Sorry, I may have written that in a confusing way. What I meant was it was nuts that a PIX 525, 535, blade module, whatever, that was thousands of dollars needed even more cash to handle unlimited users.
Straight goods: I inherited most of the hardware and licenses, the limited versions are ones at smaller labs which have grown. I was quite taken back when I saw that in the syslogs. To get an unlimited user license isn't a lot more money but, come on, that's just an arbitrary limit to suck more money out of the end user. An unlimited 525 will set you back several $K.
That all said, on our test bench we've had great luck with connecting OpenBSD's IPSEC to Cisco's IPSEC. There were a few warts but overall it's painless so a transition should be simple. (I won't go on a limb and say "nothing could possibly go wrong!" though;))
We run several PIXes (Cisco) at work and at branches across the country. They handle the VPNs well enough and are simple enough to work with but when you see shit like this (IPs removed):
Mar 28 14:45:25 x.x.x.x Mar 28 2007 14:46:16: %PIX-4-407001: Deny traffic for local-host inside:y.y.y.y, license limit of 50 exceeded
in your logs from units which cost thousands of dollars, you have to scratch your head. Yeah, they charge for how many machines you'll run through it. We have a few "unrestricted" ones but they're thousands of dollars. Thousands of dollars I can better spend on other stuff.
We let our contracts lapse and are working hard at moving everything to OpenBSD, PF and the native IPSEC although OpenVPN is a serious contender as we use that for the road warriors already.
It pisses me off to no fucking end that to get a firewall capable of gigabit (we're a bunch of research labs on CANARIE) from Cisco will each a big bite from my budget, just to have the "Cisco" brand on it. nb: I do love their routers and switches. Their firewalls are overpriced and underwhelming.
There is still room for other ideas contrary to what the proponents of this crackpot evolutionary theory
There would be room for other ideas if they had even a shred of evidence to back them up.
Claiming a religious magic book holds the answers without any proof to support that assertion isn't a theory and it sure isn't science. It's circular logic and a fallacy.
Is the book "Green Eggs and Ham" evidence supporting the existence of a creature named Sam-I-Am?
If I were running any network on campus: my policy would be no data retention on the dhcp server except for current outstanding leases.
Good thing you aren't running a network. What would you do when reports of hack attempts, worms spreading or other such crap come in? Say "Tough cookies"?
How do compilers know what to compile to? Magic? Imagine if all the assembly programmers died: who'd maintain & update compilers, embedded devices, many realtime instruments, etc. ?
I just had one of those "wow" moments. Thinking about what you wrote and I can hear it. I guess I always heard it but never put the two together. Thanks!
You have just described my tastes to a T. What happened to our kind?
We're still around!:) July of last year I caught Slayer (headlining with 4 other bands during their big Unholy Alliance tour) It was a cool mix of young metalheads and guys who were into them when they started. A good show all around.
I still cringe with delight when Motorhead comes to town. Ears ringing for days after being beaten to bloody pulp by Lemmy & the boys.
Seriously though, you should know that there is *always* someone smarter than you out there.
Yes, I've met him. Killed him shortly thereafter...;)
Jokes aside, I've loved metal, punk, thrash, etc. since I first heard it. Oddly enough I love classical music too (even Joyce Hatto. Ha!) but can't stand country music, rap, hip hop....
I still love it when some old Exploited or Discharge comes up on the ol' iPod. Emails with the subject "Your music is too loud" aren't uncommon at work.:)
Let's see... I'm 41, have loved metal since I was 14 (Motorhead is
the greatest band EVAR) and am the smartest guy on
slashdot... The evidence is overwhelming.
Depends on whether you use an atomic clock or one operated by gravity. The above figure is about right for atomic years, but 6000 is gravity measurement.
Gravity measurement? Could you point me to some reading on this?
Where on that map do I find papers published by the Creationism/Intelligent Design kooks? Oh right, it's not science.
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Some people have no sense of humour. Make fun of their late-Iron Age fairy tales and they get pissed off. Good time to change my sig. How's this one look?:)
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Sorry, I may have written that in a confusing way. What I meant was it was nuts that a PIX 525, 535, blade module, whatever, that was thousands of dollars needed even more cash to handle unlimited users.
My mistake.
Awesome reply, thanks for the most humourous yet insightful post in the thread so far.
