of USB and eventually Thunderbolt, mostly due to lackluster third-party support for Firewire devices.

      That is pretty fundamentally wrong. USB and FireWire were intended to be complementary connectors and protocols. USB was intended for inexpensive and low-bandwidth devices, master-slave connectivity, no DMA - the type of things that would previously have been connected with PS/2, DB9, or DB25. FireWire was intended for things that needed peer-to-peer connectivity, bandwidth and latency guarantees (like video - IEEE 1394 is part of the DV standard), and DMA - things that would previously have been done with something like SCSI or PCI. Both interface coexisted for years on Macs and PCs.

      It so happens that later versions of USB have added some of FireWire's features, to the point where USB2 and USB3 can do most - but still not all - of the things that FireWire can do. Because the chipset vendors included USB in commodity chipsets, but FireWire required a discrete chip, USB has better market penetration.

      Thunderbolt is another thing entirely - it's essentially 4x PCIe-Gen2, using an interface that allows for piggybacking DisplayPort as well. (For example, the Thunderbolt RAID enclosures that you see basically contain a PCIe RAID controller that shows up on the PCIe bus when you connect it.)

      -Ster

    18. Re: Dongles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the middle-era Macs with USB and Firewire have deliberately crippled USB. My G4 iMac (the makeup mirror one) won't boot off the USB port. They were slow to adopt USB 2.0, because USB was seen as sort of 'ghetto' by Apple in that era.

    19. Re: Dongles by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      My G4 iMac (the makeup mirror one) won't boot off the USB port. They were slow to adopt USB 2.0, because USB was seen as sort of 'ghetto' by Apple in that era.

      Troll. Windows at the time didn't support USB booting either, even if your PC supported it, which wasn't a given.

  18. Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineup" by Above · · Score: 4, Informative

    Normally I'm not a fan of the jump on the poster bandwagon, but this title and description could not be more misleading. The patent is on the idea of making one port take two standard connectors. The example used is a USB-or-SD Card physical form factor.

    The design does not use "proprietary port"(s), rather it builds on existing standard port designs.

    The design does not require a "special Apple cable", indeed the entire point is that standards compliant devices (not just cables, but things like SD cards) will just work.

    As to the merits, it seems to me like there is probably prior art, and it may also fail the obviousness test. I'm not sure this is an idea that deserves patent protection. As devices get smaller, thinner, and lighter, I do think this is a great idea to reduce the physical space needed to provide all the ports a user might want.

  19. Yo dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We put a cable in your cable, so we can send data while we recieve data.

  20. Old Mistakes never die.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apple Files Patent For New Proprietary Port"

    Because that's a sure way of making sure it's adopted by everyone.....

  21. And I just got rid of my S-Video cables by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    I was rummaging through my cable collection (it fills an entire cabinet because of all the adaptors) and found a bunch of old S-video cables and I remembered that ADB cables were the same as S-video, and how I saved PILES of money by getting standard boring old S video cable instead of the apple branded ADB for the same functionality.

    Can't really do that anymore.

    I wonder if this will combine USB / Thunderbolt / firewire. Please dear god...

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    1. Re:And I just got rid of my S-Video cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could be worse. Back when SCSI was an option, you needed Apple DB-25 to Amphenol 50 pin cables, 50-pin terminators,maybe some 50-pin to 68-pin scsi drive adapters. Or to 50 pin IDE connectors. Then things got much worse, with wide scsi, ultra-wide scsi, fast, ultra-fast, lvds, the list goes on almost endlessly. Almost any time I bought a new RAID card or enclosure or drive, there was some new incompatibility. And that's not even talking about protocol incompatibilities, or SCSI-over-xxxx.

      Kinda makes one long for places like North Korea, where one supreme dictator could, with a stroke of a pen, decree ONE bleepin standard for the next 5 years. At least for connectors and cables.

  22. Re:Bob Saget by orgelspieler · · Score: 0

    Oh, c'mon mods! I know you guys don't like operagost, but this one was pretty funny.

  23. Seems like Cisco might have some prior art. by Olmy's+Jart · · Score: 1

    I think Cisco/Linksys may have some contrary prior art.

    Some Linksys WiFi routers would seen to meet that description. There's a "hidden serial console port" on the WTR-610N WiFi routers for the serial access port. It's on the opposite side of the LAN1 port. You wire a special ethernet connector up with a 4 wire cable on top (tap side) of the ethernet plug and it mates with circuit board contacts giving you a TTL level serial for reprogramming and a controlling console.

    That router has been around for quite a few years. There certainly may be others. They produced a number of models of the same footprint and form factor over the years.

