It's implied. The theme of the post you were replying to was that he wasn't going to vote Republican. If you reply in a manner that comes across as a rebuttal, you can't be surprised if people assume you are refuting the main theme.
I never suggested voting for Republicans. I never mentioned them
You knew they were implied. Knowing this, and still choosing to omit them, you cannot come back and say, "I never mentioned them!". They were already mentioned. If you don't think they should be voted for, you should have included that in your post, lest people make the logical connection.
This makes your post the DEFINITION of a straw man argument. Logical fallacies are so you.
Actually, no. A straw man fallacy is only a fallacy when it's used to disprove (or prove) some other thing. My "straw man" isn't a distraction, isn't a stand-in, it's the main point. That, by it's very definition, precludes it from being a straw man fallacy.
Now to be fair, I'm slightly guilty of the same, as the GP never said he was voting for Democrats, just that he wouldn't vote for Republicans.
No, you're not "slightly guilty of the same", you're exactly "guilty" of the same. You assumed based on what was implied. The assumption could be wrong. The implication could be misleading or imagined. But you made a reasonable connection.
As long as a competitive, free market is ensured, this won't happen.
And other assorted Fairy Tales by Slashdotter brasselv, with an intro by Ayn Rand.
A free market is not possible anywhere at any time. Some markets are free enough to render this distinction not terribly important for the most part, but the telecom/ISP market is almost the polar opposite of those relatively free markets in this regard.
Video editing has next to 0 interaction with the operating system,
Unless you're using a hypervisor, or using the OS as a bootloader or something, this is patently false.
so the only difference between windows and macs (that is good for macs) is final cut.
Mac OS X has numerous features which are useful for video editing. Core Graphics, Core Animation, QuickTime (not QuickTime Player, not the QuickTime container, but QuickTime), Core Audio, Core Video. These are all very impressive technologies, and are all useful for post production.
What benefit does a PC have over a Mac? Price? That's an illusion. Windows? You can't be serious. Software? Adobe Premier and Avid run on Mac OS X.
Language is language and it's important that we are all synced.
Yes, language is language, and all of us being in sync is important.
As far as getting into sync goes, which group do you think is more likely to budge? The "everyone else" out there who call everything the hard drive (*except* the hard drive, which they call "memory"). Or the geek crowd who thrive off deliberate precision and technical perspicacity?
The answer is, of course, neither.
Fortunately, the "hard drive" won't last another decade, except as the device people really should be replacing in their old, busted PCs. Unfortunately, that doesn't exactly guarantee people won't still use the term, regardless of whether it actually applies.
Simply put, you're right, but that has no bearing on reality. MeanMF's advice is sound, and if your desire is to avoid frustration, it might be the best course. On the other hand, if your intent is to be correct and precise... well, just be prepared for multiple bouts of frustration. It might be worthwhile asking the grammar and spelling nazi's how they cope. Just keep an eye on your apostrophes...
EA might, by the way, actually be a reasonable move for Apple. We all know MS bought up their fair share of game companies and how it has worked for them.
Yeah, they got this small game that was being touted as a Mac exclusive just months before the acquisition. I think it was called "Halo".
Just imagine how different things would be today had Apple bought Bungie instead of MS.
They tried. They even sent Linus a Power Mac G5, but he won't budge. They sent Stallman some deodorant. Rookie move there!
On the other hand, they are making some headway against the Slashdot Vista Fan Club, and Windows 7 isn't going to get the cakewalk it was supposed to get after the first beta. I guess "Better Than Vista" isn't exactly high praise around here.
But to be sure, let me check with netcraft. Just a sec...
Ooh, it's not looking good for BSD!
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I didn't realize that he was saying only Ubuntu users get tired arms, and that only screens connected to an Ubuntu PC get smudged. Thanks for clearing that up!
Given that the thread is about Ubuntu's touch screen support and my post that he was replying to was specifically talking about desktop machines, I guess you can figure out the relevance of your post.
Given that the post I was replying to argued that touch screens are useless, so there's no need for Ubuntu support, my post was very relevant, in that I pointed out that his premise is false.
But I suppose it's easier to just pretend touch screens are useless than it is to admit a shortcoming.
And you use the latest Ubuntu release on your iPhone so you need it to support touch screen? If not then your post seems to have absolutely no relevance to this thread.
I didn't realize that he was saying only Ubuntu users get tired arms, and that only screens connected to an Ubuntu PC get smudged.
Did you miss the part where he said they are GOOD for handheld devices? Is an iPhone held with something other than your hand?
Not at all, I even quoted it. Did you miss the part where I refuted each of his issues? Just because I used my iPhone as an example doesn't invalidate them.
