"I refuse to spend my life worrying about what I eat. There is no pleasure worth forgoing just for an extra three years in the geriatric ward."
That of course the question. While people mostly assume that all the dietary restrictions they put on themselves will somehow make them live foreveer, the shivering truth is even if these restrictions keep you from keeling over from say a heart attack, any reduction on one cause of death, can only increase the likelihood of dying from something else.
That was the reason humans started producing it. It killed all of the microbes and other parasites that they didn't understand and couldn't see and meant that you wouldn't shit your own eyeballs out from illness you could get from water due to poor sanitation. Historically beer had much lower alcohol levels for the stuff that workers were drinking out in the fields or that was being served at meals.
Exactly. Beer, with it's much lessened microbial hotel load, it's yeast provided B vitamins, and it's sedative effect has probably saved many more lives than it has hurt. But the puritans apparently believe they are going to live forever
BTW, the next big push will be eating insects. The UN is pushing that hard already.
Diet is super important. We can't go around making naive assumptions. Neither can we trust failed epidemiology to untangle these incredibly complex signals. However, from the microbiome (and proteomics) much truth shall flow, even if it proves to be slow going.
Shit man, with your knowledge you are going to live forever.
The first fucking Moon missions were because of Russia.
Now, it's because of China.
That's correct. Keep up, or get left behind. If there is a strategic use for the moon and planets, and we're busy whining about robots and meatbags, whoever sends the meatbags ends up winning.
There are lights in the countryside too, even small villages in third world countries have light provided by charging up batteries from solar panels during the day, or even by igniting fires.
And is there some overpowering force that prevents schools from opening when the local clocks aren't displaying "9" ? How about basing your school opening on the availability of daylight in your area rather than some arbitrary numbers?
Why I have to keep explaining the same thing over and over again? Why you demand that kids wait under a streetlamp at all, that tiny communities have to spend the tax dollars so that you demand, when they have a system that works.
Now - since you are the last person I am going to even address this to, try working out the details of how parents are going to get their children to day care or return from school for the variable times over the year? Should businesses change their starting and ending times? Work out how this will interface with the world at large.
Y'all are experiencing tunnel vision based on a very narrow view of the world. People with families work, their businesses and their workplaces start at particular time, other places across the world know when they can contact them, the world knows when, and not having to have to listen to people of short sight come up with short sighted non-solutions that merely create other problems. And for what?
So do parents of children have to adjust their personal work schedules to accommodate your continuously variable start and end of the school day
We already do this with DST. Is that so hard to grasp?
twice a year equals weekly? Depending on how granular you demand. Not to mention, in order to make your reply make sense, you would be forcing businesses to start and end at different times all of the year, as well as wildly gyrating times in northern latitudes.
Hint - moving forward 1 hour and backward one hour has everyone moving. So everyone is coordinated. Everyone shows up at the right time. Continuously varying needs a lookup table for each location, and then there is the weirdness inflicted on people without children.
Keep in mind that I was replying to an AC who was suggesting no time zones.
No, actually, he wasn't. He said "no need for time zones". More than one.
1=1, except for large values of 0.
And if the concept that all of these students should start at different times because of the Sunrise and sunset,
He didn't say that, either. All of them won't start at different times. They'll start at times that better match the natural day. There will be a lot of schools that have the same (plus or minus an insignificant amount) natural day.
Let's parse this. He wrote:
"Schools should start at 1.5 hours after sunrise and get out out 7.5 hours later if the school day is 7.5 hours. No need for time zones."
I believe he wrote that schools should start 1.5 hours after sunrise, at least that is exactly what he wrote, so my guess is that he meant that schools should start 90 minutes. after sunrise. note: being a spinning oblate spheroid such as the earth is, with one major light source, and that the first direct appearance of that light source is different at different points on the globe, starting at 1.5 hours after the sunrise will mean that using Coordinated Universal time as the metric - there will be many different start times. Pick your granularity for how many different start times suit.
Next up he wrote:
"No need for time zones"
I sorta figured out he meant no need for time zones, and that was because he wanted schools to open 1.5 hours after sunrise.
that is telling you that the country has too much east/west to be a single time zone.
