You can't drink pure H2O - it disrupts ionic balance, you could probably die from drinking too much pure water.
Yes you can. You can also die from drinking too much tap water as it also upsets the ionic balance. I would guess that this would occur with very slightly less pure water. I used to keep coral and other saltwater invertebrates, so I have a pretty good filtration system that uses a combination of carbon filtration, reverse osmosis and cation/anion deionization resins. I've been drinking it for 25+ years and so has my family. I'm pretty certain that we're all alive and well.
...you don't need a pressure source like you do for reverse osmosis?
Even if it does not, I would think it would be much more resilient toward chlorine and iron. Perhaps it won't need as much pretreatment done to the water as a conventional film membrane requires. Currently most decent RO systems have a 10 micron sediment filter, followed by 5 and 1 micron carbon filters. If you have high iron content in the feed water, then you need a softener or some other way to reduce it prior to the sediment filter too. Since the three RO pre-filters typically need to be replaced every 6-12 months, they are the most frequent replacement item. A typical RO membrane last 2-5 years. Perhaps this would be lengthened too.
Actually I did something similar with the 9900 processor from the TI. The board that it originally came in had a crippled RAM bus or something. So there was a kit that you could build that took better advantage of the 16-bit processor. That was actually a pretty good processor in its day, or so I remember.
I had one of these, and you couldn't pay me to to use one again. Well you could, but it would have to be a hell of a lot. I can understand why people would be nostalgic about a C64, or even a TI994/A. I had both of those too. But I don't really remember much to like about the ZX81. Even the keyboard/tiny plastic membrane was awful. It was sold by Timex in the US and the "keys" were about the size of calculator buttons. I shelled out the $200 (IIRC) for the 16K RAM pack too. I'm probably suppressing the memory, but I seem to remember there being some issue with it, but I don't remember what it was specifically. It was a big (in relation to the system) clunky thing that plugged into the back. It probably didn't seat correctly or something. Some things should just be allowed to die and be forgotten.
GWB set up a program that he knew he couldn't finance and thus put all the expenses on whoever would come after him.
Yes, it's a good thing that our current president didn't do something similar when funding healthcare. Oh, wait. Clinton did the same with paying down the national debt. Even w/o 9-11, there is no way in hell that any congress could have kept from increasing the budget before 2011. George Bush Sr. and Reagan, before him, spent our future like drunken sailors too.
It baffles me how the US government budgetary/accounting process works when any business owner/CEO would be jailed for doing the same.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposesits the same thing. We knew what he mint.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless
Also, it's "intents and purposes"...
Wow! A double WHOOSH. Is no one going to complain about "its" instead of "it's", or "mint" for a trifecta? Or both, so we can see the mythical quadfecta WHOOSH?
I suppose I may have messed that up. But I'm guessing that most pendants will probably be so excited about pointing these things out, that they will post their corrections before reading to my post.;-)
No worries, I've been known to do the same. That's one of the unfortunate things about/. and the internet in general. It's very difficult to show implied emotion/meaning in type. It makes it even harder when a thread can go on for hours or days in what would amount to a 30 second conversation.
To Kill a Mockingbird was a great book(and a decent movie) by the way. Atticus was one hell of a character for all fathers to aspire to be.
I would think that the only limitation to the amount of space you can carve out would be limited by the mean time between failures rather than not having enough high density building material.
Energy would be a limitation too. Your digger would need to be nuclear-powered (or come with solar panels attached by a really long extension cord).
I'm thinking solar and use microwave transmission. I would guess that w/o an atmosphere, solar would be pretty powerful. But I have no idea how much.
Apparently we have much different ideas of what "society" is.
Apparently. I believe rabinous dogs should be put out of their misery (shot on sight). Are you suggesting the rabies virus should be left alone with its right to exist as just yet another living entity?
WTF does a rabid canine have to do with this? That's an insane leap of logic. It makes about as much sense as me saying someone who doesn't agree with my point of view is like a cow with mad cow disease. They both must be shot on site. You wouldn't serve an infected steak to your family would you?
News Corp./Murdochs are doing bad stuff. They're not acting like a news provider I'd like to support, if they're hacking into dead children's cell-phones just to sell more newspapers.
I agree, they are not acting like a company I'd like to support either. That means I don't support them by... Not purchasing their products. It doesn't mean that they should be shot on site, or be stripped of all worldly possessions and imprisoned for life. I find what they did appalling. I find what you are suggesting full-on-bat-shit-crazy. It still doesn't make me feel that you should be shot. I simply do not agree with you.
