That system was figured out a long time before there was a US. Every city used to have somebody whose job it was to observe the sun and set the city's clock accordingly. The problem was, that effectively means you have near infinite timezones, with everybody running on solar time.
Exactly. We live on a globe, and unless we are going to submit to chaos, there has to be time zones. The DST issue is related because of changes in latitude. The variations in daylight between locations nearer the equator are much less than those the further north or south we go. That's the place where concession to daylight darkness makes some sense.
But we live on a tilty globe. And just like any map projection, no time zone light/dark cycle will be perfect. If we dump the present system, we'll just have to learn a different one with it's own set of problems.
Simply get up based on sunrise and go to bed based on sunset.
Schools should start at 1.5 hours after sunrise and get out out 7.5 hours later if the school day is 7.5 hours. No need for time zones.
Are you a flat earther?
In my work, I had to deal with time zones every day. We knew the East Coast was 3 hours ahead of the west. Since the work hours were 8-5 in most cases, it was trivial to figure out when to call. International ones were likewise trivial, other than sometimes having to stay up late or get up early.
But the concept of no time zones, everything based on local sunset sunrise times is waaaaaay too much granularity, merely substituting a workable system with thousands of different times.
it spans 5 time zones. Its kids must have even more problems.
The Chinese have figured out how to stagger school opening times. The students in Xinjiang go to class much later than students in Heilongjiang.
Apparently the Indians haven't thought of that yet.
But it isn't just school. We offices and test sites spanning over 4 time zones. Given that the workday tends to happen when it is light out, Who loses? They start at 8 and end at 5. If I'm calling out west, I have to remember that I can't call a colleague before 11.a.m. my time and he can't call me after 2 his time.
Except for one assistan I had that couldn't figure that out, and I was on an extended trip to the west coast, and he kept calling me at 0800 his time. After the fourth time of getting me up at 5 in the morning for something trite, I told him the key to his success was remembering the time zone differences.
Its just the price we pay for living on a globe - not to mention one that tilts and wobbles a bit. No matter what we come up with. Like Map projections, nothing will be perfect.
Exact opposite. You didn't read the article, did you? DST will worsen the situation. In fact, if the paper is correct, it is a strong case to abolish DST in US and other countries.
Are you in the south? People in the south tend to not like DST because their daylight hours aren'tas variable as those in mid-north latitudes. Some places like Minnesota would have their kids waiting for the school bus in pitch black during the winter, and even in Pennsylvania, during the summer, there would be 4 hours of daylight before many people get up.
The DST and now single Time zone proponents are like a mild form of anti-vaxxing. We could all go on UT, but as an Amateur radio operator, we have to, and it just makes for different complexities.
Give me a space suit and a pick ax and I'll show you how much better a human is than a machine.
Give me ten minutes and I'll tell you what is in that sedimentary rock. And if I'm right- you'll also witness the first dance performed on Mars.
Harrison Schmidt was on board Apollo 17 for a reason. He was a geologist. I'm not for certain why the manned space haters club seems to think that machines are even close to a normal human's ability. A normal human can analyze and think in real time, and an educated and trained human expert can work autonomously investigating just the right things.
But let's face it - after your dance you'd have a hundred more questions and things to investigate. Much dancing will ensue!
The science for the on-planet stuff is in no way worth the price. That's OK though. You clearly don't understand the percentage of people who went into STEM fields because of inspiration from space programs.
That would be me! In grade school during the Apollo Program, I was incredibly inspired. I set my path and stuck with it. I love the robotic science as a machine person, but the Gemini missions, and especially the Apollo 8 and 11 missions - I still get goosebumps and reinvigorated and inspired all over again when I get the opportunity to see what we've done and what we are doing.
Just this past weekend I visited Kennedy Space Center again. The Atlantis Exhibit left me speechless - again. Walking the building with the restored Saturn 5 beautiful monster horizontally mounted just above your head is about as goosebumpy an event as you are going to get - again. Nothing like seeing a real F-1 engine.
The IMAX theater had a movie, "A Beautiful Planet" narrated by Jennifer Lawrence. 3D movie of the earth from the ISS. The show stealer is Samantha Cristoforetti, an Italian Astronaut that does quite the job to be adroit, an excellent narrator herself, inspiring, and pretty adorable at the same time.
