the key word in your statement was patronage, that means they paid the artists because they happened to like what that artist created, and vice versa didn't pay any artist they didn't like, and didn't pay for the bad stuff even for the artists they did like, they got exactly what they paid for, nothing more or less, ie, tracks on an overpriced CD they don't like or didn't want in the first place (also the patrons set the price they wanted to pay the artists, not vice versa). but i knew someone was going to point that out, so i guess i should have talked about it in the previous post, but duties call.
i do understand your point but look at it this way for THOUSANDS of years art existed without Sony or time warner, or any other music/media conglomerate, and i would have to say that some mighty damn fine art, be it music, paintings, sculptures, etc, have been produced without the help of a corporation like sony music. Oh and your statement about free art being crappy art is total bullshit, i can from experience because i happen to be one of those people that produces free art, I create sketches, and occassionally paintings and sculptures, and everyone that sees what I produces compliments me on it, so don't tell me that free art is crappy art because it most certainly isn't. and think about it if artists weren't reimbursed for their music only the people that truly enjoyed it would do it, and we would weed out the Backstreet boys and britney spears and company, which most people, in this forum at least, probably agree with. so its a win-win situation for us.
well yes and no, the white tanks are reused but they can only be reused for a few times, after that they have to be scraped, but at least thats better than them not being reusable at all
yeah I have a friend that had a golden orb cooler, and it scratched his mobo when he took it off the cpu, and essentially ruined it, so he had to buy another one. I have a cooler master and it works just fine with my 800, no problems yet, it keeps the cpu temp down right in the middle of the max-min, so I am happy.
yeah they do weight that much, i have a friend who has a titanium sword and it weights 10 lbs easy, and its about 3 and a half feet long, now imagine the sword from braveheart which had to be five feet long at least, made of steel, not exacly the lightest metal. I know he had a couple of steel ones too although i don't remember what they weighed. trust me though 20-40 lbs is about on target. remember the type of metal used in the construction will dictate the weight.
yeah and what happens when the pencil breaks cause, you know they tend to do that every once in a while, and the "lead" gets caught in the CO2 scrubers, or the graphite particles get stuck in your eye or are accidentally swallowed. I can see that being bad, very bad, and seriously is 2 million dollars spent 30 years ago really that big of a deal today, the money has already been spent get over it, and they probably have made all the money back on the pens, because of people buying ones since then.
we couldn't set up an extraction plant on Mars, mainly because NASA has not found any evidence of hydrogen on mars, and until there is evidence of it, there couldn't be any extraction plants. That's why we would have to take the hydrogen with us.
the pioneer probes are not as far from earth as the voyager 1 probe, below are the statistic from the voyager and pioneer probes Voyager 1 top stat. Voyager 2 Distance from the Sun (Km) 11,445,000,000 8,987,000,000 Distance from the Sun (Mi) 7,111,000,000 5,584,000,000 Distance from the Earth (Km) 11,499,000,000 9,106,000,000 Distance from the Earth (Mi) 7,145,000,000 5,658,000,000 Total Distance Traveled Since Launch (Km) 13,251,000,000 12,465,000,000 Pioneer 10 Distance from Sun (1 February 2000): 74.46 AU Speed relative to the Sun: 12.24 km/sec (27,380 mph) Distance from Earth: 11.07 billion kilometers (6.879 billion miles) Round-trip Light Time: 20 hours 30 minutes Pioneer 11 Launched on 5 April 1973, Pioneer 11 followed its sister ship to Jupiter (1974), made the first direct observations of Saturn (1979) and studied energetic particles in the outer heliosphere. The Pioneer 11 Mission ended on 30 September 1995, when the last transmission from the spacecraft was received. Its electrical power source exhausted, the spacecraft could no longer operate any of its scientific instruments, nor point its antenna toward Earth. The spacecraft is headed toward the constellation of Aquila (The Eagle), Northwest of the constellation of Sagittarius. Pioneer 11 may pass near one of the stars in the constellation in about 4 million years. So you see the distance isn't the reason we can't track them, Pioneer 11 is "broken" and we still actively track Pioneer 10, and it is looking for the heliopause as well the voyagers. And yes I totally agree with you about finding the heliopause that will be the definitive answer in telling where the solar system ends. PS - the Pioneer info was updated on the first of feb this year, and the voyager stuff was updated on the fourth of this month. And all of this can be found at JPL's and Ames research centers web sites.
