I think you're going to end up with two machines on your table. I have worked in such environments - its not uncommon in large firms.
One is the "officecommunication" machine - there's Powerpoint and Word, all nicely locked down. The other one is managed by your department (not those central it drones), networked in its own vlan, and may or may not even have separate internet connectivity.
And of course, after some tiome, there will be guerilla connectivity between those networks.
When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then, Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church--and there was nobody left to be concerned. In Congressional Record 14 October (1968), p. 31636 (often quoted in the form 'In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...' and so on)
Well, after reading about 2/3 of the messages, I'm utterly frustrated. You folks babble about every nonsens imagineable and engage in pointless debates if that stuff can be broken. As if that mattererd at all !
If you guys over there don't start doing something they will own you. Huhuuh ? Anybody awake there ? Sue them, kill them, vote their friends out of office, whatever. But godamned, do something! Don't squabble on slashdot.
Regardless, I don't see why Lutris can't revoke rights they have given gratuitously.
If I give you a piece of bread, and say "This is a gift. Use it to your liking", can I come later and ask a price for that bread, once you have eaten it ?
Common sense doesn't count for squat in court. What is your argument in law?
The court is the servant of the people. Common sense is what keeps society working. If what you say is actually right courts better start remembering what their role is.
*sigh* Not only that but apparently, judging from your phrases...
nor did they enter into a formal "will code for distribution rights" agreement [...] there's no contract here, so you can't get Lutris for breach [...] referring to the idea of equitable estoppel, but the tests for that to apply [...] live in different jurisdictions [...]
... you are already drifting to the dark side. You begin to confuse reality with sophistic word games.
They promised the thing with free distribution rights. Nobody is arguing to sue them - the question is if they have a argument if they sue you for illegal distribution.
A few companies will be able to continue their service, Qwest (I hope) and a few others.
Well... it depends.
The problem is that the US has a strange mixture of cutting edge technology and an incredibly lousy track record in deploying infrastructure based on it.
The US phone system is essentially based on a customer interface popularized half a century ago. US phone companies have botched ISDN completely. Their residential copper networks are nearly proverbial for badly managed, chaotic, technically third class copper wires.
Take mobile phones - while everybody has one, the system at large is a joke, with receiver-pays billing, in-country roaming, incompatible systems, lack of standards and so on.
The problem can be seen elswhere. Public transportation is a good example. Except for a few cities with strong traditions or thinking administrations hardly a US city can compare to even modest sized european cities in terms of public transportation.
There are probably other examples as well.
IMO the US telcos just deployed DSL to networks they should have replaced 20 years ago, and bsed on voice technolgy they should have replaced 10 years ago.
Already today, carriers probably pay more infrastructure costs for dial-in users than they pay for DSL. The only problem is they all sit on old voice technology that makes providing DSL much more expensive than it has to be.
So, in a few years, expect IP-over-Voice to be an expensive luxury.
Cringely just has no clue about the technologies involved.
If this is correct, MAPS is dead, effectively today. What this suit has proven that you can strongarm MAPS into submission by suing them. From now on that is exactly what every affected spammer will do.
MAPS's success has always rested on their perceived strength. Now, nobody will listen to them any more.
I don't care for those whiners that complain that one of their spam tolerating buddies got busted by MAPS. They can just get lost.
But nonetheless, MAPS decision to settle was wrong. Even if they were afraid to loose in court, they should have accepted it and gone under fighting, instead of submitting to the The Enemy.
I agree. Suse is the most bloated Linux distro I ever saw.
What is worse, its whole look, think and feel is so incredibly 'microsoftian' it really hurts. Config change ? Fire up Yast, change settings, reboot.
I live in Geramny, Suse is kinda 'default' Linux here - everyone has it. Every now and then i get asked for help with someone's Suse - both in the office and privately. The empty stare of those Suse users when you tell them something utterly simple is so incredibly frustrating.
These are people administrating Suse Linux systems (even professionally) who have never ever heard of a route command, don't know netstat or ifconfig, you name it. Recently one of these guys actually aked me how to reset a password for one of his users on his multiuser Suse box - he didnt find that function in Yast. I showed him passwd - he was mightily impressed.
Then, there's Yast. When you get called to do something on a Suse box, just refuse. Whatever changes you make, be confident that Yast will erase them immediately after. Yast overwrites essential config files on a whim, run piles of unecessary scripts at random and will just generally behave badly. Yes, I know there are arcane settings in obscure config files that can prevent Yast from touching certain areas of the system - but if you aren't a Suse buff, you don't know them - and the Suse buff who called you for help surely doesn't know them as well. He usually doesn't even know they exist, and probably doesn't even understand what you are talking about when you ask for them.