And the Bus tours take a different route each time depending on what is going on. This time we went up to Pad 39A - that launch pad. And I'm once again speechless. The place that had to be 3 miles away from the control center because that magnificent monster candle would have the destructive potential of a small atomic bomb if the unthinkable happen, so they figured 3 miles should be survivable if it went sour.
But it didn't, never had a loss. it was a good monster.
Okay, so there we have it. Inspiration in spades. The thrill never grows old. Now how about the humans in space haters give us their similar inspirational story.
Actually, science is primary. The only people that need to be constantly "inspired" are Elon Musk Cult Space Nutters.
Then we can cancel everything but earth orbiting satellites. That science stuff just gives those pesky scientists socialist ideas anyway. The crazy bastards try to use Venus and Mars as examples of the greenhouse effect, and that just gets in the way of God's work, here on earth., world without end, Amen.
We can even cancel that socialist NOAA satellite stuff, and let the government get it's forecasts from The Weather Channel, like the rest of us do............. 8^/
There's no point in sending warm wet bodies to Mars: robots prove time and time again that they do a much better job than human beings could ever hope to do, faster, safer and a lot cheaper.
You're drawing conclusions without having comparable data from both options to work with - seems a tad premature.
I keep saying it - if there isn't any point in sending humans to space or Mars, there isn't any point in sending robots. Science is nice and all, but if saving money is the criteria as the robophiles seem to have as a major argument, not sending anything at all is the winning play.
Safer and cheaper for sure, but in no way are they faster or better.
Of course faster and better. Look, it's simple: Opportunity took 15 years to explore 28 miles. Human beings are still working out a plan to leave the ground. Yeah, once you're there, it might take a few hours or days to do the same job, but you gotta get there first. And by the time human beings are finally ready to undertake the journey, robots will have become as versatile and clever as people on Mars - probably more so in fact, as robots aren't bound to Earth-specific bodily contraints.
If we don't send anything there at all, the work is already done. And for free!
There's no point in sending warm wet bodies to Mars: robots prove time and time again that they do a much better job than human beings could ever hope to do, faster, safer and a lot cheaper.
Ah, but here's the rub - if we are never going to extend beyond the earth, if it is forbidden territory, there is absolutely no reason to send probes either. Why would we care what is on Mars - Why would we care if there is life? We are here, and Mars is there - leave it there and save even more money by not bothering with it.
Me? I'me a real space slut. I support no limits on a budget - send multiple robots to all the planets every year. Awesome!
But if there is no manned presence, I support only earth orbiting satellites, and a budget of zero for anything else.And I'd make certain anyone I voted for did the same. There is no reason other than giving nerds like me data to look at. But there are plenty of other sciency things to do that don't involve rocketry and space robots.
Every other day I have mod points.. Except today. Wish I could Mod you up.
And by the way, for those who might think that what I wrote is some misogynistic screed, this is a problem as noted by women.
Somewhere along the line, the "I can have it all" commandment has morphed into "I have no boundaries - not biology or physics - what I wish cannot be denied me!".
Odd too - my wife and I chose the have a child early, then she hit the afterburners on her career. It worked too, as she paced me in earnings.
She was paid much more than the owner.
And when she interviewed for her career job, she told the owner of the business "I know you aren't allowed to ask this question, but I'm not having any more children, and have the medical records to prove it."
Uh-oh. What will Slashdot do now? Pai made a statement that the hive mind agrees with. The cognitive dissonance will be terrible.
Meh, The Republican plan will be for consumers to pay 50 dollars extra to get rid of Robocalls, Trump will refuse to enact it unless we get a Canadian Wall, and arrest Hellery.
Do you really think that putting a highly addictive and harmful product into the hands of kids is acceptable?
Maybe I am missing something here... but I was under the impression that people under 18 years of age can't buy vaping materials legally. If that is the case, we are no more putting these things into the hands of kids than we are putting alcohol into the hands of kids.
Or are you referring to something else here?
He's pulling out the old if you aren't A, you must be B shaming tactic. I never said Anywhere that I was in favor of giving kids nicotine or tobacco. Or ethanol based adult beverages.
Bit I'm also a pragmatic. Trying to keep vaping materials out of kid's hands is something you attempt to do, but you won't ever actually succeed.