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There are only two reasons why we should be on the moon, and that is too mine both HE3 and minerals, and to set up a massive observatories. It is just not logical to set up a base on the moon, you would obviously have to set up some kind of hydroponics bay where ever you went, and that would not be a good idea on the moon. Things like solar flares and cosmic rays are not plants/humans friends, last time I checked the moon didn't have a radiation belt. Now mars doesn't either, something about its core being solid, but anyway its distance and its ATMOSPHERE protect quite a bit better. Speaking of atmosphere, this is another plus for a mars mission, the high quantity of CO2 in mars's atmosphere (like 97% I think) make it great for growing plants, just protect them from the cold, and you could have acres of wheat or corn on mars with just a thin layer of mylar as protection. Doesn't quite work like that on the moon, you have to construct some elaborate building that is designed to let light in but protect against radiation, kind of hard considering you would need many feet of glass. And don't even think about illuminating it artificially because power would be something that would be fairly scarcy in the begining. Ex. the amount of energy radiated down on one acre of crops in one hour is equvalent to the power output of the state of Rhode Island in that same hour. Artificial light is not the way.
People claim to want to go to the moon and use it as a stepping stone to get to mars, one problem, you have to get everything from the earth to the moon in the first place, and then get it from the moon to Mars, so in the end you end up wasting tons of energy, you could have saved on a direct trip to mars. And don't say you can mine the propellant on the moon, because HE3 is the only type of propellant we could get from the moon, and the only thing that is good for is fusion, not quite there yet.
Your comment about the assembling craft on the moon could, one day, come into play, because it would be much easier to build there than outer space, and much easier to launch than from earth. But you could do the same thing from mars to, and it has more of the types of minerals that would be neccesary from constuction of interplanetary ships than the moon, such as silicon for the comps, alluminum, and iron(for steel). There is titanium, but not as much as there in on earth.
Also on the moon you have to bring all of the oxygen you want to breathe with you, and all of the water you need to drink, on mars you don't just take both out of the CO2, although you will need to take some hydrogen (as in not a whole lot) to mars. And as the guy said after you, six days or six months, you decompress, in either situation your SOL. Even though you didn't talk about all of this stuff I felt the need to tell everyone on slashdot because there are some people on here how are just completely ignorant of everything space related (not neccesarily you).
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Do you even know what you are talking about, those technologies, have not only been proven they are also simple to make. Half the people on slashdot could make the vast majority of them without too much trouble. And having more gravity than the moon is not a bad thing, you want gravities that are comporable to earth's so the astronauts don't get bone and vascular failure (Martian gravity.33% of earth's, moon gravity.17% of earth's).
Of course the planet has weather patterns but the martian atmospheric pressure is minute compared to earth's so dust storms aren't as big of a problem as you might think, and its not like it is going to rain.
Another thing, people bitch about not wanting to risk astronauts lives to do this, well my friends, they aren't your lifes and you don't have the right to tell somebody that "there's some risk and so we don't want you to go". Goddamn, nothing ever gets done unless somebody is willing to put everything on the line, pussy-footing around didn't get us to the moon, or build the pyramids, or learn to fly, or anything else. Sometimes people have to die to see how something works. You say the future of space travel is at risk, I guess you don't remember challenger, or Apollo I then. I am pretty sure we still are going up into space, even after those. So if you are going to say something have some goddamn information to back it up, and read A Case for Mars. A Bugg
Actually there are two vehicles that with given some small modifications are more than capable for handling a mars mission payload, the Energia rocket, and the shuttle launcher minus the shuttle. Both of these could easliy break low earth orbit and transport 20-30 tons to mars. And we couldn't even use the Saturn 5 to launch anything, unless we could rework the one that's on its side at some space center, because they destroyed all of the blueprints to the saturn 5. SO to get another Saturn 5 they would have to reverse engineer it. And we do know enough about mars to know it has most of the things we need to survive (see my other post under yours). Read Robert Zubrin's A Case for Mars, it will explain everything.
