Do it please!!! Tell Drudge to Comply too, and FT. and every other damn news aggregator service out there!!! Comply! When the AP, or any other news source starts DEMANDING that you pay them or take down their feeds and stories, do what they are asking you to do and FILTER OUT THEIR CONTENT FROM YOUR SEARCH RESPONSES!!! That way in a month or two when they start complaining that no one can find them on your sites, you play back the tape-recorded conversation between you and their frothing at the mouth lawyers, and say uh...no. When they come back and say, "uh, yeah about that silly "payment thing", we're sorry about that. We were high, and drunk and it was way too early in the morning to make a rational decision when our lawyers came up with that idea. Please take us back?" You say, "yeah, let me get back to you on that".....
Laugh about it for a week or two, and when the situation loses it's entertainment value for you...then remove the filters..... Problem solved...
THANK YOU!!! I can't believe it takes a non-citizen of the US to understand that one like I do. During the months before the election, I was saying to all of my friends and customers "vote your conscience". I also backed it up with "voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for EVIL"! Until many more people start thinking this way we (as a country) will keep running the truck into the wall, and wondering afterward why no one listened to the guy suggesting we hit the brakes (or at least let off the accelerator)... At least I can still say I am blameless either way....I voted for Ron Paul!
I'd think this would have been figured out by now but. Apparently very few of us are able to remember back to when we were in grade school and were taught about the processes involved in PHOTOSYNTHESIS. Plants and TREES take in CO2 from the ground and the AIR, and let out Oxygen. As to why there is so much CO2, well look around you kid, you are sitting in it. The house you live in is made of what? Wood! That's right, and wood comes from TREES. So in order for you to be sitting in your lovely home, someone had to go out, mow down a forest, grade the ground, kill off any predatory animals, process the trees into lumber and pucky-board, and build your house (along with aa few hundred like it). If you want to do something about the CO2, PLANT MORE TREES!!!
I didn't think they had "special powers" or anything like that. I was just saying that I'm annoyed that I am being monitored (or anyone else for that matter...at least without a court order and a judges signature) closely enough to discern such details. Aren't you? I think there are far more useful ways to spend one's time than trying to bust 14 year olds for Dling media or warez. then again I don't really publish any kind of profitable IP so....
Have you ever read 1984? To some people that whole monitor that monitors you and tells you to worship big brother is THE PLANNED FUTURE FOR DIGITAL MEDIA. They looked at Orwell's nightmarish future and said, "yeah I could be big brother too!...wouldn't that be cool?"
"Permission given is permission given to abuse. Be wary of what you permit others to do".
I like AT&Ts move here. While they could have been little wimps and acquiesced to the mafRIAA's demands they said,"Sorry, we here at AT&T care more about providing service to our customers than making sure Lars Ulrich and Madonna get every red cent they feel must be extorted from their fan-base". "Oh and by the way,(in the immortal words of Bender), "Bite my shiny metal ass"! Although... I am a bit discomfited with the idea that my traffic is being monitored so closely that the mafRIAA can tell that "I" downloaded "copyrighted works". That alone could be enough for some users to drop the service upon receiving such a notice. None the less, bravo AT&T. In a world of ever pussifying people, you've shown me that you still have a pair!
Sorry if I am so "pro-human" that I'd dare to suggest that we'd be able to think further than the ends of our noses. You want to know what the real exploit there is to be made here really is???? I have the boat, I can fish, you cannot!!! HAHAHA!! If I don't go out and kill it, YOU CAN'T EAT IT AT MCDONALD'S!!! Of course the only way that will work for me is if everyone else does it too. Don't get me wrong, I know many commercial fishermen are uneducated about things like ecology, economics and biology. I have only spent the better part of my life either in, on, or around some body of water or another (I could probably be classified as an amphibian with as much time as I've spent fishing.) I guess the fact that I can even think of such heresy must be the result of some mutation......but for the most part you are right....people suck, I just think we can, and should be better.
