Too what extremist christian sect are you referring....I am sick and tired of hearing this as an argument. Please, citation, what modern christian group has danced around in the streets because innocent civilians where killed?....Im waiting....I really want to hear your response....
I've had the same experiences (though not church camp). Warmth and openness to conversation can very much bring me out of the introvert shell.
Also, it might be worth noting that certain keywords, like "commodify a person", "rape culture", or "patriarchy", generally indicate a strong resistance to logic and reasoning. Arguing with such a person is rarely a fruitful endeavour.
As with any specialized field of academic study, there are a lot of words which are used in a very technical sense with a very specific meaning within the field, and shouldn't be used in discussions with people outside the field unless the way the words are being used is very specifically defined. Tell a physicist you do a huge amount of work, and he'll argue with you that the F dot d you integrate every day doesn't seem that high. Or spend a day arguing with a statistician over whether a drop in the death rate from.05% to.03% is significant. Or argue with an economist about "rent".
The next one who did not understand my post. Very interesting.
Put yourself in the position of such programmer: The management employs some sexy girls to cheer you up. However, in reality you are only allowed to look at them. At one point the becomes frustrating. And it also tells you that you are inadequate to get a women on the "free market". This is not helping. It is like going to a hooker, in short it might help, but essentially you will feel empty afterwards.
On a side note: Asia is not in anyway overtaking my society. Especially, as Asia is a little too big to be a homogeneous thing. so I conclude that you are most likely from the US and born there. And you have no clue about the world. For example, Asia include Japan. Japan is not a western country, but it is still declining. China is an Asian country, it is twice as big as the EU and the US together. They perform well, however, they have large social problems, due to their believe that boys are worth more than girls which resulted in an significant imbalance in the men/women ratio. They have also an increasing Gini-Index. It could be very dangerous there in future. India, is also Asia, and so is Thailand, and Vietnam, and Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan (all countries where western countries messed with).
at some point, the donkey figures out the carrot is fastened to his collar and he's never going to get it, no matter how far he pulls the damn cart.
"What a ridiculous job, why reduce women to only be valued by their looks and to assist males"
Are they only hiring female cheerleaders, and only to help straight male programmers, and by "cheering" they mean flaunting their body? I guess China doesn't have any laws that deal with sexuality or discrimination in the workplace...
didn't anybody watch Mad Men? Or live through that era? what do you think all those secretaries were for? if they were that necessary, we'd still have them, instead of a much smaller number of administrative assistants whose role is quite different.
Having said that, I'm wondering if the abstract concept has merit. Programming (and, in my case, IT/Sysadmin work) is generally thankless, generally involves odd hours, and can very easily become a high-stress situation.
I think you've hit on the problem.
Taking people for granted, or worse, treating them badly, is the real problem.
Making a point of personally thanking employees and acknowledging their hard work and sacrifices goes a long way. You don't have to overdo it or encourage narcissism, either -- a little goes a long way. Even when (and probably especially) I didn't think it deserved much acknowledgement and despite being extremely cynical, it really does make you feel better about it.
NOT doing it, or worse, demanding the hard work and sacrifices in a you'd-just-better-be-thankful-to-have-this-opportunity kind of way only only builds resentment and hostility. And eventually just turns out more people who figure that being at best a jerk and at worst a tyrant is how you get things done.
wonder how it would work if the salaries paid to the women were divided up among the programmers instead.
You must be a manager that believes every second a person is not at their desk hacking a away a problem is "lost productivity"... rather than accepting the notion that sometimes, stepping away from a problem SOLVES the problem..
#1: These women are not just randomly walking around interrupting everyone's day.. they are in the breakrooms and company sponsored events.. (no different than most other companies, other than the fact that, THAT is their job)
#2: It offers the mental break I mentioned, which shows that long term you are MORE productive, because your output is higher quality.
Of course will have some people that abuse it and slack off (like ANYTHING).. you feed them, and some people will spend more time eating than doing work. You give them a bathroom, and some people will spend more time using it than their work.. but the majority see it for what it is.. a tool to help bring LIFE back into the "factory floor" and lets them focus on the job rather than worry about all the other things that we do think about (ie: where to eat, where/if I can poo, and in the case of this example, my life is depressing because I ONLY work)
Again, cracking the whip on everyone is not going to make EVERYONE more productive. And it sounds like for YOU, its a distraction (because you want to view it as such).. And I bet very much you are the sort that can't work at home because of "the distractions".
any good employee will refrain from using the bathroom and wear diapers to work. (purchased out of their own money. your employer didn't ask you to evacuate your bowels at his expense). anything else is just stealing from your employer, taking the time to get up and go elsewhere and spend an unpredictable amount of time while the timeclock is ticking.
this is equally true for working at home.