I think Rupert has displayed an egregious lack of morality/civility, over the course of years if not decades, just to make cash. I'm a libertarian capitalist, and that kind of behaviour offends me, to the bone!
You disagree?
I find what has been done in this case to be disgusting, and am offended to the bone as well. It still does not make me wish to suspend my civility or my morality. However I find murderers, rapists, and child molesters to be much more deserving of the actions you suggest than anyone involved in this case. Should everyone involved in this be punished? You bet your ass. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Am I willing to take civilization back to the dark ages? Hell no.
As opposed to what? Lifiting an entire mining operation, its machinery, all the associated supports you take for granted on Earth, plus all the people and their support systems? What is it about space that turns brains off?
No, sending up remote or self controlled tunneling machines, preferably made of lighter materials like aluminum and titanium. I would think that the only limitation to the amount of space you can carve out would be limited by the mean time between failures rather than not having enough high density building material. Once something like this is in place you keep replacing parts as they wear out rather than continually shipping dense materials. Since this is presumably meant to be something long term as opposed to planting a flag and leaving. Granted, the up front cost probably would be more, but in the long term it's cheaper than continually lobbing gold at the moon. What is it about/. that stops people form being able to read more than the first sentence of a summary?
The Moon is too unstable for human underground habitation and strip mining is still the best way to mine if you can get away with it.
The moon is virtually dead geologically and has been for 3 billion years. "the energy associated with the Earth's seismic activity is about 10^14 times larger than that of the Moon"
(Dark side of the moon; more mining friendly?)
You do realize that it's not really dark, right? It is only "dark" in relation to the Earth, not the sun.
For shielding, why not use lead plates, bet yet gold
So you want to lift large amounts of very dense materials (or rare) from the earth to the moon rather than use the materials that are already there and adequate? I guessing you recently received your MBA.
Yes, because that type of action by governments has always worked out so well in the past.
What's the gov't have to do with this? This is society and righteous indignation, kind of like Atticus Finch shooting a rabid dog. That's a perfectly acceptable thing for a gov't to be doing.
"News Corp., that is unacceptable behaviour. Eat lead."
Apparently we have much different ideas of what "society" is.
Now, take the Murdochs and the rest of the officers of the company, put em in prison for life after taking away all of their money. Also take all money from the corporation as well. Disperse it in equal parts to the people of the country the corporation is registered in.
Bleed em dry, let em rot in prison for life.
I'm not sure why thumping News Corp, or any other corporation, for criminal activity is any kind of slippery slope.
Prosecuting someone for criminal activity to the fullest extent of the law is one thing. That is not at all what the original post I responded to was looking to do. Seizing the assets of an individual and/or corporation entirely and putting them in prison for life is a completely different matter. What was done was awful to say the least, however there are much worst crimes committed everyday that don't have maximum penalties even close to what the original post is looking for. If some unknown person was caught committing a similar crime I'd be surprised if they would get 10 years in prison.
It's truly astounding how those "slippery slopes" apparently only go in one direction in your mind.
I'm for risking the slippery slope long enough to put that box of snakes out of business.
Well I'm not. There is no "long enough" as actions like this tend to continually grow. Who decides who deserves their property seized and are imprisoned anyhow?
The following quotation seems quite relevant:
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I was Protestant.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Contrast that to the very real danger of fire in gasoline powered car. Explain how this is worse, and part of some gubmint conspiracy
I've seen several automotive fires/explosions due to hydrogen leakage from the batteries in ICE equipped cars. The only fuel related fire I've witnessed in a streetable care was due to backfire through a carburetor that ignited starting fluid (diethyl ether) that was on the air filter. Gasoline is remarkable stable. You can extinguish a cigarette in gasoline, except on TV and in the movies of course.
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You can't drink pure H2O - it disrupts ionic balance, you could probably die from drinking too much pure water.
Yes you can. You can also die from drinking too much tap water as it also upsets the ionic balance. I would guess that this would occur with very slightly less pure water. I used to keep coral and other saltwater invertebrates, so I have a pretty good filtration system that uses a combination of carbon filtration, reverse osmosis and cation/anion deionization resins. I've been drinking it for 25+ years and so has my family. I'm pretty certain that we're all alive and well.
...you don't need a pressure source like you do for reverse osmosis?