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It would not cost a few hundred billion dollars to launch a mission to mars, in fact using Robert Zubrin's plan it would only cost 20 billion dollars to launch 4-6 people to the martian surface. This is supposing that NASA (government agancy) is the one that does it, because if a commercial company were to undertake it, then Zubrin slashes the price to 5-6 billion dollars (which is mostly because of red tape). And this is because we can find just about everything we need on the martian surface, oxygen-from CO2, silicon-from the rocks, aluminum and iron, water-evaporated from the soil, propellant-methane from the CO2 and hydrogen we bring. Mars has nearly everthing humans need to survive, so launching a battleship to transport everything is ludicrous, this is why most people think it is going to cost so much. So people it is not even as close to being as expensive as you think, and if your don't believe me just read Zubrin's A Case for Mars, its a really good book thats explains everything.
What's really going to bake your noodle later on is would you have still broken it if I hadn't said anything? -(Oracle) The Matrix
Well, if that's what's you think then you can fuck off, because I seem to remember a couple of wars about 55 and 85 years ago, oh yeah and that whole Korean conflict. All three of those wars we came to many country's rescue/aid (can you say Marshall Plan), and fought along side you (or against depends on where your from) to stop those cock sucking fascists(sp) from taking over the world. Do you like Nazi's, well jackass, do you think was responsible for turning the tide of WWII, England could have only held out against them for so much longer (this is no knock against England because they fought damn fine battle I might add at the Battle of Britain).
So I don't want to hear this turn your back on us crap. The US will come to the rescue of just about any country in the world, and don't try to say they wouldn't, they've done it before, and they'll do it again. The way I look at it we have saved this world twice this century, you like the freedom's you have (especially if you live anywhere in Europe) be glad we whooped Germany (twice) and Japan's asses. Even the people in those countries are better of now than they would have been had they won (What the hell is up with your last sentence, it makes absolutely no sense, you are a collection of our people.
Well, no shit every country is a collection of (insert country emigrated from here) people, 99% of the people on this planet emigrated from somewhere else, whether it was 1 year ago or 100,000 years ago, everywhere except the area around Ethiopia, where the modern human evolved from. But that's a totally different discussion.
Where exactly are you from? If it is anywhere in the Western Hemisphere you had to have come from somewhere else, and yes the native Americans came from Asia from 40,000 to 12,000 years ago. But what defines when a person is no longer an immigrant and a native born person, I was always under the impression it was the first generation of children born in the country. And then you say that this country is composed of traitors, how exactly do you figure that, when the vast majority of the people in the country emigrate here for more opportunities and better standards of living You anti-American people piss me off to no end, you bitch about how we are not really as good as we claim we are, you say our educational system sucks ass, our murder rate it too high (no argument here), we are arrogant pricks, we have a fucked up president (again no argument here), we have a cowardly army, etc.
Does everyone from other countries want to know why our educational systems score so low in comparison to other countries, it is because, now I don't know for sure if this is true for all countries but I know some for some of the countries it is true, Canada, Japan, China, France, maybe England, Russia, Australia, etc. All of these countries test their entire population of students and only select the best students and use their test score; they don't sample from the entire population. Argue with me if you want but I have read in the past that these countries do modify the scores. We don't, we use very last dumbass in figuring out our average test score.
Yes some of us are arrogant pricks, and I am no exception to this rule, I can get very nationalistic at times, like now. But so can most other person in the world.
This whole idea about us having a cowardly army is just ludicrous, you complain that we are too scared to fight you, so we use stealth technology and laser guided bombs and other technologies. Well you know what that sounds like, pure and simple envy. We have the best technology and you are pissed because you don't have it, or don't have enough money to develop it. It is not cowardice, it is intelligence, why send troops into a hostile area to take down a radar station when you can just launch a missile at it from 10 miles away. General Patton, I think, once said "no man ever won a war by dying for his country", I hope you can figure that one out for yourself, otherwise read the previous sentence.
In conclusion you ended your statement by saying that our people turned our backs on you, well I would have to say there is probably a good reason for that, I wonder what it could be, a little word that begins with FREE and ends in DOM, put it together and what's that spell, NOT YOU.
PS: That little part above doesn't pertain to places canada, australia, and western europe(at least today).
