I bought a few of their systems, ranging from an R4400-based Indigo2 to an R12K based Power Challenge L. I was usually happy with the hardware, but the sales guys were really slimy, and the company made it very difficult and expensive to get basic OS and compiler updates.
A $3000 Indy might have seemed like a good deal, but when you need a thousand dollars a year worth of hardware and software contracts to support basic administration of the box, it didn't compare too well with its competition.
Of course, my POV is probably severly tainted by the fact that I just did NOT like the sales rep. Half of what came out of his mouth was BS.
On the other hand, this had to have been 10 years ago, and I should probably just get over it.
None of the qualifiers matter to the average user. The point is that this was a bug, or rather a complaint about OOo, and not acknowledged in the parent post.
Further, this complaint has been referenced in earlier Slashdot postings. However, a quick google of "openoffice load times" returned this (admittedly a ZD reference) http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=119
I'm a big fan of OOo, and have used it since the dark ages of Stardivision, including under Linux emulation on FreeBSD. However, I would say that if it cannot deal with M$ office formats in an efficient and fast manner, then it has failed as a credible replacment for the M$ beast, if only because it makes my life as a computer support person hell.
I was thinking, maybe George Lucas can use his magic movie editing powers for good instead of evil.
For example, instead of doing idiotic things like making Greedo shoot first or inserting Jabba the hut into a scene that was rightfully left out from the original Episode IV, perhaps Mr Lucas can remove Jarjar Binks entirely from Episodes I and II.
Or maybe he can graft some character onto Anakin Skywalker in Episode II.
Great Adventure has a great classic wooden rollercoaster for the purists. It's called Rolling Thunder.
Great Adventure also has a Great American Scream Machine, Nitro, Batman (the Ride), Batman and Robin (the ride), Viper, Medusa and finally, the Runaway Train.
They don't need to build another classic rollercoaster.
Sun probably isn't going to sue anybody over linux.
They're porting to PowerPC for the same reason they're selling Opteron boxes. They can't depend on SPARC to keep them competetive with x86, and they don't want to be stuck on Intel, competing directly with a thousand other OEMs.
They are trying very hard with products (like solaris 10, which is really good and free to check out) instead of with litigation.
Okay, I'm all for more efficient generators and maglev trains, but I'd really like to see transporters, warp drive, photon torpedos or at the very least a good tricorder.
Any chance the *next* form of matter can help here?
I've done this before on MacOS 9 with MacSSH and MI/X ppc, and the performance was *really* bad. Far worse than you would expect. I ran it on a 250 MHz G3 (in a 7500) over a local 100mbit lan.
The same hardware running Debian was snappy.
I don't know whether it was MacSSH that was the problem or MI/X.
I worked with a group of people at Rutgers University who used Webb gliders and other AUVs. The gliders were used very successfully in a littoral environment, often to provide dense data streams which were in turn used to initialize ocean models.
The models, which were given a very accurate representation of ocean and atmospheric conditions with this data, were used to produce forecasts of ocean conditions which could have been very useful in a littoral warfare environment.
Check out http://marine.rutgers.edu/mrs/LEO/LEO15.html
New Jersey is very good at passing legislation of dubious value. In the early 1990's there was actually a bill proposed which would ban the sale of "runny" eggs in resturants. The Runny Egg law was proposed to protect New Jersey citizens from salmonella.
This legislation was one of the things that became a nail in the political coffin of then-governer Jim Florio who lost the next election to the esteemed Christie Todd-Whitman, who went on to become the head of the EPA.
Hopefully, the stupid roller coaster legislation goes away the same way that the runny egg law did.
SCO used to have a 'free for personal use' program that allowed those so inclined to mess around and work on porting stuff to their commercial OSs. Interestingly enough, Caldera canned this program AFTER Caldera bought the SCO OS's from SCO.
I participated in the program when it was first opened. The whole experience was pretty educational for me. SCO OpenServer (and UnixWare, I think) are really very close to the original AT&T unix. It was pretty cool looking into the workings of an OS that branches so close to the roots of unix. Even the boot messages looked very close to those on an old AT&T 3b2 I used to have.
It was especially educational experiencing the way Caldera unilaterally canned the program. I don't suppose Debian is going to start charging me $250 a copy for Woody. I think I learned my lesson.
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Er, yes, they were available as an upgrade to an R8K system.
I bought a few of their systems, ranging from an R4400-based Indigo2 to an R12K based Power Challenge L. I was usually happy with the hardware, but the sales guys were really slimy, and the company made it very difficult and expensive to get basic OS and compiler updates.