Cities are not the only places that have lightbulbs in them.
But the countryside - are you telling me that they have streetlamps just like cities? Note - I grew up in the country - it isn't like urban areas. We had a streetlamp near our house, but many places along my bus route did not.
All of you guys arguing that everyplacehasstreetlamps are either trolling, or are stretching the limits of being obtuse.
Absolutely false. What is insane is the idea that just because it is certain o'clock, one must start working irrespective of sunlight, nature of work, season, health etc.
Oh you throw the pejoratives around there Sparky. Sorry, child, but it is not at all "insane" or "retarded" to want to do work when it is light out. Good day, Sparky.
But you're not wrong: what's the point in us trying to be secure if the damned sites we're trying to be secure on can't get their sh!t in order? How about some repercussions for lax security on the other side? Public non-apologies aren't good enough; somebody in authority at each company needs to be held accountable. "The captain is responsible for his ship and crew" and all that.
As long as the people in charge of the companies have absolutely no liability, these companies will have absolutely no security. Asome of these companies stored passwords in cleartext - some used md5 - not much better.
This needs to be criminalized, or else it will continue unabated, because no punishment, no fix. Bring a CEO into court, jail hime for a few years, and its a dead lock that the problem will be fixed in a matter of days.
The passwords were scrambled, so as long as a password is at least 12 characters of random upper and lowercase letters, numbers, and punctuation, and hasn't been used on any other sites, it's practically immune to brute-force attacks.
It wasn't brute force, and the passwords were quite accessible.
Some places the passwords were stored using MD5, some were stored in cleartext. FTFA:
According to the hacker’s listings, Ixigo and PetFlow used the old and outdated MD5 hashing algorithm to scramble passwords, which these days is easy to unscramble. YouNow is said to have not scrambled user passwords at all.
And the security agency says it is likely the others were similarly easy to crack. Point is, these identity thefts were not made on systems with anything resembling security.
Ah come on.. Even the most secure password is all but pointless... UNLESS... .
My point was that you can have as secure a password as you can have, but since the companies that people entrust their data to are simply not following any (or lax) security.
"According to the hacker’s listings, Ixigo and PetFlow used the old and outdated MD5 hashing algorithm to scramble passwords, which these days is easy to unscramble. YouNow is said to have not scrambled user passwords at all."
And the security researcher says the hacker may have used the same tactics on the other sites.
Doesn't matter what your password is if it's available in cleartext for the taking. And while I have my computers battened down, companies with little to no security are wide open. Plus why worry about the single user, when you can get everyone?
But the concept of no time zones, everything based on local sunset sunrise times is waaaaaay too much granularity, merely substituting a workable system with thousands of different times.
I think the point of the article is that India doesn't have a workable system, given the problems seen by students and sleep issues. They have one timezone, not "no time zones", and a proposed solution FOR STUDENTS is to start school based on the sun schedule, not an arbitrary fixed time.
Keep in mind that I was replying to an AC who was suggesting no time zones.
And if the concept that all of these students should start at different times because of the Sunrise and sunset, that is telling you that the country has too much east/west to be a single time zone.
That's just a different time zone then. Only you don't call it a different time zone.
No it is not.
Trains, planes etc. are scheduled to the "time zone" not to the opening of schools.
You are reading it too specifically. If you are in a certain time zone that is covering an area that is too large for it, and set the western time as the same time zone, but send them to school an hour later than in the eastern portion, you are doing the exact same thing as sending them to school at the same numerical time in a different time zone number.
Either way, the students in the western portion are going to school an hour later. No difference in effect. Students in the east - 8:00 a.m. Students in the west, 9:00 a.m.
I'm from that general area. DST is annoying except for people who want an extra hour to drink at the bar.
Cute. I use it to do work around the house. It's a little strange, people that go to bars around here do it regardless of light/dark times.
School doesn't have to start at "7:30am" all year long. It can start at 7:30a at one time of the year and 8:30a at another time. Problem solved.
