Yea.. 34 comments in this thread alone within 1hr 47mins or so.. that's one every 3 minutes (less than 3 minutes actually)!.. crazy if it's just one person!
They seem to write the same style, which suggests it IS one person... jeez..
Maybe there's only one person that has anything to say about BeOS..
Then what's all this 'Who rocks OpenGL? BeOS rocks OpenGL. Go see at BeNews' bollocks in your.sig then?... you seem to be pretty hyper-active on this thread jumping up and down about how wonderful BeOS is if this 'isn't a rigorous evaluation'..
Face it, everyone plays the spin game when it suits them. I agree wholeheartedly with keaaw that these benchmark things unless performed at your mates house with *known* hardware and software should be taken with a large pile of salt.
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Yea, I thought we'd moved on from using flat-blade screwdrivers as kernel upgraders (Ah yes, those little Kickstart DIPs were cute... 'ping' you're outta there!).. hopefully you can just re-flash the bios from a diskette with a new kernel on (BIOS 1MB, disk 1.44MB?...44MB for 'installer'.. ) similar to how people reflash their bios today.:>
Of course if it goes wrong, you're SCREWED:)
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I think he meant that dual-booters often require to have to reboot to use the toyOS that is windows because lots of nice games only run under it (at the moment):)
There's a few ways around it of course... get one machine for each OS you plan to use and/or try and get games running under Linux.
Fast booting is great regardless of that though:) --
Yea.. and the colour count (for the gamma 1.8 image) is 256.. lotsa colours.. browns and blues.. hmm.. very nice.. The regular antialiased version was just greyscale.
Looks totally pointless on my CRT though but I guess that's the point as it 'needs' an LCD.
Oh well, at least it will keep the baby-bills busy. --
Hopefully just so you can throw shit at it... $100/month is selling yourself way short..:> --
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If people want windows on their machine, then you factor in the purchase of the full retail version of the OS and tell them about it. They get the CD that way to do with what they want, none of this OEM restore disc bullshit. If they want to save themselves the Microsoft tax then that's their right to do so. My small computer building and on-site pc repair side-business will operate like that (when I get my disclaimer et al checked by a lawyer:>). I'm really just doing it for a hobby though as I like playing with computers and if people need help in the area I'm happy to provide it. If the business was my livelyhood I might feel unhappy about it, yes.. --
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Yea, but imagine an AC then posts something about Big Company, or even imagine if that person is employed by Big Company and is speaking out about some horrible thing they do there. Upon sight of the offending comment. Big Company comes along with a fleet of lawyers and demands that/. reveal who it was that posted said comment. Imagine the scenario of the Microsoft Kerberos posts a while back if all AC's were disclosed by/... I doubt we'd be using/. if that were he case...
If a person who was new to the site needed to speak out or just offer an opinion.. rare, but it has happened.. then only allowing higher karma posters to post anonymously would hinder that greatly.
I don't have a good solution to the problem unfortunately.. I've thought of the same things you have and also thought of the down sides too.
It's not an easy problem to solve else it would have been solved years ago:)
I agree!.. RMS's idea does look very good.. From the date of his writing though (last year!) I would have thought it would have been brought to the attention of Judge Jackson by now.
I wouldn't mind seeing them split AND having what RMS said imposed on them too. It would make for a MUCH more level playing field.
We might start seeing printer drivers for Linux etc. so we can do trivial things like print web pages from Netscape etc..:>.. something I can't wait for. --
Ah.. thankyou!.. after trying to get there for ages I still had no luck. I should have looked down this article earlier:D
It looks SOO much like an Amiga screenshot it's not even funny. As someone said earlier it looks like BeOS with the Amiga window settings enabled. I have to agree.
One of the screenshots is running ASpringies!.. I had that on my Amiga!!... I love XSpringies/ASpringies... great fun. That was the first UNIX program I really played with I think.. on an HP system.
Makes me think of my old 1200 that I don't use any more and is an ocean away now (I emigrated to the USA from England). Oh well.. times move on I guess:).. much nicer looking screenshots than my old 1200 could ever manage (640x512 was about as high as I ever ran it):D
Maybe I'll have to try Atheos.. I've not tried BeOS though, maybe I will have to try that as well when I have more machines available.
Could it be even simpler though... that the US is afraid of losing $$ if China goes to trade with someone else if the US says 'No' to free trade with China?
I think so.
The almighty buck is what drives things really.. censorship and how people feel about operating systems is just smoke. There's lots of bluster about censorship being bad but nothing really comes of it in the end.
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Oooer... I posted my comment as a reply to #139.. but instead it's been made a child under #58...
