eh, you must have the graphics turned off in your browser, as my header for slashdot reads "news for nerds, stuff that matters". i can't think of anything more boring than link after link to linux articles, but that doesn't mean that an article that brings the reader inside what a virtual community is is thought provoking whatsoever to most of the readers here.
"I know, i'll make a post on/. about virtual communities and see if there's a book in it somehow."
in case you didn't notice, the reader IS ALREADY IN A VIRTUAL COMMUNITY HERE ON/. but i guess i didn't realize it until i read that article, woo hoo, i'm edumacated now.
sticks and stones can break my bones but i filter IGMP.
HERE is the definition of -generation-. I was using the word as it appears defined in definition 4b.
As far as assuming I am young based on my alleged stupidity, I will assume you're an asshole based on your post but realize that that may not be the case.
and the most important thing to me in production will not be the actors, nor the script, nor locations, talent, creativity, or anything else. I'm just excited that I can do rip-off Matrix-like visual effects under LINUX.
It already does. I'm a MS-centered developer and there are database access methods (I'm thinking of RDS - Remote Data Services) that can be done exclusively with IIS backend, IE frontend.
There's always the option of other browsers picking up this technology, but none have yet, to my knowledge anyway.
... that this doesn't make people want to go out and bomb federal buildings. If your postal mail was being critiqued to this point, or if a private citizen (or the ISP itself) was invading your email privacy like this w/o apology, there'd be hell to pay.
or have we all become so passive as to let this slide somehow?
Lawsuits over DeCSS and Napster - i'd love to see someone take this one on.
you're wrong about me, i'm afraid, and i wouldn't have any problem with just about any action someone had as long as (a) it wasn't against me personally (call me a selfish b*stard, but if someone burns down my house, no matter what the reason, i'm p1ssed) and (b) legal action and laws still apply. Even if the action is taken against me, i *do* have legal channels I can use to combat them. That's how it should be, IMHO. Everyone should be held accountable for their actions. And if the laws that cause punishment for these actions are wrong, then breaking them and bringing the discussion up can only help.
The Church of Scientology gets its way because it hides behind being a *church*, rather than being a business. Its more about money, power, and control than a real religion. Check out Operation Clambake. They also "win" cases due to their limitless source of funding in their membership. I hope some day the NRA, the Teamsters, and L Ron Hubbard's children get into a battle-royale with cheese and all end up broke.
In the hypothetical example of RU-486 pills getting destroyed, the people doing the destruction and the people that rightfully owned the pills would get their day in court, media coverage would consume the discourse and spit out whatever they felt like saying that day. I don't support the action as much as I support the end result, the discussion, and the final resolution in our society.
For the record, I'm male and don't think its any of my business what women do with their bodies. Destroy pills, have abortions, have babies. Decide for yourself.
Causing someone to suffer a DoS is, well, not my style. I don't really have the time, nor am I interested in being in a p1ssing match w/ anyone on who can wipe the other off the Internet quicker/bigger/with more media attention.
That doesn't change the fact that there *ARE* readers here that want to do exactly that. I'm speaking to them. RTMARK's experiments that push legal boundaries are very interesting to me. Just the fact that someone might read your reply and go visit the site makes me glad to be in this discussion with yet another Anonymous Coward.
I have to disagree with you, though, that these actions will, in the end, hurt the "little guy". What would probably end up happening, is that this (or another RTMARK sceme) is found out, the media descend on the situation, and no matter what the legal outcome, more people have heard of the project and contributed what they can, just by being aware and asking questions.
rtmark.com has done this in the past when they temporarily disabled the web sites of the Frankfurt Stock Exchange, the Pentagon, and Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo ( HERE)
DoS is more like trying to talk louder than you than taping your mouth shut; you're free to block the IPs that originate the traffic, call ISPs to get people shut down, however far you'd like to take things.
I've always considered a belief in DoS like a belief in the death penalty. Some people don't think that death is a valid punishment, no matter what the crime. However, there are others...
it is VERY necessary to have a place online to air grievances with companies, and companies are always invited to respond.
I have received letters from attorneys in the past for content from my site (don't ask, long story) and posting the emails word-for-word seemed to ensure that i never received anymore from them.
hmmm, if anyone wanted to DoS ewatch's network, it wouldn't bother me at all.
i hope this allows some artist to sue their own fans for copyright infringement. until then, this conversation will just keep going on until its tired. oh wait, its *already* tired.
TALK RADIO is definitely OLD media, but is probably the closest thing i can think of that has the same level of interactivity as NEW media. Sure, you can't really email Peter Jennings and expect him to read it or respond, but you sure can talk w/ Rush Limbaugh or some local talk show host if you don't mind pressing redial a bunch of times.
The main problem w/ Katz articles is that they don't say anything new. But then again, this is new media, and you get what you pay for.
Slashdot Mirror
blah, i wish i had a megabyte of memory for every 'chicken little' technology complaint. email, napster, virii, routers, shez...
eh, you must have the graphics turned off in your browser, as my header for slashdot reads "news for nerds, stuff that matters". i can't think of anything more boring than link after link to linux articles, but that doesn't mean that an article that brings the reader inside what a virtual community is is thought provoking whatsoever to most of the readers here.
/. about virtual communities and see if there's a book in it somehow."
/. but i guess i didn't realize it until i read that article, woo hoo, i'm edumacated now.
"I know, i'll make a post on
in case you didn't notice, the reader IS ALREADY IN A VIRTUAL COMMUNITY HERE ON
sticks and stones can break my bones but i filter IGMP.
i'd venture to say that most of the readers here LIVED the story he's recanting... either you were the high school student, or you were the biker.
but then again, commenting on a katz story is almost as self-serving as the katz story itself.
no more than taco bell.
see, its just like the microsoft one... oh wait, it only has one button, not 2 or 4 or 19 like the different microsoft choices. and no wheel.
tell me again why we hate microsoft? its the lack of choices, right?