Especially since we can simply make the devices. And whereas the hand wringers and general tobacco haters appear to want an extension of the war on drugs, it simply isn't going to work. Kids are in many ways stupid, but in many ways very resourceful, and will just take this as a challenge.
In what legal realm would a child be able to legally buy or use a vaper?
Is your govt retarded, ignorant or totally under the power of lobbyists that this would even be conceivable?
They aren't legal for kids to buy. The hand wringing crowd is just going kookoo. The anti-tobacco crowd is pissed that some folks have found a way around thier favorite hate target. Occam's razor makes for the simplest answer being most likely the correct one.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...
Not an anecdote in the bunch. Caffeine is a psychoactive substance, and excessive consumption can be a real problem. Deal with it.
While you're at it, care to refute climate change with a picture of snow on your lawn?
Nope, because the relationship between the composition of an atmosphere and the atmosphere's energy retention characteristics is irrefutable.
Claims that there is no relationship between caffeine consumption and panic attacks, well now that's the anti-science viewpoint, my dear coward.
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...Minnesota would have their kids waiting for the school bus in pitch black during the winter...
TIL that Minnesota apparently doesn't have street lamps.
Tonight you learn that not every road everywhere, anywhere has street lamps.
It...don't...fucking....matter!
It's all being given away for free, and the only way to keep it from being given away for free is to not use the internet.
That is all.
That system was figured out a long time before there was a US. Every city used to have somebody whose job it was to observe the sun and set the city's clock accordingly. The problem was, that effectively means you have near infinite timezones, with everybody running on solar time.
Exactly. We live on a globe, and unless we are going to submit to chaos, there has to be time zones. The DST issue is related because of changes in latitude. The variations in daylight between locations nearer the equator are much less than those the further north or south we go. That's the place where concession to daylight darkness makes some sense.
But we live on a tilty globe. And just like any map projection, no time zone light/dark cycle will be perfect. If we dump the present system, we'll just have to learn a different one with it's own set of problems.
Simply get up based on sunrise and go to bed based on sunset.
Schools should start at 1.5 hours after sunrise and get out out 7.5 hours later if the school day is 7.5 hours. No need for time zones.
Are you a flat earther?
In my work, I had to deal with time zones every day. We knew the East Coast was 3 hours ahead of the west. Since the work hours were 8-5 in most cases, it was trivial to figure out when to call. International ones were likewise trivial, other than sometimes having to stay up late or get up early.
But the concept of no time zones, everything based on local sunset sunrise times is waaaaaay too much granularity, merely substituting a workable system with thousands of different times.
it spans 5 time zones. Its kids must have even more problems.
The Chinese have figured out how to stagger school opening times. The students in Xinjiang go to class much later than students in Heilongjiang.
Apparently the Indians haven't thought of that yet.
But it isn't just school. We offices and test sites spanning over 4 time zones. Given that the workday tends to happen when it is light out, Who loses? They start at 8 and end at 5. If I'm calling out west, I have to remember that I can't call a colleague before 11 .a.m. my time and he can't call me after 2 his time.
Except for one assistan I had that couldn't figure that out, and I was on an extended trip to the west coast, and he kept calling me at 0800 his time. After the fourth time of getting me up at 5 in the morning for something trite, I told him the key to his success was remembering the time zone differences. Its just the price we pay for living on a globe - not to mention one that tilts and wobbles a bit. No matter what we come up with. Like Map projections, nothing will be perfect.
Exact opposite. You didn't read the article, did you? DST will worsen the situation. In fact, if the paper is correct, it is a strong case to abolish DST in US and other countries.
Are you in the south? People in the south tend to not like DST because their daylight hours aren'tas variable as those in mid-north latitudes. Some places like Minnesota would have their kids waiting for the school bus in pitch black during the winter, and even in Pennsylvania, during the summer, there would be 4 hours of daylight before many people get up.
The DST and now single Time zone proponents are like a mild form of anti-vaxxing. We could all go on UT, but as an Amateur radio operator, we have to, and it just makes for different complexities.
A country can try to solve more than one issue at once.
Especially when the solution is obvious: Just start the school day an hour later in the west.
That's just a different time zone then. Only you don't call it a different time zone.
Give me a space suit and a pick ax and I'll show you how much better a human is than a machine.