Touch screens are not a problem, unless you simplisticly treat them like your current screen. People use their arms all day without tiring, and smudging isn't an issue if your materials have that in mind.
Don't mod me down just because you lack imagination.
Touch is good for handheld devices. But for reglar use they are almost worthless, except as you said for a kiosk.
I use my iPhone regularly.
Your arm is going to get worn out raising it to select each item you want to act upon. And touch isn't precise so you end up doing it more than once sometimes.
My arm doesn't get "worn out" using my iPhone, and I actually have to hold the iPhone. Chefs, drivers, musicians, teachers, and couch potatoes all use their arms without much trouble.
Touch also smears your screen, making it dirty. It's not like the old days of glass tube monitors (CRTs) that can be wiped clean with windex. You have to be careful of your flat screen when touching and when cleaning.
The iPhone screen smudges, but it's really not an issue. It's glass, and just wipes clean, but doesn't really need to be done that often as the screen is relatively bright and the glass seems designed to not be annoying with smudges.
You've listed reasons why you think touch screens are a bad idea as though you started with the conclusion and are just coming up with excuses to justify it. Now, get out of the way and let people who aren't so limited in thought get things that you've deemed impractical done.
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Because "insightful" doesn't mean "literally true".
Actually, insight - the result of apprehending the inner nature of things.
Note how it doesn't say anything about being literally true.
To clarify my point, calling a poster Ballmer doesn't necessarily have to be literally true to be insightful, it just needs for the idea of calling the poster Ballmer to provide some sort of insight. I'm not saying it did, but found your objection due to "lack of evidence" to completely miss the point of what insight is. A lot of nonsensical things are insightful. And a lot of very true things lack insight.
Wow, you're really stretching yourself to make an argument here...
Wow...
Did you reply to the wrong post or something? All I said is Linux is too hard for most people (particularly on the topic of themes, but I do mean it in general as well).
Honestly, making Windows look different is not challenging to anyone, and you linux folks can scream until you explode about ease of use, BUT IT STILL WON'T BE TRUE.
Most people don't ever change the look of Windows. That's because the default theme doesn't suck (at least, not nearly so bad as Ubuntu's).
Fucksake, why does there have to be one OS to rule them all? Why can't we accept that like cars, houses, furniture, eyeglasses, and everything else in the world, different options are appropriate for different people with different tastes, needs, levels of interest, etc?
Still doesn't change the fact that some "cars, houses, furniture, eyeglasses" just plain suck.
All I said was that it's easier than putting it into the System menu, which it is. The best (easiest) choice, like I said, was to just have a good default theme to begin with.
I would argue that it is Adobe's responsibility, as they are the company creating a product that people are paying outrageous amounts of money for. They get to choose what operating systems they wish to make it for.
It doesn't matter whose responsibility it is. It doesn't matter whose fault it is. What matters is whose problem it is. And it's Linux's problem.
If you want people to use your system, and they can't due to some issue, that issue is your problem.
I always wonder, when Linux advocates blame some third party, what they think the end-user's thought process is going to be. Do you think some graphics artist is going to think, "I want to run Photoshop, but it doesn't work under Linux. It's not Linux's fault, so I guess it's OK. I'll just run Linux and wait for Adobe to port Photoshop over."
Also, iTunes is appalling, restrictive crapware...
For the vast majority of people, iTunes is amazing, empowering software.
Most people don't care about playing flac/ogg, about shopping around in different music stores, manually organizing their music folders, etc. They just want to rip, buy, organize and play music and sync their iPods, and there's nothing that does all that with as little effort as iTunes.
I feel that if Ubuntu made it easier to change to well made themes...
How is System>>Preferences>>Appearance anything but easy?
You'll note he said "easier". A default theme that more people like is easiest. A picker during install is easier.
And, as we're talking about mass-market users here, a "System" menu is just about the scariest thing they can imagine. They don't see, "This is where you can customize your computer to just the way you want it. Have at it, you freedom-lovin' hacker-dude!" They see, "click the wrong button and you're fucked." Except all the buttons are in Chinese. And they don't read Chinese.
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And the straw man argument comes out.
Where the hell did I suggest voting republican?
It's implied. The theme of the post you were replying to was that he wasn't going to vote Republican. If you reply in a manner that comes across as a rebuttal, you can't be surprised if people assume you are refuting the main theme.
I never suggested voting for Republicans. I never mentioned them
You knew they were implied. Knowing this, and still choosing to omit them, you cannot come back and say, "I never mentioned them!". They were already mentioned. If you don't think they should be voted for, you should have included that in your post, lest people make the logical connection.
