“Plug in”? I though to upgrade, you just threw your old one in the trash and ordered a new one.
No, you just mate your Bluetooth headset. Of course on Slashdot, you have to be on a leash connected to the computer.
When I've had to used wired headphones, I've always been surprised at how many times I've forgotten I was on a leash, and walked away only to have the phones ripped off my head. Destroyed a few phone jacks that way too.
It's an 'all-new' Apple, so they won't renew the connectors, they'll just invent new ones. Proprietory, never-seen-before, custom, Apple-licensed connectors that require a 'new generation of peripherals' that conform to a new standard that lasts 24 months.
I too miss my parallel port and telephone modem ports.
Do you think these use cases are ones Apple actually gives a shit about?
Only on Slashdot has the disappearance of built in RJ45 somehow become an Apple issue.
Apple laptops don't have have DB9 serial ports, parallel ports or built in firewire ports either.
For those who care there are USB-C and Thunderbolt docking stations available and they work fine. Personally I'm with you and would rather have a 8P8C ethernet port built in but clearly I'm not the customer Apple is courting.
And for my purposes, I'd like a DB9 serial port on laptops as well. But alas, I fear that the availability of inexpensive adapters make these edge cases addressable. My new tricked out Dell 5530 Workstation laptop requires adapters for Old school USB, RJ45, and HDMI.
This is the direction that laptops are going. And not just Apple.
And how! I've Had a few of their unrecommended Jeeps, I have to say that there has to be some major disconnect somewhere.
Jeeps function pretty well though Wagoneer automatic transmissions and some V8s were pieces of shit that put many nice donors into salvage yards before their time.
I was lucky enough to get a Grand Cherokee with the inline six. Over 200K on it, and it was still going strong when I sold it. Not easy miles either.
I've given less credence to their reports over time. There are some vehicles they simply don't like.
Jeeps come to mind. I'm on my third one now (still have two) and happy with them. They do what I want my vehicles to do, and I've put a lot of trouble free miles on them.
You seem to be saying that you have free will because you can behave unpredictably or on gut instinct but either way you are still a mass of quarks and electrons all of which are governed by the laws of physics, it is that which is predictable.
It would seem that almost all decisions would be exactly the same though if we have no free will based on subatomic particles. . We aren't operating at that level.
The choices you make are the choices of a machine moving according to the laws of physics there is only one course - that laid down by the laws of physics, it is fate, you would never have made any other choice. in the future you will only ever have one choice unless you have a spirit external to the machine which can change the course of the machine.
This is starting to sound like the creationist's 2nd law of thermodynamics argument. That the only possible way for the universe to exist being that their god constantly tinkers with it. Because, you know - entropy.
A crowbar dropped from orbit has a lot of kinetic energy
Orbital mechanics don't work that way. You cannot "drop" anything from orbit. And even if you manage to accelerate the crowbar enough to drop straight down, it would vaporize before it hit the ground.
He forgot to tell you about the engines and guidance system strapped onto the crowbar.
Why would you launch a military strike from the Moon? Wouldn't it be easier to launch a strike....from Earth?
Why would you launch a military strike from the Moon? Wouldn't it be easier to launch a strike....from Earth?
Use your orbital mechanics knowledge to understand why the strategic use of the moon in the event of war is not the moon attacking the earth, but the problems the earth would have attacking the moon. One of these things is not like the other.
I'm not religious but how can there be free will under atheism? After all if everything runs like clockwork and consciousness is an emergent property of matter which is governed but a strict set of physics rules then surely there is no free will - clocks can't choose when they tick or which way the hand goes./devils advocate.
Clocks are an abstract of what humans call time. Which in itself isa sort of abstraction. Some folks even argue that time doesn't exist. So for me, it's kind of hard to go there on the free will argument.
And some have tried to argue that free will doesn't exist because in experiments with brain activity show particular avtivity before the person claims to know what answer they give to a question. Well - that's a shitload of interpretation.
Here's the thing for me. The biblical version of no free will involves an omnipotent being that knows forever. One who knew when he created the earth in October 4004 BCE that some 6000+ years later that Ol Olsoc or MrL0G1C was going to be religions, knows every single act that either of us will do our entire lives. We have no choice of breaking free of his knowledge.
Now for me, there is no doubt a certain amount of predictability in anything I do, and those who know me well can hazard a decent guess as to how I will react. But those are percentages or odds. While most of the time I rely on a rationale or simple logic oreven consistency, I've been known to make gut decisions that are more intuitive than anything else. Very seldom indeed, but that blows complete predictability away, without being purposefully contrary.