    I just happen to own a couple of these myself (and yes managed to brick and recover one). References and descriptions can be found on the dd-wrt web site forums where they've documented it.

    1. Re:Seems like Cisco might have some prior art. by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's not what they are doing here. Those sort of "one port, many protocols" thing has been around for a while. What this is, is a design for a port that can accept a standard USB cable or a standard SD card (not both at the same time) into one port, depending which one you needed to use at the time.

      The apple bashing "lolz need a special connector" snark in the summary is nonsense, as usual, but apple bashers typically have their reading comprehension obscured by the fog of hatred. It's funny, because they're often pretty decent with technology and basic reading ability otherwise.

  24. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by Guspaz · · Score: 2

    The idea might have deserved patent protection; I don't think you can say it's "obvious" to figure out how to cram multiple connectors into a single port and make them work. There's some neat engineering that goes into making that happen. The problem is that somebody else did it first; eSATAp, which combines eSATA and USB in a single port (and can be used as either an eSATA port, a USB port, or with a special connector that combines the two) predates the patent filing by several years, if nothing else.

  25. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

    As to the merits, it seems to me like there is probably prior art, and it may also fail the obviousness test. I'm not sure this is an idea that deserves patent protection.

    I think it is a very, very obvious idea that you would want a port where you can plug in either a USB connector or an SD card. What I don't know is how difficult it is to make this very obvious idea work. Consider this: It is a very, very obvious idea that it would nice if my car could fly. Does it fly? No. Because it's hard to implement.

    That's actually something that makes it more patent worthy: If there is an obvious need for it, and similar things have already been developed and well accepted, but this particular combination isn't available yet, then it seems reasonable that actually making it work requires something entirely non-obvious.

  26. USB U is for Univeral by jellomizer · · Score: 0

    What is wrong with just making devices with USB ports. Normal USB, and Micro USB.
    Why do we need a bunch of freakin ports. Just make the fastest bi-directional port you can, and use it... For everything.

    We shouldn't need VGA,HDMI, DVI, USB, Firewire, SD, SATA..... Just give us one port to connect a damn wire from one system to the next!

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    1. Re:USB U is for Univeral by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      That's what this is. A USB port (that accepts normal USB cables) with the ability to also accept SD cards to save space on the device so you don't need two ports.

    2. Re: USB U is for Univeral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Thunderbolt is the interface you're looking for:

      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

    3. Re:USB U is for Univeral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because each of those has different requirements that aren't all satisfied simply by "fast and bi-directional." USB connectors are fine, but I know if I was swapping out memory cards with USB connectors to my camera, I'd eventually break the card or worse, the connector to the camera. SD cards don't have that problem. And I sure as heck don't want to replace the Cat 5 in my house with USB (which I doubt could even work because of interference issues). Then there are the licensing issues... We could babble on and on about it.

      tl;dr: because.

    4. Re:USB U is for Univeral by fnj · · Score: 1

      Except to save one tenth of a square inch they have made it so you can't plug in USB and SD at the same time. Fail.

    5. Re:USB U is for Univeral by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Ah, damned if they do, damned if they don't. Got it.

      Remember that they save space on the board inside the device too, oh and they probably measure in SI units.

      Given the description of the port, it's likely that it would simply replace the SD port slot on the side of a future Macbook, or replace one of the USB ports (there is more than one).

      But, no, keep up with the hate. Far more productive.

    6. Re:USB U is for Univeral by fnj · · Score: 1

      So it's hate now to point out stupid, pointless design choices?

    7. Re:USB U is for Univeral by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      How is it stupid? Where previously you only had a USB port, now you could have a USB port and an SD port, with the minor inconvenience of only being able to use it as an either/or.

      The alternative is no SD slot (which is the choice they made before) in the case of smaller devices.

      Also, this hasn't even been included in any product yet, so declaring it as "fail" because it's an either/or connector without actually seeing it in use is just being contrary for the sake of it because it's something Apple came up with. What is your alternative? That they just stick with a normal USB port? (Genuinely curious).

  27. Re:Filing doesn't mean getting by jo_ham · · Score: 2

    I see you didn't read the article.

    As to why you don't buy garbage, that's between you and the product descriptions that you also must fail to read.

  28. Wireless devices should be wireless by Animats · · Score: 1

    Wireless portable devices should be totally wireless. No holes, no connectors, and waterproof. Today's smartphones have radios for GSM, WiFi, Bluetooth, and GPS. Some have near-field communications and wireless charging. There's no need for wires.

    I'm amazed that Apple hasn't done this, with their fetish for clean industrial design.

    (Also, the three competing wireless charging standards need to be reduced to one. Then we'll see more public wireless charging pads and tray tables.)