Tolerant does not mean "strive to not offend". Tolerant means "don't tell people how to behave or think", with the axiomatic underpinning being "as long as those people don't try to actively harm you".
The fact that you don't understand the meaning of a simple word like "tolerant" makes your entire post rather superfluous.
yeah; tolerant would be closer to "don't be quick to take offense, particularly when none is meant"
Meh, your anecdote smacks of US executives observing Japanese team bonding exercises and assuming those were why Japanese corproations were so successful, instead of their permanent jobs with good salaries and conditions.
Japanese culture is why the Japanese method works. You can't get large numbers of Western workers to put up with large patches of unpaid overtime every week (not to mention the fact there is no reciprocal loyalty between the employer and employee).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_work_environment#Working_conditions
"You can't get large numbers of Western workers to put up with large patches of unpaid overtime every week"
say what? where the heck do you work?
Why not just find out what the female programmers want and hire some male cheerleaders for them as well?
On average, sex is probably a bigger motivator for males than it is for females, but that doesn't mean it can't also work for women or that there isn't some analog that is equally effective.
they could bring in baby cheerleaders for the female programmers
or just puppies and kittens for everybody
I lived a while in Japan so I get it It's not easy to explain. Japanese, Indonesian, and Philippine culture (I'm sure there are others but I only know this about those three) emphasize... group orientation I guess? The group is more important than its members. To sacrifice for the group is good. Therefore one must be encouraging to others, even at the cost of self-expression. Therefore, in turn, keeping up apparent enthusiasm is vital.
That's Confucianism in a nutshell. The welfare of your group (be it family, clique, gang, school, company, city, province, or country) is more important than any individual's welfare. Once you grok that, a lot of Asian culture starts to make sense.
The concept is not alien to the West: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
Recipe for evading charges of joke plagiarization: change the priest, the rabbi, and the gay guy to random strings of characters containing at least one each of capital letters, small letters, numerals, and punctuation signs.
For example, "A 6Yuiosd*g, a gjk9%er22, and a ((twlCVS9 walk into a bar..."
"The comedy world crucified Josh "Fat Jew" Ostrovsky for building his career on re-tweeting other people's jokes without attribution." ironically, that's the actual true story of what happened to Jesus.
I hereby patent the joke, i.e. a textual utterance or written work which involves one or more persons or animals or other objects which are portrayed in certain circumstances as indulging in behavior and/or speech which is intended to evoke a response of humor in the listener or reader.
I have my lawyers ready to police this aggressively.
Writing a passphrase down is not necessarily insecure. It depends on where you keep it and who your adversary is (if there is one).
Considerations and recommendations about passphrases only make sense in the context of their use and with the overall security system and its purpose in mind.
every once in a while, a password writer downer realizes that instead of writing down the password they can write down the keys to the left of the actual ones in the password, or some such.
When I work for , initially I only have 1 password to memorize. As I gain tenure, more systems I gain access to, which have their own password rules. By the time I'm eligible to "move up" to another position I may have 23 different username and password combinations, of which some have rules that contradict others.
So there is a huge loss in productivity having all of these passwords be unique. I wound up keeping the lesser-used passwords in a PDA. So if that PDA was ever lost or stolen, I'd still be able to do work, but if one of those unique-cases came up, I'd have to lose the productivity then.
Other people keep passwords on stickynotes on their PC.
The problem, is, that passwords are bad.
With the advent of smartphones/watches, it should be possible to just start having PC's have NFC built into the computer screen, and placing the phone near the screen leaves the PC unlocked and all accounts accessible until the phone is moved two meters away from the monitor. Forget your phone at home? Did it get smashed? Then your boss can issue you a NFC ID card and temporary/permanently revoke the phone.
This also prevents password sharing because taking the phone or NFC card to another machine kicks out the previous login.
Good luck getting Google and such implementing a common NFC card access.
Here's the thing; when you forget your password, or it locks you out, you can just call the help desk, or go through some web page; and they ascertain your identity by a few different pieces of data; your social security number, your date of hire, your mother's maiden name, etc. So, basically, the insertion of a password into the chain of events grants you no extra security than just having you answer these questions when you want to log in. So come up with a slate of such challenge questions of which you have to answer a random three or four, if biometrics isn't an option.