Straight goods: I inherited most of the hardware and licenses, the limited versions are ones at smaller labs which have grown. I was quite taken back when I saw that in the syslogs. To get an unlimited user license isn't a lot more money but, come on, that's just an arbitrary limit to suck more money out of the end user. An unlimited 525 will set you back several $K.
;))
That all said, on our test bench we've had great luck with connecting OpenBSD's IPSEC to Cisco's IPSEC. There were a few warts but overall it's painless so a transition should be simple. (I won't go on a limb and say "nothing could possibly go wrong!" though
We run several PIXes (Cisco) at work and at branches across the country. They handle the VPNs well enough and are simple enough to work with but when you see shit like this (IPs removed): in your logs from units which cost thousands of dollars, you have to scratch your head. Yeah, they charge for how many machines you'll run through it. We have a few "unrestricted" ones but they're thousands of dollars. Thousands of dollars I can better spend on other stuff.
We let our contracts lapse and are working hard at moving everything to OpenBSD, PF and the native IPSEC although OpenVPN is a serious contender as we use that for the road warriors already.
It pisses me off to no fucking end that to get a firewall capable of gigabit (we're a bunch of research labs on CANARIE) from Cisco will each a big bite from my budget, just to have the "Cisco" brand on it.
nb: I do love their routers and switches. Their firewalls are overpriced and underwhelming.
There is still room for other ideas contrary to what the proponents of this crackpot evolutionary theory
There would be room for other ideas if they had even a shred of evidence to back them up.
Claiming a religious magic book holds the answers without any proof to support that assertion isn't a theory and it sure isn't science. It's circular logic and a fallacy.
Is the book "Green Eggs and Ham" evidence supporting the existence of a creature named Sam-I-Am?
Most (all?) youtube videos don't source from "www.youtube.com". Best to use a squid proxy with an ACL.
Youtube = 1.6 billion DoubleClick = 2? Your thoughts?
My copies of AdBlock don't block YouTube.
But can they shoehorn it into the framework of a 6000 year old Earth?
[...] will allow users to download data eight times faster than current technology.
The MPAA was not available for comment.
If I were running any network on campus: my policy would be no data retention on the dhcp server except for current outstanding leases.
Good thing you aren't running a network. What would you do when reports of hack attempts, worms spreading or other such crap come in? Say "Tough cookies"?
What should I do with my life?
Trick question: if you're on slashdot, you have no life. I'm going to go kill myself now.
How do compilers know what to compile to? Magic? Imagine if all the assembly programmers died: who'd maintain & update compilers, embedded devices, many realtime instruments, etc. ?
I just had one of those "wow" moments. Thinking about what you wrote and I can hear it. I guess I always heard it but never put the two together. Thanks!
Most metal music is actually quite similar to classical.
Interesting, how so?
You have just described my tastes to a T. What happened to our kind?
We're still around!
I still cringe with delight when Motorhead comes to town. Ears ringing for days after being beaten to bloody pulp by Lemmy & the boys.
Seriously though, you should know that there is *always* someone smarter than you out there.
Yes, I've met him. Killed him shortly thereafter...
Jokes aside, I've loved metal, punk, thrash, etc. since I first heard it. Oddly enough I love classical music too (even Joyce Hatto. Ha!) but can't stand country music, rap, hip hop....
I still love it when some old Exploited or Discharge comes up on the ol' iPod. Emails with the subject "Your music is too loud" aren't uncommon at work.
Let's see... I'm 41, have loved metal since I was 14 (Motorhead is the greatest band EVAR) and am the smartest guy on slashdot...
The evidence is overwhelming.
Depends on whether you use an atomic clock or one operated by gravity. The above figure is about right for atomic years, but 6000 is gravity measurement.
Gravity measurement? Could you point me to some reading on this?
Back the early 80's there was an infamous BBS named "Pirate Harbor". The misuse of the term wasn't new then.
What? Music has always been data.
That's right. Way back in Vienna, before their falling out, Prince-Archbishop Colloredo would pay Mozart rather well for his data.
Where on that map do I find papers published by the Creationism/Intelligent Design kooks? Oh right, it's not science.
Some people have no sense of humour. Make fun of their late-Iron Age fairy tales and they get pissed off.
Good time to change my sig. How's this one look?
Heheh, great post! I see the Christian Taliban have plenty of mod points today.
Smear your shit on the beard of Jesus