    1. Re:Wireless devices should be wireless by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Some have near-field communications and wireless charging. There's no need for wires.

      My personal opinion is wireless charging works but isn't great. It does add complexity and cost to a device but at reduced performance. 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac is everywhere: why do servers need Ethernet anyways?

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  29. Hasn't this been out there for a while? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm no expert on patents, but hasn't this combined port thing been done already... a lot? My gigabyte motherboard has USB 2.0 ports that double as USB 3.0, and also has USB ports that double as eSATA ports. Never seen a port that combines USB and SD drive, so maybe that's new and patentable? Card readers for years had combined slots where you could plug SD cards and MemorySticks into the same slot. This doesn't seem like the type of patent filing that Apple should be granted, but given the track record of the USPTO, they probably will! *sigh*

  30. Re:Audio Jack? - to ensure entrapture. by See+Attached · · Score: 1

    Thats so the parts can break off deeper inside the phone.. Anyone out there ever replace a phone jack on a 4s?

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  31. Esata/USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really how is this different from the Esata/USB port found on many laptops.

  32. Been done already by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

    See the input ports on DVI-D-capable monitors, with contacts for both analog and digital signals. It should also be obvious, contacts can be used for anything so once you have contacts in a connector for one thing it's a simple and straightforward idea to add a few more contacts for another thing. And you have USB charging cables which separate the +5/GND power pins from the D+/D- data pins, hooking power up to provide for charging but ignoring data since it's irrelevant. So yeah, this patent ought to be smacked down based on at least the KSR v. Teleflex ruling.

  33. It's a trap by AndyKron · · Score: 0

    Don't buy it, it's a trap!

  34. How is this different from USB 3.0? by kriston · · Score: 1

    Exactly how is this different from USB 3.0? Or even the Nook Color and Nook Tablet's 12-pin 1.9 amp micro-USB connector that optionally charges at 1.9 amps with the appropriate connector, but regular USB with a 5-pin connector?

    There's lots of prior art.

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    1. Re:How is this different from USB 3.0? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Exactly how is this different from USB 3.0? Or even the Nook Color and Nook Tablet's 12-pin 1.9 amp micro-USB connector that optionally charges at 1.9 amps with the appropriate connector, but regular USB with a 5-pin connector?

      There's lots of prior art.

      It's different in that you can't plug an SD card into these connectors.

  35. Waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What we really need is an adapter that will let me plug a USB 3.0 device into a USB 2.0 port and still run at full (3.0) speed.

    Now then we'd really have something.

  36. It's a small thermal exhaust port... by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

    ...right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the reactor system.

  37. Well drat by jxander · · Score: 0

    I was really hoping for the force-feedback codpiece.

    At least that way, when Apple screws you over, at least you get a little somethin-somethin from it.

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    1. Re:Well drat by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      I was really hoping for the force-feedback codpiece.

      I know that it's just the vernacular for a certain kind of device, but I find myself a bit uneasy with the idea of any sort of 'force-feedback' in the general vicinity of my ballsack...

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    2. Re: Well drat by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      But imagine the malware potential.

    3. Re: Well drat by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      I assume something like hostage-ware, but instead of locking your computer up it threatens to simulate a track-cleat-nut-stompin' every 20 minutes until you pay up...

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  38. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by chromas · · Score: 1

    you would want a port where you can plug in either a USB connector or an SD card.

    As long as it's a second SD slot so I don't have to contract storage space every time it needs a-chargin'.

    If there is an obvious need for it, and similar things have already been developed and well accepted, but this particular combination isn't available yet, then what's the point?

  39. Re:Filing doesn't mean getting by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay, that's just trolling right there.

    First, this is not a proprietary port, as that implies that it takes proprietary plus. It is a proprietary connector that takes standard plugs and SD cards.

    Second, to the best of my recollection, not counting power connectors or internal card slots, Apple products have used only four truly proprietary ports in its entire history: the two iPhone dock connectors, the Apple high density video connector (early PowerPC desktops), and the HDI-30 external SCSI connector (68k era laptops).

    All the other connectors that you seem to think are proprietary are either existing industry standard connectors (e.g. mini-DIN-8 serial and DB25 SCSI) or are connectors that Apple designed and made available as part of industry standards that it helped define (e.g. FireWire 400/800, Mini DisplayPort, and Thunderbolt).