This makes your post the DEFINITION of a straw man argument. Logical fallacies are so you.
Actually, no. A straw man fallacy is only a fallacy when it's used to disprove (or prove) some other thing. My "straw man" isn't a distraction, isn't a stand-in, it's the main point. That, by it's very definition, precludes it from being a straw man fallacy.
Now to be fair, I'm slightly guilty of the same, as the GP never said he was voting for Democrats, just that he wouldn't vote for Republicans.
No, you're not "slightly guilty of the same", you're exactly "guilty" of the same. You assumed based on what was implied. The assumption could be wrong. The implication could be misleading or imagined. But you made a reasonable connection.
Two sides of the same coin.
With one side facing backwards and the other facing forwards...
And that's a valid reason to vote Republican?
Some progress is better than no progress. After a while, maybe the Republicans will get a clue and become even more progressive than the Democrats!
But even if that never happens, it's still better to choose the party of least corruption (unless, I suppose, you are a purveyor of corruption).
As long as a competitive, free market is ensured, this won't happen.
And other assorted Fairy Tales by Slashdotter brasselv, with an intro by Ayn Rand.
A free market is not possible anywhere at any time. Some markets are free enough to render this distinction not terribly important for the most part, but the telecom/ISP market is almost the polar opposite of those relatively free markets in this regard.
Video editing has next to 0 interaction with the operating system,
Unless you're using a hypervisor, or using the OS as a bootloader or something, this is patently false.
so the only difference between windows and macs (that is good for macs) is final cut.
Mac OS X has numerous features which are useful for video editing. Core Graphics, Core Animation, QuickTime (not QuickTime Player, not the QuickTime container, but QuickTime), Core Audio, Core Video. These are all very impressive technologies, and are all useful for post production.
What benefit does a PC have over a Mac? Price? That's an illusion. Windows? You can't be serious. Software? Adobe Premier and Avid run on Mac OS X.
Allow me to translate that:
US gallon = 3.78 liters
UK gallon = 4.54 litres
Therefore it would be 50 mpg in UK... good luck with that!
It would seem they don't need luck.
[citation needed]
Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't hold a true monopoly. You see, Microsoft competes with itself.
I'm pretty sure that's still a monopoly. All they're doing is selling different models.
Language is language and it's important that we are all synced.
Yes, language is language, and all of us being in sync is important.
As far as getting into sync goes, which group do you think is more likely to budge? The "everyone else" out there who call everything the hard drive (*except* the hard drive, which they call "memory"). Or the geek crowd who thrive off deliberate precision and technical perspicacity?
The answer is, of course, neither.
Fortunately, the "hard drive" won't last another decade, except as the device people really should be replacing in their old, busted PCs. Unfortunately, that doesn't exactly guarantee people won't still use the term, regardless of whether it actually applies.
Simply put, you're right, but that has no bearing on reality. MeanMF's advice is sound, and if your desire is to avoid frustration, it might be the best course. On the other hand, if your intent is to be correct and precise... well, just be prepared for multiple bouts of frustration. It might be worthwhile asking the grammar and spelling nazi's how they cope. Just keep an eye on your apostrophes...
EA might, by the way, actually be a reasonable move for Apple. We all know MS bought up their fair share of game companies and how it has worked for them.
Yeah, they got this small game that was being touted as a Mac exclusive just months before the acquisition. I think it was called "Halo".
Just imagine how different things would be today had Apple bought Bungie instead of MS.
Maybe Apple are about to buy Slashdot?
They tried. They even sent Linus a Power Mac G5, but he won't budge. They sent Stallman some deodorant. Rookie move there!
On the other hand, they are making some headway against the Slashdot Vista Fan Club, and Windows 7 isn't going to get the cakewalk it was supposed to get after the first beta. I guess "Better Than Vista" isn't exactly high praise around here.
But to be sure, let me check with netcraft. Just a sec...
Ooh, it's not looking good for BSD!
Uh, yeah... Good luck with that!
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You must have Windows auto-update turned off...
I didn't realize that he was saying only Ubuntu users get tired arms, and that only screens connected to an Ubuntu PC get smudged. Thanks for clearing that up!
Given that the thread is about Ubuntu's touch screen support and my post that he was replying to was specifically talking about desktop machines, I guess you can figure out the relevance of your post.
Given that the post I was replying to argued that touch screens are useless, so there's no need for Ubuntu support, my post was very relevant, in that I pointed out that his premise is false.
But I suppose it's easier to just pretend touch screens are useless than it is to admit a shortcoming.
But from what end? :P
Let's just say, it sent a chair flying...
I use my iPhone regularly.