To me, the scientific arguments for no free will take a leap of faith that is not needed in the Christian omnipotent being that knows all and everything from creation to the end of time. His minions have no choice.
I do have a choice, unless I am wrong, and he knows everything about me.
May I correct you?
FSB hell is ugly STD infected stripper factory and coors of any "type". So yes FSB hell is at or near Golden Colorado.
That was brutal! But you aren't wrong. As me dear departed mom - who enjoyed a good beer now and again - used to say, "Coors is PeeWaa."
I wonder if the FSM could get Genesee to make Genny Red again? Not that it was the best beer on earth, but it was lawnmower beer that actually had some taste. Actually got me to enjoy yard work.
You know, the "I don't need God to be moral!" guys.
Oh, where does your morality come from?
If people believe that morality comes from God, how do they know whether an action is moral or not? Does God tell them directly? How do they even know which version of God is the right one? Why do people disagree about what God wants?
There is a pretty basic tenet, some times called "The Golden Rule" That pretty much is the basis of evolutionary morality. And when it has been violated and abused, it has often been at the hands of the religious.
Acting out of fear or hope for a reward is part of our moral system.
You have just shown exactly why so many Christians and other fundy type religions have people who preach one thing, then act in another way. The queer hater, the sexual puritan, so often are found bumping uglies with another guy or boinking a preteen girl.
Because they are filled with urges for homosexual sex, or get wood over prepubescent girls. So their religion is perhaps an attempt to keep away from them. But they fail.
Me? I've been an atheist since at confirmation time, the Bishop only wanted to talk about masturbation, and it was obvious he really enjoyed talking about teenagers stroking their wood or fondling their figs. Hmmmm.
But here's the catch. I don't care about what homosexuals do. I'm not one. And I think anyone engaging in sex with the prepubescent is not only morally wrong, but jeebuz k.ryst, it's completely physically wrong, the kids aren't ready.
I don't steal or kill people because I don't want it done to me. I don't boink the neighbors wife because I don't want him yencing mine. In fact, on the moral scale, I probably measure much higher than most evangelicals and fundies.
But I don't do these things out of fear. i do them because they make sense, simply treating others in the same way I want to be treated.
Ironic that I am presumably going straight to hell, but that guy who banged the 8 year old simply confesses his sins, "finds jeezuz, and this train is bound for GLORY! Can I get an amen?
In Biblical Christianity, our motivation to do good should not be about fear of punishment or hope of reward.
After accepting the gift of the payment of our sin debt, God asks us to love others as He loved us.
And if we don't, some apple eating asshole in 4004 BCE will have caused a kind, merciful and loving God to tortuure us for eternity. Tell me - after you r skin is charred to teh bone the first time, does it regenerate immediately, or does your kind loving and merciful gawd want it to fester and turn septic before the next round of his love?
Do you think that your gad watches the people he is having tortured, and is pleased that his greatest creatyion is undergoing such treatment?
All of your bullshit belief indicates absolutely no free will, an omnipotent creator that knows all things, one that knowingly creates humans that he knows he will incinerate when they die. No free will, a creator who is incredibly incompetent, creating creatures that do not meet his expectations - If he exists, I'd as soon go to hell rather than worship an incompetent and homicidal gawd, who plans on everlasting torture for me if I don't protect myself from him by worshiping him.
My hope is to descend into nothingness, and that is it. Waking up in heaven or hell would be the same unwanted situation to me.
What's so bad about wanting a reward? Do you work for free?
Curious - since religion is the source of your morality, would you be a rapist or child molester if not for your religion?
Also - do people have sex in heaven? I really enjoy sex.
And given the divorce rate of Evangelicals, It must get pretty complicated with that nookie thing. Or do you just spend all your time worshiping the guy who would torture you forever if you didn't worship him?
And he has to be able to think of alternate third hypotheses to not fall into the false dilemma trap (e.g. there is not only Darwinism and Biblical Creationism, there is also the Flying Spaghetti Monster).
Well, we all know that this third hypothesis is just complete nonsense. The only valid third hypothesis is, of course, the Invisible Pink Unicorn.
Hersey!!! perhaps even apostacy! Naught for you but stale beer and STD infected strippers!
If you believe the people around you are sheep who are not thinking, dyeing your wool to be a more garish colored sheep who is also not thinking is not an improvement. In fact, it is sincere endorsement of sheep-thinking.