This could be the worst instance of flamebait I have ever seen, then again they could just be a total psychopath... yeah, I am going to have to agree with the psychopath theory.
PS: I don't like the G4's either, but you seem to have had just a little too much to drink, or not enough to think that.
I am not going to argue with you that there have been alot of people that claim to have not been religious that perpetrated some of this planets greatests atrocities, however some other quite famous atrocities have also been prepetrated in the name of "god". The crusades (tens of millions on both sides died in those), all three of the inquisitions (Papal, Spanish and Roman), the timeless feud going on in the middle east, the wars between India and Pakistan, the conversion/erradication of the Native Americans (by both the europeans and americans), England and Ireland, World War One (if you know anything about it you know the serbs started if by killing Duke Ferdinand, who was of a different religion, although religion wasn't the continuing aspect of the war it was the starter), the Balkans(Slobidan Milosovich(sp)), the KKK, Osama Bin Ladin, etc....
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Crusades - 15,000,000 conservative
Middle East - 1,000,000+
Native Americans - 30,000,000+ over the course of 350 years
England and Ireland - 1,000,000+
World War I - 13,000,000 military
India and Pakistan - 1,000,000 sounds about right
The Balkans - probably about 10,000,000 over the past 900 years
The KKK - maybe 100,000 but that might be high
Osama Bin Ladin - maybe 10,000
71 million and this is just in some of by some of the major religious figures of organizations. There are obviously many more when to take into a count random acts of murder that occur everyday somewhere in world. And yes, Stalin killed about 30,000,000 and Hitler about 6,000,000, and Pol Pot about 2,000,000, that is not quite 71 million. And I have seen sources, but I can't comment on their validity, that say that Hitler was a catholic, not atheistic. I know he was raised a catholic and whether or not he was a practicing Catholic, I am not sure.
What I am saying is that while the names you mentioned have most definatley committed heinous acts against their fellow countrymen and their neighbors. When you take the whole of history many more acts that have been attributed to organized religions for attacking another group for their convictions have been committed than soley by atheists.
In general the principals of religion are a good thing, morality is also a very good thing to have, however when put into the hands of people, who don't know exactly how to express their religious views to others tend to act violenty when confronted with an alterior view (although obviously this is not generally the case, I will give any given instance where religion is called into question a 1:4 chance of violence being committed). And no, I am not saying that you will go out and kill some person of a different religion because 1 in 4 will do it. The odds are high, not because one in four people will commit an act of violence but because there are people that do generally commit violence everytime their views are called into question which naturally increases the odds.
I know that some of the figures given in this statement are just approximations, but they are educated approximations, so don't quote me on them, but I knew the numbers for a good many of them (you just have to look for them) and they give you a reasonable estimate.
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(I don't want to offend anyone, or critize any given religion, I just think some numbers need to be set out on the table to provide for a more balanced discussion, and if you find links to places I/slashdotters can go and correct any misinformation I gave, reply and put a link up.)
The russians weren't the ones who first developed stealth, it was the germans during WWII, but Hitler didn't want to dedicate enough time and energy into it, so basically it got mothballed. Then the technology got lost for at least a decade until the americans or the russians found it, (not sure who was first, or the exact dates).
It's my WAY or the HIGHW..., wait a sec has this been done before ?
My theory on how this planet formed goes something like this:
1) This star system had at one time at least 2 planets(could have more than two right now, just can't see them). This planet and another smaller(yet still very large) rocky planet, let's say with 10 to 20 earth masses.
2) One of these planets had a slightly eliptical orbit that came fairly close, or even crossed into the other planets orbit. With the gas giant being the outer planet of the two.
3) Eventually after hundreds of millions of years orbiting each other, the gas giant and the rocky planet collided and this collision sent the gas giant hurtling in towards the sun. And what we see today is the remanents(sp) of those other two planets. This is a possible explaination of why there is silicon, magnesium, and oxygen.
It is possible for there to be oxygen on this planet and not contrast with its formation theories, the oxygen could be in the form of SiO2(silicon dioxide), or Mg2O3 (dimagnesium trioxide), etc.