Odd. Most odd.. is it because we're getting too far to the right margin?... it's not even displayed under that comment which is weird.. --
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6.1??.. that's pretty damn recent.. I tried the same test on my originally 5.1 box at home and that one is a shell script. My 6.1 machine at work has a binary for/bin/true.
The versions of sh-utils involved:
5.2 machine: rpm -q sh-utils sh-utils-1.16-14
6.1 machine: rpm -q sh-utils sh-utils-2.0-1
Looks like there's our problem:)
Not that I really CARE that much, but it's nice to sort things out.
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Re:ERmmm... make that 'kuro5hined' before ...
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Heh.. sorry dude:).. I guess we're all just eager to see what it is. What you 'did to deserve it' is make people (/.ers and kuro5hiners) interested in your site, obviously.:>
Better this way than people just not being interested though:)
What is the server hardware out of curiosity and what's the outgoing bandwidth of the site?
I'm looking forward to looking at the site.. maybe by Sunday... --
I saw this story about a 'programming boot-camp' called Drop and Code me Twenty linked from the Space Shuttle software article and there's the lovely bit where they purposely try to overstress the programmers on the course to see how they react. "These guys pushed back hard," says TeamworX's John Rae-Grant. "It was great."
I wish we could all do that when the management trolls figure that something can be done in X days without talking to the programmers actually doing the work..
There's that thing called a paycheck though, that tends to curb people's unwillingness to have to rush to do things because management fucked up AGAIN:/
Formal methods are also incredibly complex for any nontrivial program.
Absofrigginlutely.. I studied formal methods in my degree course too.. Z specs and stuff. I understood its purpose, to verify correctness of a system. I think even the professor teaching it admitted that for anything real the amount of proof required would be *immense*. The professor was a very 'academic' professor - a very smart guy - you couldn't help think though that the stuff that was taught was only ever going to be useful in academia. I think he despised the real world for not being easy to define:)
I do remember hearing though that there was a program somewhere to turn Z specs (formal specification method) into C code.. although I never did use it. Anyone else remember/hear of that or better yet actually use it on something? The idea being that you do the proof and feed it through the 'thingo' and it churned out C code.
Send them some POLITE but to-the-point messages explaining how upset you are with them as a company. Taking business elsewhere is always a scare for businesses.
I don't know why that defense couldn't be used for the Dialectizer then.. it merely reads and 'routes' the page to the user and filters it on the fly. It doesn't store the data for any length of time either.
IANAL.. but that AND the parody fair-use defense I think would mean that any sentient judge would cause the case to dismissed with prejudice. Once the precedent for companies to think before they get the lawyers out is set, the better.
Of course Qt is available for Win32. Is that why you love it so?
God you sound so childish with that comment.. Why the hell not have Linux AND Windows using applications that use the same toolkit? That way you can work towards platform independance. Linux apps will never over-night gain more market share than Windows apps - but an application that supports BOTH platforms and behaves the same might have a very good chance of succeeding.
Your 'I don't wanna share my toys' attitude could well hold Linux application development back, as well as giving Linux users a bad name.
Qt being not totally free (free for use, not for commercial products without license IIRC) is a valid point.. but don't bitch about things being bad if they work on different platforms.
Yea.. it sure does! Also provokes a swearing response and a tendency to scream if something important is being worked on.. well, it does from me as it's FAR too frequent with my machine running Nice Try SP6.. i.e. it actually happens. Only time I saw Linux kernel panic was when I had a machine with a dodgy simm socket and half the machine's memory just 'disappeared'.. kinda understanding it would get upset..
Heh... I've joked that it might have been the RIAA too as it went after mp3s... it does though just set them 'hidden' (a quick change to 'show all files' will make things become clear).. so all that's needed is to set them unhidden to reverse the 'damage'.. the.mp3.vbs files can be deleted.. jpeg files and many script types are beyond help though and need to be deleted.
Basically deleting anything *.vbs seems like a safe idea.
I also found that jpeg files that happened to have been set read-only were not overwritten by the virus... so everyone set your non-changing files read-only!:)
Yup.. I'd have to agree if you want to have develop something quickly. I've made shell script CGIs as well as C programs. I wrote a shell script that I rewrote later as C and unsuprisingly it was monsterously faster than the shell script, but it was a script that needed to loop and read files so it's not suprising.
Depends what you're doing and as an earlier poster (futher down the page) mentioned.. best do some research to find what will do what you want.
PHP3 is nice for dynamic pages though.. if that's what you plan to do...
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you left out 'assasination' .. that's always a good one..
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Yea.. 34 comments in this thread alone within 1hr 47mins or so .. that's one every 3 minutes (less than 3 minutes actually)! .. crazy if it's just one person!
..
They seem to write the same style, which suggests it IS one person... jeez..