To sum it up, Suse is founder, chief sponsor and president of the League For The Dumbing Down Of The Linux Using Masses. And they are successfull there.
This is not just some industry boss having lost his mind.
Another greedy industry bought some politicians. The openness of bribery and shameless self-serving legislative activity in US politics continues to amaze me.
If you Americans dont get to fixing your political system real soon, you will not have any democracy left worth defending, soon enough.
Maybe you like the idea of a Nazi Germany type police state presence where everybody has to show
their papers or get arrested.
The funny thing is, that this is still the case here in Germany. We have a mandatory ID card ("Personalausweis" IIRC (re-)instated after the war by the US occupation forces) and it's not really a big deal. But you definitely can be detained for determination of your identity by the police when you are found not to carry it with you - though they usually don't do that - too much paperwork. And you will pay some kind of ticket for that.
And, the ID card actually has real benefits. No silly games with SSN numbers. No Identity theft. More security at daily transaction stuff (your bank can and occasioanlly will ask for it; as does the post office when you pick up a parcel). All that makes life worse for little thieves, imposters and the like. A good thing, IMO. No, of course it doesn't stop terrorists per se. But an ID card, together with a uniform citizen registration system, makes law enforcement work easier with the simple tasks.
Another nice thing about that ID card, btw, is that it serves as passport to numerous European countries; basically weherever we can go without a visum, we can thake the ID card.
Of course we combine that ID card with strong privacy laws. And - against numerous whishes of our US friends - we still stick to it.
Ellison is right, IMO. Despite no ID card, privacy in the US is in much worse shape than in most parts of Europe. The Privacy a nonexisting ID card gives you is mostly an illusion.
As for him giving the software away, that's actually a no-brainer. Aside from priceless propaganda, he will get rich from maintanance contracts.
I really don't think it would look too good for the cause to try and prosecute a GPL violator
That depends on what "the cause" is in your eyes.
under laws that only exist because of the DMCA. (Copyright was civil law prior to the DMCA, wasn't it?)
No. Software Piracy has been subject to criminal proceedings before that. (I found a reference to 17 U.S.C. 506; IANAL) When they caught that MIT student (LaMacchia, IIRC) runing a warez BBS on the university computer a few year ago they even changed the laws to punish copyright violations without monetary gain when it exceeded a certain (comparatively small) amount of "damage" ("No Electronic Theft Act").
They aren't "distributing" the code in the manner you imply. They are simply using it in some black box machine.
Irrelevant. The sell the machine, the software is in there. So they distribute the software. If distribution of em,bedded code was not subject to copyright restrictions, no embedded systems company would make a buck.
Jon, there is no such thing as a new reality. Reality has always been the same. It is this reality we've seen in Europe, rarely but occasionally, in not so distant past, and it's the daily reality of people in countries like India, Israel, Sri Lanka, and a bunch of other less public places.
The only thing that changed is that that strange USian dream of beeing somhow isolated from all that has been scratched substantially. So, hello and welcome to the club, but given the grim circumstances, we're not really glad to see you here now.
What does that mean ? Well, the real challenge for a democracy is not compromising on their principles because of it.
Another thing is really asking yourself about your relation to the rest of the world. Unfortunately the US morals and principles all too often sharply end at your borders. Outsiders are, in any way, "fair game" - in the worst meaning of this term. For many people in third world countries, the United States simply is the oppressor. American companies with very close ties to the White House can get away with mass murder, can deprive thousands of terminally ill people of their needed medicine (ironically the companies suing here are from all western states, but only the US government is openly threatening the affected third-world-countries) - just to name two examples in a list that could be enhanced for pages.
Essentially, the US is openly beeing a Bad World Citizen, World schoolyard Bully, and is openly saying that rules are there for others to obey, not for them. Even when they right, the tone and habit often prevents them from effectively reaching the intended audience.
Instead we see a US that is only and exclusively bothered by its own interests, and puts most moral asisde as soon as its economic or strategical matters are affected. And you even have the chuzpah to claim moral superiority when doing that - this hypocrisy probably inflames people more than the actual policy it concerns. You run around and preach about reducing government corruption - while sufficient large companies can buy just about any law in DC (I don't even start debating presidential elections). You run around preaching about environmental issues - while you are the worst offender in most categories there. You have the incredible audacity to run around and preach about human rights while you put thirteen year olds to prison for life, juveniles onto death row and have more people per capita in your prisons than just about any fucking police state.