A reason it might not have any hydrogen of helium(they don't believe so because it would be so easy to detect, but the planet must be imaged again to account for experimental error) is because with such large tidal fluctuations in a gas giant type of planet the more massive elemets are going to naturally be drawn to the sun by gravity and the lighter elements like helium and hydrogen are going to be forced to the exact opposite side of the planet, the side without the reflection of light. So obviously since the only way we detected it was through its light and that had to originate from the sun side of the planet, then naturally the heavier elements are going the be the ones we detect.
{P.S the earth doesm't work like this because we are 93 millions miles from the sun and not directly next to it.}
With an orbit of 3.3 days, temperatures that would seem to be in the thousands of degrees(at least), massive tidal fluctuations caused by its proximity to the sun, I would have to say there is a 99.99...% that no life exists on this planet.
But then again what do we know about how extra-terrestrials might look and have evolved.
--And the number of extra solar planets is much higher that anyone else has posted it is at a minimum of 17 or 18, as of the beginning of this year, and this number does not include pulsar planets.
All 1.4 million computers shipped in a whole year, wow, that only about 1.5% of the amount shipped in the US the year. So I don't want to hear this 1.4 million crap. Or this crap about "modern china", would this be the same modern china that was responsible for Tiennamen(sp) square. P.S And he meant 100,000 computer users who actually knew how to use the computers, not just had them as paper weights on their desks.
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well yes and no, the white tanks are reused but they can only be reused for a few times, after that they have to be scraped, but at least thats better than them not being reusable at all
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no arguement with the first half of your post, but come on you were fighting argentina, in basically a naval war, yeah they really stood a chance
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the pioneer probes are not as far from earth as the voyager 1 probe, below are the statistic from the voyager and pioneer probes Voyager 1 top stat. Voyager 2 Distance from the Sun (Km) 11,445,000,000 8,987,000,000 Distance from the Sun (Mi) 7,111,000,000 5,584,000,000 Distance from the Earth (Km) 11,499,000,000 9,106,000,000 Distance from the Earth (Mi) 7,145,000,000 5,658,000,000 Total Distance Traveled Since Launch (Km) 13,251,000,000 12,465,000,000 Pioneer 10 Distance from Sun (1 February 2000): 74.46 AU Speed relative to the Sun: 12.24 km/sec (27,380 mph) Distance from Earth: 11.07 billion kilometers (6.879 billion miles) Round-trip Light Time: 20 hours 30 minutes Pioneer 11 Launched on 5 April 1973, Pioneer 11 followed its sister ship to Jupiter (1974), made the first direct observations of Saturn (1979) and studied energetic particles in the outer heliosphere. The Pioneer 11 Mission ended on 30 September 1995, when the last transmission from the spacecraft was received. Its electrical power source exhausted, the spacecraft could no longer operate any of its scientific instruments, nor point its antenna toward Earth. The spacecraft is headed toward the constellation of Aquila (The Eagle), Northwest of the constellation of Sagittarius. Pioneer 11 may pass near one of the stars in the constellation in about 4 million years. So you see the distance isn't the reason we can't track them, Pioneer 11 is "broken" and we still actively track Pioneer 10, and it is looking for the heliopause as well the voyagers. And yes I totally agree with you about finding the heliopause that will be the definitive answer in telling where the solar system ends. PS - the Pioneer info was updated on the first of feb this year, and the voyager stuff was updated on the fourth of this month. And all of this can be found at JPL's and Ames research centers web sites.
People claim to want to go to the moon and use it as a stepping stone to get to mars, one problem, you have to get everything from the earth to the moon in the first place, and then get it from the moon to Mars, so in the end you end up wasting tons of energy, you could have saved on a direct trip to mars. And don't say you can mine the propellant on the moon, because HE3 is the only type of propellant we could get from the moon, and the only thing that is good for is fusion, not quite there yet.
Your comment about the assembling craft on the moon could, one day, come into play, because it would be much easier to build there than outer space, and much easier to launch than from earth. But you could do the same thing from mars to, and it has more of the types of minerals that would be neccesary from constuction of interplanetary ships than the moon, such as silicon for the comps, alluminum, and iron(for steel). There is titanium, but not as much as there in on earth.
