It would have been a good link to see here but I think the writer's thesis is bogus. Maybe if the only site I ever read was/. then I can see his point but who does that? I want news related to what I do and the tools I use so I come here. I want to see what the other half are doing so I go elsewhere too. I want general news as well so I go out to the wires and papers. It's just not that hard to get balanced and complete info if you want to try. One thing is for sure though: the quality of info is much, much better if you turn off the TV.
Maybe I'm missing something. It wouldn't surprise me considering the windbag, thesaurus abusing nature of Salon's writers.
Makes for enteresting reading when you combine it with these statements made by Pfeiffer earlier today. http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19991108S0026
Yeah, but I think the process is accellerated a bit. Most 'net romances I've seen happen take alot more time and emotional energy to play out then a real life relationship usually does.
Are you drawing a distinction between the ease of use of text apps vs GUI's with hot keys? If not, why not just spend some time making the current apps more keyboard controllable rather than trying to add modern features to all the old apps? I hate having my hand always bouncing back and forth too but It's not so much X's fault as the app GUI designer's is it?
First off, I'm very happy for you and Angie. Congratulations.
We did get to talk A LOT before spent a great deal of time in each other's physical presence. That helped.
I've had two close friends now go through the process of getting to know an online aquaintence extremely well before they finally set up a meeting. When I say extremely I'm talking about months of nightly and weekend irc and mush conversation followed by a more intense period of telephone conversations. Both friends spent over $1,000 on the phone getting to know their friends before buying the plane ticket to finally meet the person that they had fallen in love with. It was a complete disaster both times.
In both cases they chose to overlook some basic, social and/or economic difference which 'net communications is usually lauded for hiding. They made the choice because the person was otherwise a perfect fit for them. They had similar interests, phillisophical beliefs, tastes in food, music, friends (on the net)... all the things that should matter, right?
Well, one friend was finishing his masters degree and flew out to Kentucky to meet his friend who worked in chicken processing.... He's not a closed minded guy, this didn't bother him but... well it just didn't work out. I'm sure he came off as pretentious to them. He comes off that way to me and I'm a friend.
The other case was a major hearbreak. The fit looked good but when he came out to meet her family it was a disaster. I think he managed to offend or alienate every family member or friend he met at some point. She was devasted. This side of his personality had never been that way in their one-on-one conversations.
The point of all this is that while you can have all the conversation on the 'net and over the phone you want, you have to meet the person and their family and friends if it's going to go the distance. I think the 'net does us a big diservice when it delays this process.
The WWW has long passed games in importance to the consumer but I still say games are an area that should see alot more attention too. My personal view is that if some well established company (ID could pull this off) released their next big, garunteed-to-be-a-hit, game for Linux first and witheld it from windows for a month or two there would be a huge migration over to Linux. Nobody would do it. It doesn't make good business sence to piss off a majority of your customers that way. But it's fun to think about...:)
OK, maybe I am still having trouble becasue I sure thought I was logged in when I typed that message. If this comes up as an AC post then you can consider this a bug report....
Having a completely finished desktop environment won't be the windows killer. It's a great first step to having the completely integrated office suite which is what will bring in the masses and the business users.
Maybe I'm just a control freak but can't you do this with the click of a button already. What if I don't want the pallets coming back whenever I touch the mouse? What if I don't want to be distracted by things fading in and out.
... I guess I don't buy one. Easy problem to solve really. I'm happy for the rest of you posting about how cool this is though.
All this hubbub... what's the big new deal here? Apple is a great company, Always trying to push the limits of what a consumer and/or artist can put on their desktop. Over the past year they've regained that hunger for greatness that has always set them apart and made them worth paying attention to but anybody who's followed them seriously over the years must know by now that you should never jump headfirst into buying the new product lines no matter how big the reality distortion field gets.
This is just business as usual for Apple. Bad business, to be sure, but these sorts of things should be expected by now. Maybe paying this much attention to Apple is new to a large number of the/. crowd. Whenever they announce for sale a new product that you want you have to give them at least two weeks, if not a month, and closely follow macintouch and the other sites to see if they rushed it. Wait for the reports of product delays, periferals that don't work, software that does not work,...etc it will all sort itself out and is usually worth the wait. But you have to wait when it comes to Apple. Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending them. This is (another) royal screw up. I'm just not surprised is all and I'll probably be looking into getting a G4 system in a couple of months when the dust settles and I can be sure I know what I'm getting.
