We're already here essentially at standard PCB sizes, and very close for chips. At C (which electrical signals don't get to), you're pretty limited. This doesn't even account for things like rise-time, frequency dependent effects on resistance/capacitance, etc. For lots of grimy details: Modeling of semiconducter Interconnects . Full disclosure, I went to RPI, but this just happened to be the first paper I googled.
Clock regeneration works for chip-to-chip or device-to-device clocking, but those clocks also usually aren't run as fast as dedicated on-die chip clocks (note: this is the difference between bus clocks and chip clocks on modern motherboards). When you have complete control of your clock tree on a single device, it's laid out so that it is as balanced as possible from the source. i.e. the routing delays are the same to every device the clock is interacting with, this is a balanced clock tree.
As clock frequencies go up and feature sizes shrink, we'll see more asynchronous independent sub-system on the same chip. But it's a hard problem, with lots of compromises, and that asynchronous circuitry takes up space and power. And even if the transistor can switch fast enough, a digital signal has rise time, settling time, etc. that all need to be accounted for and affect the design. At the frequencies we're talking about, it's just as much microwave/rf engineering as it is digital.
While similar, I'd claim that bread and crackers are not the same thing, due largely to how they are cooked, i.e. chemistry (yay, back on topic!:D). Also bread vs crackers with clams is very different again. Eating something is not the same as using that thing as part of a dish or recipe. I like cinnamon (or pick any particular spice) in a lot of things, doesn't mean it's particularly edible on its own. None of this addressees my original question about deriving/developing a tasty bread recipe using chemistry and science, possibly as a teaching/learning exercise.
LoL, I've had communion wafers. They're foul. Sure, they exist, but again they are not something I'd choose to eat regularly if there was any choice.:)
I'm old enough to remember Ma Bell being broke up too, as well as remembering that prices where i lived (southern Oregon) rose soon afterwards.
Of course they did, a bunch of separate businesses all doing something 'new' that used to be centrally managed, each baby bell had new operating costs. When you multiply overhead, by splitting things up, there's going to be more costs. Simple simple. Of course, how long did that last? Over the LONG term, as other posters point out, prices have crashed through the floor. Splitting a company up is expensive, but if you can think past a few years, it's cheaper in the long run... for consumers... (if anyone cares about them anymore).
LOL.
What does that make? Certainly not something I'd care to eat. Which was my point. That might be a starting point, but it doesn't make bread. What temp to cook, how long? what measurements/proportions? How long for each step. etc. Incidentally, a quick google shows all bread recipes have a bit of butter and sugar. Sugar for the yeast to eat, no doubt, and butter is probably for the crust, but it is there. I'm no chef, I just listed what I figured were common to most flour based baked goods. The secret is in the proportions and the cooking... i.e. the real chemistry.
Well, what I meant was, start with flour and yeast and any other ingredients you need. I wasn't talking about synthesizing the chemicals, just using chemistry (and biology) knowledge to 'invent' bread. i.e. figure out how much butter, sugar, salt, baking soda, baking powder, (and any other ingredients I forgot) to get a decent bread.
On the same note, combine chemistry and home ec. I'm guessing it's harder to be bored when you can eat the results of your experiment.
Some cooking is biology (e.g. yeast and fermenting) but most is chemistry. What are baking soda and baking power used for? What gives foods different flavors (sweet, sour, salty, etc.)?
Interesting. I had a thought as I was reading your post. What would it take (in chemistry knowledge) to go from first principles (and some flour and yeast) to bread that was edible and tasty?
MTV (and several of these niche channels) could probably make a bit of money, but the amount they were making wasn't expanding (quickly enough). As a public company, if you can't show growth, you die so just making money isn't enough. This drives business that are mildly successful (continually bringing in, say, expenses + 5%) to drastic changes in the name of growth. stability is just not valued. I see this as a major problem across sectors and I think the move from music to reality tv from mtv was likely done in the name of growth, rather than to avoid losses.