Explain? Because the majority of people on earth do not engage in critical thinking isn't too difficult to prove.
And you have tipped your hand - Authorities? I get my knowledge not from authorities but from science as far as possible.
And who called who sheeple? I know a lot of intelligent people who cannot think critically. "Sheeple" tends to tie in with your apparent political "Authorities" belief.
And he has to be able to think of alternate third hypotheses to not fall into the false dilemma trap (e.g. there is not only Darwinism and Biblical Creationism, there is also the Flying Spaghetti Monster).
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?.......And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us some pizza, for thine is the meatball, the noodle, and the sauce, forever and ever. R’amen.
A lot of the flat earthers I've met are really just trolling other people.
If the number of "believers" is going up then it might be that the number of critical thinkers is going up.
How does critical thinking lead one to the conclusion that the earth is flat?
Are you equating anti-science and denialism with critical thinking?
It has been known for a long time that the earth is a globe, and for a few decades now that it is an oblate spheroid. What is more, there are a lot of experiments that a group of people can undertake to determine that the earth is a spheroid, and even if not, that it is impossible to be a plane. No need to be a scientist, and no need for expensive equipment.
One simple one is the "noon at solstice" measurement. With gnomons, a group of people can measure the length of the shadow of a fixed length gnomon mounted vertically lengthwise at noon at the summer solstice at several different points.
The same experiment will measure the tilt, and when spread out in longitude as well as latitude, the results of a spherical structure lit by one source of light.
This experiment has already been done. The results? At the equator at noon on the summer solstice, the shadow is essentially vertical. The further north and south we go, the shadows of the gnomons will become longer and longer. If we include people at different longitudes they will have shadows in different directions lengthening until they are in darkness.
Simply saying "I don't believe it" is not critical thinking. It is denialism if you don't conduct the experiments to prove your alternative hypothesis.
The DST and now single Time zone proponents are like a mild form of anti-vaxxing.
I guess that is a valid way of looking at it.
I look at it differently. I have lived a majority of my life without having to deal with DST. Every time I have to deal with it (DST), I get headaches and weariness and I can never concentrate because I always have to worry about when the time is going to change again.
From my point of view, changing time is like changing reality. Fuck that. Reality is. Change yourself.
This reminds me of how many people here on slashdot shit their pants about metric versus Imperial. Stand by for the shitstorm I just started with that comment. What the issue is a marked rigidity in thinking.
Me? It is all arbitrary, and it all works, so I switch 100 percent seamlessly between Metric and Imperial. Time zones mean nothing to me - If I want to speak with someone anywhere around the world, I just look it up once, and it is committed to memory. About the only thing that is a teeny bit more weird is remembering that for significant parts of the day, places like Oz are a day ahead.
If you want a real head scratcher, imagine the world going to Universal time, and the new day starting for you say, at 9:00 in the morning - or what used to be 9:00, now 0000 hours. Or perhaps at what used to be noon, so that you have to put in 4 hours labor on one day, then 4 the next day for one local workday. your timesheet.
Despite modern conservative thought, the world is not flat. It doesn't get light and dark over the entire earth at the same universal time. And I still haven't received a well thought out plan to put the entire world on one time.
And I'm beginning to think that the rigidity of thought so many here have means that they just decide the local time and screw the rest of the world. The chaos of that is why we started time zones in the first place. But so few here seem to remember or appreciate why that happened. Perhaps if we returned to pre-civilization days, we could go back to pre-civilization timekeeping. I suspect that some think that is a good idea as well.
That doesn't stop the individual from looking at Cochran reviews and so forth to get a more balanced picture and making up their own minds. I do this whenever the media bring up a new study making some claim or other.
But it won't cause them to look either. A lot of people want to hear that sucrose is healthier than High fructose corn sugar, and that diet drinks cause heart attacks. Now they slurp their Healthy sugar Big Gulps with a clear conscience.
Peeps is peeps, and for some reason they want to think that if they only eat this, or avoid that, they will live forever - at least in their minds.
Moderation has always and remains the best advice. They won't take that advice either.
So what should one eat in order to ensure that one "keels over from a heart attack"? Why would anyone not want the end to be sudden, complete, and catastrophic? Do you plan to enjoy that malingering slow death?
You eat what you like in moderation, and hope the end comes like a thief in the night.
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“Plug in”? I though to upgrade, you just threw your old one in the trash and ordered a new one.
No, you just mate your Bluetooth headset. Of course on Slashdot, you have to be on a leash connected to the computer.