Even if it does not, I would think it would be much more resilient toward chlorine and iron. Perhaps it won't need as much pretreatment done to the water as a conventional film membrane requires. Currently most decent RO systems have a 10 micron sediment filter, followed by 5 and 1 micron carbon filters. If you have high iron content in the feed water, then you need a softener or some other way to reduce it prior to the sediment filter too. Since the three RO pre-filters typically need to be replaced every 6-12 months, they are the most frequent replacement item. A typical RO membrane last 2-5 years. Perhaps this would be lengthened too.
This will probably be handheld.
Bah. Wicked Lasers will be selling it for $300 in 5 to 10 years. ;-)
Either way, it's Springtime for Hitler!
Godwin in 13 minutes. Not bad for a Thursday evening.
Actually I did something similar with the 9900 processor from the TI. The board that it originally came in had a crippled RAM bus or something. So there was a kit that you could build that took better advantage of the 16-bit processor. That was actually a pretty good processor in its day, or so I remember.
I had one of these, and you couldn't pay me to to use one again. Well you could, but it would have to be a hell of a lot. I can understand why people would be nostalgic about a C64, or even a TI994/A. I had both of those too. But I don't really remember much to like about the ZX81. Even the keyboard/tiny plastic membrane was awful. It was sold by Timex in the US and the "keys" were about the size of calculator buttons. I shelled out the $200 (IIRC) for the 16K RAM pack too. I'm probably suppressing the memory, but I seem to remember there being some issue with it, but I don't remember what it was specifically. It was a big (in relation to the system) clunky thing that plugged into the back. It probably didn't seat correctly or something. Some things should just be allowed to die and be forgotten.
GWB set up a program that he knew he couldn't finance and thus put all the expenses on whoever would come after him.
Yes, it's a good thing that our current president didn't do something similar when funding healthcare. Oh, wait. Clinton did the same with paying down the national debt. Even w/o 9-11, there is no way in hell that any congress could have kept from increasing the budget before 2011. George Bush Sr. and Reagan, before him, spent our future like drunken sailors too.
It baffles me how the US government budgetary/accounting process works when any business owner/CEO would be jailed for doing the same.
He's lying.
He's a politician. Isn't this a a given?
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes its the same thing. We knew what he mint.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless
Also, it's "intents and purposes"...
Wow! A double WHOOSH. Is no one going to complain about "its" instead of "it's", or "mint" for a trifecta? Or both, so we can see the mythical quadfecta WHOOSH?
I suppose I may have messed that up. But I'm guessing that most pendants will probably be so excited about pointing these things out, that they will post their corrections before reading to my post. ;-)
Segways were a complete failure because they were incredibly impractical.
The fact that the CEO for Segway died after accidentally driving one off a cliff into a river didn't help much either.
I haven't seen it, but isn't this a movie? Apollo 18. Perhaps the upper right corner of the 8 was just a little smudgy in their "mind's eye"
No worries, I've been known to do the same. That's one of the unfortunate things about /. and the internet in general. It's very difficult to show implied emotion/meaning in type. It makes it even harder when a thread can go on for hours or days in what would amount to a 30 second conversation.
To Kill a Mockingbird was a great book(and a decent movie) by the way. Atticus was one hell of a character for all fathers to aspire to be.
Energy would be a limitation too. Your digger would need to be nuclear-powered (or come with solar panels attached by a really long extension cord).
I'm thinking solar and use microwave transmission. I would guess that w/o an atmosphere, solar would be pretty powerful. But I have no idea how much.
Don't forget, to reroute main power they first need to reverse the polarity :)
Oh god no, you don't want to do that. It would act like a giant tractor beam and could pull the sun closer to the earth.
I suppose the people in the ISS qualify as "high flyers", but NASA says that will be no risk for them
"On the International Space Station there is a special thick-walled room to which the astronauts have had to retreat during times of increased solar radiation."
I'm guessing they'll be using this. At least until they add a deflector dish to reroute main power through. ;-)
Apparently we have much different ideas of what "society" is.
Apparently. I believe rabinous dogs should be put out of their misery (shot on sight). Are you suggesting the rabies virus should be left alone with its right to exist as just yet another living entity?
WTF does a rabid canine have to do with this? That's an insane leap of logic. It makes about as much sense as me saying someone who doesn't agree with my point of view is like a cow with mad cow disease. They both must be shot on site. You wouldn't serve an infected steak to your family would you?
News Corp./Murdochs are doing bad stuff. They're not acting like a news provider I'd like to support, if they're hacking into dead children's cell-phones just to sell more newspapers.