If there is a war for the hearts and the minds of the world, you are loosing it. Big time.
So what's the new reality here ? The new reality is that an utterly delusional US of A got slightly tighter grip to the "real" reality out there. Yes, the US will go after Bin Laden and his cronies - finally, I might say, as you have practically grown and financed him for years. And yes, there will be major action against Afghanistan and maybe a few others, and numerous innocent people will loose their life. This is the way the internatinal power play works, and it's probably a necessity. But will you also learn from it ? Will the US change its habits, alter ist ways ?
This is the real "new reality". You got more insights. You can learn. Improve.
The fact is that a well-organized group of
commandos, sponsored by some coalition of
militant organizations or governments, chose
to kill and destroy on a scale without historical comparison, even in the midst of war.
Sorry ? You're kidding, are you ?
The dubious honour of having killed most people in one day, is held by your very own wonderful country. In Hiroshima you finished off between 100,000 and 150,000 civilians alone (nobody knows for sure). You of course you also hold rank 2, with Nagasaki, where you rid the world of only 50,000 - 100,000 civilians - all in the name of good, of course. Compared to that good old Usama, or Saddam, or whoever, are bloody amateurs (though they certainly show competitive zeal). The 5000 to 10,000 civilians they killed rank well below your finest "conventional" hours as well - bombing nights where the mighty US air force unleashed hell upon its targets in large organized raids. Dresden comes to mind, where the number of killed civilians you see quoted varies wildly, between 30,000 and 300,000 (again, nobody knows for sure).
So, to make a long story short, Yes, it was a crime. Yes, far too many people where killed. Yes, it was horrible.
But, no, it was not unique, and no, you should better avoid styling yourself the victim of a new holocaust.
And, above all, no, it is by no means an excuse to stop using your brain.
Pimple faced teen age script kiddy stands up. Gulps
Judge: Defendant, you have already been found guilty of numerous crimes. You will now hear your sentence.
You DOSed ebay and other cool and great web sites. By doing this you broke a gazillion of laws, and caused damage worth piles of dolares. For this you will pay dearly: 8 months is the slammer, and another year of probation
Pimple faced teenage, stuttering: Your honour, tha...
Judge (loud and harsh): I have not finished!
Judge (now seemingly normal again):
You called yourself a hacker: 2 Months.
You used hacking software: another 3 Months.
You could not explain to us what exactly this hacking software did: add 3 more.
You did not have the source code of this hacking software: 2 more
And when we gave you the source code for it, you were unable to compile it.: count another 2
Now the judge's voice, increasingly shaky, is overwhelmed with disgust:
You weren't even able to program and run a "hello world" program in C when we asked you to. another month
not even after agent Hunzinger explained the printf syntax to you: 2 more
The judge gets his voice under control again. The next point is read with the usual monotony:
You ratted on your friends: 1 more
your friends had lots of cool "warez" they said they got from you: another 6, one of these together with a lawyer from the SPA.
But none of your "hacker" friends could use a compiler, either: 3 more
Only one of them even had something remotely resembling a compiler. 2 months.
that was a hacked version of visual basic; stored in an subdirectory with the name "warez for dad". 1 month.
You used some useless kind of encryption in your email and while chatting: 2 months
the agent reading these had to write an sed script to decrypt them, replaing all the 1 with i, the 3s with e, most z with s, and so on. He was so bored the state had to give him compensation for extraordinary job harshness. Another month.
you bragged about your crimes: 2 months
you bragged about your crimes where everybody could read you: 2 more months
you bragged about your crimes in a way we could trace you back...: 3 months
...easily!: 1 more month
the judge is slowly increasing volume, and vigor
you had evidence of your crimes on your computer: another 2
unencrypted...: 1 more
... and in a subdirectory called "hacking logs" ! makes 3 more
you are sorry little cretin...: 1 more
your presence pesters the air and my stomach: 1 month
you have the intellectual capaciity of a young spinach plant: 1 month.
And....
Now the judge yells outright
... you did not even add up the fucking number of fucking months I'm sending you to the fucking slammer ! Did you ?
Shocked silence in the courtroom. The defendant tries to say something, but gives up. Finally, he slowly shakes his head, looking firmly at the floor
Judge, now at normal speach: Well. That additional 4 months now gets us up to a nice round 5 years. Now someone move that vegetable to the spinach plant!