This can't be said loudly enough. There are loads of great niche products that try to expand out of their niche in the name of 'moar moneys!'. Tons of niche games, shows, electronics, etc. are doing fine. They're making money, they are profitable. But as the parent says, stability has no value. GROWTH has become the byword and if you can't show growth, then you get the axe (for any company, but it's orders of magnitude worse at publicly traded companies). This inevitably leads to niche products/services abandoning their niche and their core fans and supporters pursuing the wider market.
Frequently in games this is referred to as 'dumbing down', and sometimes it works. Sometimes a product grows outside it's core and gains lots of new rabid fans even if loosing their old ones (say like Skyrim). But most times it fails miserably (Dragon Age 2).
It is a fine line really, but in the tv business especially, everything is converging onto a few stupid formats of max profit margin. Meanwhile the niche markets are still out there, abandoned, looking for products that actually cater to them. And Cable companies wonders why people are abandoning them in droves for on-demand streaming services.
There's a problem with a volunteer military. It ends up being mostly poor folks who need the jobs. Incidentally, it's a heck of a lot easier for people/politicians to cheer on a war when it's not their own kids they're sending to die. You want wars to be as rare as their supposed to be? You need to have a draft and make sure military service is a prerequisite for politics and politicians kids. At least then the consequences for this shit might actually be real for them.
Yep, saying "accurate clock" IS really simple. Building one is frigging hard. Keeping it aligned with the other clocks is hard. Accounting for relativity is also hard, but not the hardest part as long as you know it has to be done. Getting all that math done in a reasonable amount of time and power usage is bloody well hard. Launching satellites is hard (it's rocket science!). We have NOT been using the 'same technology' for ages unless you use the word technology so loosely that it has no meaning. That's like saying the internet is the same technology as the pony express because stuff gets from here to there.
No doubt, but a live show has things a recording does not. Live people performing music for starters.:) A live show is an experience that's about much more than just the music. How much more often depends on the genre and the venue and the audience. It can be small, personal, intimate, large, raucous, or spectacular. None of which is on a CD.
Indeed:) In fact it was so common the English language developed some words to name the profession including: Bard, Troubadour, Minstrel and more obscurely from this site: Trouveres, Jongleurs, and there are probably more. It might seem it it was once an immensely common for musicians to live by performing.
I would like to add, there are cities/areas that do have a 'looks like a bowl of spaghetti' lay out to them in the us: Schenectady, NY. Granted there's a number of 'gridded' sections as parts were built and/or replaced, but it's quite the maze and getting from point A to point B requires a map if you haven't been there before.
Except, the fastest way to play is to skip fastplay which plays a 'selection of previews followed by the feature presentation'... so if you skip it, you get straight to menu, then play starts the move, no previews no muss. You still have the stupid FBI warnings, but you've skipped about 5-8 minutes of garbage that way.
No "potentially" about it. This is particularly apparent in games with large levels and long load times. Often the first load is normal, but once all the data is precached, levels load blindingly fast, and in many cases I no longer have time to read the flavor text/tips that show up on loading screens. It's great!
Are you implying that other news (in particular the Maker community) is not related? Currently they're still in the 'build the computer at home' hobbyist stage. In a few years where the tech and sophistication has increased dramatically such that basic parts and even some consumer electronics can simply be 'printed' at home for super cheap/free, this copyright fight will be very much in the same place as music/movie businesses are.
It IS a pre-condition for capitalism to have any positive ramifications for society and consumers. Capitalism, when working properly effectively allocates resources, lowers the cost of production, and increases efficiencies at all points in the supply chain. These are all usually considered net positives. When you don't have perfect competition (perfect information, zero barrier to entry, etc.) what you get is monopolistic, rent-seeking, and/or anti-competitive consumer abuse. I.E. all the things about capitalism that are pretty much universally despised. That's the whole point of things like anti-trust laws and consumer protections.
An unfortunate truth is that perfect competition is impossible even for commodities (although we can usually get to a reasonable enough approximation), but it's blatantly side-stepped for things like copyright and patents. Thus now we see, capitalism has produced a very efficient and cheap means of distribution (effectively free), and now we have a bunch of people trying to make laws so they don't have to face the consequences of capitalism.