Maybe there's only one person that has anything to say about BeOS
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Then what's all this 'Who rocks OpenGL? BeOS rocks OpenGL. Go see at BeNews' bollocks in your .sig then? ... you seem to be pretty hyper-active on this thread jumping up and down about how wonderful BeOS is if this 'isn't a rigorous evaluation' ..
Face it, everyone plays the spin game when it suits them. I agree wholeheartedly with keaaw that these benchmark things unless performed at your mates house with *known* hardware and software should be taken with a large pile of salt.
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Yea, I thought we'd moved on from using flat-blade screwdrivers as kernel upgraders (Ah yes, those little Kickstart DIPs were cute ... 'ping' you're outta there!) .. hopefully you can just re-flash the bios from a diskette with a new kernel on (BIOS 1MB, disk 1.44MB? .. .44MB for 'installer' .. ) similar to how people reflash their bios today. :>
:)
Of course if it goes wrong, you're SCREWED
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I think he meant that dual-booters often require to have to reboot to use the toyOS that is windows because lots of nice games only run under it (at the moment) :)
... get one machine for each OS you plan to use and/or try and get games running under Linux.
:)
There's a few ways around it of course
Fast booting is great regardless of that though
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This is truly revolutionary," says MacRae, who is writing a book on such research, which he calls "the quest for super vision."
.. I thought most people had some sort of supervision..
Supervision, eh?
I know I am supervised..
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Yea.. and the colour count (for the gamma 1.8 image) is 256.. lotsa colours .. browns and blues.. hmm.. very nice.. The regular antialiased version was just greyscale.
Looks totally pointless on my CRT though but I guess that's the point as it 'needs' an LCD.
Oh well, at least it will keep the baby-bills busy.
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Hopefully just so you can throw shit at it... $100/month is selling yourself way short.. :>
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If people want windows on their machine, then you factor in the purchase of the full retail version of the OS and tell them about it. They get the CD that way to do with what they want, none of this OEM restore disc bullshit. If they want to save themselves the Microsoft tax then that's their right to do so. My small computer building and on-site pc repair side-business will operate like that (when I get my disclaimer et al checked by a lawyer :>). I'm really just doing it for a hobby though as I like playing with computers and if people need help in the area I'm happy to provide it. If the business was my livelyhood I might feel unhappy about it, yes..
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Yea, but imagine an AC then posts something about Big Company, or even imagine if that person is employed by Big Company and is speaking out about some horrible thing they do there. Upon sight of the offending comment. Big Company comes along with a fleet of lawyers and demands that /. reveal who it was that posted said comment. Imagine the scenario of the Microsoft Kerberos posts a while back if all AC's were disclosed by /. .. I doubt we'd be using /. if that were he case...
.. rare, but it has happened .. then only allowing higher karma posters to post anonymously would hinder that greatly.
:)
If a person who was new to the site needed to speak out or just offer an opinion
I don't have a good solution to the problem unfortunately.. I've thought of the same things you have and also thought of the down sides too.
It's not an easy problem to solve else it would have been solved years ago
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I agree! .. RMS's idea does look very good.. From the date of his writing though (last year!) I would have thought it would have been brought to the attention of Judge Jackson by now.
:> .. something I can't wait for.
I wouldn't mind seeing them split AND having what RMS said imposed on them too. It would make for a MUCH more level playing field.
We might start seeing printer drivers for Linux etc. so we can do trivial things like print web pages from Netscape etc..
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Ah.. thankyou! .. after trying to get there for ages I still had no luck. I should have looked down this article earlier :D
.. I had that on my Amiga!! ... I love XSpringies/ASpringies... great fun. That was the first UNIX program I really played with I think.. on an HP system.
:) .. much nicer looking screenshots than my old 1200 could ever manage (640x512 was about as high as I ever ran it) :D
It looks SOO much like an Amiga screenshot it's not even funny. As someone said earlier it looks like BeOS with the Amiga window settings enabled. I have to agree.
One of the screenshots is running ASpringies!
Makes me think of my old 1200 that I don't use any more and is an ocean away now (I emigrated to the USA from England). Oh well.. times move on I guess
Maybe I'll have to try Atheos.. I've not tried BeOS though, maybe I will have to try that as well when I have more machines available.
Man, I'm babbling..
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Could it be even simpler though ...
that the US is afraid of losing $$ if China goes to trade with someone else if the US says 'No' to free trade with China?
I think so.
The almighty buck is what drives things really.. censorship and how people feel about operating systems is just smoke. There's lots of bluster about censorship being bad but nothing really comes of it in the end.
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Oooer... I posted my comment as a reply to #139 .. but instead it's been made a child under #58 ...