Also on the moon you have to bring all of the oxygen you want to breathe with you, and all of the water you need to drink, on mars you don't just take both out of the CO2, although you will need to take some hydrogen (as in not a whole lot) to mars. And as the guy said after you, six days or six months, you decompress, in either situation your SOL. Even though you didn't talk about all of this stuff I felt the need to tell everyone on slashdot because there are some people on here how are just completely ignorant of everything space related (not neccesarily you).
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Of course the planet has weather patterns but the martian atmospheric pressure is minute compared to earth's so dust storms aren't as big of a problem as you might think, and its not like it is going to rain.
Another thing, people bitch about not wanting to risk astronauts lives to do this, well my friends, they aren't your lifes and you don't have the right to tell somebody that "there's some risk and so we don't want you to go". Goddamn, nothing ever gets done unless somebody is willing to put everything on the line, pussy-footing around didn't get us to the moon, or build the pyramids, or learn to fly, or anything else. Sometimes people have to die to see how something works. You say the future of space travel is at risk, I guess you don't remember challenger, or Apollo I then. I am pretty sure we still are going up into space, even after those. So if you are going to say something have some goddamn information to back it up, and read A Case for Mars. A Bugg
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What's really going to bake your noodle later on is would you have still broken it if I hadn't said anything? -(Oracle) The Matrix
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So I don't want to hear this turn your back on us crap. The US will come to the rescue of just about any country in the world, and don't try to say they wouldn't, they've done it before, and they'll do it again. The way I look at it we have saved this world twice this century, you like the freedom's you have (especially if you live anywhere in Europe) be glad we whooped Germany (twice) and Japan's asses. Even the people in those countries are better of now than they would have been had they won (What the hell is up with your last sentence, it makes absolutely no sense, you are a collection of our people.
Well, no shit every country is a collection of (insert country emigrated from here) people, 99% of the people on this planet emigrated from somewhere else, whether it was 1 year ago or 100,000 years ago, everywhere except the area around Ethiopia, where the modern human evolved from. But that's a totally different discussion.
Where exactly are you from? If it is anywhere in the Western Hemisphere you had to have come from somewhere else, and yes the native Americans came from Asia from 40,000 to 12,000 years ago. But what defines when a person is no longer an immigrant and a native born person, I was always under the impression it was the first generation of children born in the country. And then you say that this country is composed of traitors, how exactly do you figure that, when the vast majority of the people in the country emigrate here for more opportunities and better standards of living You anti-American people piss me off to no end, you bitch about how we are not really as good as we claim we are, you say our educational system sucks ass, our murder rate it too high (no argument here), we are arrogant pricks, we have a fucked up president (again no argument here), we have a cowardly army, etc.
Does everyone from other countries want to know why our educational systems score so low in comparison to other countries, it is because, now I don't know for sure if this is true for all countries but I know some for some of the countries it is true, Canada, Japan, China, France, maybe England, Russia, Australia, etc. All of these countries test their entire population of students and only select the best students and use their test score; they don't sample from the entire population. Argue with me if you want but I have read in the past that these countries do modify the scores. We don't, we use very last dumbass in figuring out our average test score.
Yes some of us are arrogant pricks, and I am no exception to this rule, I can get very nationalistic at times, like now. But so can most other person in the world.
This whole idea about us having a cowardly army is just ludicrous, you complain that we are too scared to fight you, so we use stealth technology and laser guided bombs and other technologies. Well you know what that sounds like, pure and simple envy. We have the best technology and you are pissed because you don't have it, or don't have enough money to develop it. It is not cowardice, it is intelligence, why send troops into a hostile area to take down a radar station when you can just launch a missile at it from 10 miles away. General Patton, I think, once said "no man ever won a war by dying for his country", I hope you can figure that one out for yourself, otherwise read the previous sentence.
In conclusion you ended your statement by saying that our people turned our backs on you, well I would have to say there is probably a good reason for that, I wonder what it could be, a little word that begins with FREE and ends in DOM, put it together and what's that spell, NOT YOU.
PS: That little part above doesn't pertain to places canada, australia, and western europe(at least today).
PS: I don't like the G4's either, but you seem to have had just a little too much to drink, or not enough to think that.
Tally (est.)