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  40. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

    Except patents do not need to be for working hardware. That hasn't been the case for decades (if ever). How else would we have patents on software? There are plenty of patents for flying cars as well. In fact, there are so many that there are enough of them out there that someone did an article about the top 5 recent flying car patents: http://info.articleonepartners.com/top-5-recent-flying-car-patents/

    The issue in this case is that it may also be too broad. I havn't read the patent, as I may be in a situation where if I know about a particular patent it is worse than if I didn't know about it. But from the summary, they are specifically using the words "like" when showing their example of SD and USB. This implies that their patent isn't just for USB and SD, but for ANY type or combination of devices, for which USB and eSATA would fall under the same group/category of multiple devices. The same thing would then be said for anything that made special converters to combine multiple types of cables into 1 cable.

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  41. dot panel patent by 2gravey · · Score: 0

    I propose a signaling device that creates an information interface to personal computer users by representing coded data as lighted dots on a panel that are arranged to recreate both text and multimedia images. I have just submitted this concept to the patent office, which makes it patent pending, so if you choose to use such an interface you had better pay me a royalty.

  42. Not a bad idea, but by bsdasym · · Score: 1

    It's nothing new either, and for that reason I doubt it's patentable. There is definite prior art, and as stated, the obviousness test fails instantly. To clear up a little misinformation here, what they are talking about is a port (i.e. a mechanical interface) that can house 2+ other disparate interfaces, so those other interfaces can be used *without* requiring a dongle -- though from the looks of it, you're going to need a dongle if you want to use more than one of them at a time. It doesn't look like their example port is designed to allow both an SD card and USB cable to be used at once -- unless you use a dongle! So on the face of it what they're trying to patent is any case where two physically different connectors can be plugged into the same socket, and the electrical connection that is made is matched correctly to the connector type. It does bear a strong resemblence to the eSATAp port which is simply a USB port embedded in an eSATA port, allowing you to plug in either (but not both) types of devices. IANAL but it seems like this patent will (or more properly, should) fail on two counts: 1. Obvious. The given example of SD+USB is good enough. Remove one side of the USB socket and an equal sized hole in one side of an SD socket, and glue them together. Done. 2. Prior art. eSATAp is one example. So are combo RJ11/RJ45 jacks, and pretty much every 'N-in-1 USB card reader' that has combined e.g. SD+xD into a single slot. The little USB stick multi-readers combine them all into a single 'socket'.

  43. They should team up with Monster by istartedi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Bits coming through the cable would sound warmer.

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  44. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by phayes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You'd actually have a point if you could plug SD cards into eSATAp ports. The difference in function & design is what renders this patent valid.

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  45. Play on an old joke by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    A man who was line-camping for the new iPhone is first into the first store stocking the item. He's there even before the employees.

    The Apple Genius shows up looking rushed with a large white suitcase and says "Sorry to disappoint you, but we only have one iPhone to sell today due to the number of them that were pre-ordered online. So you there, first in the line, come with me." He opens the store and gets behind the counter, the man in the line walks up to the counter ready to receive his new phone.

    The Genius pulls a small, sleek black box from behind the counter and hands it to the man. The man runs towards the door and is almost out when he notices the Genius running after him dragging the big suitcase he came in with, yelling:

    Wait! You forgot the cables!

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  46. Sounds like a lot of "me too" going on here by erroneus · · Score: 1

    1. Everyone knows that it's not really invented unless Apple invents it. When Apple does it, it's a "Coolvention."
    2. All these "pre-existing" devices should expect letters from Apple's lawyers in a short while.

    Okay, with my attempt a mild humor failing so badly, I have to wonder why they are bothering with wires at all. Seems to me, with all this inductive charging and what-not, seems to me various signals could be crammed into a single point of inductive charging. Headphones should be bluetooth. Everything should be contactless. Fewer things to break. I essentially operate this way now with my Nexus 4. Since it has built-in Qi inductive charging, I do all my phone I/O over WiFi.

  47. Re:Bob Saget by operagost · · Score: 1

    They like Bob Saget even less than they like me...

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  48. One more port by phorm · · Score: 1

    So basically, adding USB to the multi-card slots that already exist on most laptops.
    Laptops of Yore would do SD, Memory-Stick, XD, and often CF, etc.

  49. Even Apple Already Does This by Moridineas · · Score: 1

    I'd be shocked if there isn't clear prior art for the patent as written.

    Slightly different, but I think dating even back to the PowerBook days, many Apple laptops have a combined headphone jack (3.5mm) / toslink port. Plug in headphones, they work fine. Plug in an optical audio cable, it works fine.

    1. Re:Even Apple Already Does This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be shocked if there isn't clear prior art for the patent as written.

      Slightly different, but I think dating even back to the PowerBook days, many Apple laptops have a combined headphone jack (3.5mm) / toslink port. Plug in headphones, they work fine. Plug in an optical audio cable, it works fine.