Fucus. I've found that if I really need to sit down and have all my attention on what I'm doing that psy-trance is absolutely the best. I don't know if it's universal, but for me it just drowns out all the distractions while getting the blood pumping and the brain working
What I find really interesting is that the next best thing to trance is Baroque. Bach, Hyden, Vivaldi are excellent. They have almost the same affect on me except the uplifting, blood pumping qualities are not as intense. If I've had too much coffee this is usually what I go with.
I'm not saying it leads to better offspring. I'm saying it leads to more offspring. And in a biolical or evolutionary setting I think that counts for more than quality.
Most of the beautiful people I know (OK, it's not hard scientific fact but I think it would stand up) aren't churning out the kids. They are too busy going to aerobics and maintaining their careers to have time for children. The people I know with 3+ kids look, on average, not as desirable to my 20th century conditioned eyes as the ones who are going to aerobics to keep in good physical health and are maintaining their careers so that they can stay in fashion and in good mental health.
I suppose you could argue that my not-so-beautiful aquaintances look and act the way they do because they have 3+ kids running them ragged and driving them nuts but I've known quite a few of them a long time and that doesn't pan out.
I think the reason that you are getting these responces is that for me, and obviously others, this is more an issue of separating the haves from the have nots. If it were purely an issue of making everybody's kid a healthier, shiny, happy person I'd be all for it. When you responded to my original post I put it in that context of the point I was trying to get across and thus the flame. I really am sorry about the Hitler thing. You clearly didn't deserve it.
However, I think you are wrong anyway. Ugly people (both of the mind and the body) are often very effective breeders. Often more so than their physically and emontionally attractive counterparts. It sounds like you've been watching that science of sex show that TLC runs every now and then when their ratings start to drop. I always thought the people doing that research where just looking for a way to get payed to view porn and oggle beachgoers with for a "legitimate" reason. Today's idea of what is beautiful and desirable has more to do with the psychological tricks played on us by clever advertising than anything actually programmed into us.
My beef which caused the hasty rant before has to do with people who think "good breeding/engineering" make them superior to those without and then use it as an excuse to discriminate, ridicule, and persecute.
Thank you Mister Hitler. Get back to your bunker please. I'm sorry I can't phase this in a more non-flamebait manner but people who use natural selection to justify their greed and personal prejudice should be labled for what they are.
And therin lies the flameware. You say the best chance possible but that translates to the best chance you can afford. Parents should and will do whatever they can. Society will need to set limits on this because the potential for abuse and inequity is too great and will feed on itself.
Just look at health care in the US. Already, there is a growing inequity between those that can afford quality, preventive care and those that are just plain screwed. Better basic health care would save everyone money but the system just doesn't work that way. Imagine how cheap but unnecesary genetic engineering would figure into this equation and things look shamefully ugly to me.
This is very true and is one of the biggest reasons why this sort of genetic engineering should not be allowed until it is possible for everyone to participate. Even then, I doubt we could avoid a Gattaga style scenario.
I was nodding along with you up till that last comment. While you are technically correct about Apple's G4 product not on the top of the heap in a bang/buck sence, you are totally discouting the new IBM mobo that is coming out and the new systems that will be based on that. You should at least tack on a 'yet' to the end of that statement. It's just FUD flamebait without one.
I was just browsing their ftp site and I didn't see gcc or egcs there. I saw pgcc instead. Can anybody here comment as to what is the basis for this choice? From what little I know pgcc is optimized for pentium and uses some of MMX. How is it for floating point compared to gcc/egcs?
"Having money has made my life a bit more comfortable," said Estrin. "I.... have fulltime childcare...."
This has to be one of the sadder statements I've read in a while. Having enough money makes you more comfortable because you can aford to keep your kids in daycare while you work all those long hours? If I had more money than I knew what to do with I'd be cuttin' back on the hours and pulling my kid out of daycare early so I could spend more time with him. I realize that being able to afford daycare is a necessary and difficult thing for a lot of people without premium jobs but I think this is different.
My kid is too special to me and he is growing up faster than I'm ready for as it is. I don't know much of anything about Judy Estrin so I'm hoping that this was just a careless phrase on her part. Maybe if I had as cool a job as CTO for Cisco I'd feel differently about where I spent my time, I dunno, but with the so-so job I have I'd much rather be at home enjoying the familly.
I don't think most people will have much choice but to stick with X unless these guys get the encouragement they need to move this thing along. Right now, we can run how many chat clients, process managers, cpu meters with X? Just stick x, g, or k in front of your old favorite terminal app. I say more power to them, it can't hurt to have bchat, btop, and bterm too choose from as well.
All Rob would have to do is stick in some HTML anchors and then link the comments that he wants MM'd together. That way you can click your way through the MM process. If he also makes any MM comment visiable no matter what your tolerance, you are all set. Much more convenient than the current situation.