-Oz
I was present in LA during the 92-94 El Nino years. Commercial boats got so fricken lazy they would send a spotter plane out to find out where the party boats were catching fish. then come in with purse-seines and drag the area dry. They kept doing this past the point of driving Yellowfin below.08 a pound(side note: at the time Mackeral was going for.18 a pound...and they use it primarily to make cat food and fertilizer...)!!! THEY KEPT IT UP UNTIL IT COST MORE TO GO OUT THAN COULD BE MADE ON A FULL LOAD OF TUNA!!!!
It is one of the experiences that has filled me with disdain for the commercial fleets of the world. Their over-riding mind-set is "if I don't kill it someone else will". If the people of the world could see first hand what it takes to get their fish fillets and such, they would swear off sea food entirely! I know, and that is why I catch and release. Because I know full well, that if I do not kill it....IT IS STILL ALIVE!!!! It might even be bigger the next time someone catches it! It might even get a chance to mature and spawn and MAKE MORE FISH TO CATCH before being caught again!!!! Heaven forbid that should happen!
Tell you what commercial fishermen of the globe. the next time you go out, no matter how many fish are out there to harvest, take in only half the capacity of your boat. Make an agreement with every single boat captain you know to do this, and have them do the same in kind. Before you know it, the stock of fish you catch will be much larger, making it necessary to take even less fish. If you keep it up long enough, the price per pound of fish will rise with the diminishing supply (the price of an available supply is dependent solely upon how much product is brought to the market, not how much is available on the planet!!!) Go out for shorter runs, bring in less, work less, make more per fish...see how that works?
-Oz
Yet another example of how "the drug war" has been used to justify what no one should ever let happen to their CHILDREN! I cannot believe this judge, obviously he has to throw the hammer at a completely innocent child, otherwise he might be viewed as "soft on drugs". If I ever have kids, I will not permit them to go to public school for exactly this reason!
More and more it seems that game and other internet companies see the future as a place where "we has all your base", is the GOAL. They want to have your hard drive virtualized and isolated from your control. They now want your gaming console to be virtualized and completely isolated from your control. It's not good enough that you play on:their" servers, on their software. No, now you have to run their games, on their servers, while you sit in front of "their" dumb-terminal cursing and spitting because you can't lag through 30 seconds without them spamming you in-game. Meanwhile the extra lag on your connection causes you to get pwn'd by a 14 year old in Denmark.
Sounds about as fun as having my teeth extracted without anesthesia, and then re-inserted to be taken out again tomorrow....
I think I'll stick to playing motocross on my Intelivision.
I've assimilated enough C-Span to come to the conclusion that : To ask for permission is to ask for permission to abuse. Give you an example, wire-tapping....at one point it was used only in cases where such monitoring was permitted via a judge's signature...now anything you do that involves your credit card, telephone, computer, cell phone, memberships, bank accounts, internet use, car(s),...etc can and is being monitored on some level by one organization or another. This being the case, I do not want anything monitoring anything inside my body.
Permission given is permission given to abuse. If you doubt it, next time your credit card company or insurance company raises your rates or cuts services for no apparent reason, go back and re-read the fine print of the contract you signed.....
I don't know where to start honestly. I won't attack your "intelligent Design" or whatever, However, I find your statement, "I know that there's no intelligent motive behind evolution, it is an impersonal process of optimization for a set of conditions and there's no selection bias for complexity" to be patently false none the less. To me it seems that you are suggesting that individual behavior and genetic memory have nothing to do with the evolution of a species.
I believe Jane was referring to the no-holds-barred media blackout of Ron Paul coverage in the MSM. I completely empathize as I feel that if he were allowed to participate in a few of the bigger debates he would have DESTROYED Obama, McCain, and Clinton.