I agree, they are not acting like a company I'd like to support either. That means I don't support them by... Not purchasing their products. It doesn't mean that they should be shot on site, or be stripped of all worldly possessions and imprisoned for life. I find what they did appalling. I find what you are suggesting full-on-bat-shit-crazy. It still doesn't make me feel that you should be shot. I simply do not agree with you.
I think Rupert has displayed an egregious lack of morality/civility, over the course of years if not decades, just to make cash. I'm a libertarian capitalist, and that kind of behaviour offends me, to the bone!
You disagree?
I find what has been done in this case to be disgusting, and am offended to the bone as well. It still does not make me wish to suspend my civility or my morality. However I find murderers, rapists, and child molesters to be much more deserving of the actions you suggest than anyone involved in this case. Should everyone involved in this be punished? You bet your ass. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Am I willing to take civilization back to the dark ages? Hell no.
As opposed to what? Lifiting an entire mining operation, its machinery, all the associated supports you take for granted on Earth, plus all the people and their support systems? What is it about space that turns brains off?
No, sending up remote or self controlled tunneling machines, preferably made of lighter materials like aluminum and titanium. I would think that the only limitation to the amount of space you can carve out would be limited by the mean time between failures rather than not having enough high density building material. Once something like this is in place you keep replacing parts as they wear out rather than continually shipping dense materials. Since this is presumably meant to be something long term as opposed to planting a flag and leaving. Granted, the up front cost probably would be more, but in the long term it's cheaper than continually lobbing gold at the moon. What is it about /. that stops people form being able to read more than the first sentence of a summary?
The Moon is too unstable for human underground habitation and strip mining is still the best way to mine if you can get away with it.
The moon is virtually dead geologically and has been for 3 billion years. "the energy associated with the Earth's seismic activity is about 10^14 times larger than that of the Moon"
(Dark side of the moon; more mining friendly?)
You do realize that it's not really dark, right? It is only "dark" in relation to the Earth, not the sun.
For shielding, why not use lead plates, bet yet gold
So you want to lift large amounts of very dense materials (or rare) from the earth to the moon rather than use the materials that are already there and adequate? I guessing you recently received your MBA.
"Support your government...
Buy a congressman"
Yes, because that type of action by governments has always worked out so well in the past.
What's the gov't have to do with this? This is society and righteous indignation, kind of like Atticus Finch shooting a rabid dog. That's a perfectly acceptable thing for a gov't to be doing.
"News Corp., that is unacceptable behaviour. Eat lead."
Apparently we have much different ideas of what "society" is.
Now, take the Murdochs and the rest of the officers of the company, put em in prison for life after taking away all of their money. Also take all money from the corporation as well. Disperse it in equal parts to the people of the country the corporation is registered in. Bleed em dry, let em rot in prison for life.
I'm not sure why thumping News Corp, or any other corporation, for criminal activity is any kind of slippery slope.
Prosecuting someone for criminal activity to the fullest extent of the law is one thing. That is not at all what the original post I responded to was looking to do. Seizing the assets of an individual and/or corporation entirely and putting them in prison for life is a completely different matter. What was done was awful to say the least, however there are much worst crimes committed everyday that don't have maximum penalties even close to what the original post is looking for. If some unknown person was caught committing a similar crime I'd be surprised if they would get 10 years in prison.
It's truly astounding how those "slippery slopes" apparently only go in one direction in your mind.
I'm for risking the slippery slope long enough to put that box of snakes out of business.
Well I'm not. There is no "long enough" as actions like this tend to continually grow. Who decides who deserves their property seized and are imprisoned anyhow?
The following quotation seems quite relevant:
First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak out because I was Protestant.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
-Martin Niemoller
that ignited starting fluid (diethyl ether) that was on the air filter
And what did we learn here? Read the directions on the starting fluid and remove the air filter before using it!
I've done plenty of stupid things in my life, but that was not one of them. Just something I saw someone else do.
let me play a nice weepy song on the world's smallest violin for you!
Too bad this is the internet. I could have done that in stereo. ;-)
Contrast that to the very real danger of fire in gasoline powered car. Explain how this is worse, and part of some gubmint conspiracy
I've seen several automotive fires/explosions due to hydrogen leakage from the batteries in ICE equipped cars. The only fuel related fire I've witnessed in a streetable care was due to backfire through a carburetor that ignited starting fluid (diethyl ether) that was on the air filter. Gasoline is remarkable stable. You can extinguish a cigarette in gasoline, except on TV and in the movies of course.