I was an admin for a small company (~50 users) that was owned by a bigger company. I had all of the users make their network password something that they could remember; they were not allowed to write it down. I also recommended that they change it periodically but it wasn't required. Periodically I would suspend the account locking and attempt to crack users passwords. Any users were notified that they needed to change theirs immediately. If it happened again, I would have to get their supervisor involved, It never happened. Life was good.
Then the parent company hires a new seagull manager and he comes in and demands that we update our password policy to have passwords expire after 30 days and a password history of 12. They also needed to be complex and be 8 characters. He claims the change was taken word-for-word from Sarbanes-Oxley requirements. I told him that I had read Sarbanes-Oxley and it stated only that a sufficient password policy needed to be in place, which is what we currently had. I even pointed it out to him. It made no difference.
Within weeks, you could find post-its with passwords on them under about half of the keyboards in the office. I knew it would happen.
The parent company also never had account locking enabled because "it just causes more calls to the helpdesk". I at least got that changed when I showed him how easy it was to brute force with a rainbow table. The look on his face was like I was doing magic. When a junior admin is teaching the supposed director of information security how to do their job, there is a big problem.
I left not long after that. I heard that he got fired a few years later, so at least there is a god.
we just got yet another system added to our list of systems we need passwords for; this one expires after 90 days, with no warnings, and locks you out so you can't change it once it expires without going through the help desk. I think they'd be happiest if they could just keep everybody from accessing the system.
1st change: prefix & suffix & number
2nd change: number++ & suffix & prefix. Vary as needed. Nothing written down.
I've been doing this successfully for ages. Easy to remember, produces reasonably high entropy passwords. But as has been pointed out, everything depends on how robust a system is that's storing it on the other side.
One kicker is the requirement for a nonnumeric nonalpha character, # or $ or whatever. The problem is that different systems have different sets of such chars that they will accept, and the intersection that all will accept is small, and therefore it's hard to avoid repeats. (I try to keep my passwords to my work system the same at any given time, since it's hard enough to remember even just one).
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we should be looking for cell phone signals.
Too what extremist christian sect are you referring....I am sick and tired of hearing this as an argument. Please, citation, what modern christian group has danced around in the streets because innocent civilians where killed? ....Im waiting....I really want to hear your response....
And without further ado, I bring you the comments section of WND. http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/bin...
Yet another waste of time and money. Seriously - study knots. Only idiots who could never tie a know would study the physics of them.
and don't get me started on those idiots who try to study the movement of heavenly bodies. Obviously, they travel as God wants them to. Duh.
turns out i've been tying my pretzels all wrong, that's why they all turn into crullers.
I've had the same experiences (though not church camp). Warmth and openness to conversation can very much bring me out of the introvert shell.
Also, it might be worth noting that certain keywords, like "commodify a person", "rape culture", or "patriarchy", generally indicate a strong resistance to logic and reasoning. Arguing with such a person is rarely a fruitful endeavour.
As with any specialized field of academic study, there are a lot of words which are used in a very technical sense with a very specific meaning within the field, and shouldn't be used in discussions with people outside the field unless the way the words are being used is very specifically defined. Tell a physicist you do a huge amount of work, and he'll argue with you that the F dot d you integrate every day doesn't seem that high. Or spend a day arguing with a statistician over whether a drop in the death rate from .05% to .03% is significant. Or argue with an economist about "rent".
In America, we call gootball "soccer", I think.
not so fast
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https://twitter.com/hashtag/go...
https://vine.co/tags/gootball
The next one who did not understand my post. Very interesting.
Put yourself in the position of such programmer: The management employs some sexy girls to cheer you up. However, in reality you are only allowed to look at them. At one point the becomes frustrating. And it also tells you that you are inadequate to get a women on the "free market". This is not helping. It is like going to a hooker, in short it might help, but essentially you will feel empty afterwards.
On a side note: Asia is not in anyway overtaking my society. Especially, as Asia is a little too big to be a homogeneous thing. so I conclude that you are most likely from the US and born there. And you have no clue about the world. For example, Asia include Japan. Japan is not a western country, but it is still declining. China is an Asian country, it is twice as big as the EU and the US together. They perform well, however, they have large social problems, due to their believe that boys are worth more than girls which resulted in an significant imbalance in the men/women ratio. They have also an increasing Gini-Index. It could be very dangerous there in future. India, is also Asia, and so is Thailand, and Vietnam, and Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan (all countries where western countries messed with).
at some point, the donkey figures out the carrot is fastened to his collar and he's never going to get it, no matter how far he pulls the damn cart.