And you use the latest Ubuntu release on your iPhone so you need it to support touch screen? If not then your post seems to have absolutely no relevance to this thread.
I didn't realize that he was saying only Ubuntu users get tired arms, and that only screens connected to an Ubuntu PC get smudged.
Thanks for clearing that up!
Did you miss the part where he said they are GOOD for handheld devices? Is an iPhone held with something other than your hand?
Not at all, I even quoted it. Did you miss the part where I refuted each of his issues? Just because I used my iPhone as an example doesn't invalidate them.
Touch screens are not a problem, unless you simplisticly treat them like your current screen. People use their arms all day without tiring, and smudging isn't an issue if your materials have that in mind.
Don't mod me down just because you lack imagination.
Touch is good for handheld devices. But for reglar use they are almost worthless, except as you said for a kiosk.
I use my iPhone regularly.
Your arm is going to get worn out raising it to select each item you want to act upon. And touch isn't precise so you end up doing it more than once sometimes.
My arm doesn't get "worn out" using my iPhone, and I actually have to hold the iPhone. Chefs, drivers, musicians, teachers, and couch potatoes all use their arms without much trouble.
Touch also smears your screen, making it dirty. It's not like the old days of glass tube monitors (CRTs) that can be wiped clean with windex. You have to be careful of your flat screen when touching and when cleaning.
The iPhone screen smudges, but it's really not an issue. It's glass, and just wipes clean, but doesn't really need to be done that often as the screen is relatively bright and the glass seems designed to not be annoying with smudges.
You've listed reasons why you think touch screens are a bad idea as though you started with the conclusion and are just coming up with excuses to justify it. Now, get out of the way and let people who aren't so limited in thought get things that you've deemed impractical done.
Because "insightful" doesn't mean "literally true".
Actually, insight - the result of apprehending the inner nature of things.
Note how it doesn't say anything about being literally true.
To clarify my point, calling a poster Ballmer doesn't necessarily have to be literally true to be insightful, it just needs for the idea of calling the poster Ballmer to provide some sort of insight. I'm not saying it did, but found your objection due to "lack of evidence" to completely miss the point of what insight is. A lot of nonsensical things are insightful. And a lot of very true things lack insight.
Because "insightful" doesn't mean "literally true".
Wow, you're really stretching yourself to make an argument here...
Wow...
Did you reply to the wrong post or something? All I said is Linux is too hard for most people (particularly on the topic of themes, but I do mean it in general as well).
Honestly, making Windows look different is not challenging to anyone, and you linux folks can scream until you explode about ease of use, BUT IT STILL WON'T BE TRUE.
Most people don't ever change the look of Windows. That's because the default theme doesn't suck (at least, not nearly so bad as Ubuntu's).
Fucksake, why does there have to be one OS to rule them all? Why can't we accept that like cars, houses, furniture, eyeglasses, and everything else in the world, different options are appropriate for different people with different tastes, needs, levels of interest, etc?
Still doesn't change the fact that some "cars, houses, furniture, eyeglasses" just plain suck.
All I said was that it's easier than putting it into the System menu, which it is. The best (easiest) choice, like I said, was to just have a good default theme to begin with.
I would argue that it is Adobe's responsibility, as they are the company creating a product that people are paying outrageous amounts of money for. They get to choose what operating systems they wish to make it for.
It doesn't matter whose responsibility it is. It doesn't matter whose fault it is. What matters is whose problem it is. And it's Linux's problem.
If you want people to use your system, and they can't due to some issue, that issue is your problem.
I always wonder, when Linux advocates blame some third party, what they think the end-user's thought process is going to be. Do you think some graphics artist is going to think, "I want to run Photoshop, but it doesn't work under Linux. It's not Linux's fault, so I guess it's OK. I'll just run Linux and wait for Adobe to port Photoshop over."
The blame is Adobe's, the problem is Linux's.
Also, iTunes is appalling, restrictive crapware...
For the vast majority of people, iTunes is amazing, empowering software.
Most people don't care about playing flac/ogg, about shopping around in different music stores, manually organizing their music folders, etc. They just want to rip, buy, organize and play music and sync their iPods, and there's nothing that does all that with as little effort as iTunes.
I feel that if Ubuntu made it easier to change to well made themes...
How is System>>Preferences>>Appearance anything but easy?
You'll note he said "easier". A default theme that more people like is easiest. A picker during install is easier.
And, as we're talking about mass-market users here, a "System" menu is just about the scariest thing they can imagine. They don't see, "This is where you can customize your computer to just the way you want it. Have at it, you freedom-lovin' hacker-dude!" They see, "click the wrong button and you're fucked." Except all the buttons are in Chinese. And they don't read Chinese.