HERE is the definition of -generation-. I was using the word as it appears defined in definition 4b.
As far as assuming I am young based on my alleged stupidity, I will assume you're an asshole based on your post but realize that that may not be the case.
and the most important thing to me in production will not be the actors, nor the script, nor locations, talent, creativity, or anything else. I'm just excited that I can do rip-off Matrix-like visual effects under LINUX.
Uh, did SLASHDOT read this article?
It already does. I'm a MS-centered developer and there are database access methods (I'm thinking of RDS - Remote Data Services) that can be done exclusively with IIS backend, IE frontend.
There's always the option of other browsers picking up this technology, but none have yet, to my knowledge anyway.
and is he trying to say he's old media or new? just because your words appear in slashdot doesn't make you part of this generation, bucko
(3 points and double word score for using the word bucko)
heh, you should learn to recognize a troll when you see one.
... that this doesn't make people want to go out and bomb federal buildings. If your postal mail was being critiqued to this point, or if a private citizen (or the ISP itself) was invading your email privacy like this w/o apology, there'd be hell to pay.
or have we all become so passive as to let this slide somehow?
Lawsuits over DeCSS and Napster - i'd love to see someone take this one on.
you're wrong about me, i'm afraid, and i wouldn't have any problem with just about any action someone had as long as (a) it wasn't against me personally (call me a selfish b*stard, but if someone burns down my house, no matter what the reason, i'm p1ssed) and (b) legal action and laws still apply. Even if the action is taken against me, i *do* have legal channels I can use to combat them. That's how it should be, IMHO. Everyone should be held accountable for their actions. And if the laws that cause punishment for these actions are wrong, then breaking them and bringing the discussion up can only help.
The Church of Scientology gets its way because it hides behind being a *church*, rather than being a business. Its more about money, power, and control than a real religion. Check out Operation Clambake. They also "win" cases due to their limitless source of funding in their membership. I hope some day the NRA, the Teamsters, and L Ron Hubbard's children get into a battle-royale with cheese and all end up broke.
In the hypothetical example of RU-486 pills getting destroyed, the people doing the destruction and the people that rightfully owned the pills would get their day in court, media coverage would consume the discourse and spit out whatever they felt like saying that day. I don't support the action as much as I support the end result, the discussion, and the final resolution in our society.
For the record, I'm male and don't think its any of my business what women do with their bodies. Destroy pills, have abortions, have babies. Decide for yourself.
Causing someone to suffer a DoS is, well, not my style. I don't really have the time, nor am I interested in being in a p1ssing match w/ anyone on who can wipe the other off the Internet quicker/bigger/with more media attention.
That doesn't change the fact that there *ARE* readers here that want to do exactly that. I'm speaking to them. RTMARK's experiments that push legal boundaries are very interesting to me. Just the fact that someone might read your reply and go visit the site makes me glad to be in this discussion with yet another Anonymous Coward.
I have to disagree with you, though, that these actions will, in the end, hurt the "little guy". What would probably end up happening, is that this (or another RTMARK sceme) is found out, the media descend on the situation, and no matter what the legal outcome, more people have heard of the project and contributed what they can, just by being aware and asking questions.
Sound like Napster? DeCSS? I wonder why...
rtmark.com has done this in the past when they temporarily disabled the web sites of the Frankfurt Stock Exchange, the Pentagon, and Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo ( HERE)
DoS is more like trying to talk louder than you than taping your mouth shut; you're free to block the IPs that originate the traffic, call ISPs to get people shut down, however far you'd like to take things.
I've always considered a belief in DoS like a belief in the death penalty. Some people don't think that death is a valid punishment, no matter what the crime. However, there are others...
i agree with your statement, but DoS is just another form of free speech.
*i* don't plan on launching any attacks on eWatch anytime soon, but if someone wants to gain some notoriety by taking them down, woo hoo.
ps - drlaura.com is also a valid target, AFAIC.
I'd love to see a court case where an employer sued a previous employee due to the content in their resume.
although, if a trained monkey like me can write it, i'm sure we'll be reading about it on here within a few weeks.
it is VERY necessary to have a place online to air grievances with companies, and companies are always invited to respond.
I have received letters from attorneys in the past for content from my site (don't ask, long story) and posting the emails word-for-word seemed to ensure that i never received anymore from them.
hmmm, if anyone wanted to DoS ewatch's network, it wouldn't bother me at all.
i'm just happy that katz wrote something that wasn't a movie review or a restatement of the obvious relating to a technology issue.
this is perfect katz territory, social commentary; where it doesn't take any level of knowledge or expertise to have an opinion.
a slashdot post that says 16 cell phones is excessive is on the same level as a post trying to relay that the sun is hot.
right on, don't tell me the mullet isn't coming back in style
my guess is that you'd have to file a case in court against her to find out the truth.
1999 will go down in history as the year your mom found out about the Internet.
and 2000 is the year that attorneys found out about it.
if its like any other sort of technological advance, well, if the hard work is done...ITS TIME TO SUE SOMEONE!
i hope this allows some artist to sue their own fans for copyright infringement. until then, this conversation will just keep going on until its tired. oh wait, its *already* tired.
TALK RADIO is definitely OLD media, but is probably the closest thing i can think of that has the same level of interactivity as NEW media. Sure, you can't really email Peter Jennings and expect him to read it or respond, but you sure can talk w/ Rush Limbaugh or some local talk show host if you don't mind pressing redial a bunch of times.
The main problem w/ Katz articles is that they don't say anything new. But then again, this is new media, and you get what you pay for.