The best part of this story is a room full of socially awkward nerds being described as "stereotypical 'bro' culture."
stereotypical bro culture is, of course, heavily crypto-homosexual. the banging of the broads is just ritual denial.
"What a ridiculous job, why reduce women to only be valued by their looks and to assist males" Are they only hiring female cheerleaders, and only to help straight male programmers, and by "cheering" they mean flaunting their body? I guess China doesn't have any laws that deal with sexuality or discrimination in the workplace...
didn't anybody watch Mad Men? Or live through that era? what do you think all those secretaries were for? if they were that necessary, we'd still have them, instead of a much smaller number of administrative assistants whose role is quite different.
Having said that, I'm wondering if the abstract concept has merit. Programming (and, in my case, IT/Sysadmin work) is generally thankless, generally involves odd hours, and can very easily become a high-stress situation.
I think you've hit on the problem.
Taking people for granted, or worse, treating them badly, is the real problem.
Making a point of personally thanking employees and acknowledging their hard work and sacrifices goes a long way. You don't have to overdo it or encourage narcissism, either -- a little goes a long way. Even when (and probably especially) I didn't think it deserved much acknowledgement and despite being extremely cynical, it really does make you feel better about it.
NOT doing it, or worse, demanding the hard work and sacrifices in a you'd-just-better-be-thankful-to-have-this-opportunity kind of way only only builds resentment and hostility. And eventually just turns out more people who figure that being at best a jerk and at worst a tyrant is how you get things done.
wonder how it would work if the salaries paid to the women were divided up among the programmers instead.
How are you arriving at that conclusion..
You must be a manager that believes every second a person is not at their desk hacking a away a problem is "lost productivity"... rather than accepting the notion that sometimes, stepping away from a problem SOLVES the problem..
#1: These women are not just randomly walking around interrupting everyone's day.. they are in the breakrooms and company sponsored events.. (no different than most other companies, other than the fact that, THAT is their job)
#2: It offers the mental break I mentioned, which shows that long term you are MORE productive, because your output is higher quality.
Of course will have some people that abuse it and slack off (like ANYTHING).. you feed them, and some people will spend more time eating than doing work. You give them a bathroom, and some people will spend more time using it than their work.. but the majority see it for what it is.. a tool to help bring LIFE back into the "factory floor" and lets them focus on the job rather than worry about all the other things that we do think about (ie: where to eat, where/if I can poo, and in the case of this example, my life is depressing because I ONLY work)
Again, cracking the whip on everyone is not going to make EVERYONE more productive. And it sounds like for YOU, its a distraction (because you want to view it as such).. And I bet very much you are the sort that can't work at home because of "the distractions".
any good employee will refrain from using the bathroom and wear diapers to work. (purchased out of their own money. your employer didn't ask you to evacuate your bowels at his expense). anything else is just stealing from your employer, taking the time to get up and go elsewhere and spend an unpredictable amount of time while the timeclock is ticking.
this is equally true for working at home.
Tolerant does not mean "strive to not offend". Tolerant means "don't tell people how to behave or think", with the axiomatic underpinning being "as long as those people don't try to actively harm you".
The fact that you don't understand the meaning of a simple word like "tolerant" makes your entire post rather superfluous.
yeah; tolerant would be closer to "don't be quick to take offense, particularly when none is meant"
Meh, your anecdote smacks of US executives observing Japanese team bonding exercises and assuming those were why Japanese corproations were so successful, instead of their permanent jobs with good salaries and conditions.
Japanese culture is why the Japanese method works. You can't get large numbers of Western workers to put up with large patches of unpaid overtime every week (not to mention the fact there is no reciprocal loyalty between the employer and employee). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_work_environment#Working_conditions
"You can't get large numbers of Western workers to put up with large patches of unpaid overtime every week"
say what? where the heck do you work?
Why not just find out what the female programmers want and hire some male cheerleaders for them as well? On average, sex is probably a bigger motivator for males than it is for females, but that doesn't mean it can't also work for women or that there isn't some analog that is equally effective.
they could bring in baby cheerleaders for the female programmers or just puppies and kittens for everybody
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
China recognizes neither same-sex marriage nor civil unions.
you'd think that would be agreeable with their overpopulation problem.
That's Confucianism in a nutshell. The welfare of your group (be it family, clique, gang, school, company, city, province, or country) is more important than any individual's welfare. Once you grok that, a lot of Asian culture starts to make sense. The concept is not alien to the West: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
bit oversimplification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
You know, Hitler's dog didn't have a nose.
Wenn ist das Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! ... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.