When I've had to used wired headphones, I've always been surprised at how many times I've forgotten I was on a leash, and walked away only to have the phones ripped off my head. Destroyed a few phone jacks that way too.
It's an 'all-new' Apple, so they won't renew the connectors, they'll just invent new ones. Proprietory, never-seen-before, custom, Apple-licensed connectors that require a 'new generation of peripherals' that conform to a new standard that lasts 24 months.
I too miss my parallel port and telephone modem ports.
No wired network is a killer in some settings.
Do you think these use cases are ones Apple actually gives a shit about?
Only on Slashdot has the disappearance of built in RJ45 somehow become an Apple issue.
Apple laptops don't have have DB9 serial ports, parallel ports or built in firewire ports either.
For those who care there are USB-C and Thunderbolt docking stations available and they work fine. Personally I'm with you and would rather have a 8P8C ethernet port built in but clearly I'm not the customer Apple is courting.
And for my purposes, I'd like a DB9 serial port on laptops as well. But alas, I fear that the availability of inexpensive adapters make these edge cases addressable. My new tricked out Dell 5530 Workstation laptop requires adapters for Old school USB, RJ45, and HDMI.
This is the direction that laptops are going. And not just Apple.
Oh, and if you really needed to have Ethernet to connect by a wire to another computer then there's all kinds of adapters out there for this.
I've used the adapters, and they work pretty well. Some Slashdotters really hate adapters though.
But on laptops, the Ethernet port has pretty much gone the same way as the DB9 serial port.
CR has had a hardon for Jeeps for many years.
And how! I've Had a few of their unrecommended Jeeps, I have to say that there has to be some major disconnect somewhere.
Jeeps function pretty well though Wagoneer automatic transmissions and some V8s were pieces of shit that put many nice donors into salvage yards before their time.
I was lucky enough to get a Grand Cherokee with the inline six. Over 200K on it, and it was still going strong when I sold it. Not easy miles either.
Jeeps come to mind. I'm on my third one now (still have two) and happy with them. They do what I want my vehicles to do, and I've put a lot of trouble free miles on them.
You seem to be saying that you have free will because you can behave unpredictably or on gut instinct but either way you are still a mass of quarks and electrons all of which are governed by the laws of physics, it is that which is predictable.
It would seem that almost all decisions would be exactly the same though if we have no free will based on subatomic particles. . We aren't operating at that level.
The choices you make are the choices of a machine moving according to the laws of physics there is only one course - that laid down by the laws of physics, it is fate, you would never have made any other choice. in the future you will only ever have one choice unless you have a spirit external to the machine which can change the course of the machine.
This is starting to sound like the creationist's 2nd law of thermodynamics argument. That the only possible way for the universe to exist being that their god constantly tinkers with it. Because, you know - entropy.
A crowbar dropped from orbit has a lot of kinetic energy
Orbital mechanics don't work that way. You cannot "drop" anything from orbit. And even if you manage to accelerate the crowbar enough to drop straight down, it would vaporize before it hit the ground.
He forgot to tell you about the engines and guidance system strapped onto the crowbar.
Orbital mechanics are a bit of a bitch.
Why would you launch a military strike from the Moon? Wouldn't it be easier to launch a strike....from Earth?
Why would you launch a military strike from the Moon? Wouldn't it be easier to launch a strike....from Earth?
Use your orbital mechanics knowledge to understand why the strategic use of the moon in the event of war is not the moon attacking the earth, but the problems the earth would have attacking the moon. One of these things is not like the other.
All prayers should start with "Dear God, I would like to file a bug report..."
Wel played sir. Well played indeed.
Horsey. The word you were looking for was "horsey".
I think the Horsey was for the strippers..
Oh gar, I'm going to hell..........
Can god even have free will?
Can God create a burrito too hot for him to eat?
I'm not religious but how can there be free will under atheism? After all if everything runs like clockwork and consciousness is an emergent property of matter which is governed but a strict set of physics rules then surely there is no free will - clocks can't choose when they tick or which way the hand goes. /devils advocate.
Clocks are an abstract of what humans call time. Which in itself isa sort of abstraction. Some folks even argue that time doesn't exist. So for me, it's kind of hard to go there on the free will argument.
And some have tried to argue that free will doesn't exist because in experiments with brain activity show particular avtivity before the person claims to know what answer they give to a question. Well - that's a shitload of interpretation.