So do parents of children have to adjust their personal work schedules to accommodate your continuously variable start and end of the school day? Sorry boss, we'll have to have that big meeting three hours later because School starts at 10:00 a.m. today.
Does the same thing without the retarded obsession of trying to match time with the sun.
It's kinda how people evolved, Spanky. And you see nothing other than what filters in for you personally via your tunnel vision. Have fun.
Why would the kids be waiting in pitch black for the bus? Is Minnesota some third world location where they dont have lighting, or even fire?
And why does school have to start when the clock says 9? why can't school start at 10?
Siddown and pay attention. Not everyone lives in a brightly lit up city. A surprising number of people live in the countryside.
Of course, this is just your way of showing that you aren't capable of thinking that there is anything other than what you see when you look outside the door.
No - banks, factories, post-offices, transportation offices, agriculture all may have different requirements. If every other aspect of life is affected just because an idiot badly studied only schools - that is not called a different time zone but pure madness.
Correct. Kinda. Humans have evolved to be primarily daylight animals. So we have evolved to work while it is daylight out. That part is simple. It means that in any given area, the people will work most efficiently during the day. So the whole concept that some have espoused of having one time zone for the whole globe means more of that madness you speak of. Not only would some people be forced to start and end work at varying light or dark hours, they would have to come to grips with the fact that the next calendar day will start at any time during that light/dark cycle. Imagine it's Tuesday, and an hour after you get up it's Wednesday. or the day changes in the middle of the work day, so you get to stagger hours. You are at work for 8 hours a day, but 4 might actually be from the day before, and four of your hours might be on the next day. It's insane.
Some places like Minnesota would have their kids waiting for the school bus in pitch black during the winter
Oh noes, won't someone invent the lightbulb to save us from this heinous darkness! Seriously though, what kind of a screwed up city doesn't have lighting at bus stops?
Cities are not the only place that have people in them.
In the military it was Zulu time. One learned it and figured out how to deal with it.
Yup. I use Zulu or UT a lot. For Military or radio work, you sometimes have to do that when the two or more sides simply have to connect at a certain time. But of course that means some times the same Zulu time means that what is convenient for one place during the middle of the day means other countries might have to change their entire scheduling to the business day being in the middle of the night.
So next we'll be arguing which country gets the prime daylight hours.
Where I work we have international operations, had to work out the business timeflow and fit the cron jobs properly. Fun times. Any other system is just that: a different but similar set of methods and operations needed for communication and resource allocation.
Exactly. There will be something "wrong" with any system we come up with.
Fortunately, I have no idea what shit tastes like, and have no intention of learning.
Maudite is a malt heavy, high gravity beer, and a decent example of the genre. I'd be surprised if it actually tastes like feces, but will defer to your experience.
That's just a different time zone then. Only you don't call it a different time zone.
And yet it has none of the confusion of "now is that time in Time Zone 1, 2, or 3?". But, I suppose it does introduce the confusion of "what do you mean 6p is too late to call you??".
No matter what people come up with, there is no really good solution. Because the earth is a tilted globe, and people tend to have a solution based on their local conditions. Meanwhile, most of us have a system that works. I can call anyone around the globe while they are at work, by simply doing about 500 milliseconds of math, and correlating with my time. I've had to do it for years. If we all went to say Universal time, which is one time zone for the whole planet, I'd have munltiple tables to look up, more work, and gain nothing. India is kinda the example of the issue on a small scale.
and its not pitch black, its snow white during the winter
I always though Snow White was kinda hot, but never liked those weird cartoon fantasy porns about the seven dwarves running a train on her. Know what I mean homie?
Slashdot Mirror
Agreed. And I'm already dead.
Well, there ya go!
"I refuse to spend my life worrying about what I eat. There is no pleasure worth forgoing just for an extra three years in the geriatric ward."
That of course the question. While people mostly assume that all the dietary restrictions they put on themselves will somehow make them live foreveer, the shivering truth is even if these restrictions keep you from keeling over from say a heart attack, any reduction on one cause of death, can only increase the likelihood of dying from something else.