A sharp look to the small weaseling guy in a suit next to pimpleface: Lawyers, don't even think of an appeal. We neither discussed his beeing caught while using Microsoft Windows, nor his knowing at least 5 MCSEs.
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I think you're going to end up with two machines on your table. I have worked in such environments - its not uncommon in large firms.
One is the "officecommunication" machine - there's Powerpoint and Word, all nicely locked down. The other one is managed by your department (not those central it drones), networked in its own vlan, and may or may not even have separate internet connectivity.
And of course, after some tiome, there will be guerilla connectivity between those networks.
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Quoting your .sig
.... care to explain why you classify a legal way to avoid the draft for Europeans as slavery ?
Slavery in Europe [zivildienst.at]
Talking of Civil Liberties
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That quote is wrong, too.
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Well, after reading about 2/3 of the messages, I'm utterly frustrated. You folks babble about every nonsens imagineable and engage in pointless debates if that stuff can be broken. As if that mattererd at all !
If you guys over there don't start doing something they will own you. Huhuuh ? Anybody awake there ? Sue them, kill them, vote their friends out of office, whatever. But godamned, do something! Don't squabble on slashdot.
Appaled,
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Not necessarily true. Forte could use some APIs that oare only available on Windows. BOOM - no Mac, no Unix.
May they rot in hell.
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If I understood the article correctly, they block all other pop3 services. So it's their pop3 or no pop3.
May they rot in hell.
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They promised the thing with free distribution rights. Nobody is arguing to sue them - the question is if they have a argument if they sue you for illegal distribution.
Common sense says they don't.
f.
Well... it depends.
The problem is that the US has a strange mixture of cutting edge technology and an incredibly lousy track record in deploying infrastructure based on it.
The US phone system is essentially based on a customer interface popularized half a century ago. US phone companies have botched ISDN completely. Their residential copper networks are nearly proverbial for badly managed, chaotic, technically third class copper wires.
Take mobile phones - while everybody has one, the system at large is a joke, with receiver-pays billing, in-country roaming, incompatible systems, lack of standards and so on.
The problem can be seen elswhere. Public transportation is a good example. Except for a few cities with strong traditions or thinking administrations hardly a US city can compare to even modest sized european cities in terms of public transportation.
There are probably other examples as well.
IMO the US telcos just deployed DSL to networks they should have replaced 20 years ago, and bsed on voice technolgy they should have replaced 10 years ago.
f.
DSL is a technical necessity.
Already today, carriers probably pay more infrastructure costs for dial-in users than they pay for DSL. The only problem is they all sit on old voice technology that makes providing DSL much more expensive than it has to be.
So, in a few years, expect IP-over-Voice to be an expensive luxury.
Cringely just has no clue about the technologies involved.
f.
If this is correct, MAPS is dead, effectively today. What this suit has proven that you can strongarm MAPS into submission by suing them. From now on that is exactly what every affected spammer will do.
MAPS's success has always rested on their perceived strength. Now, nobody will listen to them any more.
I don't care for those whiners that complain that one of their spam tolerating buddies got busted by MAPS. They can just get lost.
But nonetheless, MAPS decision to settle was wrong. Even if they were afraid to loose in court, they should have accepted it and gone under fighting, instead of submitting to the The Enemy.
Die, Spammer Die !
f.
I agree. Suse is the most bloated Linux distro I ever saw.
What is worse, its whole look, think and feel is so incredibly 'microsoftian' it really hurts. Config change ? Fire up Yast, change settings, reboot.
I live in Geramny, Suse is kinda 'default' Linux here - everyone has it. Every now and then i get asked for help with someone's Suse - both in the office and privately. The empty stare of those Suse users when you tell them something utterly simple is so incredibly frustrating.
These are people administrating Suse Linux systems (even professionally) who have never ever heard of a route command, don't know netstat or ifconfig, you name it. Recently one of these guys actually aked me how to reset a password for one of his users on his multiuser Suse box - he didnt find that function in Yast. I showed him passwd - he was mightily impressed.
Then, there's Yast. When you get called to do something on a Suse box, just refuse. Whatever changes you make, be confident that Yast will erase them immediately after. Yast overwrites essential config files on a whim, run piles of unecessary scripts at random and will just generally behave badly. Yes, I know there are arcane settings in obscure config files that can prevent Yast from touching certain areas of the system - but if you aren't a Suse buff, you don't know them - and the Suse buff who called you for help surely doesn't know them as well. He usually doesn't even know they exist, and probably doesn't even understand what you are talking about when you ask for them.