      And if Apple were applying for a new patent on a port that allows you to either plug in a headphone jack or an optical audio cable, perhaps prior art would apply. Contrary to popular belief, the title of a patent is not actually the same as the scope or claims of the patent. Apple is not claiming all implementations of any possible multifunctional input port. They are claiming the specific ports described in the patent, implemented by the means described. In this case, a port that accepts both USB and memory card in the same housing, which as far as anyone seems to know hasn't been done. The fact that someone else in the past implemented or patented a specific case of a multifunctional port doesn't actually serve as prior art for all subsequent implementations of all possible multifunctional ports. Even if you allow that the idea of a single port that could accept both USB and memory card is obvious (which I don't necessarily), the way that you would actually implement that idea to design and fabricate one of these doodads may not be immediately obvious, even to one "skilled in the art."

  50. Re:not really innovative but not proprietary eithe by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 1

    And hopefully an indicator that the next iPhone/ iPad will not only allow SD cards but also use a non-proprietary USB3 cable.

    Well, I can dream, can't I?

  51. Re:Bob Saget by twmcneil · · Score: 1

    "The Aristocrats!"

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  52. Marketing++; User Experience-- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our new laptop is super slim and has USB3, eSATA, HDMI, firewire, SD card, CF, SIM, HDMI, VGA, headphone, speaker, modem, power, and ethernet ports.* Enjoy more connectivity than any other device.

    *Only one port may be used at a time.

  53. Adaptors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now if only it could make toast too.

  54. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The difference is that you have to pay Apple $5 for a license.

    This is a port that receives either of two standard connectors. Neither connector requires a license to Apple. Nobody has to pay Apple anything (unless you're buying a computer from them.)

    How the hell does this get modded insightful? Mindless Apple hate.

  55. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by Above · · Score: 1

    I want to point out, the patent goes to some lengths to try and patent the generic concept. The USB-or-SD card example in the patent comes with this disclaimer:

    The foregoing description has broad application. For example, while examples disclosed herein may focus on an input port for receiving a USB plug and a SD card, it should be appreciated that the concepts disclosed herein may equally apply to connectors and plugs. Similarly, although the input port may be discussed with respect to a computer, the devices and techniques disclosed herein are equally applicable to any type of device including an external connector for transferring data and/or power.

    I'm not a patent lawyer to know if in the rest of the description they have narrowed it in some way, but I suspect if they really want to make it that broad there are a few examples of prior art out there to be found. As for obviousness, I can think of a ton of things it would physically trivial to construct. How about a power socket with an RJ11 to plug in your phone between the pins? Or how about a ethernet (pins up) / Compact Flash (pins back) jack? All you need is two physical designs that don't interfere with each other when overlaid.

  56. Hell, Apple breaks their OWN standards by alispguru · · Score: 1

    The MacBook Air got so thin that it couldn't take the MagSafe charger cable from the rest of the portable line. It now has a slightly thinner version called MagSafe2, and yes you can get an adapter for your older power bricks - it's $10.

    In their defense, Apple is doing what the market tells them to. Every time they take a current design and make it smaller/thinner/lighter, people line up to buy it.

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  57. Failure to read at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Right, but the patent was filed in 2011, when the obvious prior art (eSATAp, which combines eSATA and USB ports in a seemingly identical fashion to that described in the patent) has been around since 2008.

    There's nothing wrong with what Apple wants to do with ports. In fact, I think it's a great way to expand connectivity on laptops with minimal space for ports. I've got a Macbook Air that would benefit greatly from this. But there's no justification for trying to patent an idea that has been shipping in laptops for years prior.

    Except this patent is for a specific combination (USB+SD card), not the general concept of n-in-one ports. In fact, it's for a specific physical configuration of the contacts and guides that allows for the combination of USB and SD card. It is not an attempt to "patent an idea" of any kind. It's a patent for a specific implementation.

    1. Re:Failure to read at all. by Guspaz · · Score: 2

      That's a strange accusation to make considering the patent explicitly states that the USB/SD combo is only an example of the general concept, and that the patent covers any such combination. I specifically point you to paragraph 54 of the actual patent, which directly contradicts everything you just wrote.

    2. Re:Failure to read at all. by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      That paragraph from the specification isn't necessarily binding, though. What matters is the claims. In the version of the claims you can see now, though, Claim 1 doesn't say anything about the type of connector, while Claim 2 specifies that it's USB and a memory card. In theory, Claim 1 could be rejected by the USPTO and Claim 2 could be allowed, which then would restrict it to that specific combination. I doubt that will happen, but it's theoretically possible.