Here's the thing for me. The biblical version of no free will involves an omnipotent being that knows forever. One who knew when he created the earth in October 4004 BCE that some 6000+ years later that Ol Olsoc or MrL0G1C was going to be religions, knows every single act that either of us will do our entire lives. We have no choice of breaking free of his knowledge.
Now for me, there is no doubt a certain amount of predictability in anything I do, and those who know me well can hazard a decent guess as to how I will react. But those are percentages or odds. While most of the time I rely on a rationale or simple logic oreven consistency, I've been known to make gut decisions that are more intuitive than anything else. Very seldom indeed, but that blows complete predictability away, without being purposefully contrary.
To me, the scientific arguments for no free will take a leap of faith that is not needed in the Christian omnipotent being that knows all and everything from creation to the end of time. His minions have no choice.
I do have a choice, unless I am wrong, and he knows everything about me.
May I correct you? FSB hell is ugly STD infected stripper factory and coors of any "type". So yes FSB hell is at or near Golden Colorado.
That was brutal! But you aren't wrong. As me dear departed mom - who enjoyed a good beer now and again - used to say, "Coors is PeeWaa." I wonder if the FSM could get Genesee to make Genny Red again? Not that it was the best beer on earth, but it was lawnmower beer that actually had some taste. Actually got me to enjoy yard work.
You know, the "I don't need God to be moral!" guys.
Oh, where does your morality come from?
If people believe that morality comes from God, how do they know whether an action is moral or not? Does God tell them directly? How do they even know which version of God is the right one? Why do people disagree about what God wants?
There is a pretty basic tenet, some times called "The Golden Rule" That pretty much is the basis of evolutionary morality. And when it has been violated and abused, it has often been at the hands of the religious.
Acting out of fear or hope for a reward is part of our moral system.
You have just shown exactly why so many Christians and other fundy type religions have people who preach one thing, then act in another way. The queer hater, the sexual puritan, so often are found bumping uglies with another guy or boinking a preteen girl.
Because they are filled with urges for homosexual sex, or get wood over prepubescent girls. So their religion is perhaps an attempt to keep away from them. But they fail.
Me? I've been an atheist since at confirmation time, the Bishop only wanted to talk about masturbation, and it was obvious he really enjoyed talking about teenagers stroking their wood or fondling their figs. Hmmmm.
But here's the catch. I don't care about what homosexuals do. I'm not one. And I think anyone engaging in sex with the prepubescent is not only morally wrong, but jeebuz k.ryst, it's completely physically wrong, the kids aren't ready.
I don't steal or kill people because I don't want it done to me. I don't boink the neighbors wife because I don't want him yencing mine. In fact, on the moral scale, I probably measure much higher than most evangelicals and fundies.
But I don't do these things out of fear. i do them because they make sense, simply treating others in the same way I want to be treated.
Ironic that I am presumably going straight to hell, but that guy who banged the 8 year old simply confesses his sins, "finds jeezuz, and this train is bound for GLORY! Can I get an amen?
In Biblical Christianity, our motivation to do good should not be about fear of punishment or hope of reward. After accepting the gift of the payment of our sin debt, God asks us to love others as He loved us.
And if we don't, some apple eating asshole in 4004 BCE will have caused a kind, merciful and loving God to tortuure us for eternity. Tell me - after you r skin is charred to teh bone the first time, does it regenerate immediately, or does your kind loving and merciful gawd want it to fester and turn septic before the next round of his love?
Do you think that your gad watches the people he is having tortured, and is pleased that his greatest creatyion is undergoing such treatment?
All of your bullshit belief indicates absolutely no free will, an omnipotent creator that knows all things, one that knowingly creates humans that he knows he will incinerate when they die. No free will, a creator who is incredibly incompetent, creating creatures that do not meet his expectations - If he exists, I'd as soon go to hell rather than worship an incompetent and homicidal gawd, who plans on everlasting torture for me if I don't protect myself from him by worshiping him.
My hope is to descend into nothingness, and that is it. Waking up in heaven or hell would be the same unwanted situation to me.
What's so bad about wanting a reward? Do you work for free?
Curious - since religion is the source of your morality, would you be a rapist or child molester if not for your religion?
Also - do people have sex in heaven? I really enjoy sex.
And given the divorce rate of Evangelicals, It must get pretty complicated with that nookie thing. Or do you just spend all your time worshiping the guy who would torture you forever if you didn't worship him?
Well, we all know that this third hypothesis is just complete nonsense. The only valid third hypothesis is, of course, the Invisible Pink Unicorn.
Hersey!!! perhaps even apostacy! Naught for you but stale beer and STD infected strippers!