-Oz
I'd love to agree with you on some sort of in-between. If I didn't think it would be just the beginning of another slippery-slope along the same lines as "The reason "infinity plus a zillion years" is good is because if some company out there has anything close to what you have made, they can hold you up in court battles long enough to either make you uninterested in fighting them for the right to make it, or you go broke on legal fees and are forced to sell it to them to pay off your lawyer."
Personally I think you should retain the privilege of exclusive control over your IP until such time as you decide to pass it on, or license it out to another party. Then you lose whatever control you give up "in the licensing contract" and have no claim over derivative works created by other people afterward.
Have you heard of the expression "Seeing far by standing on the shoulders of giants"?
You can get exponential returns on writing software if you don't have to rewrite everything from scratch
That perspective is fine and dandy if you are the person copying someone's code. We all know that if you aren't the one investing time and money into developing software, that you can make way more money on it than the originator. Just because Gates and Jobs got away with it and made BAZILLIONS MORE than Xerox ever would have, does not make it the desirable standard for behavior.
Personally I take way more pride in creative endeavors that I didn't steal from others first.
I guess the difference to me is, if the giant is letting everyone climb on and check things out, I have no problem with it (thank you for all that you've given me Linuxverse). It's when people make laws that allow others to claim the giant doesn't have a right to the benefit of it's height, and should be rendered a wageless slave meant to carry all of those too lazy to stand up and walk on their own two feet....that is where I take issue.
Whether you believe it or not that is what all of these attacks on IP protection are all about, keeping the giants as giants and the rest of us as ants...
-Oz
How about I just hoard my discoveries and creations for myself? I could give a damn about "social good". If someone is to decide what I do with my creations, IT IS GOING TO BE ME!!! The rest of society can burn to a cinder. If I do not get compensated properly for the invention I create, then what is the point of my making it? The reason "infinity plus a zillion years" is good is because if some company out there has anything close to what you have made, they can hold you up in court battles long enough to either make you uninterested in fighting them for the right to make it, or you go broke on legal fees and are forced to sell it to them to pay off your lawyer.
I should have sole discretion over my works...period. No country, state, church, company, or individual should be able to profit from it unless I grant permission.
In my mind people who argue against this view, are too lazy to create their own works and as such have no recourse but to try and steal and profit from other people's work. Go die leaches!!!
-Oz
How about you lazy bastards learn to program your own software?! What this stinks of to me is yet another attempt to rob people of the products of their "OWN" creation. Possession is 9 10ths of the law remember? That means that if company A manages to hack your machine and steal your idea for a "competing product X", and manages to take it to market before you do.....you didn't make it...it was ALWAYS OURS!!!!! Give up America, quit trying to innovate your way to a better life, we are going to steal it if it is worth anything.
The way to make money off of the internet is to use it like a highway. Except instead of having ot cart your dumb ass all over hell and back, you could be conducting the business of the day from the comfort of your own home. That is where the money is, it is in the SAVING OF MONEY (a penny saved is a penny earned remember????). The money to be made off of the internet is in having to pay 50% of what you do now to insure the health if your employees. It is in the saving of space on the design of your "robotic" manufacturing plants (occupy less "real" estate, no need for corridors or offices, just a maintenance shop, a front office, and a staff meeting room,where you convene once or twice a month to talk face to face).
The internet is the answer to our energy crisis too. Look around you if you work in an office and ask yourself sometime, "what of my surroundings here at work could I NOT DO WITHOUT"? Of those things that you CANNOT DO YOUR JOB WITHOUT, "how many of these things could be provided "virtually"? No doubt there are many of you that need to be on-site as a part of your job, but I bet there are far more of you who can do everything you do now for your company or business, from some cyber-cafe in town.
Instead of pursuing this inevitable migration with gusto, it seems most of the US "Economy" is based on the idea that the internet MUST BE EXTORTED FOR EVERY LAST CENT IT CAN PROVIDE. Every time I hear someone on C-Span talking about the internet, the subject matter invariably is "how do we make money off of the internet". Get it straight, THE INTERNET IS NOT "THE PRODUCT". The "PRODUCT" is the service or items you provide others VIA THE INTERNET.