  58. Counter-Patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going to file a patent on a proprietary connector with the same physical shape, but mine has 30V pins where Apple has data input pins.

  59. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by Guspaz · · Score: 1

    The patent purports to cover any such combination (see paragraph 54 of the patent), not just USB/SD.

  60. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That could very well be true if Apple applied for a _design_patent_. Making a combination port is a fairly mechanical work (try to fit the required contacts so that two or more plugs can be inserted relatively securely) and doing that work is not only obvious to anyone doing connectors, it simply can't be shown to have the creativity required for a "proper" patent as per the patent rules.
    There are lots of combination connectors on the market (either custom or OEM) but how many of those are patented?

  61. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by Guspaz · · Score: 1

    I agree with you that the patent is being intentionally broad (and as such is going to hit prior art), but your examples seem a bit different. Gluing multiple connectors together (the RJ11/power example) or using a single connector with pins in different locations (ethernet/CF) is not quite the same as a port that can accept multiple physically different and otherwise unrelated connectors in the same socket.

    DisplayPort, for example, can act as a single-link DVI port. With a passive adapter, the DP host sends DVI signals out over the pins, repurposing them (it can't do dual-link DVI because there aren't enough pins). But that's not the same as if somebody somehow designed a port that you could plug a DVI and DisplayPort connector to directly. I don't think such a thing would be possible (the ports are too different in size), but you get the idea.

  62. technically it's many kinds of combo ports by Chirs · · Score: 2

    The application says that USB/SD is one example but that it could apply to many others as well:

    "The foregoing description has broad application. For example, while examples disclosed herein may focus on an input port for receiving a USB plug and a SD card, it should be appreciated that the concepts disclosed herein may equally apply to connectors and plugs. Similarly, although the input port may be discussed with respect to a computer, the devices and techniques disclosed herein are equally applicable to any type of device including an external connector for transferring data and/or power."

    1. Re:technically it's many kinds of combo ports by phayes · · Score: 1

      Lol, trust the lawyers to make the language as incomprehensible and as widely applicable as possible. Thanks for the correction

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  63. HP touchpad wireless charging is fine by Chirs · · Score: 1

    I've had no problems with wireless charging on my touchpad.

    1. Re:HP touchpad wireless charging is fine by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Does it take longer and more energy to wirelessly charge your device? If you can accept that trade-off that's fine. I don't think it is mature yet for most consumers.

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  64. Trivial and non-unique by edibobb · · Score: 0

    Since it is trivial and non-unique, the USPTO will undoubtedly approve.

  65. would hate to have no connectors by Chirs · · Score: 2

    Personally I *like* having wired connections for charging, plugging in video out, plugging in headphones, etc.

    There are basically no high-quality bluetooth headphones for listening to music, and can you imagine how long it'll take before every single monitor/tv out there can accept wireless video signals? Also, if you have inductive charging as your only option it immediately makes all of the aftermarket usb chargers useless.

    Now I *would* appreciate ports with waterproof covers/plugs.

  66. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by Above · · Score: 2

    Actually, I think the ethernet/CF idea is spot on Apple's diagram in this patent. You'll notice they use two sets of contacts, one for SD, one for USB. In Apple's case they are at different depths, the SD card slides in further by the physical shape of the connector, hitting the deeper contacts.

    Display Port is a bad example because it's one physical port that does two things electrically. Those headphone / AV out jacks on things like camcorders would would be another example. Those concepts are based on taking one physical form factor and doing two electrical things.

    My Universal power strip idea is a bad example because it's multiple physical port types, but they all access the same thing, so there's no electrical difference.

    But the Ethernet/CF idea is darn similar, take two physical ports and just find a way to physically overlay them in less space.

  67. Obvious given eSATAp by tepples · · Score: 1

    And how is any of these prior art for a combined USB and SD card reader?

    I think it'd be obvious given eSATAp, another combined USB and storage connector.

  68. Legacy Support by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    What would be really useful is a single port that combined:

    USB (all flavors)
    SDCard
    iPod30PinConnector
    Thunderbolt

    This would provide excellent backward compatibility. It's a shame each time they upgrade the connector to have to throw away your external devices (e.g., BMW car).

    Apple could do a LOT better at legacy support.

    1. Re:Legacy Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple doesn't want to do legacy support at all. (Honestly, who does? But Apple can get away with it so far.)

      Regardless, despite my Mercedes-Benzes being designed with the iPhone 4 in mind, I haven't had any problems with the 5. MB is supposedly working on a new cable (which I can swap out very easily), but if they've done it, I can't find it. But a 30-pin to lightning adaptor cable works great. (And there is also a standard USB port, which so far seems to do everything the proprietary port does.)