We should replicate studies and confirm analysis independently before we get too excited about any results..
That's true, but the hitch is there will be financial interests working and braying about whatever study gives them better profit opportunities.
Not to mention the special interest groups like vegans.
Or what I consider the ultimate insanity of the food puritans. Healthy sugar!
And we don't hear much about Nitrates in veggies, but Got damn! Cured meats are shit!. Holy Botulism Batman!
Remember when cooking in Aluminum utensils was going to give us Alzheimers?
Eggs
All you have to do is look at who loses, and who profits.
Alcohol is a literal poison.
That was the reason humans started producing it. It killed all of the microbes and other parasites that they didn't understand and couldn't see and meant that you wouldn't shit your own eyeballs out from illness you could get from water due to poor sanitation. Historically beer had much lower alcohol levels for the stuff that workers were drinking out in the fields or that was being served at meals.
Exactly. Beer, with it's much lessened microbial hotel load, it's yeast provided B vitamins, and it's sedative effect has probably saved many more lives than it has hurt. But the puritans apparently believe they are going to live forever
BTW, the next big push will be eating insects. The UN is pushing that hard already.
Diet is super important. We can't go around making naive assumptions. Neither can we trust failed epidemiology to untangle these incredibly complex signals. However, from the microbiome (and proteomics) much truth shall flow, even if it proves to be slow going.
Shit man, with your knowledge you are going to live forever.
The first fucking Moon missions were because of Russia.
Now, it's because of China.
That's correct. Keep up, or get left behind. If there is a strategic use for the moon and planets, and we're busy whining about robots and meatbags, whoever sends the meatbags ends up winning.
that purple hair or a purple wig is part of their uniform. /s
Because they are strong and indepenent and don't need a man in their life?
Oh - and they need to speak with the manager.
There are lights in the countryside too, even small villages in third world countries have light provided by charging up batteries from solar panels during the day, or even by igniting fires.
And is there some overpowering force that prevents schools from opening when the local clocks aren't displaying "9" ? How about basing your school opening on the availability of daylight in your area rather than some arbitrary numbers?
Why I have to keep explaining the same thing over and over again? Why you demand that kids wait under a streetlamp at all, that tiny communities have to spend the tax dollars so that you demand, when they have a system that works.
Now - since you are the last person I am going to even address this to, try working out the details of how parents are going to get their children to day care or return from school for the variable times over the year? Should businesses change their starting and ending times? Work out how this will interface with the world at large.
Y'all are experiencing tunnel vision based on a very narrow view of the world. People with families work, their businesses and their workplaces start at particular time, other places across the world know when they can contact them, the world knows when, and not having to have to listen to people of short sight come up with short sighted non-solutions that merely create other problems. And for what?
So do parents of children have to adjust their personal work schedules to accommodate your continuously variable start and end of the school day
We already do this with DST. Is that so hard to grasp?
twice a year equals weekly? Depending on how granular you demand. Not to mention, in order to make your reply make sense, you would be forcing businesses to start and end at different times all of the year, as well as wildly gyrating times in northern latitudes.
Hint - moving forward 1 hour and backward one hour has everyone moving. So everyone is coordinated. Everyone shows up at the right time. Continuously varying needs a lookup table for each location, and then there is the weirdness inflicted on people without children.
Keep in mind that I was replying to an AC who was suggesting no time zones.
No, actually, he wasn't. He said "no need for time zones". More than one.
1=1, except for large values of 0.
And if the concept that all of these students should start at different times because of the Sunrise and sunset,
He didn't say that, either. All of them won't start at different times. They'll start at times that better match the natural day. There will be a lot of schools that have the same (plus or minus an insignificant amount) natural day.
Let's parse this. He wrote:
"Schools should start at 1.5 hours after sunrise and get out out 7.5 hours later if the school day is 7.5 hours. No need for time zones."
I believe he wrote that schools should start 1.5 hours after sunrise, at least that is exactly what he wrote, so my guess is that he meant that schools should start 90 minutes. after sunrise. note: being a spinning oblate spheroid such as the earth is, with one major light source, and that the first direct appearance of that light source is different at different points on the globe, starting at 1.5 hours after the sunrise will mean that using Coordinated Universal time as the metric - there will be many different start times. Pick your granularity for how many different start times suit.