We're at the point now where I can see this same fight happening for physical goods, what with printable circuits, and rapid prototyping tech starting to become cheap. It seems like the mantra has become: Capilism is GREAT!... unless it actually benefits consumers, then screw it we need our rent!
For example, companies like Ubisoft are on my permanent ban list, because of their idiotic DRM.
I agree wholeheartedly, which was why I was flabbergasted when the original Assassin's Creed showed up on GOG.com recently. That means it's awesome and DRM free, and you support guys (GOG) who seem to fundamentally agree with you on how to treat their customers and gamers in general. So if you've been waiting for a DRM free version of the game to try... now's your chance.
Here's some handy experiments anyone can do at home:
Turn on your GPS - Many major predictions of General Relativity confirmed!
Turn on your computer - Major predictions of Quantum Mechanics confirmed, as well as many aspects of electricity and material science.
Turn on your cell phone - Major aspects of information theory, electric field theory, as well as Quantum Mechanics (pesky transistors in silicon) Confirmed
Turn on your CD/DVD/BD player - LASERs confirmed, information theory confirmed
Got strep throat (or other bacterial infection) - take an antibiotic - germ theory of disease confirmed.
These are huge fundamental principles that have not only been confirmed in esoteric and expensive experiments, but have been applied in our daily lives where we retest those fundamentals constantly. That's how trust works, you do it constantly and it never changes. When the people that brought us all these things and earned our trust tell us there's some other stuff that's interesting, most folks are inclined to let that trust ride for a bit.
Contrast with: God makes lightning! Nope, just electrons. God makes earthquakes! Nope, just plate tectonics. God makes the sun go! Nope, that's fusion. etc. History is replete with wild claims of religious activity that have turned out to be bunk. Trust is a two way street.
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i never understood this insane idea that so many people have:
"the government is sick so let's kill the government and reward all power to the disease that sickens it"
seriously?!
This is the best and most concise phrasing I've seen on this issue. Thanks, I'm using that one.
We're already here essentially at standard PCB sizes, and very close for chips. At C (which electrical signals don't get to), you're pretty limited. This doesn't even account for things like rise-time, frequency dependent effects on resistance/capacitance, etc. For lots of grimy details: Modeling of semiconducter Interconnects . Full disclosure, I went to RPI, but this just happened to be the first paper I googled.
Clock regeneration works for chip-to-chip or device-to-device clocking, but those clocks also usually aren't run as fast as dedicated on-die chip clocks (note: this is the difference between bus clocks and chip clocks on modern motherboards). When you have complete control of your clock tree on a single device, it's laid out so that it is as balanced as possible from the source. i.e. the routing delays are the same to every device the clock is interacting with, this is a balanced clock tree.
As clock frequencies go up and feature sizes shrink, we'll see more asynchronous independent sub-system on the same chip. But it's a hard problem, with lots of compromises, and that asynchronous circuitry takes up space and power. And even if the transistor can switch fast enough, a digital signal has rise time, settling time, etc. that all need to be accounted for and affect the design. At the frequencies we're talking about, it's just as much microwave/rf engineering as it is digital.
That's what I was thinking, always on face randomization. :)
While similar, I'd claim that bread and crackers are not the same thing, due largely to how they are cooked, i.e. chemistry (yay, back on topic! :D). Also bread vs crackers with clams is very different again. Eating something is not the same as using that thing as part of a dish or recipe. I like cinnamon (or pick any particular spice) in a lot of things, doesn't mean it's particularly edible on its own. None of this addressees my original question about deriving/developing a tasty bread recipe using chemistry and science, possibly as a teaching/learning exercise.
LoL, I've had communion wafers. They're foul. Sure, they exist, but again they are not something I'd choose to eat regularly if there was any choice. :)
Ding. Oh for a mod point today.
I'm old enough to remember Ma Bell being broke up too, as well as remembering that prices where i lived (southern Oregon) rose soon afterwards.
Of course they did, a bunch of separate businesses all doing something 'new' that used to be centrally managed, each baby bell had new operating costs. When you multiply overhead, by splitting things up, there's going to be more costs. Simple simple. Of course, how long did that last? Over the LONG term, as other posters point out, prices have crashed through the floor. Splitting a company up is expensive, but if you can think past a few years, it's cheaper in the long run... for consumers... (if anyone cares about them anymore).