The sooner we get away from the "capitalist-extortionist" mindset that currently runs internet related businesses, the sooner we can all make "real" money providing our goods and services to the world...
FREE THE INTERNET!!!
-Oz
Maybe it is simply a side-effect of the Apple logo? Maybe what is actually happening is that Steve Jobs found a way to subliminally-install a virus via casual viewing of the logo??? A unique virus, in that it imbues it's host with an over-confidence in their perceived creative superiority? While diminishing it's host's sense of "objectivity", it manifests as outward bursts of rage at the slightest criticism issued by any collegue and/or underlings (ie makes you think you are Jobs).
-Oz
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Do it please!!! Tell Drudge to Comply too, and FT. and every other damn news aggregator service out there!!! Comply! When the AP, or any other news source starts DEMANDING that you pay them or take down their feeds and stories, do what they are asking you to do and FILTER OUT THEIR CONTENT FROM YOUR SEARCH RESPONSES!!! That way in a month or two when they start complaining that no one can find them on your sites, you play back the tape-recorded conversation between you and their frothing at the mouth lawyers, and say uh...no. When they come back and say, "uh, yeah about that silly "payment thing", we're sorry about that. We were high, and drunk and it was way too early in the morning to make a rational decision when our lawyers came up with that idea. Please take us back?" You say, "yeah, let me get back to you on that".....
Laugh about it for a week or two, and when the situation loses it's entertainment value for you...then remove the filters..... Problem solved...
-Oz
-Oz
Too true,there is always ....the good ol 56k modem! I knew I kept my Power Tower Pro G3 250 around for some reason.
-Oz
-Oz
ty for the info none the less...I ain't so skill'd so it is all newz to me... -Oz
I didn't think they had "special powers" or anything like that. I was just saying that I'm annoyed that I am being monitored (or anyone else for that matter...at least without a court order and a judges signature) closely enough to discern such details. Aren't you? I think there are far more useful ways to spend one's time than trying to bust 14 year olds for Dling media or warez. then again I don't really publish any kind of profitable IP so....
-Oz
Have you ever read 1984? To some people that whole monitor that monitors you and tells you to worship big brother is THE PLANNED FUTURE FOR DIGITAL MEDIA. They looked at Orwell's nightmarish future and said, "yeah I could be big brother too!...wouldn't that be cool?"
"Permission given is permission given to abuse. Be wary of what you permit others to do".
-Oz
I like AT&Ts move here. While they could have been little wimps and acquiesced to the mafRIAA's demands they said,"Sorry, we here at AT&T care more about providing service to our customers than making sure Lars Ulrich and Madonna get every red cent they feel must be extorted from their fan-base". "Oh and by the way,(in the immortal words of Bender), "Bite my shiny metal ass"! Although... I am a bit discomfited with the idea that my traffic is being monitored so closely that the mafRIAA can tell that "I" downloaded "copyrighted works". That alone could be enough for some users to drop the service upon receiving such a notice. None the less, bravo AT&T. In a world of ever pussifying people, you've shown me that you still have a pair!
-Oz
Sorry if I am so "pro-human" that I'd dare to suggest that we'd be able to think further than the ends of our noses. You want to know what the real exploit there is to be made here really is???? I have the boat, I can fish, you cannot!!! HAHAHA!! If I don't go out and kill it, YOU CAN'T EAT IT AT MCDONALD'S!!! Of course the only way that will work for me is if everyone else does it too. Don't get me wrong, I know many commercial fishermen are uneducated about things like ecology, economics and biology. I have only spent the better part of my life either in, on, or around some body of water or another (I could probably be classified as an amphibian with as much time as I've spent fishing.) I guess the fact that I can even think of such heresy must be the result of some mutation......but for the most part you are right....people suck, I just think we can, and should be better. -Oz
I was present in LA during the 92-94 El Nino years. Commercial boats got so fricken lazy they would send a spotter plane out to find out where the party boats were catching fish. then come in with purse-seines and drag the area dry. They kept doing this past the point of driving Yellowfin below .08 a pound(side note: at the time Mackeral was going for .18 a pound...and they use it primarily to make cat food and fertilizer...)!!! THEY KEPT IT UP UNTIL IT COST MORE TO GO OUT THAN COULD BE MADE ON A FULL LOAD OF TUNA!!!!