Next up he wrote:
"No need for time zones"
I sorta figured out he meant no need for time zones, and that was because he wanted schools to open 1.5 hours after sunrise.
that is telling you that the country has too much east /west to be a single time zone.
Don't pee on my leg and tell me that its raining.
Cities are not the only places that have lightbulbs in them.
But the countryside - are you telling me that they have streetlamps just like cities? Note - I grew up in the country - it isn't like urban areas. We had a streetlamp near our house, but many places along my bus route did not.
All of you guys arguing that everyplacehasstreetlamps are either trolling, or are stretching the limits of being obtuse.
Absolutely false. What is insane is the idea that just because it is certain o'clock, one must start working irrespective of sunlight, nature of work, season, health etc.
Oh you throw the pejoratives around there Sparky. Sorry, child, but it is not at all "insane" or "retarded" to want to do work when it is light out. Good day, Sparky.
$20,000 isn't free.
But you're not wrong: what's the point in us trying to be secure if the damned sites we're trying to be secure on can't get their sh!t in order? How about some repercussions for lax security on the other side? Public non-apologies aren't good enough; somebody in authority at each company needs to be held accountable. "The captain is responsible for his ship and crew" and all that.
As long as the people in charge of the companies have absolutely no liability, these companies will have absolutely no security. Asome of these companies stored passwords in cleartext - some used md5 - not much better.
This needs to be criminalized, or else it will continue unabated, because no punishment, no fix. Bring a CEO into court, jail hime for a few years, and its a dead lock that the problem will be fixed in a matter of days.
The passwords were scrambled, so as long as a password is at least 12 characters of random upper and lowercase letters, numbers, and punctuation, and hasn't been used on any other sites, it's practically immune to brute-force attacks.
It wasn't brute force, and the passwords were quite accessible.
Some places the passwords were stored using MD5, some were stored in cleartext. FTFA:
According to the hacker’s listings, Ixigo and PetFlow used the old and outdated MD5 hashing algorithm to scramble passwords, which these days is easy to unscramble. YouNow is said to have not scrambled user passwords at all.
And the security agency says it is likely the others were similarly easy to crack. Point is, these identity thefts were not made on systems with anything resembling security.
Ah come on.. Even the most secure password is all but pointless... UNLESS... .
My point was that you can have as secure a password as you can have, but since the companies that people entrust their data to are simply not following any (or lax) security.
"According to the hacker’s listings, Ixigo and PetFlow used the old and outdated MD5 hashing algorithm to scramble passwords, which these days is easy to unscramble. YouNow is said to have not scrambled user passwords at all." And the security researcher says the hacker may have used the same tactics on the other sites.
Doesn't matter what your password is if it's available in cleartext for the taking. And while I have my computers battened down, companies with little to no security are wide open. Plus why worry about the single user, when you can get everyone?
But the concept of no time zones, everything based on local sunset sunrise times is waaaaaay too much granularity, merely substituting a workable system with thousands of different times.
I think the point of the article is that India doesn't have a workable system, given the problems seen by students and sleep issues. They have one timezone, not "no time zones", and a proposed solution FOR STUDENTS is to start school based on the sun schedule, not an arbitrary fixed time.
Keep in mind that I was replying to an AC who was suggesting no time zones.
And if the concept that all of these students should start at different times because of the Sunrise and sunset, that is telling you that the country has too much east /west to be a single time zone.
That's just a different time zone then. Only you don't call it a different time zone. No it is not. Trains, planes etc. are scheduled to the "time zone" not to the opening of schools.
You are reading it too specifically. If you are in a certain time zone that is covering an area that is too large for it, and set the western time as the same time zone, but send them to school an hour later than in the eastern portion, you are doing the exact same thing as sending them to school at the same numerical time in a different time zone number.
Either way, the students in the western portion are going to school an hour later. No difference in effect. Students in the east - 8:00 a.m. Students in the west, 9:00 a.m.