LOL. What does that make? Certainly not something I'd care to eat. Which was my point. That might be a starting point, but it doesn't make bread. What temp to cook, how long? what measurements/proportions? How long for each step. etc. Incidentally, a quick google shows all bread recipes have a bit of butter and sugar. Sugar for the yeast to eat, no doubt, and butter is probably for the crust, but it is there. I'm no chef, I just listed what I figured were common to most flour based baked goods. The secret is in the proportions and the cooking... i.e. the real chemistry.
Well, what I meant was, start with flour and yeast and any other ingredients you need. I wasn't talking about synthesizing the chemicals, just using chemistry (and biology) knowledge to 'invent' bread. i.e. figure out how much butter, sugar, salt, baking soda, baking powder, (and any other ingredients I forgot) to get a decent bread.
On the same note, combine chemistry and home ec. I'm guessing it's harder to be bored when you can eat the results of your experiment.
Some cooking is biology (e.g. yeast and fermenting) but most is chemistry. What are baking soda and baking power used for? What gives foods different flavors (sweet, sour, salty, etc.)?
Interesting. I had a thought as I was reading your post. What would it take (in chemistry knowledge) to go from first principles (and some flour and yeast) to bread that was edible and tasty?
MTV (and several of these niche channels) could probably make a bit of money, but the amount they were making wasn't expanding (quickly enough). As a public company, if you can't show growth, you die so just making money isn't enough. This drives business that are mildly successful (continually bringing in, say, expenses + 5%) to drastic changes in the name of growth. stability is just not valued. I see this as a major problem across sectors and I think the move from music to reality tv from mtv was likely done in the name of growth, rather than to avoid losses.
This can't be said loudly enough. There are loads of great niche products that try to expand out of their niche in the name of 'moar moneys!'. Tons of niche games, shows, electronics, etc. are doing fine. They're making money, they are profitable. But as the parent says, stability has no value. GROWTH has become the byword and if you can't show growth, then you get the axe (for any company, but it's orders of magnitude worse at publicly traded companies). This inevitably leads to niche products/services abandoning their niche and their core fans and supporters pursuing the wider market.
Frequently in games this is referred to as 'dumbing down', and sometimes it works. Sometimes a product grows outside it's core and gains lots of new rabid fans even if loosing their old ones (say like Skyrim). But most times it fails miserably (Dragon Age 2).
It is a fine line really, but in the tv business especially, everything is converging onto a few stupid formats of max profit margin. Meanwhile the niche markets are still out there, abandoned, looking for products that actually cater to them. And Cable companies wonders why people are abandoning them in droves for on-demand streaming services.
There's a problem with a volunteer military. It ends up being mostly poor folks who need the jobs. Incidentally, it's a heck of a lot easier for people/politicians to cheer on a war when it's not their own kids they're sending to die. You want wars to be as rare as their supposed to be? You need to have a draft and make sure military service is a prerequisite for politics and politicians kids. At least then the consequences for this shit might actually be real for them.
Yep, saying "accurate clock" IS really simple. Building one is frigging hard. Keeping it aligned with the other clocks is hard. Accounting for relativity is also hard, but not the hardest part as long as you know it has to be done. Getting all that math done in a reasonable amount of time and power usage is bloody well hard. Launching satellites is hard (it's rocket science!). We have NOT been using the 'same technology' for ages unless you use the word technology so loosely that it has no meaning. That's like saying the internet is the same technology as the pony express because stuff gets from here to there.
No doubt, but a live show has things a recording does not. Live people performing music for starters. :) A live show is an experience that's about much more than just the music. How much more often depends on the genre and the venue and the audience. It can be small, personal, intimate, large, raucous, or spectacular. None of which is on a CD.
Indeed :) In fact it was so common the English language developed some words to name the profession including: Bard, Troubadour, Minstrel and more obscurely from this site: Trouveres, Jongleurs, and there are probably more. It might seem it it was once an immensely common for musicians to live by performing.
inspired a bunch of kids and adults to think enthusiastically about science.