It is one of the experiences that has filled me with disdain for the commercial fleets of the world. Their over-riding mind-set is "if I don't kill it someone else will". If the people of the world could see first hand what it takes to get their fish fillets and such, they would swear off sea food entirely! I know, and that is why I catch and release. Because I know full well, that if I do not kill it....IT IS STILL ALIVE!!!! It might even be bigger the next time someone catches it! It might even get a chance to mature and spawn and MAKE MORE FISH TO CATCH before being caught again!!!! Heaven forbid that should happen!
Tell you what commercial fishermen of the globe. the next time you go out, no matter how many fish are out there to harvest, take in only half the capacity of your boat. Make an agreement with every single boat captain you know to do this, and have them do the same in kind. Before you know it, the stock of fish you catch will be much larger, making it necessary to take even less fish. If you keep it up long enough, the price per pound of fish will rise with the diminishing supply (the price of an available supply is dependent solely upon how much product is brought to the market, not how much is available on the planet!!!) Go out for shorter runs, bring in less, work less, make more per fish...see how that works? -Oz
-Oz
Sounds about as fun as having my teeth extracted without anesthesia, and then re-inserted to be taken out again tomorrow....
I think I'll stick to playing motocross on my Intelivision.
-Oz
I've assimilated enough C-Span to come to the conclusion that : To ask for permission is to ask for permission to abuse. Give you an example, wire-tapping....at one point it was used only in cases where such monitoring was permitted via a judge's signature...now anything you do that involves your credit card, telephone, computer, cell phone, memberships, bank accounts, internet use, car(s),...etc can and is being monitored on some level by one organization or another. This being the case, I do not want anything monitoring anything inside my body.
Permission given is permission given to abuse. If you doubt it, next time your credit card company or insurance company raises your rates or cuts services for no apparent reason, go back and re-read the fine print of the contract you signed.....
-Oz
I don't know where to start honestly. I won't attack your "intelligent Design" or whatever, However, I find your statement, "I know that there's no intelligent motive behind evolution, it is an impersonal process of optimization for a set of conditions and there's no selection bias for complexity" to be patently false none the less. To me it seems that you are suggesting that individual behavior and genetic memory have nothing to do with the evolution of a species.
-Oz
Nay, tis something from the "Illuminatus Trilogy" if I am not mistaken. And H.P. Lovecraft.
Damned Discordians popping up everywhere now that Bob is gone.... All Hail Discordia!
I believe Jane was referring to the no-holds-barred media blackout of Ron Paul coverage in the MSM. I completely empathize as I feel that if he were allowed to participate in a few of the bigger debates he would have DESTROYED Obama, McCain, and Clinton.
-Oz
With this guys resume, it should be 'chief "Thurstworthy infrastructure strategist'
-Oz
Personally I think you should retain the privilege of exclusive control over your IP until such time as you decide to pass it on, or license it out to another party. Then you lose whatever control you give up "in the licensing contract" and have no claim over derivative works created by other people afterward.
Have you heard of the expression "Seeing far by standing on the shoulders of giants"?
You can get exponential returns on writing software if you don't have to rewrite everything from scratch
That perspective is fine and dandy if you are the person copying someone's code. We all know that if you aren't the one investing time and money into developing software, that you can make way more money on it than the originator. Just because Gates and Jobs got away with it and made BAZILLIONS MORE than Xerox ever would have, does not make it the desirable standard for behavior.