Give me ten minutes and I'll tell you what is in that sedimentary rock. And if I'm right- you'll also witness the first dance performed on Mars.
Harrison Schmidt was on board Apollo 17 for a reason. He was a geologist. I'm not for certain why the manned space haters club seems to think that machines are even close to a normal human's ability. A normal human can analyze and think in real time, and an educated and trained human expert can work autonomously investigating just the right things.
But let's face it - after your dance you'd have a hundred more questions and things to investigate. Much dancing will ensue!
Deep space spaceflight, and manned spaceflight, is really about applied politics. It's just the reality of it.
Everything is about politics. And the politics work hella better if people are inspired.
The science for the on-planet stuff is in no way worth the price. That's OK though. You clearly don't understand the percentage of people who went into STEM fields because of inspiration from space programs.
That would be me! In grade school during the Apollo Program, I was incredibly inspired. I set my path and stuck with it. I love the robotic science as a machine person, but the Gemini missions, and especially the Apollo 8 and 11 missions - I still get goosebumps and reinvigorated and inspired all over again when I get the opportunity to see what we've done and what we are doing.
Just this past weekend I visited Kennedy Space Center again. The Atlantis Exhibit left me speechless - again. Walking the building with the restored Saturn 5 beautiful monster horizontally mounted just above your head is about as goosebumpy an event as you are going to get - again. Nothing like seeing a real F-1 engine.
The IMAX theater had a movie, "A Beautiful Planet" narrated by Jennifer Lawrence. 3D movie of the earth from the ISS. The show stealer is Samantha Cristoforetti, an Italian Astronaut that does quite the job to be adroit, an excellent narrator herself, inspiring, and pretty adorable at the same time.
And the Bus tours take a different route each time depending on what is going on. This time we went up to Pad 39A - that launch pad . And I'm once again speechless. The place that had to be 3 miles away from the control center because that magnificent monster candle would have the destructive potential of a small atomic bomb if the unthinkable happen, so they figured 3 miles should be survivable if it went sour.
But it didn't, never had a loss. it was a good monster.
Okay, so there we have it. Inspiration in spades. The thrill never grows old. Now how about the humans in space haters give us their similar inspirational story.
Actually, science is primary. The only people that need to be constantly "inspired" are Elon Musk Cult Space Nutters.
Then we can cancel everything but earth orbiting satellites. That science stuff just gives those pesky scientists socialist ideas anyway. The crazy bastards try to use Venus and Mars as examples of the greenhouse effect, and that just gets in the way of God's work, here on earth., world without end, Amen.
We can even cancel that socialist NOAA satellite stuff, and let the government get it's forecasts from The Weather Channel, like the rest of us do............. 8^/
There's no point in sending warm wet bodies to Mars: robots prove time and time again that they do a much better job than human beings could ever hope to do, faster, safer and a lot cheaper.
You're drawing conclusions without having comparable data from both options to work with - seems a tad premature.
I keep saying it - if there isn't any point in sending humans to space or Mars, there isn't any point in sending robots. Science is nice and all, but if saving money is the criteria as the robophiles seem to have as a major argument, not sending anything at all is the winning play.
Safer and cheaper for sure, but in no way are they faster or better.
Of course faster and better. Look, it's simple: Opportunity took 15 years to explore 28 miles. Human beings are still working out a plan to leave the ground. Yeah, once you're there, it might take a few hours or days to do the same job, but you gotta get there first. And by the time human beings are finally ready to undertake the journey, robots will have become as versatile and clever as people on Mars - probably more so in fact, as robots aren't bound to Earth-specific bodily contraints.
If we don't send anything there at all, the work is already done. And for free!
Robots.
There's no point in sending warm wet bodies to Mars: robots prove time and time again that they do a much better job than human beings could ever hope to do, faster, safer and a lot cheaper.
Ah, but here's the rub - if we are never going to extend beyond the earth, if it is forbidden territory, there is absolutely no reason to send probes either. Why would we care what is on Mars - Why would we care if there is life? We are here, and Mars is there - leave it there and save even more money by not bothering with it.
Me? I'me a real space slut. I support no limits on a budget - send multiple robots to all the planets every year. Awesome!
