For the click-alergic people: Please note that the Open Source Edition of Qt will support the MinGW compiler. Visual Studio support and integration is provided with the commercial Editions of Qt.
But as far as I understand you are contractually forbidden (via the comercial license) to compile and distribute proprietary apps developed on the open qt version.
>See, people kind of listen to you when you are successful as opposed to when you sit and whine because your take on things just doesn't seem to be taking off
You seem to also have to be successfull to make people actually read the stuff that the KDE developers write about the situation.
You see whining about your take on things just doesn't seem to be taking off
>On the contrary. the need with monitors for having high contrast and dealing with deaf / blind people is part of the reason they can't be perfect.
I do not argue that monitors are perfect. This is just an example of a situation you will have for every kind of Interface.
>By an immersive system, its probably going to have to be some form of direct brain link
Well, what about some people having brain Interfaces with different Versions. Do you just want to talk to the people who have the most advanced Brain Interface? Do you want to talk to the lowest common denominator? Do you want to maybe talk to the highest Version you both share? This is a configuration option, though it can probably be decided automatically.
By the way...brain link?????????? Could we keep the timeframe in this century?
>If a user has specific needs, the interface should be able to adapt to him without the need for reconfiguration.
What is the ability to adapt other than some config option which is switched in result of some observation of the user?
And automatic switching might not be a good thing too. Remember Microsoft with those Changing Menus? Just some automatic adaptable Configuration - and not quite a good idea.
Or you mention the handling of Modifier keys in Windows. It's one of the most annoying things possible. What is the first thing I do when I accidently trigger this? Hit the "Do not do this again" Configuration option.
When you make decisions for the user you take from him the freedom to decide. I like to be able to make up my own mind, thank you.
The Thing is, a "perfect" UI, is about as realistic as a "perfect" society, a "perfect" human or the "perfect" apartement.
How would people that have problems with vision set a High-Contrast color-scheme? Or do you want to have everyone use one so that some 5% of all people cann see better?
How would blind people interact with your perfect immersive environments, without telling the environment so? How would deaf people who cannot hear sound notification tell the environment that?
Sorry, while your comment is true in that config options are not a solution to most usability problems, the absolut you use is not quite true.
>However, you have one developer that does totally Open Source GPLed based development. According to QT, you must pay them anyways.
Where do you see that? (any links?)
>You use some GPL code to save costs and you do not distribute any code or even sell it. You just _use_ the code under the GPL. Well according to TrollTech, you owe them money.
The for me more interesting part is that the true cost of the olympics in athens is rather a lot (order of magnitute) larger than what the major sponsors paid.
So then why make all the fuss for that small contribution?
...and in case you missed it, it says so quite clearly in the line just beneth the headline:
Opinion by Nicholas Petreley
While I must say that I have not tested GNOME 2.6 yet and so am not in a position to critique, I think he is entitled to an opinion, even if some people might not share it.
Wouldn't "Spam" be the ideal carrier for Steganographic hidden data?
The text is most often messed up anyways, so you could just say "viagr@" is a 0 while "vi@gra" is a 1 or something... ...and since the volume is so high anyways you could probably send huge amounts of it and noone would notice... ...not to mention the forged headers...
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Actually it is an application, so it makes the phrase "supports windows, os x, and linux" sound rather interesting indeed.
http://www.mindawn.com/download.php
Did you actually visit the site?
Upps...didn't see that you did ;-)
But why do you only use it for the Tab widget? And not for the others?
It's not quite a fair comparison. You use a Visual tool to layout the Ultimate++ version, but do not use Designer.
Of course you have more code if you do everything by hand...
The Qt/Windows Open Source Edition Page
c e-desktop-4.0.0.mingw.exe.torrent
http://www.trolltech.com/download/qt/windows.html
For the click-alergic people:
Please note that the Open Source Edition of Qt will support the MinGW compiler. Visual Studio support and integration is provided with the commercial Editions of Qt.
They also provide a package that will install the binaries, and tries to install the right version of MinGW. A Torrent is:
http://www.trolltech.com/torrents/qt-win-opensour
But as far as I understand you are contractually forbidden (via the comercial license) to compile and distribute proprietary apps developed on the open qt version.
(Equally all Fields can buy a commercial/proprietary license if they like it better. But that does not claim to be free/open source any more.
>Hopefully the khtml developers will be embarrassed enough...
Wow. What a great way to motivate people!
You must be a manager right?
Do you know which Testcases fail? (Are they important ones?)
I do believe that your basic point is a valid one. Tests are only usefull if you look at them, especially if you run them as regression tests.
But I do believe that there are more efficient ways of motivating people than by embarrassment.