      I know some in some cars the cable is affixed a bit more permanently, but again, the adaptor cable should work fine...

  69. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

    I'm not a patent lawyer to know if in the rest of the description they have narrowed it in some way

    Here's a key thing to remember, which most people posting on Slashdot fail to do: the important bit is the claims. For example, Claim 1 does not mention USB, SD cards, or any other specific connector, so it isn't limited to specific connectors.

  70. SD and eSATA are storage connectors by tepples · · Score: 1

    SD is a storage connector, and eSATA is a storage connector. How does s/eSATA/SD/g pass the obviousness test?

    1. Re:SD and eSATA are storage connectors by phayes · · Score: 1

      Had Apple tried to patent eSATAp, you'd have a point. As eSATAp != USB/SD, you're making noise but no sense.

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  71. Apple TV by tepples · · Score: 1

    can you imagine how long it'll take before every single monitor/tv out there can accept wireless video signals?

    How long does it take for every TV with an HDMI input to accept AirPlay signals? About as long as it takes to ship an Apple TV to your door.

    1. Re: Apple TV by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      For some of us, in other words, forever.

      Yeah, I know: hate. It could never be anything less. Nothing terrifies marketing types more than bland indifference.

  72. Duo, Newton, Pippin by tepples · · Score: 1

    to the best of my recollection, not counting power connectors or internal card slots, Apple products have used only four truly proprietary ports in its entire history: the two iPhone dock connectors [and external storage and video connectors for various laptops].

    Did you forget the Newton MessagePad 2000 dock connector or the AppleJack controller port for the Pippin console? And was the DuoDock connector on the PowerBook Duo subnotebooks proprietary?

    1. Re:Duo, Newton, Pippin by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      In order:

      • Yes, I forgot the Newton dock connector.
      • Apple never actually sold Pippin hardware; it just licensed the design to other manufacturers.
      • I have no idea what sort of connector the Duo used for its dock, but it probably was proprietary.

      Either way, the main point I was trying to make is that with the exception of iOS devices and power cords, the last time Apple used a truly proprietary connector (as in, designed by Apple and exclusive to Apple devices) was some time around the mid-1990s, unless I'm deliberately repressing something. ;-)

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    2. Re: Duo, Newton, Pippin by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The Newton never existed.

      (if your memory hole is on the blink, just call Central Services)

  73. Re:not really innovative but not proprietary eithe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why would you need usb3 on your iphone? is there any reason to connect it for data transfer anymore? if you just want standardized charging cables, buy a lightning-to-miniusb connector.

  74. Apple's Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple,

    You have already done this before.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Display_Connector

    It resulted in a bunch of useless G4's and 23" monitors where I work. Thanks a lot!

    Sincerely,

    Former Apple Customer

  75. FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Normally i don't like government involvement in the market place, but this is one of those times. They should step in and mandate generic and compatible connectors across all devices.

    Proprietary connectors are just a way to screw the consumers.

  76. I did a quick scan through... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of the slashdot comments, and didn't see it posted already - my apologies if it has been.

    http://xkcd.com/927/

    Unless I missed the point of this new port?

  77. combo eSATA/USB2/USB3 is old already... by amigabill · · Score: 1

    A year or two ago I bought some combination eSATA/USB2/USB3 connectors for a potential project. Pretty neat.

    http://www.delock.de/produkte/G_65285/merkmale.html
    http://delock.tragant.com.tw/index.php?p=3&prono=65285

    And of course the more common eSATA/USB2 connector
    http://portal.fciconnect.com/Comergent//fci/drawing/10074703.pdf

    There have also been a number of combo flash card readers, where a single slot take an XD or an SD or a... card.

    I don't get this...

  78. Yo Dawg by Tarlus · · Score: 0

    We heard you like ports, so we're putting ports in your ports.

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  79. Re:Filing doesn't mean getting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These proprietary ports that change each generation are why we no longer buy Apple. Why do people keep buying this kind of garbage?

    Maybe because the ports don't actually change each generation, not even the proprietary ones? And I'm calling you out on this "we" business -- pretty sure you're speaking for yourself, and you never bought any Apple products in the first place. Because you irrationally hate them. Which is how you've managed to work yourself up into believing and repeating silly lies like this one.

  80. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Hmm. I thought Apple was against the whole concept of users being able to insert sd cards in their trendy white appliances. I guess Jobs really is dead.

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  81. PCI-express or jackplugs anyone ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I seem to remember that PCI-Express had (and ofcourse has) connections on two different "depths" inside its bus-connector (easy to spot when looking at PCI_Express cards).

    The only difference is to regard the contacts on those different "depths" as seperate connectors. I would call that "quite obvious" ...