I'm from that general area. DST is annoying except for people who want an extra hour to drink at the bar.
Cute. I use it to do work around the house. It's a little strange, people that go to bars around here do it regardless of light/dark times.
School doesn't have to start at "7:30am" all year long. It can start at 7:30a at one time of the year and 8:30a at another time. Problem solved.
So do parents of children have to adjust their personal work schedules to accommodate your continuously variable start and end of the school day? Sorry boss, we'll have to have that big meeting three hours later because School starts at 10:00 a.m. today.
Does the same thing without the retarded obsession of trying to match time with the sun.
It's kinda how people evolved, Spanky. And you see nothing other than what filters in for you personally via your tunnel vision. Have fun.
Why would the kids be waiting in pitch black for the bus? Is Minnesota some third world location where they dont have lighting, or even fire? And why does school have to start when the clock says 9? why can't school start at 10?
Siddown and pay attention. Not everyone lives in a brightly lit up city. A surprising number of people live in the countryside.
Of course, this is just your way of showing that you aren't capable of thinking that there is anything other than what you see when you look outside the door.
No - banks, factories, post-offices, transportation offices, agriculture all may have different requirements. If every other aspect of life is affected just because an idiot badly studied only schools - that is not called a different time zone but pure madness.
Correct. Kinda. Humans have evolved to be primarily daylight animals. So we have evolved to work while it is daylight out. That part is simple. It means that in any given area, the people will work most efficiently during the day. So the whole concept that some have espoused of having one time zone for the whole globe means more of that madness you speak of. Not only would some people be forced to start and end work at varying light or dark hours, they would have to come to grips with the fact that the next calendar day will start at any time during that light/dark cycle. Imagine it's Tuesday, and an hour after you get up it's Wednesday. or the day changes in the middle of the work day, so you get to stagger hours. You are at work for 8 hours a day, but 4 might actually be from the day before, and four of your hours might be on the next day. It's insane.
Some places like Minnesota would have their kids waiting for the school bus in pitch black during the winter
Oh noes, won't someone invent the lightbulb to save us from this heinous darkness! Seriously though, what kind of a screwed up city doesn't have lighting at bus stops?
Cities are not the only place that have people in them.
Ha! The Evils of TimeZones!
In the military it was Zulu time. One learned it and figured out how to deal with it.
Yup. I use Zulu or UT a lot. For Military or radio work, you sometimes have to do that when the two or more sides simply have to connect at a certain time. But of course that means some times the same Zulu time means that what is convenient for one place during the middle of the day means other countries might have to change their entire scheduling to the business day being in the middle of the night.
So next we'll be arguing which country gets the prime daylight hours.
Where I work we have international operations, had to work out the business timeflow and fit the cron jobs properly. Fun times. Any other system is just that: a different but similar set of methods and operations needed for communication and resource allocation.
Exactly. There will be something "wrong" with any system we come up with.
maudite taste like shit try a pit caribou
Fortunately, I have no idea what shit tastes like, and have no intention of learning.
Maudite is a malt heavy, high gravity beer, and a decent example of the genre. I'd be surprised if it actually tastes like feces, but will defer to your experience.
That's just a different time zone then. Only you don't call it a different time zone.
And yet it has none of the confusion of "now is that time in Time Zone 1, 2, or 3?". But, I suppose it does introduce the confusion of "what do you mean 6p is too late to call you??".
No matter what people come up with, there is no really good solution. Because the earth is a tilted globe, and people tend to have a solution based on their local conditions. Meanwhile, most of us have a system that works. I can call anyone around the globe while they are at work, by simply doing about 500 milliseconds of math, and correlating with my time. I've had to do it for years. If we all went to say Universal time, which is one time zone for the whole planet, I'd have munltiple tables to look up, more work, and gain nothing. India is kinda the example of the issue on a small scale.
and its not pitch black, its snow white during the winter
I always though Snow White was kinda hot, but never liked those weird cartoon fantasy porns about the seven dwarves running a train on her. Know what I mean homie?