The other bit the Wrights got first was that they mastered control before anybody else. The Europeans only accepted the Wrights claim of first flight when they demonstrated the ability to fly in a controlled path versus just a stable straight line.
"The B50 is a space-saving server with the performance, capacity, reliability, and flexibility to run your most demanding Web-based applications. Featuring the PowerPC 604e 375MHz processor with with 1MB of L2 cache and up to 1GB of memory capacity, the B50 also has an internal storage capacity of up to 36.4GB, an integrated Ethernet 10/100 port, two PCI expansion slots, and standard 32X SCSI CD-ROM and diskette drives."
Sounds like it would make a good final death gasp in the Apple 9500 line. But it's probably based on a better motherboard so who knows? Somebody please tell me I'm wrong and explain why because otherwise this is pretty drab.
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Maybe I'm missing something. It wouldn't surprise me considering the windbag, thesaurus abusing nature of Salon's writers.
Makes for enteresting reading when you combine it with these statements made by Pfeiffer earlier today. http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19991108S0026
Yeah, but I think the process is accellerated a bit. Most 'net romances I've seen happen take alot more time and emotional energy to play out then a real life relationship usually does.
Are you drawing a distinction between the ease of use of text apps vs GUI's with hot keys? If not, why not just spend some time making the current apps more keyboard controllable rather than trying to add modern features to all the old apps? I hate having my hand always bouncing back and forth too but It's not so much X's fault as the app GUI designer's is it?
We did get to talk A LOT before spent a great deal of time in each other's physical presence. That helped.
I've had two close friends now go through the process of getting to know an online aquaintence extremely well before they finally set up a meeting. When I say extremely I'm talking about months of nightly and weekend irc and mush conversation followed by a more intense period of telephone conversations. Both friends spent over $1,000 on the phone getting to know their friends before buying the plane ticket to finally meet the person that they had fallen in love with. It was a complete disaster both times.
In both cases they chose to overlook some basic, social and/or economic difference which 'net communications is usually lauded for hiding. They made the choice because the person was otherwise a perfect fit for them. They had similar interests, phillisophical beliefs, tastes in food, music, friends (on the net)... all the things that should matter, right?
Well, one friend was finishing his masters degree and flew out to Kentucky to meet his friend who worked in chicken processing.... He's not a closed minded guy, this didn't bother him but ... well it just didn't work out. I'm sure he came off as pretentious to them. He comes off that way to me and I'm a friend.
The other case was a major hearbreak. The fit looked good but when he came out to meet her family it was a disaster. I think he managed to offend or alienate every family member or friend he met at some point. She was devasted. This side of his personality had never been that way in their one-on-one conversations.
The point of all this is that while you can have all the conversation on the 'net and over the phone you want, you have to meet the person and their family and friends if it's going to go the distance. I think the 'net does us a big diservice when it delays this process.
The WWW has long passed games in importance to the consumer but I still say games are an area that should see alot more attention too. My personal view is that if some well established company (ID could pull this off) released their next big, garunteed-to-be-a-hit, game for Linux first and witheld it from windows for a month or two there would be a huge migration over to Linux. Nobody would do it. It doesn't make good business sence to piss off a majority of your customers that way. But it's fun to think about... :)
OK, maybe I am still having trouble becasue I sure thought I was logged in when I typed that message. If this comes up as an AC post then you can consider this a bug report....
Having a completely finished desktop environment won't be the windows killer. It's a great first step to having the completely integrated office suite which is what will bring in the masses and the business users.
This is just business as usual for Apple. Bad business, to be sure, but these sorts of things should be expected by now. Maybe paying this much attention to Apple is new to a large number of the /. crowd. Whenever they announce for sale a new product that you want you have to give them at least two weeks, if not a month, and closely follow macintouch and the other sites to see if they rushed it. Wait for the reports of product delays, periferals that don't work, software that does not work,...etc it will all sort itself out and is usually worth the wait. But you have to wait when it comes to Apple. Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending them. This is (another) royal screw up. I'm just not surprised is all and I'll probably be looking into getting a G4 system in a couple of months when the dust settles and I can be sure I know what I'm getting.
What I find really interesting is that the next best thing to trance is Baroque. Bach, Hyden, Vivaldi are excellent. They have almost the same affect on me except the uplifting, blood pumping qualities are not as intense. If I've had too much coffee this is usually what I go with.
Most of the beautiful people I know (OK, it's not hard scientific fact but I think it would stand up) aren't churning out the kids. They are too busy going to aerobics and maintaining their careers to have time for children. The people I know with 3+ kids look, on average, not as desirable to my 20th century conditioned eyes as the ones who are going to aerobics to keep in good physical health and are maintaining their careers so that they can stay in fashion and in good mental health.