But if there is no manned presence, I support only earth orbiting satellites, and a budget of zero for anything else.And I'd make certain anyone I voted for did the same. There is no reason other than giving nerds like me data to look at. But there are plenty of other sciency things to do that don't involve rocketry and space robots.
xkcd already has a new comic in remembrance of Opportunity. This new one makes me smile wistfully, rather than wanting to cry.
Ah, I see you are a machine person. I too am a machine person.
Ah, you're thinking of putting the wall on the Canadian side to keep the US out. Fair enough.
I knew as soon as I posted it that Molson was a lame choice. If I drink Canadian beer, It's Maudite - even if it comes from Quebec.
How about a wall of Resin IPA from Sixpoint? If you haven't tried that (and like IPA) I highly recommend it: https://sixpoint.com/beers/res...
Every other day I have mod points.. Except today. Wish I could Mod you up.
And by the way, for those who might think that what I wrote is some misogynistic screed, this is a problem as noted by women.
Somewhere along the line, the "I can have it all" commandment has morphed into "I have no boundaries - not biology or physics - what I wish cannot be denied me!".
Odd too - my wife and I chose the have a child early, then she hit the afterburners on her career. It worked too, as she paced me in earnings. She was paid much more than the owner.
And when she interviewed for her career job, she told the owner of the business "I know you aren't allowed to ask this question, but I'm not having any more children, and have the medical records to prove it."
Alpha chicks on afterburners, amirite?
So if I get a prescription for pain
If your doctor is also a sadist, this can happen.
Hmmm, looks like I'm writing in Amish today!
We need a Canadian wall! Made of ice and 100 yards tall! It's the only way to keep the White Walkers out,
Could we make it of Molson?
Uh-oh. What will Slashdot do now? Pai made a statement that the hive mind agrees with. The cognitive dissonance will be terrible.
Meh, The Republican plan will be for consumers to pay 50 dollars extra to get rid of Robocalls, Trump will refuse to enact it unless we get a Canadian Wall, and arrest Hellery.
Do you really think that putting a highly addictive and harmful product into the hands of kids is acceptable?
Maybe I am missing something here... but I was under the impression that people under 18 years of age can't buy vaping materials legally. If that is the case, we are no more putting these things into the hands of kids than we are putting alcohol into the hands of kids.
Or are you referring to something else here?
He's pulling out the old if you aren't A, you must be B shaming tactic. I never said Anywhere that I was in favor of giving kids nicotine or tobacco. Or ethanol based adult beverages.
Bit I'm also a pragmatic. Trying to keep vaping materials out of kid's hands is something you attempt to do, but you won't ever actually succeed.
Especially since we can simply make the devices. And whereas the hand wringers and general tobacco haters appear to want an extension of the war on drugs, it simply isn't going to work. Kids are in many ways stupid, but in many ways very resourceful, and will just take this as a challenge.
In what legal realm would a child be able to legally buy or use a vaper?
Is your govt retarded, ignorant or totally under the power of lobbyists that this would even be conceivable?
They aren't legal for kids to buy. The hand wringing crowd is just going kookoo. The anti-tobacco crowd is pissed that some folks have found a way around thier favorite hate target. Occam's razor makes for the simplest answer being most likely the correct one.
Decades of cross-breeding and selecting for higher THC content.
So if I get a prescription for pain, I'm going to get really baked, I guess.
The REAL burning question is:
is the strawman smokeable?
For me, the burning question (I see what you did there) is why whacky tabacky looks so much different today then when I was growing up.
I wondered how far we'd get into t6his before someone pulled the "I have an anecdote that refutes your scientific survey" bullshit.
I wondere how far we'd get into this until a coward showed up strutting like a cock-a-whoop, thinking he'd scored the game winning touchdown.
Anecdotes? If you were capable of googling you could find that it's real.
https://www.webmd.com/balance/...
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/why-we-worry/201805/espresso-stress-o-coffee-anxiety-and-panic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... Not an anecdote in the bunch. Caffeine is a psychoactive substance, and excessive consumption can be a real problem. Deal with it.
While you're at it, care to refute climate change with a picture of snow on your lawn?
Nope, because the relationship between the composition of an atmosphere and the atmosphere's energy retention characteristics is irrefutable.
Claims that there is no relationship between caffeine consumption and panic attacks, well now that's the anti-science viewpoint, my dear coward.