To sum it up, Suse is founder, chief sponsor and president of the League For The Dumbing Down Of The Linux Using Masses. And they are successfull there.
f.
This is not just some industry boss having lost his mind.
Another greedy industry bought some politicians. The openness of bribery and shameless self-serving legislative activity in US politics continues to amaze me. If you Americans dont get to fixing your political system real soon, you will not have any democracy left worth defending, soon enough.
f.
And, the ID card actually has real benefits. No silly games with SSN numbers. No Identity theft. More security at daily transaction stuff (your bank can and occasioanlly will ask for it; as does the post office when you pick up a parcel). All that makes life worse for little thieves, imposters and the like. A good thing, IMO. No, of course it doesn't stop terrorists per se. But an ID card, together with a uniform citizen registration system, makes law enforcement work easier with the simple tasks.
Another nice thing about that ID card, btw, is that it serves as passport to numerous European countries; basically weherever we can go without a visum, we can thake the ID card.
Of course we combine that ID card with strong privacy laws. And - against numerous whishes of our US friends - we still stick to it.
Ellison is right, IMO. Despite no ID card, privacy in the US is in much worse shape than in most parts of Europe. The Privacy a nonexisting ID card gives you is mostly an illusion.
As for him giving the software away, that's actually a no-brainer. Aside from priceless propaganda, he will get rich from maintanance contracts.
f.
That depends on what "the cause" is in your eyes.
No. Software Piracy has been subject to criminal proceedings before that. (I found a reference to 17 U.S.C. 506; IANAL) When they caught that MIT student (LaMacchia, IIRC) runing a warez BBS on the university computer a few year ago they even changed the laws to punish copyright violations without monetary gain when it exceeded a certain (comparatively small) amount of "damage" ("No Electronic Theft Act").
f.
They aren't "distributing" the code in the manner you imply. They are simply using it in some black box machine.
Irrelevant. The sell the machine, the software is in there. So they distribute the software. If distribution of em,bedded code was not subject to copyright restrictions, no embedded systems company would make a buck.
f.
This is completely irrelevant. If you distribute it, you have to provide sources. Full Stop. End of Discussion.
f.
A thought: copyright violation is not only a civil but a criminal matter. Why not document the thing and get the authorities involved ?
After all, this was large scale unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material for commercial gain. Inst that a textbook case ?
f.
*Sigh*
Jon, there is no such thing as a new reality. Reality has always been the same. It is this reality we've seen in Europe, rarely but occasionally, in not so distant past, and it's the daily reality of people in countries like India, Israel, Sri Lanka, and a bunch of other less public places.
The only thing that changed is that that strange USian dream of beeing somhow isolated from all that has been scratched substantially. So, hello and welcome to the club, but given the grim circumstances, we're not really glad to see you here now.
What does that mean ? Well, the real challenge for a democracy is not compromising on their principles because of it.
Another thing is really asking yourself about your relation to the rest of the world. Unfortunately the US morals and principles all too often sharply end at your borders. Outsiders are, in any way, "fair game" - in the worst meaning of this term. For many people in third world countries, the United States simply is the oppressor. American companies with very close ties to the White House can get away with mass murder, can deprive thousands of terminally ill people of their needed medicine (ironically the companies suing here are from all western states, but only the US government is openly threatening the affected third-world-countries) - just to name two examples in a list that could be enhanced for pages.
Essentially, the US is openly beeing a Bad World Citizen, World schoolyard Bully, and is openly saying that rules are there for others to obey, not for them. Even when they right, the tone and habit often prevents them from effectively reaching the intended audience.
Instead we see a US that is only and exclusively bothered by its own interests, and puts most moral asisde as soon as its economic or strategical matters are affected. And you even have the chuzpah to claim moral superiority when doing that - this hypocrisy probably inflames people more than the actual policy it concerns. You run around and preach about reducing government corruption - while sufficient large companies can buy just about any law in DC (I don't even start debating presidential elections). You run around preaching about environmental issues - while you are the worst offender in most categories there. You have the incredible audacity to run around and preach about human rights while you put thirteen year olds to prison for life, juveniles onto death row and have more people per capita in your prisons than just about any fucking police state.
If there is a war for the hearts and the minds of the world, you are loosing it. Big time.