I suppose you could argue that my not-so-beautiful aquaintances look and act the way they do because they have 3+ kids running them ragged and driving them nuts but I've known quite a few of them a long time and that doesn't pan out.
I think the reason that you are getting these responces is that for me, and obviously others, this is more an issue of separating the haves from the have nots. If it were purely an issue of making everybody's kid a healthier, shiny, happy person I'd be all for it. When you responded to my original post I put it in that context of the point I was trying to get across and thus the flame. I really am sorry about the Hitler thing. You clearly didn't deserve it.
However, I think you are wrong anyway. Ugly people (both of the mind and the body) are often very effective breeders. Often more so than their physically and emontionally attractive counterparts. It sounds like you've been watching that science of sex show that TLC runs every now and then when their ratings start to drop. I always thought the people doing that research where just looking for a way to get payed to view porn and oggle beachgoers with for a "legitimate" reason. Today's idea of what is beautiful and desirable has more to do with the psychological tricks played on us by clever advertising than anything actually programmed into us.
My beef which caused the hasty rant before has to do with people who think "good breeding/engineering" make them superior to those without and then use it as an excuse to discriminate, ridicule, and persecute.
Thank you Mister Hitler. Get back to your bunker please. I'm sorry I can't phase this in a more non-flamebait manner but people who use natural selection to justify their greed and personal prejudice should be labled for what they are.
Just look at health care in the US. Already, there is a growing inequity between those that can afford quality, preventive care and those that are just plain screwed. Better basic health care would save everyone money but the system just doesn't work that way. Imagine how cheap but unnecesary genetic engineering would figure into this equation and things look shamefully ugly to me.
This is very true and is one of the biggest reasons why this sort of genetic engineering should not be allowed until it is possible for everyone to participate. Even then, I doubt we could avoid a Gattaga style scenario.
THE EARTH...
What a dull name.
I was nodding along with you up till that last comment. While you are technically correct about Apple's G4 product not on the top of the heap in a bang/buck sence, you are totally discouting the new IBM mobo that is coming out and the new systems that will be based on that. You should at least tack on a 'yet' to the end of that statement. It's just FUD flamebait without one.
I was just browsing their ftp site and I didn't see gcc or egcs there. I saw pgcc instead. Can anybody here comment as to what is the basis for this choice? From what little I know pgcc is optimized for pentium and uses some of MMX. How is it for floating point compared to gcc/egcs?
This has to be one of the sadder statements I've read in a while. Having enough money makes you more comfortable because you can aford to keep your kids in daycare while you work all those long hours? If I had more money than I knew what to do with I'd be cuttin' back on the hours and pulling my kid out of daycare early so I could spend more time with him. I realize that being able to afford daycare is a necessary and difficult thing for a lot of people without premium jobs but I think this is different.
My kid is too special to me and he is growing up faster than I'm ready for as it is. I don't know much of anything about Judy Estrin so I'm hoping that this was just a careless phrase on her part. Maybe if I had as cool a job as CTO for Cisco I'd feel differently about where I spent my time, I dunno, but with the so-so job I have I'd much rather be at home enjoying the familly.
And this is different than the current system in what way? Sorry, I'm in a bad mood. You are obviously joking.... :)
I don't think most people will have much choice but to stick with X unless these guys get the encouragement they need to move this thing along. Right now, we can run how many chat clients, process managers, cpu meters with X? Just stick x, g, or k in front of your old favorite terminal app. I say more power to them, it can't hurt to have bchat, btop, and bterm too choose from as well.
All Rob would have to do is stick in some HTML anchors and then link the comments that he wants MM'd together. That way you can click your way through the MM process. If he also makes any MM comment visiable no matter what your tolerance, you are all set. Much more convenient than the current situation.
The other bit the Wrights got first was that they mastered control before anybody else. The Europeans only accepted the Wrights claim of first flight when they demonstrated the ability to fly in a controlled path versus just a stable straight line.
"The B50 is a space-saving server with the performance, capacity, reliability, and flexibility to run your most demanding Web-based applications. Featuring the PowerPC 604e 375MHz processor with with 1MB of L2 cache and up to 1GB of memory capacity, the B50 also has an internal storage capacity of up to 36.4GB, an integrated Ethernet 10/100 port, two PCI expansion slots, and standard 32X SCSI CD-ROM and diskette drives."
Sounds like it would make a good final death gasp in the Apple 9500 line. But it's probably based on a better motherboard so who knows? Somebody please tell me I'm wrong and explain why because otherwise this is pretty drab.