Crusades - 15,000,000 conservative
Middle East - 1,000,000+
Native Americans - 30,000,000+ over the course of 350 years
England and Ireland - 1,000,000+
World War I - 13,000,000 military
India and Pakistan - 1,000,000 sounds about right
The Balkans - probably about 10,000,000 over the past 900 years
The KKK - maybe 100,000 but that might be high
Osama Bin Ladin - maybe 10,000
71 million and this is just in some of by some of the major religious figures of organizations. There are obviously many more when to take into a count random acts of murder that occur everyday somewhere in world. And yes, Stalin killed about 30,000,000 and Hitler about 6,000,000, and Pol Pot about 2,000,000, that is not quite 71 million. And I have seen sources, but I can't comment on their validity, that say that Hitler was a catholic, not atheistic. I know he was raised a catholic and whether or not he was a practicing Catholic, I am not sure.
What I am saying is that while the names you mentioned have most definatley committed heinous acts against their fellow countrymen and their neighbors. When you take the whole of history many more acts that have been attributed to organized religions for attacking another group for their convictions have been committed than soley by atheists.
In general the principals of religion are a good thing, morality is also a very good thing to have, however when put into the hands of people, who don't know exactly how to express their religious views to others tend to act violenty when confronted with an alterior view (although obviously this is not generally the case, I will give any given instance where religion is called into question a 1:4 chance of violence being committed). And no, I am not saying that you will go out and kill some person of a different religion because 1 in 4 will do it. The odds are high, not because one in four people will commit an act of violence but because there are people that do generally commit violence everytime their views are called into question which naturally increases the odds.
I know that some of the figures given in this statement are just approximations, but they are educated approximations, so don't quote me on them, but I knew the numbers for a good many of them (you just have to look for them) and they give you a reasonable estimate.
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(I don't want to offend anyone, or critize any given religion, I just think some numbers need to be set out on the table to provide for a more balanced discussion, and if you find links to places I/slashdotters can go and correct any misinformation I gave, reply and put a link up.)
It's my WAY or the HIGHW..., wait a sec has this been done before ?
A Bugg
1) This star system had at one time at least 2 planets(could have more than two right now, just can't see them). This planet and another smaller(yet still very large) rocky planet, let's say with 10 to 20 earth masses.
2) One of these planets had a slightly eliptical orbit that came fairly close, or even crossed into the other planets orbit. With the gas giant being the outer planet of the two.
3) Eventually after hundreds of millions of years orbiting each other, the gas giant and the rocky planet collided and this collision sent the gas giant hurtling in towards the sun. And what we see today is the remanents(sp) of those other two planets. This is a possible explaination of why there is silicon, magnesium, and oxygen.
It is possible for there to be oxygen on this planet and not contrast with its formation theories, the oxygen could be in the form of SiO2(silicon dioxide), or Mg2O3 (dimagnesium trioxide), etc.
A reason it might not have any hydrogen of helium(they don't believe so because it would be so easy to detect, but the planet must be imaged again to account for experimental error) is because with such large tidal fluctuations in a gas giant type of planet the more massive elemets are going to naturally be drawn to the sun by gravity and the lighter elements like helium and hydrogen are going to be forced to the exact opposite side of the planet, the side without the reflection of light. So obviously since the only way we detected it was through its light and that had to originate from the sun side of the planet, then naturally the heavier elements are going the be the ones we detect.
{P.S the earth doesm't work like this because we are 93 millions miles from the sun and not directly next to it.}
With an orbit of 3.3 days, temperatures that would seem to be in the thousands of degrees(at least), massive tidal fluctuations caused by its proximity to the sun, I would have to say there is a 99.99...% that no life exists on this planet.
But then again what do we know about how extra-terrestrials might look and have evolved.
--And the number of extra solar planets is much higher that anyone else has posted it is at a minimum of 17 or 18, as of the beginning of this year, and this number does not include pulsar planets.
--A. Bugg--
All 1.4 million computers shipped in a whole year, wow, that only about 1.5% of the amount shipped in the US the year. So I don't want to hear this 1.4 million crap. Or this crap about "modern china", would this be the same modern china that was responsible for Tiennamen(sp) square. P.S And he meant 100,000 computer users who actually knew how to use the computers, not just had them as paper weights on their desks.