So what's the new reality here ? The new reality is that an utterly delusional US of A got slightly tighter grip to the "real" reality out there. Yes, the US will go after Bin Laden and his cronies - finally, I might say, as you have practically grown and financed him for years. And yes, there will be major action against Afghanistan and maybe a few others, and numerous innocent people will loose their life. This is the way the internatinal power play works, and it's probably a necessity. But will you also learn from it ? Will the US change its habits, alter ist ways ?
This is the real "new reality". You got more insights. You can learn. Improve.
Will you ?
f.
Buts sombody finally should invent the Topenhiemer Algorithm. After all these years, it's about time
The dubious honour of having killed most people in one day, is held by your very own wonderful country. In Hiroshima you finished off between 100,000 and 150,000 civilians alone (nobody knows for sure). You of course you also hold rank 2, with Nagasaki, where you rid the world of only 50,000 - 100,000 civilians - all in the name of good, of course. Compared to that good old Usama, or Saddam, or whoever, are bloody amateurs (though they certainly show competitive zeal). The 5000 to 10,000 civilians they killed rank well below your finest "conventional" hours as well - bombing nights where the mighty US air force unleashed hell upon its targets in large organized raids. Dresden comes to mind, where the number of killed civilians you see quoted varies wildly, between 30,000 and 300,000 (again, nobody knows for sure).
So, to make a long story short, Yes, it was a crime. Yes, far too many people where killed. Yes, it was horrible.
But, no, it was not unique, and no, you should better avoid styling yourself the victim of a new holocaust.
And, above all, no, it is by no means an excuse to stop using your brain.
f.
The Morris worm getting into the wild was an accident. This one was on purpose.
f.
Pimple faced teen age script kiddy stands up. Gulps
Judge: Defendant, you have already been found guilty of numerous crimes. You will now hear your sentence.
You DOSed ebay and other cool and great web sites. By doing this you broke a gazillion of laws, and caused damage worth piles of dolares. For this you will pay dearly: 8 months is the slammer, and another year of probation
Pimple faced teenage, stuttering: Your honour, tha...
Judge (loud and harsh): I have not finished!
Judge (now seemingly normal again):
You called yourself a hacker: 2 Months.
You used hacking software: another 3 Months.
You could not explain to us what exactly this hacking software did: add 3 more.
You did not have the source code of this hacking software: 2 more
And when we gave you the source code for it, you were unable to compile it.: count another 2
Now the judge's voice, increasingly shaky, is overwhelmed with disgust:
You weren't even able to program and run a "hello world" program in C when we asked you to. another month
not even after agent Hunzinger explained the printf syntax to you: 2 more
The judge gets his voice under control again. The next point is read with the usual monotony:
You ratted on your friends: 1 more
your friends had lots of cool "warez" they said they got from you: another 6, one of these together with a lawyer from the SPA.
But none of your "hacker" friends could use a compiler, either: 3 more
Only one of them even had something remotely resembling a compiler. 2 months.
that was a hacked version of visual basic; stored in an subdirectory with the name "warez for dad". 1 month.
You used some useless kind of encryption in your email and while chatting: 2 months
the agent reading these had to write an sed script to decrypt them, replaing all the 1 with i, the 3s with e, most z with s, and so on. He was so bored the state had to give him compensation for extraordinary job harshness. Another month.
you bragged about your crimes: 2 months
you bragged about your crimes where everybody could read you: 2 more months
you bragged about your crimes in a way we could trace you back...: 3 months
...easily!: 1 more month
the judge is slowly increasing volume, and vigor
you had evidence of your crimes on your computer: another 2
unencrypted...: 1 more
... and in a subdirectory called "hacking logs" ! makes 3 more
you are sorry little cretin...: 1 more
your presence pesters the air and my stomach: 1 month
you have the intellectual capaciity of a young spinach plant: 1 month.
And....
Now the judge yells outright
... you did not even add up the fucking number of fucking months I'm sending you to the fucking slammer ! Did you ?
Shocked silence in the courtroom. The defendant tries to say something, but gives up. Finally, he slowly shakes his head, looking firmly at the floor
Judge, now at normal speach: Well. That additional 4 months now gets us up to a nice round 5 years. Now someone move that vegetable to the spinach plant!
A sharp look to the small weaseling guy in a suit next to pimpleface: Lawyers, don't even think of an appeal. We neither discussed his beeing caught while using Microsoft Windows, nor his knowing at least 5 MCSEs.
Case closed!