Recipe for evading charges of joke plagiarization: change the priest, the rabbi, and the gay guy to random strings of characters containing at least one each of capital letters, small letters, numerals, and punctuation signs.
For example, "A 6Yuiosd*g, a gjk9%er22, and a ((twlCVS9 walk into a bar..."
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You win internet word of the day.
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"The comedy world crucified Josh "Fat Jew" Ostrovsky for building his career on re-tweeting other people's jokes without attribution."
ironically, that's the actual true story of what happened to Jesus.
I hereby patent the joke, i.e. a textual utterance or written work which involves one or more persons or animals or other objects which are portrayed in certain circumstances as indulging in behavior and/or speech which is intended to evoke a response of humor in the listener or reader. I have my lawyers ready to police this aggressively.
Writing a passphrase down is not necessarily insecure. It depends on where you keep it and who your adversary is (if there is one).
Considerations and recommendations about passphrases only make sense in the context of their use and with the overall security system and its purpose in mind.
every once in a while, a password writer downer realizes that instead of writing down the password they can write down the keys to the left of the actual ones in the password, or some such.
Here's the problem in a nutshell:
When I work for , initially I only have 1 password to memorize. As I gain tenure, more systems I gain access to, which have their own password rules. By the time I'm eligible to "move up" to another position I may have 23 different username and password combinations, of which some have rules that contradict others.
So there is a huge loss in productivity having all of these passwords be unique. I wound up keeping the lesser-used passwords in a PDA. So if that PDA was ever lost or stolen, I'd still be able to do work, but if one of those unique-cases came up, I'd have to lose the productivity then.
Other people keep passwords on stickynotes on their PC.
The problem, is, that passwords are bad.
With the advent of smartphones/watches, it should be possible to just start having PC's have NFC built into the computer screen, and placing the phone near the screen leaves the PC unlocked and all accounts accessible until the phone is moved two meters away from the monitor. Forget your phone at home? Did it get smashed? Then your boss can issue you a NFC ID card and temporary/permanently revoke the phone.
This also prevents password sharing because taking the phone or NFC card to another machine kicks out the previous login.
Good luck getting Google and such implementing a common NFC card access.
Here's the thing; when you forget your password, or it locks you out, you can just call the help desk, or go through some web page; and they ascertain your identity by a few different pieces of data; your social security number, your date of hire, your mother's maiden name, etc. So, basically, the insertion of a password into the chain of events grants you no extra security than just having you answer these questions when you want to log in. So come up with a slate of such challenge questions of which you have to answer a random three or four, if biometrics isn't an option.
I was an admin for a small company (~50 users) that was owned by a bigger company. I had all of the users make their network password something that they could remember; they were not allowed to write it down. I also recommended that they change it periodically but it wasn't required. Periodically I would suspend the account locking and attempt to crack users passwords. Any users were notified that they needed to change theirs immediately. If it happened again, I would have to get their supervisor involved, It never happened. Life was good.
Then the parent company hires a new seagull manager and he comes in and demands that we update our password policy to have passwords expire after 30 days and a password history of 12. They also needed to be complex and be 8 characters. He claims the change was taken word-for-word from Sarbanes-Oxley requirements. I told him that I had read Sarbanes-Oxley and it stated only that a sufficient password policy needed to be in place, which is what we currently had. I even pointed it out to him. It made no difference.
Within weeks, you could find post-its with passwords on them under about half of the keyboards in the office. I knew it would happen.
The parent company also never had account locking enabled because "it just causes more calls to the helpdesk". I at least got that changed when I showed him how easy it was to brute force with a rainbow table. The look on his face was like I was doing magic. When a junior admin is teaching the supposed director of information security how to do their job, there is a big problem.
I left not long after that. I heard that he got fired a few years later, so at least there is a god.
we just got yet another system added to our list of systems we need passwords for; this one expires after 90 days, with no warnings, and locks you out so you can't change it once it expires without going through the help desk. I think they'd be happiest if they could just keep everybody from accessing the system.
1st change: prefix & suffix & number 2nd change: number++ & suffix & prefix. Vary as needed. Nothing written down. I've been doing this successfully for ages. Easy to remember, produces reasonably high entropy passwords. But as has been pointed out, everything depends on how robust a system is that's storing it on the other side.
One kicker is the requirement for a nonnumeric nonalpha character, # or $ or whatever. The problem is that different systems have different sets of such chars that they will accept, and the intersection that all will accept is small, and therefore it's hard to avoid repeats. (I try to keep my passwords to my work system the same at any given time, since it's hard enough to remember even just one).