Again, in my version of KPDF (from 3.4.1) this works without problems. So it might be a relatively recent feature...
;-)
But (and this is the important part) it is there
I guess the common document front-end would be konqueror...
...all of the document viewers can be embedded into it as KParts ;-)
Well in my KPDF (from KDE 3.4.1) there is a "Contents" sidebar where I can see the chapters and all...
...so I guess this problem has already been resolved (if it existed in the first place :-)
I really do not understand this. How come everybody is so binary* when it comes to Linux desktop applications?
All the time I see someone say something along the lines of "Is this great program X also available for KDE/GNOME?"
Newsflash: You do not need to run the other desktop. You just need to install some base libraries.
Yes, it will look a little bit out of place. But is that such a big problem for you? Take the best of both worlds and be happy...
* yes it is a very bad joke. My appologies.
You Sir have sadly less reading skills than Neal Stephenson.
He asks this as a trivia question. This means he knows the answer and likes to annoy his friends.
I would guess that misunderstanding of yours is responsible for the rest of your comment.
Did you actually read the article? (You rant about stuff the author does not even write...)
>See, people kind of listen to you when you are successful as opposed to when you sit and whine because your take on things just doesn't seem to be taking off
You seem to also have to be successfull to make people actually read the stuff that the KDE developers write about the situation.
You see whining about your take on things just doesn't seem to be taking off
I agree that this Firefox guy should keep to himself with that kind of statement...
But I really think that the guys from KDE, contrary to most flamewar lovers on slashdot, do actually lead a hopefully fruitfull discussion.
>On the contrary. the need with monitors for having high contrast and dealing with deaf / blind people is part of the reason they can't be perfect.
I do not argue that monitors are perfect. This is just an example of a situation you will have for every kind of Interface.
>By an immersive system, its probably going to have to be some form of direct brain link
Well, what about some people having brain Interfaces with different Versions. Do you just want to talk to the people who have the most advanced Brain Interface? Do you want to talk to the lowest common denominator? Do you want to maybe talk to the highest Version you both share? This is a configuration option, though it can probably be decided automatically.
By the way...brain link?????????? Could we keep the timeframe in this century?
>If a user has specific needs, the interface should be able to adapt to him without the need for reconfiguration.
What is the ability to adapt other than some config option which is switched in result of some observation of the user?
And automatic switching might not be a good thing too. Remember Microsoft with those Changing Menus? Just some automatic adaptable Configuration - and not quite a good idea.
Or you mention the handling of Modifier keys in Windows. It's one of the most annoying things possible. What is the first thing I do when I accidently trigger this? Hit the "Do not do this again" Configuration option.
When you make decisions for the user you take from him the freedom to decide. I like to be able to make up my own mind, thank you.
The Thing is, a "perfect" UI, is about as realistic as a "perfect" society, a "perfect" human or the "perfect" apartement.
Sorry, but no.
How would people that have problems with vision set a High-Contrast color-scheme? Or do you want to have everyone use one so that some 5% of all people cann see better?
How would blind people interact with your perfect immersive environments, without telling the environment so? How would deaf people who cannot hear sound notification tell the environment that?
Sorry, while your comment is true in that config options are not a solution to most usability problems, the absolut you use is not quite true.
Please do not get confused. The Parliament is doing the Right Thing(tm).
It is the European Commision which does what it wants..or rather what Big Business(tm) wants...
Could you elaborate on that?
>However, you have one developer that does totally Open Source GPLed based development. According to QT, you must pay them anyways.
Where do you see that? (any links?)
>You use some GPL code to save costs and you do not distribute any code or even sell it. You just _use_ the code under the GPL. Well according to TrollTech, you owe them money.
And that?
Please do, as I am curious....
The for me more interesting part is that the true cost of the olympics in athens is rather a lot (order of magnitute) larger than what the major sponsors paid.
So then why make all the fuss for that small contribution?
As far as I could gather, they were running windows XP (normal)...so 32bit it is..
..the dual opterons where also running with the memory only on one of the processors...
...the webserver?
;-)
Looks like it is slashdotted?
Yes, this is not a review...
...and in case you missed it, it says so quite clearly in the line just beneth the headline:
Opinion by Nicholas Petreley
While I must say that I have not tested GNOME 2.6 yet and so am not in a position to critique, I think he is entitled to an opinion, even if some people might not share it.
The text is most often messed up anyways, so you could just say "viagr@" is a 0 while "vi@gra" is a 1 or something...
...and since the volume is so high anyways you could probably send huge amounts of it and noone would notice...
...not to mention the forged headers...
Oh, and looks I am not the first with that idea
Now, who is going to tell that to the US Congress? ;-)
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