    Ofcourse, a simple "jack" style plug (from the well-known headphones that later combined with microphones and switches using 2, 3, 4 and more-rings) do, in effect, the very same.

    Old stuff regurgitated ? I surely do think so.

  82. Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Combination XLR and 1/4 mic jack on nearly all PA speakers http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=092-045

  83. Re:Filing doesn't mean getting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before the "HD Video" connector, there was the DB-15 analog video connector they used, though that was a proprietary pinout for an industry standard connector shell so I guess you're not counting it?

    They also did a custom video connector much more recently, the Apple Display Connector. It was in essence DVI plus more features, most notably power, but it wasn't just a pinout change -- the connector shell was mechanically incompatible with standard DVI.

  84. i can't believe it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news: new grass blade pops up green!

  85. Sounds a lot like eSATAp. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Introduced 2008. I don't know how long it was in development before commericial introduction.

  86. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by sessamoid · · Score: 1

    Hmm. I thought Apple was against the whole concept of users being able to insert sd cards in their trendy white appliances. I guess Jobs really is dead.

    Hmm... I must be imagining the SD card slot on my 4 year old MacBook Pro, then.

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  87. sad state of patents... by mevets · · Score: 1

    Ignoring the relative merits of the application, the background section, a whopping 8 sentences contained this gem: ...thus loosing additional connectivity.
    It is insulting when the assholes running roughshod over what was a well intentioned process will not even maintain the appearance of earnestness.

  88. dongles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple should patent a way of connecting two male plugs together. Their ceo could spear head the idea.

  89. Re: not really innovative but not proprietary eith by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Even Google won't provide an sd slot on their Google branded mobile hardware (use the cloud, you sheep!)

    Of course nearly every other vendor that bundles Android with a mobile device does. Some, I.e. Acer on their Iconia tablets, even include a USB host connector.

  90. Re: Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable line by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    It's ok so long as it's not a device restricted to only content from iTunes.

  91. interfaces by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Connectors are interfaces. I am convinced an interface should not be patentable (nor protected by any IP). whether it is a physical connector, or a software API.

  92. Adapters by formfeed · · Score: 1

    Oh, fuck.

    bad enough every video cable is an adapter, now what, more? [groans]

    Yes!
    Let's not confuse multi-port with adapter.

    Multi-port:
    My prior art, the earphone-mains combo.

    Adapter:
    Something like the Ether Killer.

  93. Re:This will surely endear the public once more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you can already buy SD cards and usb cables.

  94. Claim 2 is USB + memory by tepples · · Score: 1

    I made my comment based solely on the patent's claims. A lot of other users appear to have got hung up on parts of the description of the invention, but the claims are the only part of any patent that has legal force, not the description. Claim 1 appears general enough to cover any pair of connectors like this. Claim 2, a dependent claim, names both USB and memory, making no specific reference to the MultiMediaCard or Secure Digital specification.

  95. Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every breakout cable that has ever existed up this point? soon they will patent water distribution using"Pipes" that are connected through a joining processes involving a solvent, a solder or specific machined interface which can be engaged by putting the two ends together and twisting until a satisfactory bond has been achieved.

  96. Re:Filing doesn't mean getting by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    Before the "HD Video" connector, there was the DB-15 analog video connector they used, though that was a proprietary pinout for an industry standard connector shell so I guess you're not counting it?

    In much the same way that I'm not counting the mini-DIN-8 that they used for serial ports. Standard connector, trivially adapted.

    They also did a custom video connector much more recently, the Apple Display Connector.

    Oh, yeah. I forgot about that one. Still ancient history, but slightly less ancient. ;-)

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  97. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Ah, ok, laptops. For a second there I thought we were talking about ipads. Upon reflection, that sounds silly. Replaceable memory in a non-laptop appliance... Jobs hasn't been dead *that* long.

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  98. Re: Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable line by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    It's ok so long as it's not a device restricted to only content from iTunes.

    Understood. Which includes basically any appliance that isn't a laptop. So this SD card thingy is for laptops only. Got it.

    Parenthetically, this DRM-enforcement-by-forbidding-replaceable-storage thing was so last decade, with DRM-unencumbered music available from so many sources, including itunes. The storage-restricted business model is getting a bit old in the tooth.

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  99. Re:Not a "proprietary port", no "Apple cable lineu by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    As to the merits, it seems to me like there is probably prior art, and it may also fail the obviousness test.

    Everything is obvious, once someone else has done it. Laptop power adapters that attach and release magnetically, saving your computer from your clumsiness/kids/cats, are totally obvious. But it took someone 20+ years to actually do it...