If you believe the people around you are sheep who are not thinking, dyeing your wool to be a more garish colored sheep who is also not thinking is not an improvement. In fact, it is sincere endorsement of sheep-thinking.
Explain? Because the majority of people on earth do not engage in critical thinking isn't too difficult to prove.
And you have tipped your hand - Authorities? I get my knowledge not from authorities but from science as far as possible.
And who called who sheeple? I know a lot of intelligent people who cannot think critically. "Sheeple" tends to tie in with your apparent political "Authorities" belief.
And he has to be able to think of alternate third hypotheses to not fall into the false dilemma trap (e.g. there is not only Darwinism and Biblical Creationism, there is also the Flying Spaghetti Monster).
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? .......And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us some pizza, for thine is the meatball, the noodle, and the sauce, forever and ever. R’amen.
A lot of the flat earthers I've met are really just trolling other people.
If the number of "believers" is going up then it might be that the number of critical thinkers is going up.
How does critical thinking lead one to the conclusion that the earth is flat?
Are you equating anti-science and denialism with critical thinking?
It has been known for a long time that the earth is a globe, and for a few decades now that it is an oblate spheroid. What is more, there are a lot of experiments that a group of people can undertake to determine that the earth is a spheroid, and even if not, that it is impossible to be a plane. No need to be a scientist, and no need for expensive equipment.
One simple one is the "noon at solstice" measurement. With gnomons, a group of people can measure the length of the shadow of a fixed length gnomon mounted vertically lengthwise at noon at the summer solstice at several different points.
The same experiment will measure the tilt, and when spread out in longitude as well as latitude, the results of a spherical structure lit by one source of light.
This experiment has already been done. The results? At the equator at noon on the summer solstice, the shadow is essentially vertical. The further north and south we go, the shadows of the gnomons will become longer and longer. If we include people at different longitudes they will have shadows in different directions lengthening until they are in darkness.
Simply saying "I don't believe it" is not critical thinking. It is denialism if you don't conduct the experiments to prove your alternative hypothesis.
The DST and now single Time zone proponents are like a mild form of anti-vaxxing.
I guess that is a valid way of looking at it.
I look at it differently. I have lived a majority of my life without having to deal with DST. Every time I have to deal with it (DST), I get headaches and weariness and I can never concentrate because I always have to worry about when the time is going to change again.
From my point of view, changing time is like changing reality. Fuck that. Reality is. Change yourself.
This reminds me of how many people here on slashdot shit their pants about metric versus Imperial. Stand by for the shitstorm I just started with that comment. What the issue is a marked rigidity in thinking.
Me? It is all arbitrary, and it all works, so I switch 100 percent seamlessly between Metric and Imperial. Time zones mean nothing to me - If I want to speak with someone anywhere around the world, I just look it up once, and it is committed to memory. About the only thing that is a teeny bit more weird is remembering that for significant parts of the day, places like Oz are a day ahead.
If you want a real head scratcher, imagine the world going to Universal time, and the new day starting for you say, at 9:00 in the morning - or what used to be 9:00, now 0000 hours. Or perhaps at what used to be noon, so that you have to put in 4 hours labor on one day, then 4 the next day for one local workday. your timesheet.
Despite modern conservative thought, the world is not flat. It doesn't get light and dark over the entire earth at the same universal time. And I still haven't received a well thought out plan to put the entire world on one time.
And I'm beginning to think that the rigidity of thought so many here have means that they just decide the local time and screw the rest of the world. The chaos of that is why we started time zones in the first place. But so few here seem to remember or appreciate why that happened. Perhaps if we returned to pre-civilization days, we could go back to pre-civilization timekeeping. I suspect that some think that is a good idea as well.
That doesn't stop the individual from looking at Cochran reviews and so forth to get a more balanced picture and making up their own minds. I do this whenever the media bring up a new study making some claim or other.
But it won't cause them to look either. A lot of people want to hear that sucrose is healthier than High fructose corn sugar, and that diet drinks cause heart attacks. Now they slurp their Healthy sugar Big Gulps with a clear conscience.
Peeps is peeps, and for some reason they want to think that if they only eat this, or avoid that, they will live forever - at least in their minds.
Moderation has always and remains the best advice. They won't take that advice either.
So what should one eat in order to ensure that one "keels over from a heart attack"? Why would anyone not want the end to be sudden, complete, and catastrophic? Do you plan to enjoy that malingering slow death?
You eat what you like in moderation, and hope the end comes like a thief in the night.