A $3000 Indy might have seemed like a good deal, but when you need a thousand dollars a year worth of hardware and software contracts to support basic administration of the box, it didn't compare too well with its competition.
Of course, my POV is probably severly tainted by the fact that I just did NOT like the sales rep. Half of what came out of his mouth was BS.
On the other hand, this had to have been 10 years ago, and I should probably just get over it.
None of the qualifiers matter to the average user. The point is that this was a bug, or rather a complaint about OOo, and not acknowledged in the parent post.
Further, this complaint has been referenced in earlier Slashdot postings. However, a quick google of "openoffice load times" returned this (admittedly a ZD reference) http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=119
I'm a big fan of OOo, and have used it since the dark ages of Stardivision, including under Linux emulation on FreeBSD. However, I would say that if it cannot deal with M$ office formats in an efficient and fast manner, then it has failed as a credible replacment for the M$ beast, if only because it makes my life as a computer support person hell.
Did you miss the part where he complained that it took 100 times longer to open a document in OOo than in MSO? Please reread.
Yeah I agree with that. He was more like an Ewok than a Jawa.
I was thinking, maybe George Lucas can use his magic movie editing powers for good instead of evil.
For example, instead of doing idiotic things like making Greedo shoot first or inserting Jabba the hut into a scene that was rightfully left out from the original Episode IV, perhaps Mr Lucas can remove Jarjar Binks entirely from Episodes I and II.
Or maybe he can graft some character onto Anakin Skywalker in Episode II.
You listening George??
Great Adventure has a great classic wooden rollercoaster for the purists. It's called Rolling Thunder.
Great Adventure also has a Great American Scream Machine, Nitro, Batman (the Ride), Batman and Robin (the ride), Viper, Medusa and finally, the Runaway Train.
They don't need to build another classic rollercoaster.
Sun probably isn't going to sue anybody over linux.
They're porting to PowerPC for the same reason they're selling Opteron boxes. They can't depend on SPARC to keep them competetive with x86, and they don't want to be stuck on Intel, competing directly with a thousand other OEMs.
They are trying very hard with products (like solaris 10, which is really good and free to check out) instead of with litigation.
You may not like Sun, but they are NOT SCO.
It's Deja Vu all over again.
Solaris 2.5.1 had a "PowerPC edition"
http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/802-4127
This was back in the day when you could also get NeXTSTEP for Motorola 68K, Intel x86, SPARC, and HPPA.
Okay, I'm all for more efficient generators and maglev trains, but I'd really like to see transporters, warp drive, photon torpedos or at the very least a good tricorder.
Any chance the *next* form of matter can help here?
Yeah but they would get some hairy negative feedback.
I've done this before on MacOS 9 with MacSSH and MI/X ppc, and the performance was *really* bad. Far worse than you would expect. I ran it on a 250 MHz G3 (in a 7500) over a local 100mbit lan. The same hardware running Debian was snappy. I don't know whether it was MacSSH that was the problem or MI/X.
I worked with a group of people at Rutgers University who used Webb gliders and other AUVs. The gliders were used very successfully in a littoral environment, often to provide dense data streams which were in turn used to initialize ocean models.
The models, which were given a very accurate representation of ocean and atmospheric conditions with this data, were used to produce forecasts of ocean conditions which could have been very useful in a littoral warfare environment.
Check out http://marine.rutgers.edu/mrs/LEO/LEO15.html
New Jersey is very good at passing legislation of dubious value. In the early 1990's there was actually a bill proposed which would ban the sale of "runny" eggs in resturants. The Runny Egg law was proposed to protect New Jersey citizens from salmonella.
This legislation was one of the things that became a nail in the political coffin of then-governer Jim Florio who lost the next election to the esteemed Christie Todd-Whitman, who went on to become the head of the EPA.
Hopefully, the stupid roller coaster legislation goes away the same way that the runny egg law did.
SCO used to have a 'free for personal use' program that allowed those so inclined to mess around and work on porting stuff to their commercial OSs. Interestingly enough, Caldera canned this program AFTER Caldera bought the SCO OS's from SCO.
I participated in the program when it was first opened. The whole experience was pretty educational for me. SCO OpenServer (and UnixWare, I think) are really very close to the original AT&T unix. It was pretty cool looking into the workings of an OS that branches so close to the roots of unix. Even the boot messages looked very close to those on an old AT&T 3b2 I used to have.
It was especially educational experiencing the way Caldera unilaterally canned the program. I don't suppose Debian is going to start charging me
$250 a copy for Woody. I think I learned my lesson.
Hey, I'd sign right now if they'd let me.