Even if we disregard everything else (which we shouldn't), this right here is more than worth the price of entry.
I would like to add, there are cities/areas that do have a 'looks like a bowl of spaghetti' lay out to them in the us: Schenectady, NY. Granted there's a number of 'gridded' sections as parts were built and/or replaced, but it's quite the maze and getting from point A to point B requires a map if you haven't been there before.
Except, the fastest way to play is to skip fastplay which plays a 'selection of previews followed by the feature presentation'... so if you skip it, you get straight to menu, then play starts the move, no previews no muss. You still have the stupid FBI warnings, but you've skipped about 5-8 minutes of garbage that way.
No "potentially" about it. This is particularly apparent in games with large levels and long load times. Often the first load is normal, but once all the data is precached, levels load blindingly fast, and in many cases I no longer have time to read the flavor text/tips that show up on loading screens. It's great!
Are you implying that other news (in particular the Maker community) is not related? Currently they're still in the 'build the computer at home' hobbyist stage. In a few years where the tech and sophistication has increased dramatically such that basic parts and even some consumer electronics can simply be 'printed' at home for super cheap/free, this copyright fight will be very much in the same place as music/movie businesses are.
It IS a pre-condition for capitalism to have any positive ramifications for society and consumers. Capitalism, when working properly effectively allocates resources, lowers the cost of production, and increases efficiencies at all points in the supply chain. These are all usually considered net positives. When you don't have perfect competition (perfect information, zero barrier to entry, etc.) what you get is monopolistic, rent-seeking, and/or anti-competitive consumer abuse. I.E. all the things about capitalism that are pretty much universally despised. That's the whole point of things like anti-trust laws and consumer protections.
An unfortunate truth is that perfect competition is impossible even for commodities (although we can usually get to a reasonable enough approximation), but it's blatantly side-stepped for things like copyright and patents. Thus now we see, capitalism has produced a very efficient and cheap means of distribution (effectively free), and now we have a bunch of people trying to make laws so they don't have to face the consequences of capitalism.
We're at the point now where I can see this same fight happening for physical goods, what with printable circuits, and rapid prototyping tech starting to become cheap. It seems like the mantra has become: Capilism is GREAT!... unless it actually benefits consumers, then screw it we need our rent!
For example, companies like Ubisoft are on my permanent ban list, because of their idiotic DRM.
I agree wholeheartedly, which was why I was flabbergasted when the original Assassin's Creed showed up on GOG.com recently. That means it's awesome and DRM free, and you support guys (GOG) who seem to fundamentally agree with you on how to treat their customers and gamers in general. So if you've been waiting for a DRM free version of the game to try... now's your chance.
Have you tried Go? Sure it's not a video game, but it sure beats a Bar.
Here's some handy experiments anyone can do at home:
Turn on your GPS - Many major predictions of General Relativity confirmed!
Turn on your computer - Major predictions of Quantum Mechanics confirmed, as well as many aspects of electricity and material science.
Turn on your cell phone - Major aspects of information theory, electric field theory, as well as Quantum Mechanics (pesky transistors in silicon) Confirmed
Turn on your CD/DVD/BD player - LASERs confirmed, information theory confirmed
Got strep throat (or other bacterial infection) - take an antibiotic - germ theory of disease confirmed.
These are huge fundamental principles that have not only been confirmed in esoteric and expensive experiments, but have been applied in our daily lives where we retest those fundamentals constantly. That's how trust works, you do it constantly and it never changes. When the people that brought us all these things and earned our trust tell us there's some other stuff that's interesting, most folks are inclined to let that trust ride for a bit.
Contrast with: God makes lightning! Nope, just electrons. God makes earthquakes! Nope, just plate tectonics. God makes the sun go! Nope, that's fusion. etc. History is replete with wild claims of religious activity that have turned out to be bunk. Trust is a two way street.
It was clear, functional, simple and elegant before the feature creep took place.
What, like civil rights? Women's suffrage? Which features do you consider 'creep' here?