Personally I take way more pride in creative endeavors that I didn't steal from others first. I guess the difference to me is, if the giant is letting everyone climb on and check things out, I have no problem with it (thank you for all that you've given me Linuxverse). It's when people make laws that allow others to claim the giant doesn't have a right to the benefit of it's height, and should be rendered a wageless slave meant to carry all of those too lazy to stand up and walk on their own two feet....that is where I take issue.
Whether you believe it or not that is what all of these attacks on IP protection are all about, keeping the giants as giants and the rest of us as ants...
-Oz
que? How am I on your shoulder?
How about I just hoard my discoveries and creations for myself? I could give a damn about "social good". If someone is to decide what I do with my creations, IT IS GOING TO BE ME!!! The rest of society can burn to a cinder. If I do not get compensated properly for the invention I create, then what is the point of my making it? The reason "infinity plus a zillion years" is good is because if some company out there has anything close to what you have made, they can hold you up in court battles long enough to either make you uninterested in fighting them for the right to make it, or you go broke on legal fees and are forced to sell it to them to pay off your lawyer. I should have sole discretion over my works...period. No country, state, church, company, or individual should be able to profit from it unless I grant permission. In my mind people who argue against this view, are too lazy to create their own works and as such have no recourse but to try and steal and profit from other people's work. Go die leaches!!! -Oz
How about you lazy bastards learn to program your own software?! What this stinks of to me is yet another attempt to rob people of the products of their "OWN" creation. Possession is 9 10ths of the law remember? That means that if company A manages to hack your machine and steal your idea for a "competing product X", and manages to take it to market before you do.....you didn't make it...it was ALWAYS OURS!!!!! Give up America, quit trying to innovate your way to a better life, we are going to steal it if it is worth anything.
The way to make money off of the internet is to use it like a highway. Except instead of having ot cart your dumb ass all over hell and back, you could be conducting the business of the day from the comfort of your own home. That is where the money is, it is in the SAVING OF MONEY (a penny saved is a penny earned remember????). The money to be made off of the internet is in having to pay 50% of what you do now to insure the health if your employees. It is in the saving of space on the design of your "robotic" manufacturing plants (occupy less "real" estate, no need for corridors or offices, just a maintenance shop, a front office, and a staff meeting room,where you convene once or twice a month to talk face to face). The internet is the answer to our energy crisis too. Look around you if you work in an office and ask yourself sometime, "what of my surroundings here at work could I NOT DO WITHOUT"? Of those things that you CANNOT DO YOUR JOB WITHOUT, "how many of these things could be provided "virtually"? No doubt there are many of you that need to be on-site as a part of your job, but I bet there are far more of you who can do everything you do now for your company or business, from some cyber-cafe in town. Instead of pursuing this inevitable migration with gusto, it seems most of the US "Economy" is based on the idea that the internet MUST BE EXTORTED FOR EVERY LAST CENT IT CAN PROVIDE. Every time I hear someone on C-Span talking about the internet, the subject matter invariably is "how do we make money off of the internet". Get it straight, THE INTERNET IS NOT "THE PRODUCT". The "PRODUCT" is the service or items you provide others VIA THE INTERNET. The sooner we get away from the "capitalist-extortionist" mindset that currently runs internet related businesses, the sooner we can all make "real" money providing our goods and services to the world... FREE THE INTERNET!!! -Oz
Maybe it is simply a side-effect of the Apple logo? Maybe what is actually happening is that Steve Jobs found a way to subliminally-install a virus via casual viewing of the logo??? A unique virus, in that it imbues it's host with an over-confidence in their perceived creative superiority? While diminishing it's host's sense of "objectivity", it manifests as outward bursts of rage at the slightest criticism issued by any collegue and/or underlings (ie makes you think you are Jobs). -Oz