Odd. Most odd.. is it because we're getting too far to the right margin?... it's not even displayed under that comment which is weird..
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6.1?? .. that's pretty damn recent.. I tried the same test on my originally 5.1 box at home and that one is a shell script. My 6.1 machine at work has a binary for /bin/true.
:)
The versions of sh-utils involved:
5.2 machine: rpm -q sh-utils
sh-utils-1.16-14
6.1 machine: rpm -q sh-utils
sh-utils-2.0-1
Looks like there's our problem
Not that I really CARE that much, but it's nice to sort things out.
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Heh.. sorry dude
Better this way than people just not being interested though
What is the server hardware out of curiosity and what's the outgoing bandwidth of the site?
I'm looking forward to looking at the site.. maybe by Sunday...
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.. that PII Xeons can come down even further in price now? .. Be quite nice that. :)
.. one site says $135.. hmmm...
Although looking at Pricewatch says that PII Xeon 400s with 1MB are down around $180
*rubs hands*
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I saw this story about a 'programming boot-camp' called Drop and Code me Twenty linked from the Space Shuttle software article and there's the lovely bit where they purposely try to overstress the programmers on the course to see how they react.
:/
"These guys pushed back hard," says TeamworX's John Rae-Grant. "It was great."
I wish we could all do that when the management trolls figure that something can be done in X days without talking to the programmers actually doing the work..
There's that thing called a paycheck though, that tends to curb people's unwillingness to have to rush to do things because management fucked up AGAIN
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Formal methods are also incredibly complex for any nontrivial program.
.. I studied formal methods in my degree course too.. Z specs and stuff. I understood its purpose, to verify correctness of a system. I think even the professor teaching it admitted that for anything real the amount of proof required would be *immense*. The professor was a very 'academic' professor - a very smart guy - you couldn't help think though that the stuff that was taught was only ever going to be useful in academia. I think he despised the real world for not being easy to define :)
Absofrigginlutely
I do remember hearing though that there was a program somewhere to turn Z specs (formal specification method) into C code.. although I never did use it. Anyone else remember/hear of that or better yet actually use it on something?
The idea being that you do the proof and feed it through the 'thingo' and it churned out C code.
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Send them some POLITE but to-the-point messages explaining how upset you are with them as a company. Taking business elsewhere is always a scare for businesses.
.. blind flaming accomplishes nothing, but sensibly made points made by 1000s of unhappy people might.
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I don't know why that defense couldn't be used for the Dialectizer then .. it merely reads and 'routes' the page to the user and filters it on the fly. It doesn't store the data for any length of time either.
.. but that AND the parody fair-use defense I think would mean that any sentient judge would cause the case to dismissed with prejudice. Once the precedent for companies to think before they get the lawyers out is set, the better.
IANAL
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Of course Qt is available for Win32. Is that why you love it so?
God you sound so childish with that comment.. Why the hell not have Linux AND Windows using applications that use the same toolkit? That way you can work towards platform independance. Linux apps will never over-night gain more market share than Windows apps - but an application that supports BOTH platforms and behaves the same might have a very good chance of succeeding.
Your 'I don't wanna share my toys' attitude could well hold Linux application development back, as well as giving Linux users a bad name.
Qt being not totally free (free for use, not for commercial products without license IIRC) is a valid point.. but don't bitch about things being bad if they work on different platforms.
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Yea.. it sure does! Also provokes a swearing response and a tendency to scream if something important is being worked on .. well, it does from me as it's FAR too frequent with my machine running Nice Try SP6 .. i.e. it actually happens. Only time I saw Linux kernel panic was when I had a machine with a dodgy simm socket and half the machine's memory just 'disappeared'.. kinda understanding it would get upset..
Anyway.. I digress.
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Heh... I've joked that it might have been the RIAA too as it went after mp3s ... it does though just set them 'hidden' (a quick change to 'show all files' will make things become clear) .. so all that's needed is to set them unhidden to reverse the 'damage' .. the .mp3.vbs files can be deleted .. jpeg files and many script types are beyond help though and need to be deleted.
... so everyone set your non-changing files read-only! :)
Basically deleting anything *.vbs seems like a safe idea.
I also found that jpeg files that happened to have been set read-only were not overwritten by the virus
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Yup.. I'd have to agree if you want to have develop something quickly. I've made shell script CGIs as well as C programs. I wrote a shell script that I rewrote later as C and unsuprisingly it was monsterously faster than the shell script, but it was a script that needed to loop and read files so it's not suprising.
.. best do some research to find what will do what you want.
Depends what you're doing and as an earlier poster (futher down the page) mentioned
PHP3 is nice for dynamic pages though.. if that's what you plan to do...
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